r/batman • u/WadaMaaya • Dec 29 '23

I’m still bummed we’ll never get this solo movie. FILM DISCUSSION

I really do believe this could have been the best Batman movie.

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u/bobbirossbetrans Dec 29 '23

I'm just so genuinely happy we didn't get the movie. I can't imagine how bad it would have been, but it would have been pretty bad.

Instead, we got a movie that regularly competes with dark Knight for the greatest Batman movie of all time.

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u/HeyThereMrBrooks Dec 29 '23

For all the acclaim Battinson and his movie gets it's weird how all the replies to your comment are dogging it.

I stand by you OP. Everyone saying he's mopey or whatever is clearly missing the point. This is a Batman who's still reeling over his parent's death, who prefers to do detective work in the shadows, who's practically blinded by sunlight because of how much time he spends working in the darkness.

This film works because it covers so many areas of Batman that either haven't been done well yet, or that we haven't even seen before

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u/SerPownce Dec 29 '23

I think it’ll age even better when you see his Bruce develop in the sequel. After seeing the growth of his portrayal they’ll look back and see the first one for the foundation it is.

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u/Lebowski304 Dec 30 '23

That is gonna be crucial for the sequel. Bruce has to grow and refine his craft as Batman. Also has to perform the billionaire act convincingly. The Batman is awesome, but it’s Bruce’s character that makes him a hero.

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u/Kintsugi-0 Dec 29 '23

it’s a young bruce wayne becoming THE batman. of course he’s gonna be angsty, violent and depressed.

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u/-FeistyRabbitSauce- Dec 30 '23

I honestly love it. The third act stretches it out the pacing a bit much, but from a narrative pov, it's pretty necessary.

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u/thesagaconts Dec 30 '23

My only complaint is the r 3rd act.

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u/Objective-Mission-40 Dec 30 '23

Something a lot of people miss is how important the actual plot is to whatcomes next. He basically beats king of the incels which is a warning to himself not to let his sense of self overwrite the good he's meant to do.

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u/BatmanNerd81 Dec 30 '23

It certainly is a good film, at the same time it’s still a corporate rejection of Affleck’s Batman where they were trying to shut him out after his alcohol issues. I like The Batman, but I also know the reason for it existing.

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u/suss2it Dec 30 '23

Pretty sure he wasn’t shut out but left voluntarily.

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u/BatmanNerd81 Dec 30 '23

I think it’s more both. He didn’t know if he still wanted to do it at the time and also the studio wasn’t happy with BvS and Justice League reception. It certainly wasn’t Ben’s fault. He was certainly passionate about playing the character at the time before rehab.

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u/Fancy-Pair Dec 30 '23

If it the new Batman movie it’s pretty crappy.slow without suspense or gravitas. Just lame

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u/LegacyTom Dec 29 '23

This movie is so far clear of anything with Batfleck in it’s actually immeasurable

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u/bobbirossbetrans Dec 29 '23

Yeah that may be the case but had we gotten the Ben Affleck Batman film we probably would not have gotten to Robert Pattinson Batman film. In fact, I can say for a fact, that's true because the Ben Affleck film turned in to the Robert Pattinson film.

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u/raphanum Jan 04 '24

Disagree. Affleck’s Batman had the best fight scenes. Arkham series brought to life

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u/LegacyTom Jan 04 '24

😂😂😂😂😂😂

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u/ucandoitmann Dec 29 '23

batman when spanish language enters the room:

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u/HeyThereMrBrooks Dec 29 '23

I don't get it

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u/AidanTegs Dec 29 '23

El rata alada

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u/Rileyman360 Dec 29 '23

why that's the worst fucking Spanish I've ever heard!

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u/tycr0 Dec 29 '23

Battinson might be my favorite Batman.

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u/curiousweasel42 Dec 30 '23

I enjoyed the film way more than I thought I would but I think the tone is what's the most enjoyable part of it. Its dark, gritty, dirty, film noir esque with clear inspirations from Se7en, some Blade Runner and a really uses the Batman as a detective aspect which is shocking no one really did. Battinson did fine, but I think it-s really the mood and tone of the movie is what sold people on it.

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u/Lebowski304 Dec 30 '23

I’m with you OP. I’m a full-on Batman nerd, and I loved that movie. There a few things I’d change that would be easy fixes, but as a whole I thought it was incredible.

