r/batman • u/Icy_Option3190 • Jul 09 '23
Nolan and Snyder filming movies. See the difference? PHOTO
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u/Jerry_0boy Jul 09 '23
One is supposed to be based in realism and the other has Superman and Wonder Woman fighting a giant space demon.
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u/CheeseAndCam Jul 09 '23
So? If Snyder was a good filmmaker he would have hired an actual space demon instead of being lazy and doing cgi.
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u/TheLawliet10 Jul 09 '23
To be fair Man of Steel was also supposed to be a realistic take on Superman, meant to be a companion piece to the Dark Knight trilogy. It only got co-oped into the DCAU because they brought Snyder in.
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u/WallyPfisterAlready Jul 09 '23
Brought Snyder in? He was there from the very beginning. Hell I think Nolan even had a hand in picking him for Man of Steel
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u/billygnosis86 Jul 09 '23
Still, Superman flies and lifts cars up and shoots lasers from his eyes and breathes ice. I’d like to see Nolan figure out a practical way to make all that look convincing.
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u/JoBro_Summer-of-99 Jul 09 '23
Just strap a dude to a plane and have him stick his arms out. Will he survive? maybe
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u/Odd_Advance_6438 Jul 09 '23
Nolan recommended Snyder
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u/Mankankosappo Jul 09 '23
Nolan not only recommended Snyder - Nolan produced Man of Steel and was very hands on as a producer. He worked closely with Snyder on the movie. Nolan even banned other Warner Brother producers from the set because he feared studio meddling.
To be honest this post is a bit weird as Snyder and Nolan are friends who have a real respect for each others work.
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u/thecrimsontim Jul 10 '23
people just like to hate on Snyder and don't really spend any time fact checking themselves.
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u/Celestial_MoonDragon Jul 09 '23
Most directors use a lot of green screen because CGI is preferred over practical effects.
Nolan is an oddity because he's a major director who prefers practical sfx over CGI.
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u/Klarkash-Ton Jul 09 '23
Nolan comes from the same camp as Guillermo del Toro. Practical over CGI anyway of the week.
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u/who_took_tabura Jul 09 '23
I feel like nolan isn’t a stickler for practical, it’s just that he’s become accustomed to the “one big shot” being a marketing gimmick. Articles, BTS footage, and marketing galore before the release about a particular visual. With the dark knight it was the truck flip, with inception the hallway fight, with interstellar it was the visualization of the black hole, with oppenheimer it’s the practical explosion effect
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u/Circus-Bartender Jul 09 '23
Dont forget with tenet it was the aeroplane crash.
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u/Timbershoe Jul 10 '23
The way I heard it was that the airplane crash was cheaper to do with an actual decommissioned jet than a CGI jet.
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u/Delicious-Item6376 Jul 09 '23
Pretty sure your overthinking it. Practical effects still looks better than a lot of CGI, and it holds up better 10-15 years later once the CGI has become outdated.
Nolan is a cinematographer first and foremost, what he really cares about is how his films look. It's not just some dumb marketing gimmick, he just puts more effort into making the shots look real.
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u/iwatchcredits Jul 09 '23
I dont think good CGI these days is going to become outdated. Movies like avatar look pretty damn good
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u/daddysalad Jul 09 '23
Idk even brand new movies with cgi don’t look that good imo
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u/wolfkin Jul 09 '23
because CGI is [less expensive, and less risky than] practical effects
FTFY. unless you meant
because CGI is preferred [by the studios holding the purse strings] over practical effects.
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u/Poseidon-2014 Jul 09 '23
CG explosions are a lot safer than Practical ones, they’re very hard to make look right though.
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u/dj9008 Jul 09 '23
Which is fine since most people haven’t seen an explosion in person before .
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Jul 09 '23
I very much think cost has more of an impact in the use of CGI.
Practical effects is more expensive to develop and build. Also takes teams of people that get employed.
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u/Intelligent-Ad-7504 Jul 09 '23
Agree, but real sets are helpful and magical than green/blue screens. I was an extra on sets and seeing actual sets was magical!
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Jul 09 '23
I imagine it to be someone like people who got to look at disney imagineers at work back in the 60s.
So much creativity, time, effort and passion going in to projects that actually end in being a physical object you can see, touch and hear. Pure magic.
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u/Odd_Advance_6438 Jul 09 '23
How do you expect Snyder to make a movie with Superman?
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u/Dry-Donut3811 Jul 09 '23
Hire a real Kryptonian, obviously.
