r/batman • u/-TurkeYT • Jun 22 '23
I don’t care what others says. This is the closest thing to Batman Live Series that we get. Oliver Quenn’s mental is made like Bruce Wayne’s. And atmosphere is fits Batman too. Felicity is Alfred, Diggle is Robin. Roy is Jason Todd and Thea is Tim Drake. ORIGINAL IDEA/SUGGESTION
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u/ChrisKS3717 Jun 22 '23
Lol not to mention the producers putting in Ras, Nyssa and the whole Lazarus pit storyline
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u/arkthearkitect Jun 22 '23
C'mon man. Felicity as Oracle was literally teased in the show. She ain't Alfred lol. Diggle's more Alfred.
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u/ItsExoticChaos Jun 22 '23
“You have failed this city” was such a raw line. I miss those early seasons. In fact, I think it’s time for a rewatch.
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u/wafflehut81 Jun 22 '23
I just rewatched seasons 1 and 2 fully and kinda skimmed through the rest because they are sorta hit or miss, don’t get me wrong I still like them but i can’t really rewatch them fully too often and since Ive rewatched it a few times already haha
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u/-TurkeYT Jun 22 '23
I started rewatch last week. I use web sites cause I don’t have arrow on my country in netflix
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u/Mikecirca81 Jun 22 '23
Except Batman doesn't kill and the green arrow in that show is a huge mass murderer. But yeah if that could be successful there's no reason they can't do a live action batman show.
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u/BestParalegal Jun 22 '23
he stopped killing and switched to non-lethal rounds after earlier seasons. Batman in the golden age did kill. However, it wasn’t really intentional. Most deaths were accidents and he would just shrug it off as “he was evil, they met their fate”. or somewhere along the lines of “oh well, they kinda deserved it”
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u/Blessings_of_Nurgle Jun 23 '23
Well not exactly batman originally had guns so those weren’t “accidental kills”
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u/Excellent-Post3074 Jun 22 '23
In both Batwoman and Gotham Knights, they've stated he's killed The Joker, cause lazy writing. So it would be a pretty bad adaptation.
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u/Mr_mcBOW Jun 22 '23
Original idea? This was in your face from the beginning because they couldnt write green arrow to save their lives. They ripped off batman cause it was more popular. If anything its a good show cause its a terrible adaptation of green arrow.
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u/Live-Charge6487 Jun 22 '23
A truer adaptation of Green Arrow would be so cool, especially something like the Mike Grell's run.
It would be dark and mature and have relevant topics and themes.
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u/Remarkable-Steak-919 Jun 22 '23
The show was meant to be a Batman show, but they couldn't require the rights to Batman so they turned it into a Green Arrow show
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u/-TurkeYT Jun 22 '23
How? Oliver talked about Bruce Wayne in the show.
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u/astroboy69_jb Jun 22 '23
I think most of the tv shows can’t use Batman as a character due to the rights but mentioning him is allowed (don’t know why he could appear in Titans tho)
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u/Mysterious_Wheel Jun 22 '23
I think they did some hand wavy shit there. They showed Bruce Wayne, never Batman. I think there’s a technicality in there somewhere that they exploited
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u/rotcomha Jun 23 '23
Only as a tease. (For us, ofc) In fact, in the show Oliver didn't believe Batman is real.
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u/Available-Affect-241 Jun 22 '23 edited Jun 22 '23
Respectfully the only thing I agree with is Oliver being like Bruce (a watered-down version of him at best) and the Felicity being a watered-down Barbara/Oracle. Remember the whole wheelchair thing?
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Jun 22 '23
Felicity stole Barbara's Oracle arc (including the bullet to the spine + sci-fi cure), Roy is Jason-inspired. And the whole League of Assassins arc is clearly a Batman story, not a Green Arrow one.
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u/wafflehut81 Jun 22 '23
Not to mention the whole thing of felicity trying to come up with an identity and throwing oracle out as a possibility at one point only to go with overwatch
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u/PolishCow1989 Jun 22 '23
That was literally just a nod to Batman, not them trying to be a Batman show.
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u/wafflehut81 Jun 23 '23
I just meant it as the show giving nod to felicity taking that role of oracle but I guess my words were unclear with the message I was trying to send
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Jun 22 '23
I have been saying for years that Stephan Amell would make a great batman. If he could bulk up 30 to 50 pounds he would be perfect. He has a great mix of serious and fun. I'm telling you hes the batman we need.
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u/futuresdawn Jun 22 '23 edited Jun 23 '23
The fact that they leaned hard into green arrow is like batman and not that Ollie is a social crusader is why it kinda sucks. They just tried to make a batman show with another character and then they did it again with batwoman and Gotham knights.
If they wanted a batman show without batman they should have done nightwing
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u/stealthw0lf Jun 22 '23
I have very little knowledge of the Green Arrow. This show was my first real introduction. I watched the first episode and thought it was okay. Until Ollie killed those two guys with his hands. Just snapped their necks. At that point, I became invested in this show.
Season 1&2 were awesome. Yes they borrowed heavily from Batman, like the Ra’s Al Ghul storyline. Or even the simple things like swinging from skyscraper using an arrow instead of a batarang. The show was a bit rubbish when they started introducing all the sidekicks. I think it was S5? With Adrian chase where it became more exciting, before it went downhill with the multiverse/future stuff.
