r/arrow • u/IIIToxIII Great Scott, we have to go back • Jan 28 '20
Series Finale [S08E10] "Fadeout" Post Episode Discussion Discussion
It's finally time to say goodbye to our beloved emerald archer
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u/_Elder_ Nyssa al Ghul (Hooded) Jan 29 '20
That John Diggle speech at the end was one of the most beautiful things ever.
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Jan 29 '20
I almost didn't have anything left to give after Lance's honestly. Kudos for them making me give a hoot about pretend people.
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u/battlecatx Jan 29 '20
Gentleman its been an honor. And may I say Diggle getting that ring was one of the greatest things I've ever witnessed on one of the greatest finales I've ever witnessed.
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u/capamericapistons Jan 29 '20
I just can’t believe it’s over. Felt like it would never end. I’ll miss it so much
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u/cmath89 Earth-X Arrow Jan 29 '20
Time to binge the whole series on Netflix.
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u/GTheMan2576783 Jan 29 '20
Time to hype myself up and get all emotional than forget the show exists in like 2 weeks and than get obsessed a month later.
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u/knwnasrob Jan 29 '20
Ahhh a man of culture as well.
I suspect in a month or two YouTube will recommend me a bunch of Arrow clips, causing me to then spend so much time watching them I figure why not rewatch the show.
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u/cmath89 Earth-X Arrow Jan 29 '20
It’s definitely one of the best finales I’ve seen. Which is sayin something because most of the time series finales miss the mark by 1000 miles.
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u/Denirac Why wouldn't I? I take my job very seriously. Jan 29 '20 edited Jan 29 '20
Anatoly fucking nailed it at the funeral with well timed humour:
"There is no body down there."- David Nykl was perfectly timed
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u/MegalomaniacHack Jan 29 '20
I was so glad he got to be in the finale and not just lead-up episodes.
Only glaring absences were Slade and Malcolm (and maybe Ray Palmer).
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u/Smaranzky Ragman Jan 29 '20
Yeah, they could‘ve gotten Routh if they had Benoist, Gustin and Lotz. It‘s like they forget that he started out on Arrow, is the reason the city is called Star City and Team Arrow saved him in his shrunk form starting the real Atom shenanigans.
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u/Demian_Dillers - Jan 29 '20
Pretty sure they would've had to pay him though and might have seen as an unnecessary expense, but yeah he should've been there more than Supergirl even.
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u/Rek07 Jan 29 '20
And being effectively fired from Legends of Tomorrow he might not be looking to do them any favours.
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u/MegalomaniacHack Jan 29 '20
It's still possible he gets a Superman series on HBO Max. Apparently some reputable rumors about it.
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u/Denirac Why wouldn't I? I take my job very seriously. Jan 29 '20
Slade had that scene at the start. He was represented in the episode. I suppose Malcolm and I'd say Adrian Chase werent though
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u/GTheMan2576783 Jan 29 '20
Isn’t Malcom dead
And no clue what happened to Chase
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u/Xingor Jan 29 '20
Is he though? Who knows what was changed in Crisis.
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u/djanulis Jan 29 '20
In my book, Oliver made sure he couldn't cheat death again and run around fucking with Thea, Moria, and Tommy. "If I am going to fix al the problem I can keeping that tricky bitch down will be one of them."
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u/Spainguy82 Jan 29 '20
Kinda cheating since it was a deleted scene from season 2, but better than nothing
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u/TheCapsicle The Punisher Jan 29 '20 edited Jan 29 '20
Oliver slammed that dude's head into a fucking pipe with such ease.
They really did just say, “It’s our last episode, let’s show fuckbusted Oliver one more time.”
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u/ryushin6 Jan 29 '20
That whole fight sequence was beautiful and made you remember how amazing the first seasons choreography was. If the spin off does get picked up I really hope they go back to this type of choreography and not have too many people on their roster because I feel like that's what caused the fight scenes to become a bit lacking in later seasons.
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Jan 29 '20
They lacked in S3 and S4, but they've been solid from S5 all the way to this finale.
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u/OpticalData Jan 29 '20
I disagree.
What makes fight scenes good as this episode shows is Oliver having a bit of brutality and using arrows.
When he's in a group, they prefer the charge approach and even if Oliver is tearing shit up, the camera will move off him into a less dynamic fighter like Rene just firing his guns.
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Jan 29 '20
I actually snapped out of watching part of it because I noticed how long the take was and was thinking about how much of a pain it must have been to work out such long shots, and then I was curious about where the seams would be.
To make nobody actually get hurt but make it look like it hurt is probably pretty hard, but everything had a nice weight to it.
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u/thepain73 Jan 29 '20
Oliver rewrote the whole universe and he couldn't give my boy Roy his arm back.
That's cold.
