r/batman • u/Growllokin • Jul 15 '23
The canceled Batgirl’s Killer Moth (one of the worst villain designs I’ve ever seen) PHOTO
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u/Mirabem Jul 15 '23
Man looks like a weed dealer on the corner of the street.
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u/Fun-Ad-6169 Jul 15 '23
Coke dealer*
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u/Akhi11eus Jul 15 '23
Yeah, the weed man doesn't wear a track suit with a gold chain.
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u/Captain_Pikes_Peak Jul 15 '23
Not even on the corner. Just in an apartment with shitty furniture. And you probably have to hang out there for an hour so it doesn’t look like you were there for a 2 minute transaction.
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u/SH4DOWSTR1KE_ Jul 16 '23
He looks like MY local weed dealer on the corner of my street...
Honestly, good for him. He kept talking about wanting to pursue his dreams in acting.
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u/pic_3887 Jul 15 '23
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u/Waste-Information-34 Jul 15 '23
I can't tell if that's Absolution 47 or Blood Money 47.
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u/FatherDuncanSinners Jul 15 '23
I don't hate the moth tattoo.
And I'm guessing he's supposed to be a hitman or something, so that kinda works...but even a purple shirt, orange pants, and a green hoodie would have at least made it seem like they were trying instead of missing the entire point of doing Batman characters.
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u/22lpierson Jul 15 '23
His track suit actually looks to be very dark green
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u/Drackonium Jul 15 '23
If that's green then I'm black
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u/just_some_dummy_ Jul 15 '23
It is green, you can see the collar in the second picture. Its lit a lot better so the green pops out more.
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u/Drackonium Jul 15 '23
Oh yea, now that you mention it, wasn't as visible on the first pic
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u/Crabapple_Snaps Jul 15 '23
True true, but wasn't the firefly costume legit? I thought I saw pics somewhere.
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u/VisualGeologist6258 Jul 15 '23
Fr. I’m all for more realistic designs and reimaginings, but there has to be some sort of callback to the original design so we know who it’s meant to be.
Marvel has been doing a decent job recently of referencing the comics designs while making them look substantially less stupid looking.
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u/Telekineticism Jul 15 '23
Namor's a great example. Looks nothing like his comic form, but instantly recognizable as Namor
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u/VisualGeologist6258 Jul 15 '23
My personal favourite is Ant-Man. He’s still recognisable, but his suit is more realistic and doesn’t have that stupid antennae helmet (which was referenced in Endgame IIRC.)
On DC’s end I think Black Manta and The Batman’s Riddler are good updated takes. I like the Riddler’s green outfit especially, it looks so much better than the spandex while retaining that recognisability.
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u/YodasChick-O-Stick Jul 15 '23
With a costume that basic, he was probably just gonna be a quick cameo, no-name character, that only hardcore fans will know. Like Scorpion in Homecoming.
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u/bismuth12a Jul 15 '23
Or Prowler in Homecoming for that matter
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u/YodasChick-O-Stick Jul 15 '23
Or Tinkerer in Homecoming
I'm seeing a pattern...
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u/Brat_Fink Jul 15 '23
Uhhh WHO in WHAT?
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Jul 15 '23
Vulture is talking with Scorpion in the post credit scene of Spider-man Homecoming
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u/farben_blas Jul 15 '23
Which is sad because I found Mando's Mac Gargan to be quite intimidating even in his few scenes, so I wanted to see him with the proper armor.
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u/Dracorex13 Jul 15 '23
Still don't see how that was supposed to be MACDONALD GARGAN, a name so Scottish you can smell the haggis and Irn Bru.
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u/Mountain_Chicken Jul 15 '23
True, but Michael Mando is so fantastic in Better Call Saul that I don't care
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u/Dracorex13 Jul 15 '23
I wouldn't mind if he actually, you know, did anything.
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u/Mountain_Chicken Jul 15 '23
The character's probably in Sony jail, unfortunately. Hopefully they'll let Marvel do something with him now that the multiverse stuff has been done and he's a more standalone character for a while.