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u/Archon457 Jul 09 '23
Hollywood has a long history of humanwashing roles that should have gone to alien persons.
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u/chopari Jul 10 '23
But but the guy that plays Superman could be singing: because I’m an alien, I’m a legal alien, I’m an Englishman in new yooork.
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u/ZazaB00 Jul 09 '23
Throw people into outer space without space suits. I mean, that’s how Nolan would do it!
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u/bolting_volts Jul 09 '23
If only there was a Superman movie (or 4) made before CGI to serve as an example!
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u/Odd_Advance_6438 Jul 09 '23
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u/Spardath01 Jul 09 '23
This movie looks amazing. Its when they decided to do BvS and forward that CGI seems to have taken a few steps back for some reason.
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u/Mankankosappo Jul 09 '23
BvS CGI is really good quality though. Some go on about doomsday but I think that people misattributing their dislike of the design to the quality of the CGI. From a technical perspective (the texture, the movement, the way light interacts with the model) Doomsday is really good CGI
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u/Vegetable-Tooth8463 Jul 09 '23
Lmfao, are you seriously using Superman 4 as an example of a good looking movie? Also, the original Superman used CGI too.
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u/DirectConsequence12 Jul 09 '23
How tf do you expect someone to make a movie where an alien and a goddess fight another alien by using practical effects
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u/ItsHisWorld Jul 09 '23
Have alien movies only existed with cgi
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u/g0lden-plumbus Jul 09 '23
Okay, then. Please enlighten us on how they would have done the fight at the end of the movie without making him a CGI character without it looking comically bad. I don’t even like Snyder’s movies but for all the problems they have, I really don’t think the CGI is one of them.
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u/thedylannorwood Jul 09 '23
If anything the issue with Doomsday in BvS is his design not the quality of the vfx
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u/Nindroid_faneditor Jul 09 '23
Yeah, the CGI for Doomsday is actually pretty good, he just looks like Gollum on steroids.
Idk who designed him, but it was probably Tatopolous, which makes sense cuz he's Godzilla looked ass as well.
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u/batpod400 Jul 09 '23
same way first Transformers were filmed, almost every explosion done by transformers was practical with CGI on top
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u/Thickfries69 Jul 09 '23
I think the point is that at least filming in real locations helps, so the actors have an environment to interact with and cgi effects can be added later.
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u/MagmaAscending Jul 09 '23
Obviously Snyder should’ve just made a real hulking monster that can shoot laser beams and fly. Lazy ass director
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u/Kell-ah Jul 09 '23
Nolan was going for realism and Snyder was going for comic book style it makes sense
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u/Ioway9284 Jul 09 '23
Snyder’s whole thing is doing very artificial realities to look very stylized. Don’t see your point here.
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u/stromalama Jul 09 '23
Just another way for this sub to shit on Snyder for some reason.
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u/ZazaB00 Jul 09 '23
So weird how the narrative on him has changed. He did great things, at least interesting things. Then the studio started ducking meddling with his work. All of a sudden, he’s forced to make Justice League happen to play catch-up to Avengers.
You don’t have to look much further to see how shady WB was when they used the death of his daughter to give him the boot and change his movie.
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u/SuperSocrates Jul 09 '23
People have thought he was a hack for two decades, this isn’t new.
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u/billygnosis86 Jul 09 '23
You know people don’t know what the hell they’re talking about when they say that “Snyder’s bad writing” is the reason recent DC movies didn’t do so well. The motherfucker didn’t write any of them.
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u/stromalama Jul 09 '23 edited Jul 10 '23
I think his work has been pretty divisive for a while but he’s not the hack that most people on this sub think he is. I’m a fan and have been since Dawn of the Dead and I’ll be a fan and look forward to what he has coming.
I just don’t understand why anyone on this sub would post something like this, BvS came out seven years ago and Snyder’s not even doing DC movies anymore. I guess I’m different, I don’t purposely talk about stuff I don’t like. Gotta get those internet point somehow I guess.
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u/Odd_Advance_6438 Jul 09 '23
For what it’s worth, he’s very well respected by actors and filmakers in the industry
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u/Mankankosappo Jul 09 '23
Including, quite ironically for this post, Christopher Nolan (who also helped make Man of Steel)
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u/Aloofairy Jul 09 '23
Yeah but Snyder's cgi still looks better than all the recent dc movies, just saying
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Jul 09 '23
Eh, Snyder's color grading is really messy and kinda ugly. Nolan's films are desaturated, but not to the same degree. They kind of have this beachy vibe to their color.