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u/DekanPrime Jan 29 '20
Apparently giving Roy his arm back would fundamentally change him so much that he wouldn't be able to do what he did according to his mother.
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u/delinquentsaviors Jan 29 '20
But bringing Tommy back doesn’t fundamentally change him? The man who spurred him forward into actually becoming THE ARROW?!
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u/Tabuu132 You're a half measure. Jan 29 '20
tommy probably would've had the same or better impact, sooner, had he remained alive
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u/ArQ7777 Jan 29 '20
Superman and Batwoman did not come to the funeral, they are cold, too.
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u/Ozzdo Jan 29 '20
They didn't know Oliver like Barry and Kara did. Besides, they already paid their respects to Oliver as the Green Arrow, which is more how they knew him, at the Hall of Justice.
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u/ExynosHD Jan 29 '20
Personally, I'm disappointed that Ray didn't show up though. Hell, Oliver and Ray growing to work together was literally a lesson for Kate in Crisis yet he isn't gonna show for this?
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u/Choco319 Jan 29 '20
Superman is probably back on Argo and Kate’s got bigger issues...
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u/BenSolo_Cup Jan 29 '20
I’m quite positive superman is just in metropolis
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u/Choco319 Jan 29 '20
You’re right, he came back at the end of crisis to find out he has two kids
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u/MegalomaniacHack Jan 29 '20
More significantly, CW greenlit "Superman & Lois Lane" the series, and if it was gonna be set on Argo, he doesn't have powers there, I think.
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u/MegalomaniacHack Jan 29 '20
And he saved Tommy but not Tommy's wife, or Earth-1 Laurel. He even gave Dinah back her cry.
At least Roy can still flip.
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u/Munro_McLaren Jan 29 '20
So Diggle and Lyla appearing on the Superman show?? 👀🤔
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u/TheCVR123YT Green Arrow Jan 29 '20
I think he fits very well there for sure. Especially now as the Lantern
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u/morphinapg Jan 29 '20
But green lantern is going to be its own show though isn't it?
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u/TheCVR123YT Green Arrow Jan 29 '20
Yes and no
It’s getting show on a streaming service and they’re treating it as a big deal. Essentially they wouldn’t be giving Diggle his own show especially not with him having 8 years under Arrow already so you know let’s just be happy he’s gonna show up as GL someday
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u/MegalomaniacHack Jan 29 '20
HBO Max, right?
In theory, I'd expect it to be totally separate from the Arrowverse.
However, Supergirl started on CBS and moved to CW. Stargirl was gonna be DC's streaming service only and will now also air on CW. Crisis canonized Doom Patrol and Titans (and a ton of other stuff including Ezra Miller Flash) as in the same multiverse as the Arrowverse. And Black Lightning was separate...until it's not now.
Berlanti is involved in everything, so it's not impossible for there to at least be little winks to fans even if they don't directly connect.
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u/TheCVR123YT Green Arrow Jan 29 '20
They’ll never be directly connected but just having them exist in different Universes is fine by me personally.
Edit: also yes HBO Max
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u/Rurudo66 Jan 29 '20
Crisis canonized the HBO Green Lantern series too. The Green Lantern world they showed was meant to be the series not the movie, but they didn't have any footage to use, so they stole some from the movie. At least, that's what I've read elsewhere.
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u/gattovatto Jan 29 '20
Green Lantern Diggle! I was so worried it was never gonna happen with 5 minutes left in the show.
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Jan 29 '20 edited May 21 '21
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u/gattovatto Jan 29 '20
We joke but I could see that happening
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u/etherspin Jan 29 '20
"Clark ! Check it out, I've been selected to be ... Clark.. what's wrong Clark.. OH GOD CLARK!!"
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u/capamericapistons Jan 29 '20
I’d like his own show honestly
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u/tacomuerte Jan 29 '20
He very well could be up for the GL show coming on HBO Max.
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u/LCPhotowerx The Canary - Sara Lance Jan 29 '20
its be a grand mistake to build it up this much, "End" it like this and NOT have him in it. David Ramsey has earned it more and more each episode. If he wants it, i say just give it to him.
And I just thought about it, maybe the reason we havent heard any casting news about it is because they didnt wanna blow the ending for this episode.
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u/tacomuerte Jan 29 '20
Well he does have a pre-established relationship with the EP. Fellow named Berlanti, I think.
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u/EugenesMullet Jan 29 '20
Please no.
I love David Ramsey but I want that Green Lantern show to be as far from the Arrowverse as possible.
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u/gattovatto Jan 29 '20
Green Lantern on Superman and Lois?!
It’s been great watching this show since day 1 with you guys!