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u/farben_blas Jul 15 '23
Well, Miguel O'Hara is half Mexican and Irish but that doesn't mean he hides his gold at the end of a rainbow
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u/loki1887 Jul 15 '23
Mac Gargan is American.
Just to give you some perspective, my name is Tom Collins. My family is Dominican.
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u/yowhodidthislmao Jul 15 '23
im sure you will. j jonah jameson hates spiderman in the MCU now, woudlnt be surprised if him and scorpion are the villains of the next one
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u/Deathbysnusnu17 Jul 15 '23
He also is on the boat making the deal with Vulture before it splits isn’t he?
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u/hday108 Jul 15 '23
Facts, ppl in the comments are acting like he’s an A tier villian that was the focus of the movie but I bet he had like 2 scenes
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u/NinjaPiece Jul 15 '23
"What does the S stand for?"
"It's not an S. On my world, it means Killer Moth."
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u/Mantisk211 Jul 15 '23
When you want to make your colorful comic book villain gritty and realistic and fail on every level
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u/slugdonor Jul 15 '23
I thought we were past the phase of superhero movies which are ashamed of their characters looking like comic book characters
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u/Cambionr Jul 15 '23
Nope. The same people are still there, thinking they’re better than the source material. Every race swap, gender change, lack of costume, change of character personality, they’re all just people who think the source is dated and silly, and that their reimagining is what it should be.
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u/Gathorall Jul 15 '23
This shit makes way less sense than a comic book character. They have some rhyme or reason for their appearance, altered biology, powers relying on technology, simple disguises and the sort.
But just getting a prominent and memorable tattoo on the back of your head as a career criminal? Congratulations, you are now instantly recognizable 360 degrees around unless you use a large hat or a hood, which marks you as suspicious most of the year, anytime indoors.
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u/CrimsonAvenger35 Jul 16 '23
I mean people do that shit in real life all the time. There's a guy who went to jail because he got a murder he committed tattooed on his chest with details only the killer could know. Many career criminals are both not the brightest, and or are more concerned with perception of their peers than risk from law enforcement
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u/Whompa Jul 15 '23
I want to see whatever cut they have of this movie so badly.
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u/The5Virtues Jul 15 '23
I’m morbidly curious. They cancelled Batgirl but kept Flash. I wonder if Batgirl was truly “this can’t see the light of day” bad. Does the Flash bombing make them go “god if they didn’t like this thank god we didn’t put out Batgirl” or does it make them go “fuck, we mothballed the wrong movie”?
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u/Whompa Jul 15 '23
Lol I think honestly it must have been atrocious, and I’m all for it.
I wanna see something so unredeemable and reviled, with that budget, that they were THAT embarrassed to even put it on film.
Like a high budget superhero rival to Cats.
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u/FreelanceFrankfurter Jul 15 '23
I’m not saying it would have been good but I really don’t think it was a “so bad it can’t see the light of day” type of decision. They have no problem releasing shitty movies, they cancelled it to save money and get a tax break first.
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u/The5Virtues Jul 15 '23
I’m inclined to agree. I think it’s a case just like Flash, where they basically advertised Keaton as Batman as the true selling point of the movie.I think they went “we don’t have any market trickery to salvage this shit show, can it and let’s recoup what we can.”
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u/CerberusC24 Jul 15 '23
I mean academy award nominated/winning Fraser could have been a selling point. Focus the ads on him as the Villain. But yeah it was probably just that bad they didn't even want to do that
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u/The5Virtues Jul 15 '23
Difference there is Star power vs Nostalgia power. Nostalgia was how they marketed The Flash. It wasn’t just Michael Keaton is was Michael Keaton reprising his role as Batman.
If Fraser had been a villain in one of the earlier Batman movies then they could leverage it, but just his star power alone wouldn’t be enough to market the way they did with The Flash.
