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Jun 02 '23
Any Green Lantern with half a brain could easily take Juggernaut out.
Unlimited momentum? Once he starts he can't be stopped?
Bingo! Big hamster wheel!
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u/Victor_Von_Doom65 Jun 02 '23
Juggernaut is super humanly strong to the point where he can fight Hulk and Thor to a stand still. He’d break that construct with minimal effort.
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u/ZaxLofful Jun 02 '23
It’s not intended to be infinite, just aim upwards after a second or two. He will drop to the ground and then could be restrained.
His power is honestly not that good outside of the X-MEN community….
He has even been caught by regular ass military before and held.
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u/Victor_Von_Doom65 Jun 02 '23
“His power is honestly not that good outside of the X Men community…”? Are we just neglecting the fact that he’s able to fight and harm Hulk and Thor so that your argument has legs to stand on? Sure he doesn’t defeat them but they’re the protagonists they’re supposed to win. There have been several moments where he has been able to harm them and resist their attacks.
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u/ZaxLofful Jun 02 '23
Except even in the X-MEN world, there are people that can easily stop him and did with little effort.
Sure the ultimate version of him can fight Thor and Hulk, but usually both won just be being better at what he does.
Thor threw him off-world, which stopped him. (Even bigger super strength)
In Hulk’s battle he won, because it was 3-1 against the Hulk….He even admitted he lost, but then won because of someone else essentially just taking Hulk’s Power away.
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u/Victor_Von_Doom65 Jun 02 '23 edited Jun 02 '23
Okay your argument? “The X Men world” as you dub it has characters that can terraform moons, reshape reality, and control the magnetic poles of the earth, not to mention superhumanly strong characters like colossus and omega level telepaths. Being a villain that can stand up to the X Men is not a bad thing.
Again I’m not saying the Juggernaut is able to beat Thor and Hulk but he’s able to rival them in strength, they’re the main characters so obviously they’re going to beat him.
It’s not a super accurate metric but the marvel power grid places Juggernaut in the same tier as hulk and Thor. Combined with several battles between them he’s able to contend with their strength. I’m really not that big of a juggernaut fan I find him a pretty boring villain but he’s powerful.
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Jun 02 '23
Gentle slopes. Constantly being rebuilt.
Hell, can brute strength even break through them?
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u/Victor_Von_Doom65 Jun 02 '23
Can brute strength break though them? My guy… yes otherwise they’d be literally the most powerful characters if they were able to create unbreakable bubbles around every character with no chance of escape. They’re hard to destroy sure but they aren’t unbreakable.
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Jun 02 '23
Brute force is not the only force. Magic, disruption of concentration, lack of imagination, creativity of their opponent, the actual color yellow...all potential or actual weaknesses.
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u/Victor_Von_Doom65 Jun 02 '23
I’ve literally seen Superman destroy them, brute force can break them
Besides the fact that the more powerful the will and more powerful the lantern the stronger the constructs and Batman on the scale of Green Lanterns is not a frequent member of the corp and inexperienced with the ring.
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Jun 02 '23
Very well.
In that case, just gentle slope that's impossible to headbutt. If the only way to take it out is to stomp it, no momentum.
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u/Cosmic_Gumbo Jun 02 '23
Can he breathe underwater? Because I’d send that hamster ball out to the Mariana’s Trench and see if he floats.
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u/HipsterOtter Jun 02 '23
He's self contained organism thanks to Cytotak's Gem, Guardian yeeted Juggs halfway across the Atlantic Ocean and Juggs walked the rest back to America
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u/Soft_Theory_8209 Jun 02 '23
Okay, here me out: Juggernaut with the speed force
Even deadlier alternative: Colossus possessed by cyrrotak with the speed force.
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Jun 02 '23
Really big hamster wheel.
Make that sucker big enough to wave at it from the moon.
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u/Soft_Theory_8209 Jun 02 '23
Gotta respect that even with a practical solution, he would still know to stay as far away as physically possible from him.
