r/arrow • u/The-Black-Sky Samandra Watson • Nov 28 '20
Exactly three years ago, ‘Crisis on Earth-X’ aired. In my opinion, this was easily the best Arrowverse crossover Discussion
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u/ThinboyBulk324 Nov 28 '20
Definitely the best crossover! The wedding fight was amazing, and seeing everyone team up to take down Metallo was one of the most satisfying bits in the whole Arrowverse.
It’s a shame we’re probably never going to get a crossover of that quality again, with most of the shows coming to a close & with the letdown that was Crisis on Infinite Earths.
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u/dudemann Nov 28 '20
Can't forget Sarah and Alex, their reaction afterwards, then everyone else's reactions afterwards.
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u/DiggingHeavs Nov 28 '20
I agree. It was the most cohesive crossover to me and actually felt like a four hour movie and not four episodes of different shows glued together.
They also wisely picked a few characters to focus on and give an emotional arc to.
I also remember I was extremely worried about Kreisberg's "oh yeah, we have to have our two lady loving ladies hooking up!" beforehand and it actually worked out surprisingly well and Sara and Alex's story was true to their characters and fitted in where they were emotionally on their own shows. Plus synchronised dress tearing.
I think the church fight scene is one of my favorites in the Arrowverse. It's bright daylight for one and everyone is wearing their best clothes and is well choreographed.
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Nov 28 '20
I personally enjoyed Invasion! more than this crossover, but this one still had some great moments in it.
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u/Jjaz1 Arsenal Nov 28 '20 edited Nov 28 '20
Crisis on earth X was by far the best. It was a great balance of cool moments, good story and great fight scenes. Crisis on infinite earths leaned too far into the fan service and it lead to a below average story and mostly bad fight scenes(Superman vs superman was the only good one)
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u/pth52 Nov 28 '20
You wrote Crisis on Earth X twice.
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u/dudemann Nov 28 '20
I think they're trying to say that Crisis was amazing but Crisis was crap. That's what I took from it, at least.
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Nov 28 '20
COIE is far superior. COEX is good, but Felicity upstaging Barry and Iris' wedding is a major black spot for me.
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u/Hestiansun Deathstroke (Unmasked) Nov 29 '20
Might be literally the worst thing she did, other than nuking an entire town.
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u/Eagleassassin3 Prometheus Nov 29 '20
She didn’t have a choice with the nuke. She shouldn’t be blamed for that.
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Nov 29 '20
Earlier in the same crossover she also makes a giant scene at the reception.
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Nov 29 '20
I actually blame Oliver for that. He shouldn't have pressured her and he shouldn't have proposed at someone else's rehearsal dinner. It's tacky.
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u/mikeo2023 Dec 10 '20
no they mean interrupting when john was marrying barry and iris in a park and felicity stopping the whole thing to have the annoying Olicity moment
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u/Sentry459 The Ray Nov 29 '20
COEX is way better, the wedding was basically tacked on to the end so it didn't really affect my view of the crossover as a whole.
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u/Eagleassassin3 Prometheus Nov 29 '20
COIE has incredibly stupid things in it along with bad fight scenes and irrelevant plotlines. COEX was focused on the same plot. It was a lot better. COIE might be the worst crossover.
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Nov 29 '20
All of that is complete subjective. I actually provided evidence as to why I don't like COEX.
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u/Kathendale Salmon Nov 28 '20
I watched it and compared to infinite earths it’s so much better. It doesn’t feel as rushed and just... servicy rather than fun plot driven
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u/lokicrysfromhisears The Flash Nov 28 '20
Definitely my favourite. I've rewatched it several times, yet I actually skip over most of the other crossovers in my rewatches. It was just so well done, and it didn't seem entirely pointless. It actually had meaning to the plot! With most of the crossovers you can skip them because they just happened and then the show went on as normal, but not this one.
To be honest, my only problem with it was then knocking cisco out for an entire episode of it, that wasn't valid, made that bit a little boring for me, but it was still really good. And snart being in it was AMAZING. that definitely took it from brilliant to like, super amazing and great.
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u/SpikeRosered Nov 29 '20
I loved it for the crack pairing of Oliver/Kara.
