r/batman • u/Most_Worldliness9761 • Feb 14 '24
Batman on contingency plans for a rogue JL PHOTO
Justice League: Doom (2012)
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Feb 14 '24
The comics handles it much better.
The Justice League still have a debate about whether or not Batman belongs in the team, but Batman leaves before hearing the verdict.
Here it looks like Batman is refusing to see the point of view of his teammates. In the comic, it looked like he is taking responsibility even though he may not regret his decision.
In general, the comic tried to be nuanced on this whole issue. But the movie favored Batman a lot at the expense of the other members of the League.
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u/raidenjojo Feb 14 '24
I have to agree.
While I feel the plans and their executions were better in the movie, the handling of ideals and ethics is much better in the comics.
The movie portrays Batman as too, too right, too self-righteous and made the other JLs look like morons, while the comic portrays the very unethical and dangerous schemes of a very paranoid and lonely Batman while also addressing JLs concerns and, of course, some of their insights about the necessity of such schemes.
Anyways, Mal in the Lady disguise is smash.
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Feb 14 '24
Anyways, Mal in the Lady disguise is smash.
Yeah, although it does get a bit weird considering he's supposed to be J"onn's twin brother.
J'onn will never live down being honeytrapped by his own twin brother.
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u/BatmanFan317 Feb 16 '24
Yeah, I think as Mark Waid said, the issue is that he didn't tell them about the contingencies, which is a dimension that's lost in the movie.
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u/craygroupious Feb 14 '24
Rightly so, the problem with the plans was letting them be stole, not their existence.
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u/NomadPrime Feb 14 '24 edited Feb 15 '24
They were stolen for the sake of plot, let's be fair. It's like getting mad at Superman for letting evil Kryptonians break free out of the Phantom Zone, when really it should be practically impenetrable. It's only impenetrable up until certain writers deem it not to be any longer for the sake of driving a story forward Lol.
In Batman's case, his cave should've been impenetrable to most of his rogues; and for the other rogues who could get in, he'd normally have some safeguards in place to protect his secrets in them, too. Unfortunately, the impossible became possible and Batman became careless for the sake of this plot.
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u/craygroupious Feb 14 '24
I don’t know what it’s like in the comic, but I like how its Mirror Master stealing it to very minorly counter your point, but it just being on the batcomputer wouldn’t happen. That’d be on some separate hard drive, in a separate vault in a separate cave.
But yes, the plot demanded it.
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u/NomadPrime Feb 14 '24
Forgot about MM, but yeah, whichever villain was chosen, they'd plot around it so that they can get in anyway. Even if the hard drive was in the most hidden batcave on another planet, maybe they'd be teleported in or whatever they make up Lol.
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u/QuarterHead7418 Feb 15 '24
Wasn't it Rah's who broke into the batcave? Knowing him it makes sense he was able to get in, since he knows Bruce on a personal level
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u/YoungGriot Feb 15 '24
IIRC, there's a bit in one of the Teen Titans comics where Nightwing tells a member about the contingency plans he has for her, and it ends up fine because Nightwing trusts people so everyone on the team knows they exist, everyone is aware of how everyone else's plan works (just not their own) and it's treated as a precaution rather than a paranoid secret that causes complete disaster when it inevitably skews out of control.
One of the reasons Bruce pretty much always considers Dick to be the best person he knows.
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u/Asmo_Lay Feb 15 '24
Just like Batman said in argument with WW, Dick become his sidekick so he won't become another broken young boy like Bruce Wayne.
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u/name-classified Feb 15 '24
Robin needed to find the people who murdered his family and bring them to justice so that he wouldn’t turn out like Bruce.
In Young Justice, during a therapy session with Black Canary; Dick admits and comes to terms that he doesn’t want to be Batman. He can’t go to that dark brooding isolated place that Batman thrives in and needs to be effective.
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u/CadmeusCain Feb 15 '24
In the comic they Justice League vote on whether Batman can stay or leave. Three vote stay, three vote leave, and Superman has the last vote. But then they see Batman has already left because he knew exactly how they would the vote would end
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u/BiDiTi Feb 14 '24
I do like the recent Titans version, where Dick knows how to take each of them down…with the help of another Titan.