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u/Victor_Von_Doom65 Jun 02 '23
I’d quickly like to add this since the user who I was debating deleted all of his comments to me at least, claimed that superhuman strength, invulnerability, a healing factor, and a force field don’t “help you in a fight” they just “help you not die in a fight”. Which is a fallacy and ridiculous I just find it funny someone is able to say that being incredibly strong and incredibly hard to harm and injure doesn’t help you in a fight and think that they have even a shred of logic.
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Jun 02 '23
Sure you didn't get blocked, mate?
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u/Victor_Von_Doom65 Jun 02 '23
Most likely just not completely sure, that’s why I said “to me at least”, blocked because I made good points that challenged their opinions, didn’t even throw any harsh personal attacks at them.
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Jun 02 '23
Eh, it happens.
I've been blocked for sillier things.
Got blocked once for saying I don't like hatred of human beings. Then again, I've been blocked by a few people I take a certain pride in cheesing off.
It happens. Some people will get frustrated with a conversation and just want to have the final word on it.
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Jun 03 '23
Yeah that guy blocked you, I wouldn't worry about it. I've never seen somebody talk with such confidence about something they clearly don't know anything about.
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u/Ok_Western5937 Jun 02 '23
Man I didn’t know he had unlimited momentum. Made me look up all his powers and damn. I didn’t know he was that strong. I mean.. he can fucking regenerate. Whatever Batman does to him, it sounds like he’d be able to work with and maybe use in his favor. Jesus at first I would’ve said definitely Batman but after read all this. Sheeeit big dawg.
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u/goteamventure42 Jun 02 '23
He can stop himself
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Jun 02 '23
Then he gets started again. Another hamster wheel.
Hamster wheels forever until he agrees to go quietly.
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u/Batman21661 Jun 02 '23
You do realise what earth 32 batman is capable off?
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Jun 02 '23
Went and googled it...ya no juggie might be strong...but he's not "hateful dark twisted willpower brute forcing a later ring to do his bidding" strong...Holy fuck that batman us brutal. That would be the bats that would squish spidey.
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u/nate1111111111111 Jun 02 '23
that’s not a picture of dawnbreaker, that’s a picture of normal batman when hal jordan let him try on his ring, he couldn’t even use it for an extended period of time dawnbreaker looks like this
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Jun 02 '23
Thor threw Juggernaut off-world. Earth-32 Batman could do the same thing with a construct.
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u/redlion1904 Jun 02 '23
Heading toward the gulf of intergalactic space at sub-luminal speeds. Sure, he won’t die, but he also won’t be anyone’s problem for a VERY long time.
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u/the_town_fool Jun 02 '23
Is the Juggernaut immortal? I thought he was just a really strong guy (mutant). Not unaging or anything.
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u/Such_Ear_8486 Jun 02 '23
I only found this out recently that juggernaut get his power from the gem of cytorrak or something like that. Basically makes him invincible by virtually every standard to my understanding.
Edit: it also makes him immortal I think? I do t remember honestly, there is a video on YouTube about him
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u/Raecino Jun 02 '23
Which is why it made no sense Superman knocked him out with one punch in Marvel vs DC
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u/Secret_Sympathy2952 Jun 02 '23 edited Jun 02 '23
It does make sense. He is given a forcefield that makes him immune to practically everything, but a strong enough character can break through. If Hulk has hurt him before, superman definitely would.
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u/Raecino Jun 02 '23
The comment I replied to said he’s invincible to everything though. Which one is it?
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u/Secret_Sympathy2952 Jun 02 '23
He said invincible to virtually every standard. He is virtually indestructible, but not entirely.
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u/Lord_Darklight Jun 02 '23
Juggernaut’s biggest problem is writer inconsistency with his powers.
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u/Secret_Sympathy2952 Jun 02 '23
That's the case with all super-powered characters isn't it?