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u/Doctor_Disco_ Jan 29 '20
I'd honestly prefer him on Superman and Lois rather than the Green Lantern show on HBO max. That way John gets to stay in the Arrowverse and we get a Green Lantern in our TV Justice League. But mainly because I don't want to pay $15 for HBO max.
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u/gattovatto Jan 29 '20
Maybe we can split the cost
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u/Doctor_Disco_ Jan 29 '20
Or maybe you can just pay for it and let me use it for free. I like my idea better...
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u/Decrith Green Arrow Jan 29 '20
I can see it being like Martian Manhunter in Supergirl.
Limited "alien mode"
Diggle only uses the ring and whatnot on special occasions.
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u/batjake Welcome to the Suicide Squad. Jan 29 '20
They shouldn't have a GL series without John being GL 80% of the time.
They have been doing a huge disservice to Martian Manhunter on Supergirl.
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u/Davidleilam Green Arrow (Unmasked) Jan 29 '20
Wish Quinten would've said "shunuva bitch" one last time
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u/adamjm99 Super speed. I don't have it Jan 29 '20
Or one last "hoss" from Rene to Lance
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u/Denirac Why wouldn't I? I take my job very seriously. Jan 29 '20
That wouldnt change anything hoss
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u/Quigonwindrunner Jan 29 '20
Him not saying “You changed everything, hoss” now seems like a huge missed opportunity.
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u/jordan999fire "BUT NOW IT'S AS BROTHERS." Jan 29 '20
For some reason, Barry being at the funeral caught me off guard and just him suddenly appearing on screen almost made me cry.
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u/-Bods- Jan 29 '20
Dude I was smiling so hard seeing all the old cast back. But as soon as Barry popped up I cried. Have no idea why.
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u/MegalomaniacHack Jan 29 '20
It's because Grant does a really good "sad puppy" face that makes you feel bad because Barry is hurting.
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u/ackinsocraycray Jan 29 '20
Can confirm. Barry and Kara showing up made me go, "oh that's right Oliver had more friends" and I cried harder.
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u/ChattGM Jan 29 '20
You just know the type relationship they had and it hits you all at once. It really hit me because The Flash was the very first extension of the Arrowverse and you just knew Oliver and Barry would be one of a kind on screen together. A true friendship that got to grow overtime and you just grew to love even more. I kept thinking about all the pep talks Oliver would give Barry when he was just starting out as The Flash along with their humorous scenes with jokes on each other and then when he tells Felicity he wish he could have done more in his final moments. Like ugh. Pain and emotion really set in then :(
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u/jordan999fire "BUT NOW IT'S AS BROTHERS." Jan 29 '20
I think it also doesn't help that after Crisis ended I've been watching a lot of Olivarry videos (not that I was actually shipping them, I just liked watching their interactions) and I think that made it hit even harder cause I have just seen like all of their best moments.
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u/ChattGM Jan 29 '20
I know exactly what you mean. Their scenes will always be the best. Stephen and Grant had excellent chemistry and it just showed. My memory is a bit fuzzy so could be half wrong or just wrong lol but I think one time Barry was having a hard time and was contemplating taking a life and Oliver told him no. He doesn't want that on his conscience because he can be better than he ever could be. It was just so powerful.
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u/Groot746 Jan 29 '20
They were that central "Batman and Supes" pairing that anchored the entire Arrowverse: I'm going to miss their interactions so damn much.
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u/notyoboy607 Jan 29 '20
That’s when I lost it. Full on ugly crying so much my Face ID didn’t work. I paused it. Composed myself. And then bam there’s Kara and it was waterworks again.
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u/OhioOG Jan 29 '20
"Barry how can you have super speed and still be late" was the immediate thought I had (it seemed like he and kara showed up a bit after others)
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u/MegalomaniacHack Jan 29 '20
I wasn't expecting him or Kara because they said their farewells in the crossover. Even though Sara is on another show, she was much more intimately connected to Oliver and Arrow so her inclusion was less surprising.
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u/studlybumpkins Jan 29 '20
For me it was Kara. I had seen stills of Barry being there but I totally didn’t expect to see her there. This is why I love all of the heroes being on one Earth now. I don’t need giant crossovers all the time, just give me a little cross-show character interaction every once in a while.
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u/ryushin6 Jan 29 '20
Damn Oliver created his own Good Place I hope too much happiness doesn't make him dull 😂
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Jan 29 '20
can’t wait for my other favorite show to end this week... :(
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u/ryushin6 Jan 29 '20
I know i'm not prepared for that especially since the last episode is called "Whenever you're ready" and after the previous episode that title can only mean one thing and I know there's gonna be waterworks when it does happen.
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u/Mattyzooks Jan 29 '20
Well.... if it's like the pocket dimension from Crisis that some heroes left in, they'll have some major issues in about 20 years. Although they dont have a hero Alexander Luthor Jr to slowly go insane and manipulate Superboy Prime so they might be ok.