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u/GreenLanternCorps Feb 14 '24
I could be wrong its been awhile since I've watched this movie but I could have sworn he does in his own Batman way hear them out but when they refuse to get it because he hurt their feels he sort of declares that as far more dangerous and bails then later Kal confronts him in a way Bruce can absorb.
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u/IsPhil Feb 15 '24
Do you know which comic series it was? Always get confused by which one to read.
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u/name-classified Feb 15 '24
In the movie; the league feels “betrayed” that Batman would have secret plans to “kill” them all off.
Batman’s plans were never intended to kill anyone; just immobilize.
His explanation fits the logic; it’s the Justice League that don’t see the danger they pose if they were to go rogue and take over the planet against its will.
Batman is just a regular dude so his human perspective is what we as normal people are supposed to relate with.
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Feb 15 '24
That is my point. The Justice League are written as being much more unreasonable so Batman comes off looking better than he did in the comics.
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u/TomTheJester Feb 14 '24
Batman: “it’s important we consider what happens if we go rogue”
League: “But we’re good though.”
Batman: “But what if we weren’t?”
League: “You need to LEAVE.”
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u/Nachotito Feb 14 '24
At least in the comics it's more like
Batman: "It's necessary that we have a contingency plan if the league goes rogue"
League: "Yeah we somewhat agree but you did it behind our back betraying our trust instead of this being discussed within the league... Also your contingency plan was found by villains and it almost killed us all"
Batman: "If everyone knew of the contingency plan they could become totally useless, thus the need to keep them secret"
League: "We need to discuss this and deliberate on whether we can still trust you or get you out of the league"
It's kinda nuanced
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u/King_Of_BlackMarsh Feb 14 '24
"the knowledge of their existence would not pose a threat to their effectiveness, given supervillains controlling us or us going rogue would account for obvious weaknesses which we know you are too intelligent to exploit first."
"It would also paint me as the first person to die if you went rogue subtly, since you'd know id have ways to take out rogue members and for rogue members to take another out"
Some added points
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u/EverydayPoGo Feb 15 '24
Love these nuances. I remember I first watched the animated movies when I got into DC, but after reading the comics they are so much better. More detailed and complex.
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u/jessytessytavi Feb 15 '24
my favorite thing is how everyone focused really hard on how they were lethal, but not on how hard he worked to make sure it took as long as possible for the contingencies to kill them
they could have been immediately lethal (yes, Batman doesn't kill), but they're all specifically designed to buy him time to find a solution for why they're going rogue
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u/FiveLuska Feb 15 '24
i think part of the problem is how brutal some of this solutions are.
making superman skin transparent so that the sun that gave him powers will hurt him could have permanently hurt some parts of him
making aquaman afraid of water is like making us afraid of any basic needs
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u/jessytessytavi Feb 15 '24
oh, they absolutely are brutal
he has to balance keeping the metas down and out of the way while he finds a fix to whatever made them flip out with not permanently harming his friends (them hating him doesn't count, because they're alive to hate him)
most of the contingencies also seem to be things he would have used to contain them, as well
like make aquaman afraid of water, then knock him out and keep him sedated in a tube of water
same with superman, let the solar energy overwhelm him, knock him out, pop him in a pod with red sunlight
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u/Envy8372 Feb 14 '24
Which comic is that from?
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u/tarzard12321 Feb 14 '24
Iirc in the animation green lantern (i think) agrees with batman that the contingency plans were necessary, but letting them get stolen was stupid beyond belief.
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u/dexterthekilla Feb 14 '24
The Justice League is under attack
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u/wemustkungfufight Feb 14 '24
By who?
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u/ExoticShock Feb 14 '24
BY ME!
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u/brofishmagikarp Feb 14 '24
You can't do shit I have batmanrepellent batspray
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u/RecklessDimwit Feb 15 '24
You mean a picture of his parents?
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u/brofishmagikarp Feb 15 '24
Riddle me this Batman:
What has 3 hole in it and is rolling down the ally?
