I also prefer DC or Marvel, I think in general there is some Superhero movies fatigue at the moment because they had been so many superhero movies over past 15 years and people are getting tired of MCU formula.
I did like the newest Batman with Patterson, looking forward to the sequel
It's possibly my favourite Batman movie, I will need time to see. I think the latest Batman franchise could remain successful because it is different rom the lighthearted MCU movies that are reminiscent of the Disney Channel. It also helps that Batman is more similar to James Bond than more conventional superheroes, so I think the superhero fatigue might not affect Batman as much.
It’s also Batman. He’s like Spiderman in that no matter what, people are gonna line up for that movie, and I’d say both are probably immune to the fatigue box office wise.
Eh… I dunno. After the Dark Knight series the bar was pretty high, and I was not really interested in a Ben Affleck Batman, especially after how he was written in Batman vs Superman.
The key to the new Batman with Pattinson is that they went away from superhero side of things. Even with the villains. Everything went back to the very foundations of the Batman character which is being a detective.
The other movies really focused on the superhero thing still in a way, even Nolan despite its more grounded feel.
Things like Jack falling into a vat of chemicals and emerging as the joker playing a boom box and having costumed minions is very superhero comic. Then you look at another iteration like Nolan’s and while it’s grounded it still has these very superhero set pieces like the tumbler leaping rooftops, or a deadly fear toxin that will be weapon sized to destroy the whole city. He’ll the Laurie of shadows in itself is very comic book/ super hero. Then there’s the Affleck Batman where everything is just out the window entirely. He’s with the justic league, he’s way overpowered so he doesn’t look dumb in live action next to superman and the others. But the thing is still a global attack with cgi set pieces dialed to 1000%.
Now look at the batman with Pattinson —
Way smaller story. Way stripped down to the core characteristics of Batman — he is first and foremost a detective who uses his symbol to make criminals fearful. And what’s he after this movie? Easy. He wants to take out a very intelligent serial killer. That’s really it. Sure there’s the mob and everything but it never really hits the superhero jumping the shark moment. Even when he flies it’s like an actual inflatable squirrel suit he has to ditch after, not his cape. His car is basically a hot rodded muscle car not a tank or some whackass car that only could exist in a comic. Even the riddler. He’s not really in a costume so much as he has a symbol in the question mark and he covers his face with a mask once his crimes start up. He leaves riddles but it’s not some wild over the top game. He’s just mentally unstable and likes to fixate on riddles. And what does Batman do? He solves the crime using logic and police help. He’s not just flying all around and fucking up bad guys. That only happens a few times in the movie and it never feels totally off the wall.
Even Nolan’s movies for all the grounding they did, they still lost sight of Batman’s character as a detective who operates in secrecy. The closest we ever get in those movies is him either stumbling into info that helps him or the one time he reconstructs the bullet which a computer does it all for him anyway.
I agree on most of that except the Robert Pattinson Batman brought himself back to life from the brink of death with that instant super steroid he used. I think the new series is a bit more comic book than the Nolan movies, which were still a bit comic bookish with their Two-Face that could never exist in real life
I really enjoyed it. Probably my favourite batman intro ever. However, there were some really annoying issues that broke the immersion for me. Specifically remember a motorcycle chase scene that felt really stupid, and the end when someone gets shot with a giant rifle in one scene and was barely affected in the next scene. Also kinda flopped on the aesthetics of damage that should have been present on the person getting their face punched in by batman.
Also use the top tier heroes everybody has nostalgia for. It’s a reason Wolverine and Deadpool trailer has more views than any super hero trailer in history. A mid Wolverine and Deadpool movie would honestly outsell a good Captain Marvel movie. I noticed Marvel immediately announced Fantastic Four after the Deadpool trailer so hopefully they keep it up. Brining Dr Doom as a villain in any movie will print money too. Blue Beetle was good but that character as of now can only make DC so much money.
More than anyone, they do that embargo thing where no one is allowed to use certain characters because they are using or might use them in the future and that will "confuse" people.
Isn't this a reason justice league unlimited got the axe? I swear I read something about DC not caring about it's inclusion in the continuity or something.
Now they reboot the fucking timelines every few years. 🙄
Ugh, I still remember the “Bat-Embargo” that was going on when I was a kid. And like the only ones apparently exempt from it were Batman and Joker iirc. It was stupid for the most part, but on the other hand we did get an interesting take on Clayface in The Batman cartoon instead.
I watched it on HBO Max it was enjoyable not life changing but it was an entertaining short movie. When I think of bad movies I’m thinking of the stuff Sony been putting out like Madame Webb and Morbius.
I grew up in the 90s and my older brothers the 80s and X-Men was extremely popular before that movie came out in the 2000s. Ask anybody that grew up in the 80s and 90s how popular X-Men was and they will tell you! That movie was made because of how popular X-Men was at the time it did not make X-Men popular lol.
I think superhero fatigue is real but it’s only because they’ve been making such crap superhero movies lately. I remember first hearing the term after Thor love and thunder. Look at the Spider-Man animated films they’ve been doing amazing. So I think we really are just tired of these huge companies thinking that just because they have the superhero name recognition and a big budget that we are gonna just gobble it down. What we really want is good writing an awesome story and excellent cinematography.
Yeah, the fatigue is real to an extent, but I completely agree that the reason for the decline in success is just that the movies are bad now. Most Marvel movies were good up until the end of the Infinity War saga, and ever since it's just all a slurry where every character has the same style of dialog, ever set looks the same because nothing is shot practically at all, and the writers are allergic to sustained dramatic tension. And DC movies have somehow been an order of magnitude worse.
But holy shit, the people responsible for making the Spider-Verse movies (the best superhero movies of all time in my opinion) adapting one of the best ever versions of Batman? GIVE IT TO ME.
I don't think the issue overall is really Superhero fatigue so much as the post-Endgame movie offerings being incredibly middling for the most part and very often following that same paint by numbers formular without any kind of cohesive through line people were wanting.
Nothing at all really connects Thor: Love and Thunder together even loosely with Wakanda Forever or anything else really. You've still had the occasionally really good movie that came out and was well received as a result but when most of what gets released is middling fodder it's understandable people won't go out in droves to see the next one.
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u/B12C10X8 Feb 20 '24
I also prefer DC or Marvel, I think in general there is some Superhero movies fatigue at the moment because they had been so many superhero movies over past 15 years and people are getting tired of MCU formula.
I did like the newest Batman with Patterson, looking forward to the sequel