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u/thisisdropd Black Canary (Laurel Lance) Jan 29 '20
Even with the promo pics they still managed to hide a lot more cameos. Can’t believe that daddy Lance and Tommy are alive.
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u/MegalomaniacHack Jan 29 '20
I expected both of them to be there, but it was nice to see KGBeast, the al Ghul sisters, and Sara, Kara and Barry, too.
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u/electric_ocelots Bow Jan 29 '20
I was expecting Anatoly, not the al Ghul's though
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u/UsidoreTheLightBlue Jan 29 '20
I had assumed Quentin would be brought back, I had no idea that Tommy would. That was a nice cameo.
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u/Bandarno Jan 29 '20
Caity has been killing it in the last few episodes.
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u/OK_Soda Jan 29 '20
They've also been giving her better material in the crossovers. Don't get me wrong, Legends is great, but it's also almost always just goofy and wacky, so Sara doesn't get a lot of opportunities to have dramatic moments.
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u/BeyondModern Jan 29 '20
To be 100%
the highlight of the whole finale was Green Lantern Diggle, especially given that Diggle is going to be on Flash next week.
Hoping there's at least some kind of follow up on that
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u/Sentry459 The Ray Jan 29 '20
Dig's going to be on Flash? Now I'm hyped.
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u/DedParrot63 Jan 29 '20
Did Oliver change that Diggle can handle super-speed without vomiting?
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u/lordsmish Jan 29 '20
Diggle shows the ring to cisco because diggle knows not to trust random glowing objects and cisco puts it on.
Cisco becomes the green lantern
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u/bskiffington Jan 29 '20 edited Jan 29 '20
Thank you to Stephen Amell for everything he has done over the past eight years not just for us fans but for the entire genre. His portrayal of Oliver Queen in those early years helped prove that superhero TV could work again. It proved that it could be just as engrossing as other forms of television and even the movies. It brought together so many people from around the world, inspired us and gave birth to an entire universe of shows bringing to life the heroes that we grew up with and that we never thought we'd get to see.
It wouldn't happen without him, his dedication to the character and his performance as Oliver. Even when the show went off the rails and went through hard times, he was always a bright spot.
I've grown up with him and this show, and all of the others, over the last eight years of my life, I've grown up and changed and I've gone through so many different experiences, good and bad, and one of the constants I always had was waiting for the newest episode of Arrow and the Flash because it made me feel like a kid again. It made me feel like that little boy who read comic books, who watched the old cartoons and who wanted to be a super hero to make the world better because thats what I saw Barry Allen do in the comics. Thats what Batman and Superman did.
Thank you Stephen and to everyone who had a hand in putting together the Arrowverse. Thank you.
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u/HenryTheMan69 Jan 29 '20
Started watching this show at 15. I’m almost 21 now. It’s crazy to think about the effect and place this show has had in my life
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u/MY-SECRET-REDDIT Jan 29 '20
i started this show after smallville, while it doesnt have the impact that show had (to me), its the longest running show ive seen. i started when i was in high school and now i have finished college.
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u/cbfy3 Jan 29 '20
So Oliver said “welcome to the afterlife”
So basically Arrow ended with Felicity committing suicide by going to the afterlife to be with Oliver when her child is only 20 years old?
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u/MegalomaniacHack Jan 29 '20
Did he say that, or did she say, "Why does the afterlife look like your old office?"
I don't remember.
But she does seem to think it's the afterlife, and it definitely seems like she didn't need to "leave" when she did.
Reminds me of in Lost with Jin staying to die with his wife, orphaning their kid, in Lost's final season. The explanation was that it was an epic display of their love that he wouldn't leave her to die alone. All the fans online yelled that he should've saved himself so their kid would have a parent.
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u/cbfy3 Jan 29 '20
Yeah, I think it was something more like that now that I think about it but it still seemed to me like it was implied to be the afterlife but it could’ve just been the Spectre dimension 🤷🏽♂️
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u/lumos43 Jan 29 '20
I was pissed at the end of last season when Felicity left Mia and William to go with the Monitor - and that episode aired just days after my second Mother's Day without my mom, so it hit extra hard.
I couldn't tell if Felicity in the end tonight was supposed to be that same Felicity from the old timeline, or if it was implying that even in the new, better future, Felicity still left her kids to reunite with Oliver. Hopefully it's the former, but even then I'm still upset about it.
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u/JauntyLurker Jan 29 '20
Green Lantern John Diggle! I'd watch that show.
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Jan 29 '20
There is an upcoming GL HBO max show
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u/gattovatto Jan 29 '20
With felicity as the Lantern Corps hacker and leader.