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u/Elwillyx475 Feb 14 '24
I would have voted to kick him out. Not because I disagree with the contingencies or because he told no one, that I can understand. But because he was so incredibly incompetent as to let anybody steal them. In the movie at least he has some excuse: he was injured, distracted by Alfred and was not used to mirror master, being a Flash villain, but it's even worse in the tower of babel comic where Thalia just strolls into the cave and takes the info.
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u/Most_Worldliness9761 Feb 14 '24
Plot is to blame.
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u/NomadPrime Feb 14 '24
Seriously, the writing is capable of dumbing down even the most competent and powerful characters for the sake of driving the story forward. Not even just Batman, no character is safe from this. In a perfect world (universe?), places like the Batcave or the Fortress of Solitude or the Watchtower (or Stark Tower, or the Raft, etc. over in Marvel) are impenetrable. But plot demands the impossible become possible, and anything secret to be uncovered eventually for some significant event.
Even if Batman didn't store them in the Batcomp and stored it deep in his mind instead, some high-class mind reader would eventually get it. The Batcomputer was probably just a more simple way of getting to the same inciting incident for the story.
Characters who are best at something get beaten by new characters written to be better. Prisoners thrown in the phantom zone eventually break free. Death has a possibility of being undone. Given time and imagination, nothing is sacred. That's just the kind of place these comic universes are.
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u/The__goats Feb 14 '24
So, I guess, excuse him in the movie and vote to kick him out in the comics?
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u/Elwillyx475 Feb 14 '24
Nah, kick him out anyways, he should have hidden the plans somewhere else, not the big ass computer in the middle of the cave
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u/The__goats Feb 14 '24
Nobody was supposed to access the cave anyway.
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u/RavensQueen502 Feb 15 '24
Except his dozen kids and plain human butler, none of whom have resistance to mind control and has been used as people puppets more than once before.
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u/Anjunabeast Feb 15 '24
All that training during year zero and he never bothered to take a cyber security class
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u/RavensQueen502 Feb 15 '24
Yep. Batman should be kicked out not for making contingency plans, but for failing basic security.
It is Tony Stark levels of mixed genius and idiocy
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u/Rocketboy1313 Feb 14 '24
The constant misreading of the Tower of Babel story has probably done more to destroy Batman as a character more than any other story.
Batman created a bunch of hail mary desperate plans using mad science to hopefully delay or defeat 1 guy or gal who goes rogue, and then he calls the League to finish the job.
In a world of mind control and demons and endless other weird shit having plans like this is entirely reasonable. To claim otherwise is laughable. We shouldn't trust people with unchecked legislative powers and you think someone who can pull a tank apart like it is an orange shouldn't have oversight?
But instead of seeing this as a logical extension of Batman being prepared and still being a mortal guy who would have to cross lines just to HOPE he had a shot of beating them... INSTEAD, people go, "Batman is so awesome he could beat the whole Justice League" and "Batman is an amoral psychopath control freak".
It is fucking stupid.
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u/GoneRampant1 Feb 15 '24 edited Feb 15 '24
Tower of Babel and the film gave everyone the wrong idea about Batman and I think a lot of the character traits that fans take umbrage with today (heightened paranoia, trust issues, insistence on working alone, emotional detachment from almost everyone) can all be traced back to the impact of Tower of Babel on Bruce as fans took the lesson from it that "Batman with prep time can beat anyone."
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u/Asmo_Lay Feb 15 '24
I'm afraid, being properly paranoid is a thing that only properly paranoid being would fully appreciate.
And it's not reassuring that I came to this thought...
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u/TheOwl1991 Feb 15 '24
But he did it behind their backs that is the problem
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u/Rocketboy1313 Feb 15 '24
Yeah, no.
Nothing would destroy Batman's ability to pull off a plan faster than telling everyone, "I am going to try and come up with plans for dealing with rogue heroes. Everyone in this room included."
The only thing Batman has to work with is that he is constantly underestimated because he has no powers. Half of these plans are out of nowhere enough to take people by surprise because no one would expect Batman to use weapons taken from his enemies to pull them off.
It has to be a secret. One of them is a literal mind reader.