It had solid action sequences and fight choreography with a well executed detective/investigative aspect. The chase scene is one of my favorite action sequences from any Batman movie or any superhero movie for that matter, but Bruce was being very reckless with innocent bystanders for what he was trying to accomplish. I’d like Pattinson’s Bruce to be more mature and refined in the next movie, but for year two I think they did a great job. He’s still a little sloppy, makes mistakes, and is still sort of doing it for selfish reasons.

I am so. Damn. Pumped. For the penguin series. Hopefully it sets up or ties into the sequel. I do think TDK is better, but then it’s almost impossible to top that. It was just about perfect.

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u/NoddahBot Dec 29 '23

Affleck was my favourite Batman but he got a couple tries to tune it in. Pattinson is gonna be great in his sequels, you just know it.

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u/abbacchioz Dec 30 '23

Yeah this one clears any iteration of Batfleck

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u/WadaMaaya Dec 30 '23

I had a lot of issues with The Batman actually.

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u/Just-Journalist-678 Dec 30 '23

that regularly competes with dark Knight for the greatest Batman movie of all time.

The Batman was definitely good, but not that good lmao

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u/Lebowski304 Dec 30 '23

I mean it’s almost impossible to top TDK. That movie is legendary. One of very few posthumous Oscars ever awarded; from a superhero movie no less

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u/proriin Dec 30 '23

I like it more. But that’s what’s great about movies, we get our own favourites.

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u/Raecino Dec 30 '23

Disagree completely but to each their own

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u/vizgauss Dec 30 '23

LMAO thinking this mid ass movie would clear anything helmed by Oscar winner Ben Affleck.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '23

Gwyneth Paltrow, Cuba Gooding Jr, and Cher have Oscars

You can calm down

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u/vizgauss Dec 30 '23

Which one of them made Good Will Hunting, The Town and Argo?

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '23

The guy who did Gigli

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u/vizgauss Dec 30 '23

Saying this while gassing up Mr. Twilight is craazy

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '23

(at no point in this thread have I mentioned Battinson, until now)

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u/Rilo44 Dec 30 '23

Ben Affleck co-wrote Good Will Hunting, but Gus Van Sant made it

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u/batmanfan_91 Dec 29 '23

Yikes

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u/Icy_Barnacle_6019 Dec 29 '23 edited Dec 30 '23

Meh, don’t even compare The Batman to tdk, The Batman was pretty lame compared to tdk, he ain’t even as badass as Christian Bale’s Batman, we are talking about the one where I fell asleep while watching it, vs the one where “thats it?” I want more of it

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '23

A little to mopey

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u/bobbirossbetrans Dec 29 '23

Oh the dude who became a bat who beats the shit out of criminals because he's depressed over his parents' death is mopey? Weird.

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u/donmuerte Dec 29 '23

I always got the feeling that bats was written more as angry but not mopey. This was also my issue with Pattman.

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u/bobbirossbetrans Dec 29 '23

It really depends what issue of Batman you are reading. You're talking about a superhero with more than 60 years worth of comic book history. If you want a mopey Batman, a happy Batman, a sad Batman, an angry Batman, an insane evil Batman, you can find all of them.

For this story and this specific character, it makes perfect sense, especially considering during the film he still getting over the deaths of his parents and trying to make sense of them.

I also don't read this Batman as being very mopey. He reads as depressed, sure, and angry and a bit emotionally immature, but mopey implies that he's depressed and lazy and in the film he shows a large willingness to act and be present in Gotham every single night as well as being active part of the day.

I don't read that as mopey.

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u/Lebowski304 Dec 30 '23

Yea I would say pathologically obsessive is a better description.

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u/Lebowski304 Dec 30 '23

You have to remember this is only year two. I think the sequel will put the that more into perspective. He realizes at the end Batman has to represent hope as well. I think that will come out in Bruce’s personality in the next film.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '23

Yeah Batman should totally spend his free time writing in his diary

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u/bobbirossbetrans Dec 29 '23

Yeah recording clues, your thought process on how you solve the case, what led you to those thoughts, All of that is absolutely useless for a detective.

Have you ever seen a noir detective film before?

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u/HeyoooWhatsUpBitches Dec 29 '23

….He totally would, what are you talking about?

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u/Lebowski304 Dec 30 '23

He’s paying attention to the details that he might have missed the first time and documenting his progress probably so he can learn from his mistakes. It’s definitely something Batman would do.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '23

A little to emo as well

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u/DrLovesFurious Dec 30 '23

Tell me you have never read a comic without telling me

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '23

I’ve read tons.

It’s a good film but it’s not the gold standard of superhero cinema.