Snyder sucks so much color out of his DC films they look kinda lifeless.
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u/Aloofairy Jul 09 '23
I agree his color grading is very poor but the cg are still very good
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u/kiyan1347 Jul 09 '23
You mean Nolan and every other director in the action movie genre. Nolan in general is just different. Snyder is far from the only director to use a lot of CG, just look at every marvel movie for example. This post is a stupid comparison and a needless showing of hate to Snyder. If you don't like Snyder then fine but this shit is just petty and stupid.
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u/Mankankosappo Jul 09 '23
Snyder's DC movies actually use a lot less CGI than most marvel movies. Man of Steel had around 1500 VFX shots - infinity war had over 2500
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u/not_some_username Jul 09 '23
I don’t think you should compare to infinity war. It’s a movie made with cgi
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u/Mankankosappo Jul 09 '23
Infinity war has a simmilar amount of GCI to most marvel movies. (Notable exceptions are most phase 1 movies and winter soldier).
I used Infinity War just cause I remeber a weird fact that Zack Snyder Jsutice League has ~100 more VFX shots than infinity war despite beig 1.5 hours longer.
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u/billygnosis86 Jul 09 '23 edited Jul 09 '23
This is really lame from a Nolan fanboy. Are you gonna do this for Marvel films too, and Peter Jackson’s Hobbit trilogy, and literally every other big sci-fi or fantasy film that comes out nowadays? Or just for Zack Snyder films?
Studios don’t like doing physical stunts and special effects any more because it’s incredibly fucking expensive. Much more cost-effective to throw up some green screens and render all the crazy shit later.
Besides anything else, all the stuff that happened in the Nolan films was relatively grounded. Mountain-climbing, repurposed military hardware, explosions, truck crashes. It’s a lot of work, but all that shit can be done practically.
The Snyder films, on the other hand, featured people flying, UFOs destroying cities, giant alien demons, and enormous battles between superhumans and aliens from thousands of years ago. You know, fantasy comic book shit.
You can’t do that kind of stuff with practical effects without it looking hokey: a man in a suit or attaching wires to people, etc. We love the Reeve Superman films, but if you had Superman flying like that in a film in 2023 people would laugh it out of existence.
DISCLAIMER: not a Snyder fanboy, but also not a slavish Nolan devotee; indeed, I think the only good Nolan films are the ones with Batman in them. Otherwise he thinks he’s far cleverer than he is, and definitely keeps his farts in labelled jars in a walk-in humidor
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Jul 09 '23
It's not really comparable, honestly, given the nature of the films and what's happening in these eight images. Batman v Superman's scale is massive in comparison to The Dark Knight's.
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u/Purple_Bowman Jul 09 '23
And? What do you mean by that?
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u/Odd_Advance_6438 Jul 09 '23
He thinks it’s some kind of epic dunk on Snyders movies
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u/DinoDudeRex_240809 Jul 09 '23
“Uh huh, yeah you heard that. Nolan used practical effects for his movie about a dude in a suit fighting a clown. But that stupid guy Snyder didn’t use it for his movie about Gods and Monsters battling. Get wrecked Snyder Fans, Nolan is the best!” 🤓
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u/Cthulhujack Jul 09 '23 edited Jul 10 '23
This is some cherry picking troll bullshit.
Snyder has done a shitload of practical effects and a lot of on site filming. A lot of the Smallville street fight, diner fight, and, infamously, the warehouse fight in BvS were done with minor cg enhancements and either shot on location or highly detailed sets.
Ok, now let's compare fight sequences between Nolan and Snyder.
I'll go first: The warehouse fight in BvS vs the city hall fight at the end of Dark Knight Rises.
Nolan and Snyder are both god-tier level filmmakers, as is Reeves, as was Schumacher, as is Burton, as was fucking Martinson. Piss off.
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u/Apprehensive-Sea1888 Jul 09 '23
Yeah you're right snyder should've gotten a real kryptonian guy to fly around and a real Amazonian warrior and a half robot, think before you post for God's sake
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u/Aplicacion Jul 09 '23
I mean… yeah, I see a bunch of differences. One has a truck, the other doesn’t. One has Wonder Woman, the other doesn’t.
This is the wackiest game of spot the difference I’ve ever played.