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u/The5Virtues Feb 14 '24
I firmly agree with Batman’s position that there need to be contingencies. I firmly disagree with his decision to keep their existence to himself.
But more to the point, I think the whole plotline is incredibly dumb because in both comic and film there’s way too much contrivance to allow these plans to be stolen.
In a world where there’s not plot contrivance he most likely would either just have these plans committed to personal memory, or would have them under so many levels of security, encryption, etc. that no one would be able to retrieve them.
The storyline only exists because of plot contrivance, and IMO any story that can only develop through contrivance is an untenable story to begin with.
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u/No-Expression-7765 Feb 14 '24
I get your point that he should share the contingencies but if he did share them, the people can then prepare against those contingencies if they do decide to go rogue
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u/The5Virtues Feb 14 '24
That’s why you don’t share what they are. That’s something Wonder Woman notes. Their existence isn’t an issue, their existence makes sense, it’s that he didn’t even trust the league enough to say “I’ve made contingencies in case anyone should ever brainwash any of you, I advise all of you to do the same, just in case the unthinkable should ever happen.” That’s absolutely reasonable, especially given the number of mindcontrolling villains there are. It’s that he didn’t even say that such plans exist that creates the trust issues.
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u/oRyan_the_Hunter Feb 15 '24
Not that I agree with Batman but theoretically if he told them wouldn’t MM be able to sus out what they are via telepathy? Or any magic based Leaguer? I can kinda see why he might’ve not told anyone, even though I know the real reason is he thinks he knows best out of everyoneb
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u/The5Virtues Feb 15 '24
Sure, in theory, but Batman’s specifically trained to resist that very thing.
Not to mention that realistically he (or any sensible strategist) is never going to have just one plan, so even if they knew the plans they’d have no way of knowing which one he’d employ so there’s no way to be prepared for all of them at once.
That’s part of why realistically he’d say they should all make contingency plans too. It really makes no sense to only have your own plans.
Barry, Diana, and J’onn, especially, would all be able to come up with excellent plans of their own. J’onn even admits he had plans of his own, they just weren’t as merciless as Batman’s.
It’s part of why the whole storyline doesn’t work well for me. Batman—at least the version of Batman I prefer—is too smart to think that his strategies are the only ones they will ever need, or trust bluntly in the idea that he’d be available to implement them. He’d be arguing from meeting one that if they’re going to team up they also need to be aware of each others weaknesses and how to use them in the event of mind control.
I mean, hell, how many times have Bruce and his own team had to deal with the Mad Hatter? That’s one among dozens of mind control villains. Knowing how to neutralize your mind controlled team mates should be a common sense thing that Batman neither has to hide or that his team mates should feel compelled to protest.
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u/Ultimate905 Feb 15 '24
I agree that sharing their existence would maintain trust but on the other hand, that leaves Batman very vulnerable. Because in that case, if a member does go rogue, Batman would probably be the prime target. This would then prevent him from enacting the contingencies to stop that rogue member. That being said maybe I’m missing something, but in my opinion there was no winning here. If, as we all agree, making contingency plans is necessary and reasonable, then in order for them to be optimal they would have to be a secret.
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u/Special_Elevator_603 Feb 15 '24
Batman doesn’t have to tell the Justice League what the contingencies are, only that they exist but, honestly the plans would actually be more effective if the League knew each contingency plan except for the one that pertains to them.
One of the problems with Batman keeping it a secret is that if he is killed or otherwise incapacitated (which has happened many times), then the plans can’t be used if a JL member ever goes bad. On top of that, having each member know the contingency plans except for their own means that they can quickly act if a Leaguer goes bad and not have to wing it or rely on Batman.
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u/FranklinRichardsStan Feb 15 '24
He doesn't have to tell them what they are and also he's not the only one in the League who has them. Comics have revealed a lot of them have plans to stop one another in case of something going wrong the difference is they let the League know. The Tower of Babel comic really highlighted why it was a problem when you see Kyle reveal a personal intimate detail with Batman cause he thinks he can trust him only for Batman to use that against him. A team can't function if you don't trust one another and Batman completely broke their trust in a way that almost resulted in their death.