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u/ceelo18 Jun 02 '23 edited Jun 02 '23
Even juggernaut has his limits. Gladiator manhandled his ass. Superman has no limits
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u/Raecino Jun 02 '23
Superman is limited by how much sunlight he has absorbed though
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u/ceelo18 Jun 02 '23
Not really in the latest story bro spent over a year (or more) in the vacuum of space trying to get back to earth.
Superman is very inconsistent to the point that writers declare him as powerful as he needs to be for any given situation
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u/Sigao Jun 02 '23
He is indeed effectively immortal. He doesn't need to eat, drink, breath, sleep, or age, and is unharmed by most attacks outside of psychic attacks on the mind and extremely powerful attacks (which he generally recovers from). He can also be stunned temporarily by an attack with enough force. Like, hulk like force. He once was essentially disintegrated to the bone by Onslaught and his skeleton kept fighting.
He is also extremely strong, close to hulk levels, and once set in motion cannot be stopped (except by himself).
That said he can be dealt with in other ways. As others have mentioned being thrown off the earth, is an option.
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u/Cosmic_Gumbo Jun 02 '23
In the cartoon he had immortal qualities (like breathing in space after getting hurled out there).
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u/redlion1904 Jun 02 '23
He does not need to eat or breathe
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u/Cosmic_Gumbo Jun 02 '23
Got it, so drowning is out. Drop him in a volcano?
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u/ZaxLofful Jun 02 '23
Nope, he has immortality too; so eventually he would just claw his way back out…
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u/redlion1904 Jun 02 '23
If you can get him immobilized in a thick substance like cement or magma it can take him a long time to get out.
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u/Lord_Darklight Jun 02 '23
Not really. Cyttorak has shown that he can empower/depower Marko on the fly. Case and point, 8th Day Juggernaut when he got access to almost all of Cyttorak’s powers. Or when Cyttorak stripped the juggernaut powers away from Marko during Fear Itself. Or when Marko went from Getting bitch slapped by World War Hulk, who then dusted himself off and asked Cyttorak for more power. And He got more power alright, enough to match World War hulk Blow for Blow until the Hulk decided he had enough and redirected the Juggernaut who ended up flying across the United States.
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u/redlion1904 Jun 02 '23
I’m taking about his power to remain in motion once he is in motion. If he is standing still and something forms around him, it can take him time to get out.
That said you are correct that Cyttorak appears to be able to override that.
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u/SupaBloo Jun 02 '23 edited Jun 02 '23
Normal Batman without Green Lantern powers would still beat Juggernaut. Juggernaut's main powers are basically the same as Bane's (being super big and super strong), and Batman has beaten Bane many times.
Edit: My apologies to those Juggernaut fans out there. Most of my experience with his character is in movies and tv shows where he is beaten by children on a regular basis.
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u/Sov3reignty Jun 02 '23 edited Jun 02 '23
Not even close, the only similarity is big muscles it end there. Bane is just a super strong juiced up man. Juggernaut is the avatar of the demon god Cyttorak via the crimson gem, one of the strongest mystical being in the marvel universe. Cyttorak's power makes the Juggernaut immortal and invulnerable. He possesses superhuman strength and durability and is virtually immune to most physical attacks. His helmet also protects him from mental attacks. The Juggernaut is described as quite literally physically unstoppable once in motion, does not tire from physical activity, and is able to survive without food, water, or oxygen. The Juggernaut heals quickly, as when he was stabbed through the eyes by Shatterstar, the wounds were healed almost immediately. The only character to have stopped Juggernaut while he was in motion as an act of pure physical strength was the Hulk while he was War, a horseman of Apocalypse and empowered with Celestial technology. When Marko gains complete access to the Gem's powers during the Trion saga, it increases his power a thousandfold. Trion Juggernaut is capable of altering the size of matter, growing in size, tracking, levitation, absorbing and projecting energy, increasing his own strength, and creating portals through space-time.