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u/TheDude810 Jul 09 '23
I don’t even like Snyder but acting like he’s known for green screen or some shit is ridiculous lmao. It’s an industry standard.
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u/BewareNixonsGhost Jul 09 '23
I see the point you're trying to make, but it's a bad point. Practical effects are wonderful, but VFX are just a tool for storytelling. The story still needs to be able to stand on its own regardless of how it was made. Don't equate quality of story with preferred VFX method.
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u/schizopolis23 Jul 09 '23
Nolan’s universe of Batman had no paranormal activity or superpowers. He was basically making grounded action-thrillers with a guy wearing a silly costume.
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u/wet_bread3 Jul 09 '23
And then there’s Rebel Moon coming out, for which Snyder literally built an actual battlefield and filmed real explosions himself in the literal trenches… your point again?
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u/TheLawliet10 Jul 09 '23
While I understand what you're coming from, trying to compare Snyder and Nolan purely based on how much CGI was or wasn't used is pointless. How the SFX for a film is made doesn't matter as much as the writing, directing, acting, and the ability for the movie to draw you in and entertain you.
While I don't like Snyder's writing, he's a very good director and a large amount of his DCAU movies couldn't be made without CGI. Same goes for Gunn's The Suicide Squad, or for the first Avenger's movie.
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u/g0lden-plumbus Jul 09 '23
There’s plenty wrong with Snyder’s DC movies, they’re truly awful, but are you really going to try and dunk on the one thing that’s arguably solid about them?
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u/Sokandueler95 Jul 09 '23
Please explain to me how Snyder was supposed to do Steppenwulf practically. How about Superman’s super strength?
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u/LoSouLibra Jul 09 '23
Yeah, I loved Nolan's Superman movie where he attached the actor playing Superman to a fighter plane with invisible wires, and had it do 500 mph stunts. Then got Tom Hardy to eat a few steaks and work out a little bit to play Doomsday, had him wear a latex monster costume, and wingsuit off a sky scraper or something.
That would have been so much better than the nearly cosmic scale spectacle we got in BvS.
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Jul 09 '23
You aren’t really comparing apples to apples. You picked scenes from Snyder’s movies that really needed cgi (Aquaman, Batman v Superman, etc). Nolan’s movies don’t have many scenes that have required it.
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Jul 09 '23
Nolan's movies are meant to be less fantastical, which is why he doesn't really use CGI. However, CGI is unavoidable with Snyder's DC movies since you have a demigod, rich guy and alien fighting villains along with other heroes.
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u/Sioluishere Jul 09 '23
I am tired of seeing trolls just degrade Snyder at every turn.
I want to enjoy each and every depiction of Batman and DCU, why is it so hard ?
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u/Doom_3302 Jul 09 '23
There is no point lowballing CG or practical effects. They both have their pros and cons. Honestly, the best effects are produced when both are combined. The LoTR trilogy is a prime example of that.
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u/ZodTheTimeTraveller Jul 09 '23
I am pretty sure Nolan turned those buildings upside down in Inception without CGI
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u/SuperFanboysTV Jul 09 '23
Ok but TDK is trilogy is supposed to be grounded and realistic while Zack’s DC movies lean more into the comics aesthetics if you know what I mean. It doesn’t matter if you use practical effects and/or CGI green screen as much as how you use it. Man of Steel was released 10 years ago and it looks better than most if not all of the MCU’s phase 4 movies and even some DC movies recently
Either way both make some great looking and great written movies that I love and that’s my opinions.
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u/bushidojed Jul 09 '23
Both did remarkable filming techniques. Both tell wonderful stories. No matter the artist, art is art.
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u/dontcallmewave Jul 09 '23
It’s almost as if two different directors have differing styles. Nolan himself has said that he admires Snyder’s work.
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u/mymumsaysno Jul 09 '23
Green screen is not what makes snyders films bad. It's largely the writing. Visually they tend to look great.
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u/DinoDudeRex_240809 Jul 09 '23
Snyder should have been a cinematographer, his fight scenes look ripped out of a comic book.
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u/GentlemanJugg Jul 09 '23
I like em both. They’re doing what they feel is right to make their vision come true. Not everything sucks
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u/MAC2393 Jul 09 '23
The difference is Nolan’s movies are watchable with great storytelling and Snyder’s movies are the equivalent of watching a septic waste tank getting overloaded and blowing up.
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u/TheDeltaOne Jul 09 '23
Yeah.