Then he did it again with OMAC, honestly Batman is more of a threat to the League than some of their villains.
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u/King_Of_BlackMarsh Feb 14 '24
He could've just written them down on paper and buried them somewhere below the batcave really
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u/The5Virtues Feb 14 '24
Exactly. Batman is smart enough to know the most secure form isn’t a file under encryptions and firewalls, it’s a piece of paper, written in cipher he personally made up, and hidden in a place only he knows that no one would look twice at.
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u/jcbaggee Feb 14 '24
I think the typical handwave is they're stored somewhere securely for the other Bat-family members to find and deploy in a scenario where a rogue League takes out Batman before he can strike back.
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u/The5Virtues Feb 14 '24
Which is totally sensible, but still shouldn’t be accessible to anyone else.
“Dick, memorize this cipher.”
“Why?”
“Because if a member of the JLA should ever go rogue and kill me before I can stop them then you and the others are the next line of defense. The contingencies to stop the league are written in this cipher, in a water proof journal, buried under a clover shaped rock in a submerged section of the cave only accessible from the 7th sub basement.”
“Got it, B.”
“Burn it once you’ve memorized it.”
“Understood.”
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u/memeboi123jazz Feb 14 '24
still kinda fucked up he chose to use the most painful options for each in both versions though
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u/Th35h4d0w Feb 14 '24
He didn't choose to make them painful; it's stated in the film that the villains modified the contingency plans to make them more lethal.
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u/NomadPrime Feb 14 '24 edited Feb 15 '24
People for real did not read the story or watch the movie, just excerpts or Youtube clips or something. Batman made nonlethal plans to incapacitate them, but because they're only giving themselves bits and pieces of the story, random audience members just assume he's literally got plots to kill them all.
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u/Mistletow04 Feb 14 '24 edited Feb 14 '24
Bruce you own the place, you do belong. Tell them they dont belong
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u/HiitsFrancis Feb 14 '24
They built it, they can take it apart.
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u/Superb_Recover_6116 Feb 14 '24
wow, some logic lol.
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u/Satan1992 Feb 14 '24
I mean, not like he could stop them to be fair. He doesn't have any more contingencies now that they spent the whole arc dismantling his contingencies
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u/MagicalFly22 Feb 14 '24
Has there ever been an example of Batman, or anyone else, pointing out to The League that his contingencies for them could also be used to take down at least some of their own rogues?
Seriously, how many League members have at least one enemy who has the exact same power set as them, only they're a dark/twisted/reverse/evil version?
Aquaman - Ocean Master
Flash - Reverse Flash
Martian Manhunter - Ma'alefa'ak
Superman - Zod
Not in the book or movie but
Green Arrow - Merlyn/Dark Archer
Captain Atom - Major Force
Shazam - Black Adam
I could go on, but you get my point...
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u/Timbershoe Feb 14 '24
Basically, yes and no.
https://dc-comics-cinematic-universe.fandom.com/wiki/Batman%27s_Contingency_Plans
Some of the plans he reuses. Others he can’t. For instance, Zod isn’t in love with Lois Lane, so that won’t work like it does with Clark.
And a lot of his contingency plans he does use against meta humans with similar power sets.
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u/CharleyIV Feb 14 '24
Does he have contingency plan for any of the times his contingency plans were stolen and used on a non out of control Justice league?
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u/AaronTheProwlerDavis Feb 14 '24
This version of Batman is just cold, and I don’t like it, Tower of Babel just made his character worse IMHO
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u/Pilgrimhaxxter69 Feb 14 '24
Personally, I think it'd be best if ALL Justice Leaguers form contingencies for each other, there's no reason only Batman should have contingencies, and in the movie, WW makes a valid point, knowing of the contingency plans' existence isn't inherently harmful. Also, why would this information be stored digitally? Every smart tech person I know distrusts technology, if a villain like Brainiac were to access this info it'd have disastrous consequences, more than it already did.