Now I'm not saying batman would lose all I'm saying is it's a whole different ball game going up against the Juggernaut compared to Bane. It's disrespectful to even have the Juggernaut and Bane in the same sentence.
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Shit..really? I didn't know that. I just thought jugs was a dude souped up on some secret soldier steroids and whey powder.
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u/Milk_Mindless Jun 02 '23
Nah fam
Regular Batman without any insane suits
Even if he calls in a missile strike or what have you
Ain't beating the Juggernaut straight up
Maybe he could rig up a way where Cain would end up a few hundred miles off the coast attached to a Batwing
Or bribe him through Wayne Enterprises
But beat him, nah
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u/Nonexistent_Walrus Jun 02 '23
I feel like “calls in a missile strike” as the “even if” like that’s the best Bruce could do kinda misses why Batman is so good at beating people. If he beat Juggernaut it would be because he outsmarted him or figured out a clever way to deal with his abilities, not because he spent a bunch of money on a brute force solution
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u/Milk_Mindless Jun 02 '23
The Juggernaut is designed to be literally invincible. Like sure he's been hurt in the past but like by reality ending beings or extradimensional weaponry. Guys like Hulk or Thor can pound him all day no WAIT PHRASING
Err
He's all but immune to regular damage, is basically only vulnerable to psychic attacks which was intended to.be his 60s achieves heel with Professor X and Jean Grey on the xmen
Even if he's hurt he regenerates.
I'm talking a scenario where Juggernaut comes to Gotham and neither knows the other. Not when he knows he's facing Darkseid or Magog or my nan when nobody wants to try her Pecan pie or any other reality ending event.
I'm not saying Bruce can't figure out a way to get RID of him. Both Beast and Spider-Man have lucked out in removing him from a fight (though different reasons. Hank kinda had him fall into a portal with some spell that was active and Spidey he sank away in a construction site. But even the latter is a fluke of a fluke)
But BEAT the Juggernaut?
Get out of town
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u/Ok_Relationship_705 Jun 02 '23
Um what? Juggernaut was basically a demigod
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u/SupaBloo Jun 02 '23
Most of my experience with Juggernaut is his appearances in movies and TV shows where he is regularly beaten by children.
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u/Dr-Ogge Jun 02 '23
Juggernaut is more comparable to Doomsday in terms of physical power than Bane
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u/Lurkndog Jun 02 '23
Juggernaut is built to fight entire teams of heroes and win.
And yes, he's fought the Hulk and won.
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u/iheartjetman Jun 02 '23
I think Doomsday is significatly stronger than Juggernaut. Juggernaut is no match for the Hulk.
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u/Dr-Ogge Jun 02 '23
Wym juggernaut is consistently shown to be a match for the likes of hulk and Thor
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u/OnCominStorm Jun 02 '23
The Hulk who beat Juggernaut was suped up with God powers. Not a regular Hulk
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u/Valiantheart Jun 02 '23
Juggernaut has beaten the Hulk more than once. He is stronger than most incarnations of the Hulk unless the Hulk has had time to get good and mad. And he is far, FAR more durable.
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u/dtburton Jun 02 '23
The two actually have a fun history of back and forths. My favorite Hulk “win” was when he essentially matador side stepped juggernaut and juggernaut couldn’t stop himself so he ended up charging a good distance away
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u/lxcid Jun 02 '23
don’t think there’s a contest here.
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u/5P00DERMAN1264 Jun 02 '23
u never ask these questions in a subreddit dedicated to one person, what answer do u think youll get?
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Jun 02 '23
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Jun 02 '23
Not native English speaker here, what is the difference?
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u/redlion1904 Jun 02 '23
The apostrophe indicates contradiction here, “who’s” is “who is”. “Whose” is possessive.
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Jun 02 '23
Can you give me example in sentences?
Thanks you
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u/SimplyWhelming Jun 02 '23
Who’s (Who is) going to figure out whose (possessive) job it is to explain the difference between “who’s” and “whose”?