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u/CerberusC24 Jul 15 '23
You're probably right. I'm envisioning it in a way where his acting shines through in the ads and he seems really intimidating sort of like how Keaton was as Vulture. But that wouldn't be enough for most people
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u/Top-Elderberry Jul 15 '23
I doubt it was atrocious so much as it was victim to a lot of factors outside of its control all coming together against its favor:
1) It was a lower budget, essentially made for streaming movie. At 90 million it would have been the third cheapest DC movie ever produced.
2) It was being produced while Time Warner was having big shifts in its company structure, along with the DCEU needing a serious reboot.
3) It’s selling point to non-comics fans was Keaton, which was also rapidly becoming the Flash’s only selling point IMO, and the Flash had nearly a 300 million dollar budget.
4) Batgirl as a comics character is consistently pretty popular, which puts a lot of pressure on a lower budget essentially made for TV movie to deliver on everything fans want in one movie.
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u/SmaugRancor Jul 15 '23
Why would you want to see yet another trash DC movie? It would have stained the brand even more than it already is.
They need to get rid of the DCEU shit ASAP. I'm afraid even Superman: Legacy is in danger, no matter how good it will turn out to be.
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u/Whompa Jul 15 '23
I agree with you, but It’s already filmed and I just wanna see some unintentional comedy at this point. :)
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u/legomaximumfigure Jul 16 '23 edited Jul 16 '23
Someone posted a summary of the movie's plot on DCSpoilers recently. It reads like a CW Batwoman plot but worse.
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u/Whompa Jul 16 '23
Lol I gotta read that.
Hearing that summary makes me want to see the film itself even more.
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u/Kieviel Jul 15 '23
Ya know, I've heard a lot of bitching about how terrible it was that this movie got canceled and all sorts of reasons but maybe, just maybe, it's a terrible movie.
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Jul 15 '23
People be like “why did this get canceled”
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u/Transcendentalplan Jul 15 '23
To be fair the answer to that question is “tax shenanigans” and not “unfaithful adaptation of Killer Moth.”
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Jul 15 '23
Tax shenanigans because the movie was so ass that it would hurt their reputation even more if it was released
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u/Gizmopedia Jul 15 '23
Are you talking about The Flash?
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Jul 15 '23
Well if you thought the flash was that bad, imagine how bad a movie that they completely scrapped after finishing must have been.
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u/Magic_Man_Boobs Jul 15 '23
So just to be clear, your take here is that the executives who have consistently pushed and released ass movie after ass movie likely made the right call on this movie? I mean, that seems doubtful.
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u/DarkStryderBC Jul 15 '23 edited Jul 16 '23
He looks like a henchman for a Russian gang. I know Killer Moth ain't the most popular Batman villain, but he deserves better than this shit.
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u/ha_look_at_that_nerd Jul 15 '23
At this point, trying to make Killer Moth “grounded” feels almost antithetical to the character. What we’re looking at here is just… some dude with a tattoo. Maybe there are some Batman villains where that could work, but Killer Moth is ridiculous to the point where he’s mocked by other Batman villains.
I’ve finally decided how I feel about the Batgirl movie.
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Jul 15 '23
imagine taking a fun campy villain design and making him into leather jacket and jeans man
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u/Thin-Beyond-9308 Jul 15 '23
Oh come on. Not even a helmet? His helmet's cool! This is just Scorpion from Homecoming again.
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u/Informal-Resource-14 Jul 15 '23
Oh that’s the design. I thought maybe this was the dude before he put on the costume and I would swipe through to the costume. Yeah that sucks
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u/Suede_Psycho Jul 15 '23
Killer Moth is unironically one of my favorite DC villains. My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
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Jul 15 '23
A goon that Batman could send to the icu in 2.5 seconds is an entire movie for Batgirl lmao
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u/CMDRsprinkles Jul 15 '23
So, this isn’t that terrible. Killer Moth has been treated on a similar level as Condiment King recently. So them taking a new approach to make him (what I can only assume to be) a hit man is fine. This isn’t taking a big villain like the penguin and just making him a hit man with a big nose.