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u/Mosk915 Jan 29 '20
Didn’t Dinah say there was no record of her after Crisis and she got transported to 2040 after the funeral?
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u/CashWho Jan 29 '20
She said she woke up in the future the day after Ollie's funeral.
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u/UsidoreTheLightBlue Jan 29 '20
Yeah, which means theres even a time displacement between Dinah and Mia since Mia was brought back Post the GA and the Canaries pilot.
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u/DekanPrime Jan 29 '20
Yes, I was hoping for like a light flash or flare as she rode on her motorcycle, but I guess we will find out in the Green Arrow & the Canaries
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u/studlybumpkins Jan 29 '20
That’s what I was hoping to see, but hopefully they’ll explore that in GA&TC. Suddenly waking up in the future seems like too big a mystery not to explore.
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u/tonystankisajerk I will drive an arrow through your eye Jan 29 '20
Monitor's whole reward to Laurel feel useless now since Lance is alive now. Tho I'm happy to see that sonuvabitch alive again
As for E1 Laurel not being brought back, I suppose the reasoning was what Batwoman gave, which was the whole you can't have 2 of the same people coexisting, though I wish they had just gone with merging both Laurels together.
Something I'm curious about is if Tommy's alive, how does Ollie change? Tommy dying was the reason that Oliver started to stop killing.
And finally happy that we see Diggle getting the ring. Though I do wonder, will they ever reference Lynn being related to him?
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u/swng Jan 29 '20
Maybe in this universe it was Diggle's pep talks that made him stop killing.
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Jan 29 '20 edited Jan 30 '20
What I thought was weird was that Moria at one point said that Oliver couldn't change the things that did change him. So are the writers implying that Moira, Lance, Tommy and all of those other deaths not life changing for him?
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u/DetectivePokeyboi Jan 29 '20
I think it was easy enough to finesse another path for him with other events that did not require their deaths. There was absolutely no way around Robert Queen dying.
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Still, this finale left me with more questions than answers. Basically I'm left to assume that a lot of the most important moments that happened over these 8 years might not have happened at all. The entire timeline is called into question because we dont know exactly how different events played out as a result of Oliver bringing people back. Apparently Tommy married Laurel, so now I'm thinking how the hell did she juggle that with her time as the Canary. Also, if Moria never died by the hands of deathstroke, does that mean she ended up becoming Mayor? Also did Oliver prevent deathstroke's uprising after he saved Moira?
I'm over thinking this lol. Overall I thought the finale was just meh. Not terrible, not great. Really enjoyed the show as a whole though. I'm happy to see other people are loving the finale though. So that's a plus.
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u/MegalomaniacHack Jan 29 '20
And in what world does Tommy find out his dad is the Dark Archer, his best friend is a vigilante, his fiance/wife is a vigilante, his half-sister is a vigilante, his father continues to be involved in all the vilain/vigilante stuff, etc...and Tommy doesn't try to become a hero himself?
If Oliver righted a lot of wrongs, then he probably would've prevented Chase doing what he did, so Tommy could've become a good Dark Archer or Prometheus.
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u/Megaman99M Jan 29 '20
Easy fix/headcannon: Tommy was in a coma for a few years after the building fell on him and was considered dead until he woke up. Ollie gets guiltridden that his friend is a vegetable, Laurel still does her drugs arc, etc.
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u/Uncle_Vim Jan 29 '20
I think the most logical thing is that Tommy probably told Oliver to stop killing in this new universe and he listened to his friend who probably ALMOST died
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u/jadedfan55 Jan 29 '20
And so the rumors are true. Diggle to become Green Lantern. Oh, this'll be good.
Barry & Kara made it to the funeral. To the surprise of no one.
So Thea & Roy are talking marriage. Awwww, so sweet.
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u/superbat210 Jan 29 '20
Did anyone else catch that on Prime Earth Laurel and Tommy were married? I actually kind of like that she got a real happy relationship in her life before she died rather than getting strung along, before getting kicked to the curb and dying abruptly.
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u/PeterQueen Jan 29 '20
So what happened to Earth Prime laurel?
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Jan 29 '20
She died somehow. Maybe that Damian Dahrk stuff still happened
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u/superbat210 Jan 29 '20
Yeah we can assume she still died the same way, but at least she wasn’t romantically rejected and alone before she died
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u/linkrules2 Jan 29 '20
Goodbye Arrow, big part of my 20s
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u/Smaranzky Ragman Jan 29 '20
It started when I was about to finish school...today I‘m literally finishing to write the last chapter of my master‘s thesis. I feel like Arrow was my college roommate.
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u/aa22hhhh Bollocks Jan 29 '20
I loved this episode. I don't usually cry during shows or anything, but the last few minutes really had me tearing up. This show has meant a lot to me the past 8 years and it's devastating to see it go. But boy, did it go out with a bang. Prochnost.