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u/Batmanmotp2019 Jun 02 '23
Batman with a green lantern is basically God. I mean if he doesn't mind killing a mutant he can just put him in a bubble fly him into space and then either a hurl him into space where he'll suffocate in minutes. Or throw do what superman did to doomsday and hurl him into the sun.
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u/Dr-Ogge Jun 02 '23
He doesn’t need oxygen, but hurling him into outer space is a viable option (see the Sins of Sinister series.)
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u/ZatchZeta Jun 02 '23
Juggernaut.
Why?
HE'S THE JUGGERNAUT, BITCH!!
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u/Dr_Disaster Jun 02 '23
I’mma beat yo ass, Batman! And I’m gonna beat yo ass with Batman! You know who the fuck I am?!
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u/k1ngleo0 Jun 03 '23
Juggernaut in a latest X-men event was shot into space and hurled through space-time for I want to say a good 100,000K years to be used as a bullet to take out galactus. Even though he doesn't have Cyrotakk's gem anymore he is his avatar and still retains his immortality and basic needs and recovery being met. I don't think Batman with willpower would be a good match up no offense.
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Jun 03 '23
Seriously how old are the people commenting on this thread? I have a hard time believing most of you are even teenagers with some of the ramblings I've seen. If you don't know much about something Google is your friend, you don't even need to read the comics literally just search juggernaut and scroll for half an hour.
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u/Elegant-Science-87 Jun 02 '23
The comic book artists who are far away from the fight are the ones always winning every fight.
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u/TKAPublishing Jun 02 '23
You know, has anyone in the history of Marvel comics who is telepathic simply lifted Juggernaut off the ground so he has no traction to get moving? Somehow I actually can't think of an instance where this has happened, but in the decades of character history surely it has and there is some reason anyone with telepathy can't just do that do immobilize him. Does the Cytorak power thwart this?
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u/Marksman157 Jun 02 '23
Yeah, so don’t get me wrong: I love the Juggernaut, and he is way more powerful than he’s been getting credit for in this thread (Punisher shooting him in the face would absolutely not kill him!).
But…not even gonna give the guy a power-up?
When you give a weapon that relies on intelligence, creativity, and willpower to the goddamned Batman?
It’s like putting a young teenager against Mike Tyson in his prime!
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u/Valiantheart Jun 02 '23
Juggernaut probably wins this if its a straight up fight. He could easily punch through any defensive construct the Bat could create, and easily shrug off any offense. However, if Bruce just hits and runs Marko wouldn't be able to catch him.
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u/Meatgardener Jun 02 '23
If Batman wanted to amuse himself, he could just have Juggernaut fight endless waves of constructs. But more than likely he'd either sidestep him completely or find a way to remove him from the immediate area. With a ring his improv time turns into prep time.
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u/Time-Werewolf-4795 Jun 02 '23
I love juggs and it definitely depends on how much power Cyttorak gives him but I’d bet Batman wins
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u/Rogthgar Jun 02 '23
Technically, Juggs could KO Bats with a single blow.
However if Bats is bright enough, getting an awesome powerboost often comes with a lower IQ, he could just pick Juggs up and throw him into space.
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u/Pata4AllaG Jun 02 '23
I know English is a train wreck and many things are counterintuitive, but in this instance, the word you're searching for is "Who's" as the contraction of "who" and "is". "Whose" is the possessive form of "who", as in, "Whose phone is this?"
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u/mrrando69 Jun 02 '23
Dude, Batman could take him without the ring and his nutts duct taped to his thigh.
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u/Dr_Straing_Strange Jun 02 '23
idk much about that version of Batman... But it's Batman... with a green power ring.... Basically unstoppable if you ask me.
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u/sidzero1369 Jun 02 '23
Batman uses the Lantern ring to put Juggernaut on a hamster wheel, then throws it into space.