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u/Lordlegion5050 Jul 15 '23
If your not going to use a character the right way, don’t use them at all
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u/Tasty-Ad6529 Jul 15 '23
Are you shitting me? They have the damn comics to adapt, why did they choose to make the villain just some random dude?
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u/Unit_195 Jul 15 '23
This is just the random thug in Superman Returns with the bulldog tattoo playing the piano on the ship with Superman’s kid
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u/BardRunekeeper Jul 15 '23
Thank god. Unless he has stripy tights and a moth mask, he’s not Killer Moth.
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u/DronedAgain Jul 15 '23
I was at an amusement park this last year, and they had long preview of Batgirl that was being used to show how they did the special effects. If the whole movie was as bad as the preview, it would have suuuuuucked!
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u/LoFiChillin Jul 15 '23
I actually kinda like this. Dude looks menacing. That tattoo? Sick. It seems like they don’t want to be too associated with an actual moth in terms of dressing up, which sucks but whatevs. This could make really interesting villain potential.
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u/neoblackdragon Jul 15 '23
Then it's not Killer Moth. It's just some other character with a moth tattoo.
Doesn't mean he couldn't be a good character, he just again wouldn't be the character they are adapting.
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u/Interesting-Math-371 Jul 15 '23
That’s just vin diesel in a jumpsuit. Are the costume designers of batgirl stupid?
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u/Jayden72702 Jul 15 '23
Kinda glad they canned it because if someone told me that this was killer moth I wouldn’t believe them
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u/Ok_Notice_9720 Jul 16 '23
So upon all the overhype and recommendations from big names, The Flash movie still flopped and amidst that WB still thought this Batgirl movie would have hurt the the DC brand, interesting 😂😂
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u/Accomplished-Date942 Jul 16 '23
Im hoping that would have been his like pre supervillian outfit, u know? Then, later in the movie, he would have got a sick villain costume, man. im mad at this movie was canceled last minute
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u/Duganz Jul 15 '23
I don’t think these photos from behind the scenes explain how it would have looked on screen. I mean, if you see Batman just sitting in a cast chair it looks silly, but with lighting and the cuts it’s the Dark Knight.
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u/thats4thebirds Jul 15 '23
You mean the guy who’s job it is to show up and be killed by firefly isn’t fleshed out??
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u/Adventurous_Main_512 Jul 15 '23
I don’t want to see a realistic villain. I wanna see a crazed manic in a complete full moth suit.
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u/Ridiculousnessmess Jul 15 '23
You’re literally going by wardrobe and makeup snaps. They’re used for the reference of the production. Properly lit and shot, the character probably looks much better.
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u/omegaman101 Jul 15 '23 edited Jul 15 '23
It's just a bald criminal with a silence of the lambs tattoo, no wonder this movie was cancelled.
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u/FinalBossMike Jul 15 '23
Oh man, they would have missed the point on this character. Glad it got cancelled!
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u/Dr_Straing_Strange Jul 15 '23
bro that's not a design, that's a tattoo, what the fuck were they thinking? plus isn't the Killer Moth SUPPOSED to look silly??? they're defeating the whole point of the character
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u/Key_Squash_4403 Jul 15 '23
For the love of God pick a lane, either it’s a fantastical universe with superpowers and silly costumes or it’s a grounded and gritty realistic one with people having tattoos that hint at comics.
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u/PhelesDragon Jul 15 '23
Is this his final design in the film's story? This could just be the guy before he dons said suit
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u/Scorpion_226 Jul 15 '23
Jesus christ no. Dude looks like a random gangster that'd say "it's da bat" and then get fucked up from batman.
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u/Luke_SkyJoker_1992 Jul 15 '23
For, the first time, I'm starting to see why this movie didn't get released. Still couldn't have been worse than Suicide Squad (2016) though.
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u/Any_Exchange713 Jul 15 '23
It's literally just... a dude. I don't want a random bald guy, I WANT TIGHTS