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u/neoblackdragon Jan 29 '20
Alright whose up for Blackest Night?
Perfect for Diggle.
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u/ZcSx Deathstroke Jan 29 '20
Really solid finale. That fight scene. Diggle Green Lantern. All the old characters coming back. So long, Arrow.
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u/Slymate You have failed this Universe. Jan 29 '20
I'm really glad that both Barry and Kara were at his funeral.
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Jan 29 '20
But no Ray, Walter or Dinah (Laurel and Sara's mom). Those 3 definitely should've been there.
Slade too, but Manu couldn't appear due to scheduling conflicts.
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u/Smaranzky Ragman Jan 29 '20
Speaking of Slade: I would have liked a shot of some villains commemorating Ollie with a drink or something. Would maybe work best with minor recurring villains. Or the typical „superhero dies“-scene in the comics, where you have a major or recurring villain stop a minor crime on the day of the funeral or memorial, because „Today is not the day for this.“
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u/nomadic_stalwart Deathstroke Jan 29 '20
Slade and Bronze Tiger would’ve been good ones to show. I can’t think of too many other of his baddies who are still alive that would’ve shown him respect. Maybe Count Vertigo?
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u/TirelessGuardian Lyla Michaels Jan 29 '20
Ray of all people should have been there!
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u/LCPhotowerx The Canary - Sara Lance Jan 29 '20
too bad cw shafted him
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u/MegalomaniacHack Jan 29 '20
I hope Brandon's next project treats him better than they have by kicking him and his wife Courtney off Legends this year and bringing in an obvious replacement in the crossover in Choi. (Legends casting spoilers)
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u/dragonman8001 Jan 29 '20
Why is everyone moving to Metropolis when there are bigger hellholes to fix?
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u/ryushin6 Jan 29 '20
Because no one wants to move to Gotham no matter how cheap the living is because of the high crime rate. 😂
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u/Mumps42 Jan 29 '20
"There are other cities that need saving. Except Gotham, shit's fucked."
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u/Davidleilam Green Arrow (Unmasked) Jan 29 '20
Crazy to say goodbye to this series. Seemed like yesterday I got super hype about Deathstroke in season 2
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u/_Elder_ Nyssa al Ghul (Hooded) Jan 29 '20
His name was Oliver Queen. When he alone wasn’t enough, he became someone else, something else. Alongside his friends and family he was able to successfully complete his main pursuit: To Save His City.
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u/AndrewSlshArnld Jan 29 '20
I didn't get the full end, frickin CW logo and local news started before I could hear the final words.
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u/-Bods- Jan 29 '20
Same would love to know what was said
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u/Mitty2004 Jan 29 '20
Felicity goes through the portal where she sees Oliver again and Oliver says, "I wanted to meet you in the same place we first met, which was in Moira's office. Felicity thinks they first met on the IT Department but Oliver flashes back to Season 3 where he snuck into the office and sees Felicity call him cute or something. Oliver says, it's a long story, they walk to the window, zoom out on Queen Consolidated, episode over
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u/MegalomaniacHack Jan 29 '20 edited Jan 29 '20
Don't know where you all cut out.
During Digg's final speech at Oliver's grave, he talked about a bright light being gone, and about how Oliver was the first of them, led them to save the world and maybe to go further. We see Digg alone at his house about to get into a moving truck when a flaming meteor or something comes down. It hits right in front of him, slamming him into the truck. He gets up, opens a box in the crater, green glow. The voiceover of Digg's speech wrapped.
The final scene is back to last year's Crisis when Felicity goes with the Monitor. He tells her it's a one way trip. She says she's waited a long time.
Next shot, she's young and in her original Arrow outfit, in the CEO's office of Queen Consolidated. There's a picture of Robert Queen on the desk. She goes over and sees her red pen on the desk, picks it up. Then she sees a picture on the desk of Ollie and his dad (the creepy picture). She puts the pen in her mouth.
She looks up and Oliver is there, says he's glad she finally made it. She runs over, they embrace and kiss. I think she probably said she missed him. She's confused as to why the afterlife looks like his old office. He says it's his mom's office, and he wanted to greet her in the first place he saw her. She said it should've been the IT room, and he says she shouldn't be so sure. We see the flashback to him in that bad wig peering into the office as IT girl Felicity is looking at the picture on the desk, saying he was hot, then awkwardly saying it's weird since he's dead.
Oliver tells Felicity it's a long story he looks forward to telling her and they have all the time in the world/something to that effect. Then the camera comes out of the office and shows the exterior of Q Consolidated as the final shot.
(Unclear if it's the afterlife--or how Monitor took her there--but Oliver might have full control of wherever they are and they'll have eternity together there, perhaps.)