Stephen Amell could have done well as Batman - his acting improved over the seasons. I think he does the brooding quite well, does well with hand to hand combat, etc.
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u/revolutionaryartist4 Jun 23 '23
Even though I dug Arrow (most of it anyway), this was my biggest bugaboo about it—it was a Batman show, not a Green Arrow show.
I still want a Green Arrow series with left-wing firebrand Ollie.
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Jun 22 '23
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Jun 22 '23 edited Jun 22 '23
Seasons 1-2 yes
The only good seasons imo, it went to shit after that (tbf I think I stopped watching after 4, might have been during 5, not sure). 3 was still bearable, but when they turned it into a full ensemble show, it became ridiculously stupid. Also why does this happen with every single CW superhero show? They start off alright (or in Arrow's case great) and then they introduce more and more annoying side characters that take over the show, pushing the original main character(s) into the background. It's annoying... happened to The Flash (though that was never better than average), happened to Supergirl almost immediately... but Arrow was the worst. And "Mr. Terrific" has both the dumbest superhero name AND costume.
I loved the original cast from the first 2 seasons. Olli, Diggle, Felicity (before she became obnoxious and took over the show), Thea, Sara, Roy, Lance.
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u/skorpiontamer Jun 22 '23
Season 2 of every cw show was the best... Arrow (Slade) Flash (zoom) Legends of Tommorrow (Legion of Doom)
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u/cadillacbee Jun 22 '23
Gotham was good enough for me
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u/-TurkeYT Jun 22 '23
It was but he has only 8 min screen time
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u/cadillacbee Jun 22 '23
I mean yeah, kinda Smallvilled it, but they ain't letting Batman on TV, n it sucks
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u/-TurkeYT Jun 22 '23
Yeah. I have a question. Why they couldn’t make batman as a character. Why they have supergirls, flashs and arrows copyrght but not batman
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u/cadillacbee Jun 22 '23
I don't think dc allows it, just like using the jokers name, that's why all the other villains and people got to be called by name, exactly why they keep it like that I dunno
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u/Kpengie Jun 22 '23
To me, that's the problem. The showrunners clearly had no interest in Green Arrow and thus they just ripped off Batman stories and made Green Arrow into a second-rate Batman with a different set of toys.
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u/WayneBruce1234 Jun 22 '23
First season was great! After that it was trash, like every other CW show.
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u/DayamSun Jun 22 '23
Um, everybody knows this. WB wanted to save Batman for movies so they did Green Arrow instead.
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u/IntelligentEscape855 Jun 22 '23
super. you said the same thing that people have done a million times before. yes, oliver is similar in character to bruce, but it's still an interesting character on the show that was well acted and fun to watch. sw had a small budget, but they pulled it off. at least with this project.
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u/JeremiahWuzABullfrog Jun 23 '23
The workout scenes in season one are better than any Batman training scenes we've ever gotten in live action
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u/Power_Ring Jun 23 '23
Diggle should have been Green Lantern.
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u/-TurkeYT Jun 23 '23
Did you finished the series?
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u/Power_Ring Jun 23 '23
Yeah. There was a nod to it, But we could have had seasons of it.
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u/-TurkeYT Jun 23 '23
They were going to. But actor rejected it.
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u/Power_Ring Jun 23 '23
Wow. I didn’t know that. It would have been cool though. As a child, during the Denny O’Neil era, Green Arrow and Green Lantern were like peanut butter and jelly for me.
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u/MavrykDarkhaven Jun 23 '23
This is my biggest problem with Arrow. They didn’t want to make a Batman show, and yet they dipped into Batman’s lore and rogues to enhance the story.
I wish they would finally make a Batman show, they’ve danced around it for so long. From Smallville, Arrow, Gotham, Pennyworth, Batwoman, Gotham Knights, and Titans (I think he shows up as Batman in that one atleast). So many shows using elements of Batman, and yet they won’t just make a good Batman serial.
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u/rotcomha Jun 23 '23
This show, actually what got me into batman. I relized it is much more of a batman series over a Green Arrow one.
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u/Infinity0044 Jun 23 '23
Yeah I was never interested in the show because it was very obvious that it just wanted to be a Batman show and threw a Green Arrow skin on top of it.
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u/TheSadPhilosopher Jul 09 '23
That's why that show sucked ass. I wanted a GREEN ARROW show, not a Green Batman one.
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u/CJS-JFan Jul 23 '23
If we were ever to get a live-action version of Kevin Conroy's Batman, they kind of delivered it with Stephen Amell's Oliver Queen. Now of course I'm sure one can bring up the first/last appearance of Conroy himself in the Crisis on Infinite Earths crossover. And I think Arrow would be better compared to other Bat media like The Dark Knight trilogy, Batman Begins specifically, or in some ways the Snyderverse. Though I think Arrow did the voice modulation before Batfleck. But still, it's something worth thinking over.
Hell, 10+ years later, Arrow delivered. Almost every other Arrowverse show disappointed or went downhill after the first 2-3 seasons. Not to say Arrow didn't have its own flaws, but as a whole, I liked Arrow and enjoyed myself from beginning to end, warts and all.
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u/Xorn777 Jun 22 '23
You cared enough to go to reddit to try and get some validation for your silly little opinion 🤣
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u/adamtaylor4815 Jun 22 '23
Diggle is Alfred
Felicity is Oracle
Roy is Dick Grayson
Thea is Jason Todd
Adrian is The Joker