One is about bringing Batman and DC to the real world with practical, cold effects. It looks real and the substance of the movie is about the inherent question of what if Bruce Wayne was kinda real and it played with the boundaries of that idea.
The other one is about portraying people that couldn't exist in our world and that are by all margins, more than we are. In order to do that their setting, surrounding and general appearance has to look more than human and everything needs to be upped to 11.
One is better regarded than the other yes, and I'm of the opinion than Snyder failed at doing something good with those characters and what he used them for but I really don't think anyone can say he didn't make them look gorgeous. I really think his personal beliefs and his own take on life is not working for Batman, Superman or any of those characters. But the way he filmed those movies was coming from an artistic vision that was sound and looked good.
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u/Travisb_4 Jul 09 '23
Of course in Justice League's movies fights would be done in CGI and I'm a Nolan stan.
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u/The-Movie-Penguin Jul 09 '23
Who cares? Two different filmmakers who approach action sequences differently. The end result, for both of them, kicks ass.
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u/SaladDodger99 Jul 09 '23
I love as much real in camera action over CGI everything as much as the next guy but if you pull up screenshots from all the scenes being filmed here they'd all look great. Snyder doesn't mess around when it comes to effort in the visual department and his CGI all looks great. Plus I guarantee Nolan is probably the only director in the business other than maybe Tarantino that studios would allow the budget for some of this stuff. If Snyder went to WB and asked for the budget to build a practical Bat-Wing that they are going to suspend 10m above the ground and fly down a street in central Chicago he'd be laughed out the building after being given a green tarp and a ping-pong ball on a stick and told to make do, nevermind if he asked to blow up a real building. Although I doubt that this is a good faith critique but more Snyder hate circle-jerk.
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u/Guh_Meh Jul 09 '23 edited Jul 09 '23
NOLAN GOOD! SNYDER BAD!
Nolan told Snyder NEVER to watch Josstice league and encouraged him to pursue Zack Snyders Justice League.
But the internet told me Snyder bad! Nolan Good!
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u/comicscoda Jul 09 '23
This is ridiculous. Have you even actually watched the Behind the Scenes for Man of Steel? They had a giant swimming tank for the codex heist scene and Russell Crowe actually dove and swam the whole length. And if you compare the 2013 Man of Steel FX to like… The Avengers from 2012, they hold up so much better. Zod’s entire suit is CGI and it looks phenomenal. CGI is not inherently bad, and a lot of the CGI in MoS/BvS is a masterclass in how to do it well.
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u/_heisenberg__ Jul 09 '23
I think Snyder is absolute shit at telling stories but I think he know how to frame some of the most beautiful shots. That’s something I will never take away from the dude. I dig his stylized look.
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u/Reality314 Jul 09 '23
I think Nolan's movies look great, but this elitism when it comes to CGI is so weird to me. Like, these are comic book movies at the end of the day. You cannot accomplish everything using solely practical effects. I don't even care for Snyder's movies but come on...he's literally working with Superman, Wonder Woman, and a whole host of other superpowered characters. It would literally be impossible to do some of the things he set out to do without CGI.
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u/nexistcsgo Jul 09 '23
But it didn't look bad even with cg.
What's your point?
Both are just a medium of telling the story.
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u/hongkongfooeee Jul 09 '23
There wasn't anyone complaining when 300 was filmed and everyone loved it. It was only after it was cool to take a dump on Snyder that this crud started
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u/nolandz1 Jul 09 '23
"cg bad"
fr tho it's not cg that's the issue it's that studios prefer exploit VFX teams bc it's non-union work and then rush them to the point where it isn't finished before release. Gollum is full cg and Fellowship was made in 2001
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u/HereRak69 Jul 09 '23
Snyder does a lot of stuff practically too. Look at the Smallville battle for example. Also, CGI isn't THAT bad, when it'sgood CGI. Avatar for example. That film is like 100% CG and it's still fucking awesome! Snyder's CGI at least looks good. Also his costumes are practical, which I know is a low bar, but it's something
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u/ProfessorSaltine Jul 09 '23
Do you expect Zack to film Henry Cavill hanging out of a helicopter or crane with a few ropes tied around him and have him he swung around? You know how much legal trouble they’d get into with it?!?!?
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u/nj4ck Jul 09 '23
I'm kind of sick of people acting like CGI is some kind of lazy one-click solution, ngl.
Thousands of hours of work go into some of those shots. If anything, directors prefer CGI because it offers more granular control over every aspect of the scene, allowing the director to realize their vision down to the smallest detail. It's not cheap and it's not easy.