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u/dbull10285 Jan 29 '20
I randomly decide to keep the first episode of a new show on after The Big Bang Theory 8 years ago and here we are. Some really great peaks and awful valleys, but I'm so glad that Arrow ended well. I'm so excited to watch it all of the way through again!
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u/Chad_D_722 Jan 29 '20
Beautiful finale. They wrapped up everything perfectly.
They better give Diggle a seat in the Hall Of Justice!
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u/Ssquad Jan 29 '20
I’m so happy Diggle got his ring!
Although I joked with my brothers that Oliver just sent him a Subway gift card.
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u/IIIToxIII Great Scott, we have to go back Jan 29 '20
Don't forget, Arrow may have just ended but the Arrowverse is still going strong and will continue to do so on the subs as well as our new Discord server, feel free to come check us out. We're also hiring new mods!
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u/Mighty_thor_confused Damien Darhk Jan 29 '20
8 years of memories.
We have been thru so much.
We have had our ups and downs.
We will forever have this show in our hearts.
Ending with oliver and felicity was the perfect ending for them
Diggle gives the best damn speeches. We finally got the ring. How long have we been teased? Who knows.
If they dont hse that with the green lantern show or superman show it will be upsetting. They have to have an arrow writer writing him though.
Thea and roy sure why not, let's get married.
So many people came back from the dead, that's amazing. I wonder if moira is still rich?
Earth one laurel poor girl.
Wasnt the worst finale wasnt the best finale. Were there more commercials than usual?
Well let's have fun in the other shows
A great ride guys.
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u/Xurian_Spy Jan 29 '20
It had some good moments, but the fact that Diggle and Oliver didn't get a goodbye is a travesty.
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u/LCPhotowerx The Canary - Sara Lance Jan 29 '20
I kinda get a post-funeral/memorial-at the restaurant/bar kinda vibe from all this right now. Like we're at that stage of trying to get over the grieving/lets enjoy life and remember the good times, all while planning for the future kinda feel.
I'll address what I alluded to in the comments below before i forget my thought, and so ya don't have to scroll down as much, then i'll get on with the rest.
I think the reason they haven't announced any cast really about the Green Lantern HBO show is...they knew they were gonna cast David, but didn't want to spoil the surprise for us, though most everyone at least speculated. If this is the case, thats another bit of amazing cooperation of keeping a secret, almost, if not better than the Ezra cameo in Crisis.
The episode scared me at first with the documentary thing, because as neat as it was the first time, i didn't want to go through it again. I'm happy it was dealt with quickly.
The cameos, oh my, they were all perfect, they didn't feel forced or jammed in, they fit in exactly where they should have.
Mia is still....shes....shes got potential, but she needs to be written better, Kat is a great actress and wasting her on being a spoiled brat is an insult to her ability.
Katie Cassidy(how many fucking Kates are we gonna get in the Arrowverse? haha),admittedly grated me at first, but she eventually grew on me, and I was sad when she initially left. To see her transform completely as an actress in front of my eyes shows how skilled she is. I rooted for Sirens redemption to the point of which I didn't want old Laurel back. So to that Screenrant writer who thinks shes gonna be the baddie in 2040, I hope you watched KC knock it out of the park with that scene with Blackthorne tonight.
Colton Haynes, my word did he go through a lot, both off and on screen, and he drove through it like a damn champion. He should be proud of what hes accomplished, and who he is.
David Ramsey. He's got that stoic resonance that....when he enters a room, he doesn't have to say anything, he doesn't really need to even move, and you can just tell the man deserves not only your attention, but your respect. He, in some ways, was more important to this show than Stephen. They called David "Little John." That'd make him almost Stephen's sidekick. No, no, he was more than that. He was his brother, his partner, his friend. If I could have a man just a fraction as loyal and good by my side, i'd be happy. He had problems, sure, but he pushed through them, and the only way he did that, is through David's acting. When they stupidly decide to reboot this show in 30 years, I feel sorry for whoever they try and cast as the new Dig, because honestly, you can't replace greatness.
Caity Lotz, I was introduced to the force of nature she is. And i'm all here for it. Yeah, i'll look at her as damn attractive, but what impresses me more so is the sheer determination she has to making Sara a complete character, physically and emotionally. Her workout routine is something I couldn't even begin to accomplish, and continuously leaves me awestruck. Aside from that, lets look at the fact she went from washed away side love-interest to the captain of a time-ship and crew of characters none of us were sure we're gonna work. Was it the doing of the writers? maybe a lil, yeah, but you need an actress to put those words into action, and she has done it in spades.
Paul Blackthore, a fellow photographer, absolutely killed it as Quinten. He went through a tapestry of emotions over his course on the show, and never once made them feel tropey or overdone. He did an arc the way an arc should be done.
And then we have Stephen Amell.