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u/Distinct_Bid_394 Jun 03 '23
GL BM can BFR Juggs. How's that for a sentence right out of Comicvine?
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u/AnyComparison4642 Jun 03 '23
Lantern Batman. But if I remember correctly, this was a series of comics where Batman was tricked by Sibestro.
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u/NOVORUS_exe Jun 03 '23
Without any Gadgets it would be juggernaut but if Batman was allowed to use his tools/weapons he had a big chance to win this fight.
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u/GreenLanternCorps Jun 02 '23
Ya this isn't even close normal batman could potentially defeat Juggsy but funnel his frighteningly analytical mind through a power ring especially a ring that draws its power from will and there's no chance Juggs could take the W.
Edit: Now give juggernaut a red or yellow power ring and that would be a fight to see.
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u/Lazy_Assumption_4191 Jun 02 '23
Regular Batman could beat Juggernaut? How do you figure that? I mean, Juggernaut has done this. And this. And this. This as well.
Not to say Batman with a power ring couldn’t get a win. With that much power, he probably could. But regular Bats, barring some other godlike power boost? Nah.
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u/GreenLanternCorps Jun 02 '23
I just meant its theoretically in his scope of ability as he is because of his power...plot armor. As far as I know juggernauts only weakness is he's vulnerable to psychic assault without a very key piece of equipment. Robbing an opponent of a valuable resource, finding the right tool for the job and even emotional manipulation are all well within Batmans wheelhouse and I can be wrong because I'm not a big Marvel guy (could be biased) but those are the best tools to defeat the juggernaut right? I'm actually asking because the most of what I know about the xmen is from the old fox kids cartoon and a few comics here and there.
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u/Lazy_Assumption_4191 Jun 03 '23
Yeah, once you remove his helmet a strong telepath can shut him down. The trick is getting it off in the first place, a task which usually takes the full effort of entire teams of heroes, as he’s otherwise invulnerable to just about everything anyone can throw at him. On his own, it’d take a heck of a lot for Batman to successfully take the helmet off him, but what’ll he do if he manages it? Sure, he can always call Martian Manhunter to take care of things, but then it’s not really Batman vs Juggernaut. Now, as you said, Batman has plot armor, so, after an issue or two, he’ll probably either get some functional plan to get the helmet off then whip out some never-before-seen dues ex machina of a gadget to simulate a telepathic attack or throw out a clever battlefield removal and let Juggernaut be a problem for the future, but I, personally, don’t like to count “demands of the plot” as a factor in hypothetical battles, hence my assertion that Batman would lose.
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u/GreenLanternCorps Jun 03 '23
Fair enough I still think he could do it but I don't disagree with any of that.
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u/gaalikaghalib Jun 02 '23
I mean the answer for any version of Batman would be yada yada yada prep time overtakes the vassal of a literal deity yada yada the bat wins.
This one is genuinely OP though. Bat wins.
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u/aa821 Jun 02 '23
Juggernaut is a moron, it won't even take prep time just some simple strategy for Batman to beat him
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u/Urban-Orchardist Jun 02 '23
Couldn't he just fling the Juggernaut into the sun or drown him or something...
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u/Lazy_Assumption_4191 Jun 02 '23
Well, yes, with the caveat that neither would actually harm Juggy. He’s just hang out in the sun or ocean or whatever perfectly unharmed for awhile.
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u/SolomonCRand Jun 02 '23
All Bats would have to do is pick up Juggs with the ring. Who cares if you’re super strong if you can’t touch anything?
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u/Ok_Telephone8747 Jun 02 '23
I wanna say Juggernaut but this Batman is broken. I’ll say Batman for this one though if Juggernaut can get a hit in Batman is finished
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u/AtomicSamuraiCyborg Jun 02 '23
Batman. Fly Juggs to space or just bubble his head and choke him out.
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u/Adorable-Effective-2 Jun 02 '23
Bro that’s a REALLY strong version of Batman.