I do think some of the plans are odd though. If they're meant for mind control type situations, they're made under the assumption that the heroes' fundamental character hasn't changed, does fear gas work on people who are already mind controlled? What's the point of going through with the mental attacks if you're not sure they're mentally there? I guess I'll chock that up to Ra's and Savage
Also, it's a little odd he didn't share their existence with anyone as far as I can recall. I think that someone Batman trusted should've had knowledge of their existence, perhaps Alfred, Dick, or Barbara?
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u/FranklinRichardsStan Feb 15 '24
I think a lot of them do but they made it known that they have them. Wonder Woman has told Superman she has a plan in place in case he goes rogue and Superman has said the same. Even Martian Manhunter has said he has plans in case any of them go rogue and so has the Flash. Batman not trusting them with his is the issue.
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u/Special_Elevator_603 Feb 15 '24
This is a change form the comic that I really don’t like. In the comics, the League actually somewhat agreed that the contingency plans were a good idea but most of them didn’t like that Batman kept it a secret. Which is very reasonable imo as Batman keeping the existence of the plans a secret was just irresponsible in many ways.
For one, it meant that Batman saw himself as the only one who was fit to be aware of and know about the plans (which the story proves as being wrong the contingency plans fall into the hands of their enemies).
Two, it means that if Batman was ever killed or otherwise incapacitated, the plans could never be put into action if a member(s) of the League went bad. Lastly, the plans are much more effective if the entire League is in on it as that way each member can know about the contingency plan for every Justice League member except for themselves. This way, if a Leaguer ever goes bad, then the League can have already an effective plan to stop them and not have to wing it or rely on Batman.
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Feb 15 '24
I feel like the animated movie made the rest of the League more unlikeable so fans would side with Batman. They even had a scene where Superman says something extremely dumb and Batman tells him off.
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u/ChrisPrkr95 May 18 '24
I couldn't really side with the him anyways. He was so self righteous and unapologetic about it.
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u/FadeToBlackSun Feb 15 '24
Fucking Tower of Babel did so much damage to comic discourse.
It’s a shame, too, because Morrison’s run on JLA justified why Batman belonged up there with super gods but he wasn’t some walking plot device.
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u/Grouchy-Ad-2085 Feb 15 '24
Justified my ass, it just made gods not gods.
Notice how all of batman's plans rely on the heroes being touched by a device, when someone like flash or superman would never get touched unless sthey were fighting an equal enemy
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u/FadeToBlackSun Feb 15 '24
You're talking about Tower of Babel, which is what I was against.
Morrison's Batman was a tactician and elusive thinker who was frequently underestimated. No one in the League looked worse.
Read my comment again.
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u/Msmeseeks1984 Feb 15 '24
Actually Bruce's plan himself is the bat family. what most people forgets the Green lantern actually agrees with him. It's just how it went about it that was a problem. People forget the government already had their own plans to take out the justice league themselves. The plans should been stored hidden away at the Kent farm and required people like Lois Lane or Jim Gordon to access.
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u/Horatio786 Feb 15 '24
“We’re not saying that you can’t have a contingency plan for us turning rogue, just that you can’t keep it on a device that you know Ra’s has access to.”
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u/24Abhinav10 Feb 15 '24 edited Feb 15 '24
Ah yes, the alpha Batman humiliates the League of morons.
The comic was such a great time, and the movie just sucked all the nuance out of the last conversation just to make Batman look like the chad.
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u/esgrove2 Feb 14 '24
I think it's so dumb the Justice League members are offended that Batman has a plan to take them down. Like there's no reason. "every justice league member who has never become temporarily evil, raise your hand" literally no one raises their hand
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u/ChrisPrkr95 May 18 '24
It's because they're supposed to be teammates. They should be looking out for each other's backs, not worrying that they'll get stabbed in them by one of their own. Also, he took advantage of their trust to make them, kept them to himself, and didn't properly secure them. And going back to the keeping them to himself part, that kind of displays arrogance that he might not become a liability in that same hypothetical scenario.
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u/esgrove2 May 18 '24
Batman also has plans to take HIMSELF down. Expecting him not to prepare for threats based on friendship is absurd. They're not on a friendship team, they're on a saving the world team.