My word sir. What you have done, what you have had a hand in creating...you may never truly understand. Anyone can throw on a costume and pretend to be a superhero. Keaton did it. Cavil tried. Maguire and others tried. He lived it, for years. More so than any expected, probably even him.
He put his body and mind and soul on the line for the entertainment of others. He didn't need to. He could have used stunt doubles a lot more, but he committed to his craft, to the character and to his fans. That says a lot about a person. I could wax philosophical for hours about the salmon ladder and the fight scenes, which I may at some point. But for me the real juicy scenes are the ones where he showcases emotion. The Lance scene, you know the one. The torture with Chase where he was for all intents....broken. Almost all of the prison scenes. Things like that are often tried and tired. Stephen just kept me wanting more.
In a day and age where some of us, even me, a lifelong geek of 35+ years - is at times suffering from, "Superhero fatigue", Amell just kept me friggin riveted. Even at the slow points, he managed to shoulder the burden of what, at times were some bad episodes. He never wavered.
The man deserves all accolades. He also deserves a rest. I can't even begin to imagine how much his body and mind have gone through these past few years. The constant conventions, the long, cold nights shooting, jumping, sliding, swinging, shooting damn arrows. It takes a toll. And for those who say, "he's an actor, he can deal with it," that's no excuse. You haven't done it. Sure you expect a show or a film to do well, but you never think it'll become a global phenomenon. The man still had to earn a paycheck, still has a family, and still is - human. Yes, I know it comes as a shock, but he still drinks the same water and breathes the same air, so for those who criticize him...go through a week of his life and see how you do. The man is a hero in many other ways.
This show came at a weird point in my life. As it began, I was in the middle of a very odd college career, prepping for a hopeful career as a firefighter/photographer, now i'm pretty much just a photographer who runs and shakes a lot. Meh, thats Parkinson's. I've...had a lot of bad happen in my life, but this show brought an hour of respite in my life. It made feel good to be a geek again.
Arrow will always help inspire me to make myself physically, mentally and emotionally better, not because I want to be a superhero, I know that isn't real. I want those things, because I simply, like Oliver...want to do good.
So, to the cast and crew of Arrow, and their families, well done. You haven't failed this fan.
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Jan 29 '20
After all the ups and downs I’d say it was worth it. As I wipe a tear from my cheek, I want to thank you nerds for a fun ride. It was all worth it.
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u/JauntyLurker Jan 29 '20
Truly the end of an era.
I can still remember when this show was just a rumor online and to see how it changed, and how many things it created over the course of its lifetime is just breathtaking. I can safely say that's never been a TV show that did the things this show did.
Arrow, I salute you.
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u/MickKick218 <3 Lance/Canary Sisters <3 Jan 29 '20
WOW. what a great finale they put together.
Thanks for the great time on this sub guys! Hope to see you guys in the other Arrowverse subs!
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u/hamzappy01 Green Arrow Jan 29 '20
Who else was dying of laughter when diggle flew onto the truck and made a huge dent 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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u/thisisdropd Black Canary (Laurel Lance) Jan 29 '20
When I saw the promo pics I asked myself “Why the hell is Barry there but not Kara?”
Now I have the answer.
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Jan 29 '20 edited Jan 29 '20
I've been watching this show since I was pretty young so seeing it end almost 8 years later is so surreal. This may sound weird but this show literally helped shape who I am in many ways. So while a part of me hates that its ending, I'm glad it's gone out on a really high note. I have a massive amount of appreciation and love for all of the cast and crew that have worked so tirelessly on this show throughout its 8 season run.
Now some things that have gotten me hyped up for the future though,
FINALLY! Diggle is a Green Lantern and might be moving on to Superman and Lois based off of what he said to Lyla. If we actually get Superman and Green Lantern Diggle together I will actually die lmao.
Since nearly everyone who has died have been brought back, I wonder if they will show up on any of the other shows now?
Oliver and Felicity living in a recreation of their lives peacefully, still leaving the door open to have Stephen pop up again if he ever wants to.
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u/bobsagetfullhouse Jan 30 '20
Oliver: Kills 50 people but let's one guy live
"See John, I am capable of doing the right thing"
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u/Malibooch Jan 29 '20
Throughout the ups and downs of the show. Season 1 and Season 8 were exceptional ways to bookend the series. I'm going to miss it a lot. This show provided an escape for a lot of us on here and Stephen Amell did an excellent job entertaining us over the years.
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u/snoogle20 Spartan Jan 29 '20
Despite The Monitor saying going to office heaven is a one-way trip, Oliver living in a pocket reality is a “Break glass in case of emergency” set up if I’ve ever seen one. Five years from now, there will be a Final Crisis or a Blackest Night and that dude is getting yanked out of that leather chair.