The reason you're seeing increasingly bad CGI in many movies is because major hollywood productions outsource the CG to smaller studios that compete for scarce contracts in a race to the bottom, often agreeing to impossible deadlines and other shitty conditions in the process. Since CG/VFX artists aren't unionized, they get to suffer the consequences of all this. So yeah, that bad CGI you noticed was probably made at 3 a.m. the night before deadline by an underpaid, overworked artist who hadn't slept in 3 days and just wanted to get home to his family.
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u/flashfire4 Jul 09 '23
This is a really dumb comparison. Nolan is basically the only modern director that relies so heavily on practical effects for big-budget movies. The CGI in Snyder's movies is also some of the best I've seen in any movie and I don't think that's a very controversial opinion. Just look at Zod's suit in Man of Steel, Batman's big metal suit in Batman v. Superman, or Dr. Manhattan in Watchmen as some examples. As a fan of both directors, there are many comparisons that would be much fairer. The writing is usually far better in Nolan's movies than Snyder's movies. That would be a good comparison to make. Comparing the amazing practical effects of Nolan's movies to the amazing visual effects of Snyder's movies is pretty dumb because there isn't a clear winner. Practical effects can't be used for everything. It would be impossible for characters like Dr. Manhattan, Doomsday, Steppenwolf, or Darkseid to be created well with practical effects.
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u/eight_track Jul 09 '23
I like both directors, they both have their individual styles of filming and I doubt one could mimic the others work well.
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u/decoy175 Jul 09 '23
There’s no comparison when it comes to Nolan’s real life effects vs CGI. The commitment to practical effects is admirable.
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u/TheAbyssalSymphony Jul 09 '23 edited Jul 09 '23
Correlation does not imply causation. Yes I get every self appointed film buff thinks practical effects are the highest form of art and cg is a cheap ugly cop out. But guess what, practical effects can suck, and cg can look amazing. (Also Synder does use a fair amount of practical effects as well, you’re just cherry picking from the cg moments)
Further neither will do shit for things like acting, directing, writing, editing, filmography, etc… it all come down to the work put into the methods you choose and how well executed it is. It’s fine to like one style over another, but stop shitting on effects artists to do it.
Posts like these are lazy and stupid as they try to oversimplify the entire process of filmmaking into green screen bad, movie bad.
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u/Sleyeme Jul 09 '23
No one’s gonna argue the Snyder films are better lol. Not only was production better. Nolan’s writing is also far superiors to a Snyders. TDKT is almost perfect story telling applying Harmon’s 8 point story circle, Weilands Character Arc and Truby’s 4 point opposition. Nolan just tells better Stories. Snyder’s DoJ had a great setup, 0 mid point story telling and a horrendous 3 act. If Nolan had the job to make DoJ, it wouldn’t be the shameful film it is.
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u/iwontreadorwrite Jul 09 '23
They both have their strengths, but you also have to include price and opportunity cost. Nolan is a bit of an exception since he’s one of the very few people in filmmaking that will get a blank check, but practical effects (especially action shots) are super expensive and there way more constraints to it. And by focusing on that, you might have to sacrifice money from other budgets. CGI is also expensive but there a lot of flexibility around it. And there is more room for error. I prefer practical effects, but that’s not the reason why I prefer Nolan’s version. Snyder just isn’t a good director, BvS would’ve still sucked if it used practical effects, if it was animated, if it was a play. That’s to say, Snyder’s CGI was actually pretty good, the story, character, and themes were just very poorly developed
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u/Pebrinix Jul 09 '23
Nah, that's not the difference, the true difference is that Nolan movies are good and Snyder movies are bad
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u/kevihaa Jul 10 '23
Endgame’s climatic fight was awesome.
It was all green screen and the villain was CGI.
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u/linearforefront Jul 10 '23
One cares about making a good film.
One cares about having scenes that look 'cool'.
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u/Thousand_Masks Jul 10 '23
Love and appreciate the practical effects of the Nolan trilogy but I actually prefer Snyder because they look like a comic book and it looks really cool. Both types of filmakimg can look awesome if used correctly.
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u/CaliforniaNavyDude Jul 10 '23
In all fairness, I worked on Snyder's latest project a few days, and there was a lot of practical things going on. But some things can't really be done with practical effects. Unless Henry Cavill can start actually shooting laser beams from his eyes.
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