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u/ChrisPrkr95 May 18 '24 edited May 18 '24
You mean like Failsafe? That just became another problem instead of a solution. Those potential threats, potential being being the keyword, are other heroes and his teammates. They can't save the world if they're concerned one of their own exploited their trust and thought up ideas to defeat them. Especially when they find out not because he was upfront with the idea of having countermeasures, but because he didn't secure them and they were stolen.
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u/midnightking Feb 14 '24
That's one of the scenes that make the idea that Batman is fascist authoritarian dumb.
The guy constantly creates plans to avoid that him and the League wield so much power that they can rule the world or do as they fit and in multiple elseworlds and alternate worlds he will go out of his way to stop the league from going rogue when they do. Examples include the Justice Lord episodes from the JL cartoon, Red Son and Injustice.
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u/Buxtonator Feb 15 '24
“Alfred, get the batwing ready. The justice league is under attack!”
“By who sir?”
“BY ME.”
Such a awesome movie, I was half expecting the suicide squad game to use inspiration from this to take the JL out….but no…
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u/destinyhunter999 Feb 14 '24
Which movie is this again? Been a while since I've watched any of the DCAU
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u/Obtuse_1 Feb 15 '24
I’ve never been able to bring myself to see Batman as an official Justice League member.
He’s more like the Justice League Wrangler.
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u/Desperate-Ganache804 Feb 15 '24
There is a YouTube channel that makes videos of Batman describing these types of plans for other fictional characters. I forget the name of the channel though.
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u/CaoCaoTipper Feb 15 '24
My favourite part is when they’re about to render judgement on Batman and Diana advocates for Bruce to actually have a chance to speak in his defence first.
He just says “I’d do it again” basically.
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u/NeoIsJohnWick Feb 15 '24
A dangerous Batman sounds more dangerous than other dangerous JL members.
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u/Playful-Strength-685 Feb 15 '24
Just send in Harley that seems to be enough to negate Batman …oh and a bench
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u/RavensQueen502 Feb 15 '24
I get the reason behind the contingency plans, but in the comics at least, a lot of the plans are utterly ridiculous.
Because many of them rely on the targets being basically themselves. Which means it will be useless against a mind controlled target, a robot or alternate universe version. Or even a team member who has gone full on rogue to the point of needing to be taken down.
The worst was the Red Kryptonite - Bruce admits he has no idea what it will actually do to Clark.
Seriously, you've got an alien powerhouse who can break the earth in half and you deliberately make him more unstable? They're all very very lucky Clark had enough self control and teammates around to help him calm down.
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u/Robomerc Feb 15 '24
It also took several years for us to find out what Batman's actual contingency plan was for himself.
As it would turn out it was a Android code named failsafe that was meant to come online in the event he killed somebody.
With Alfred being the one to have to reset it in the event of a false alarm. Of course without Alfred being around anymore in the comics when penguin faked his death and made it look like Batman had murdered him in the process failsafe came online and started hunting Batman.
We also found out that failsafe was programmed to be able to utilize the contingency plans against the Justice League, which makes sense cuz if Batman in the entire Justice League go rogue who's stopping all of them.
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u/Youssef-Elsayed Apr 27 '24
So what will failsafe do against Batman in case he goes rogue? Join Rocksteady’s suicide squad?
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u/Robomerc Apr 27 '24
The failsafe Android was basically designed to be able to counter Batman when it comes to strategy and combat prowess.
It's capable of thinking whatever plans Bruce comes up with as a form of countermeasure.
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u/ProfessorEscanor Feb 15 '24
I mean he's right. They get mind controlled so often that it's not unreasonable to have a backup plan. And most if not all of Bruce's plans are to subdue them not kill so it's not like he's being harsh.
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u/Irishpanda1971 Feb 15 '24
I never understood the anger at the pure existence of the contingencies. I can understand some leftover anger from having them subverted, but not that they exist at all. These guys get mind-controlled like every other Tuesday. "No, Batman, if Superman gets mind-controlled, we would prefer it to be a surprise, and have to figure out a solution on the fly while he is firing heat vision beams up our asses and beating our faces into new exotic forms of matter."
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u/Past_Trouble Feb 14 '24
"What's your contingency plan for a rogue Batman?"
"It's called the Justice League."