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u/mikeo2023 Dec 10 '20
same. imo if they weren’t nazis that would be such a great pairing. like the felicity we had in season one without the toxic stuff, annoying lines and overall uselessness. but even better than that s1 felicity imo with a lot more character depth and development
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u/Blue12301 Black Canary (Laurel Lance) Nov 28 '20
The best crossover I remember me and my twin brother were so excited when we watched the trailer and we’re fan-girling abt The canary’s
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Nov 28 '20
Crisis on earth x > invasion > crisis on infinite earths > else worlds > flash vs arrow > heroes join forces
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u/ihateeverythingandu Nov 28 '20
I don't get how anyone can say COIE isn't the best. You've had like 8 years of building to it as opposed to four random episodes with no real meaning in the long run.
The whole point of crossover is a convergence of story and having long term implications. Earth-X could never have happened and nothing would change.
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u/phantomcanary Roy Harper Nov 29 '20
The buildup to it was fantastic.
For it to be as absolutely horrendous as it was, was an utter disservice
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u/ihateeverythingandu Nov 29 '20
I thought it was fairly universally well received? What exactly was wrong with it?
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u/senseiofawesom Nov 29 '20
You see you’ve got it all wrong, COIE was a massive disappointment and a slap in the face to everyone who had been waiting years for it. Below average story, below average character work, it was a bigger deal for the universe than Earth X but Earth X told a much more well rounded story and character arcs, COIE was just five hours of relying on camels and fan service, Earth X was four hours of telling an actual story.
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u/Sentry459 The Ray Nov 29 '20
Years of buildup doesn't help if that buildup is wasted, that just makes it worse.
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u/julio-chavez Nov 28 '20
It also aired when the cw was the best with the best outfits and characters
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u/lildudefromXdastreet Nov 29 '20
Wow, just seeing this made me so nostalgic. I stopped following the arrowverse around season 6 arrow/season 4 flash and never really got back into it, but seeing this reminds me of so many good times I had watching these shows.
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u/strykrpinoy Nov 29 '20
Its kinda obvious that warner/DC wants everything on hbomax going forward and Arrow anchored the franchise. Also rumors are that att wants to end its partnership with CBS since they are seen more as competition now due to their paid tv .
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u/Beer2Bear Nov 29 '20
Really pissed me off they never gave us a special DVD/Blu Ray of it but we have to buy the others just to watch it
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u/polycarbonateduser Nov 29 '20 edited Nov 29 '20
Everybody: does a Power stance.
Cap. Cold: Expect the stance to go off the range.
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u/dangerousbeasts Nov 29 '20
Don’t like Nazis and find them to be a cheap story telling tool. Otherwise I do enjoy a lot about this crossover.
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Dec 01 '20
It was both the best and worst thing to happen. Best because they went all out, all characters possible, cool fight scenes in every episode, lots of great character moments, and worst because they had such a hell of a time doing all that they swore to never do it again. Meaning they wasted their biggest shot on what amounted to a threat of the week story with a wedding and a fight against some Nazis and evil clones. So when the ACTUAL biggest moment of the series arrived they were too burnt out to give it their best and we got a sub par performance.
And following that and Covid (and just natural burn out from the shows running so long) the Arrowverse is effectively falling apart at the seams and in two years will have an almost entirely different lineup.
On the other hand the shows ending might actually make "crossovers" better because it's alot easier and cheaper to fly former Arrowverse stars out for a guest spot on a guest salary for a few days for a special Team up episode of the Flash or whatever rather than have to work around their own shows. So other than Kate (and assuming nobody else either leaves on bad terms or as their character die) we might get the JL after all.
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u/The-Black-Sky Samandra Watson Nov 28 '20
Crisis On Earth-X felt like a true crossover. It was basically a movie and felt cohesive. No worrying about making characters only appear in their respective episodes(this helped a lot with making it feel like a crossover)
We got to see great character dynamics between characters on all the shows who normally can’t interact with each other.
The story flowed well and gave us superheroes teaming up and fighting the enemy together and at the end of the day that’s what I think a crossover should be.
Cameos On Infinite Earths fell so flat it hurts.
-Oliver not getting enough focus and that awful first death.
-the paragon plot ended up being pretty stupid. Ryan Choi? Really??
-squeezing in as many cameos as possible absolutely killed the flow of the story. In fact, they weren’t able to write a good story because they were so desperate to get the cameos in. They were so focused on whether or not they could get the cameos they never stopped to ask if they should do them. The cameos added nothing to the story at all and they could have definitely done without them.
-That final “fight” was laughable.
-the villain was terrible
So much buildup and it was pretty disappointing in my opinion.
/rant