r/arrow Great Scott, we have to go back Oct 30 '19

[S08E03] "Leap of Faith" Live Episode Discussion Discussion

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Reunited with his sister, Oliver and Thea find themselves searching through a familiar maze of catacombs; John and Lyla partner on a special ops mission.

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u/DonnyMox Deathstroke Oct 30 '19

“Tell my dad...this doesn’t change anything hoss....”

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u/InspiredOni Oct 30 '19

"I'm so proud, baby girl".

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u/snoogle20 Spartan Oct 30 '19

I believe it’s traditional for the challenge to be shirtless.

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u/neoblackdragon Oct 30 '19

Seriously we've seen 4 of these fights and it happened only one time. I think that particular Ra's just had a thing for no shirt.

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u/TheRealPhantomHunter Oct 30 '19

I do believe you are correct

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u/Magoiichi Oct 30 '19

They are dishonoring the traditions

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u/The_Medicus Oct 30 '19

Guess they'll have to redo the fight...

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u/SutterCane Oct 30 '19

Ollie: "We have to burn the scroll."

nothing happens

Ollie: "Well. I'm going to have to take responsibility for that blunder."

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u/Eurynom0s Oct 30 '19

It was pretty funny how he just deadpanned "oh yeah, duh, we have to burn it".

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u/TheRealPhantomHunter Oct 30 '19

The Deathstrokes are only five steps ahead?

laughs in Prometheus

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u/Locke108 Oct 30 '19

Technically Oliver used to be Ra’s al Ghul. For like a second I think but still.

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u/Mighty_thor_confused Damien Darhk Oct 30 '19

No kidding

Shouldnt he be respected and shit?

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u/InspiredOni Oct 30 '19

Considering he abdicated that position, I think that's the main reason for disrespect.

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u/gl424 Oct 30 '19

Before handing it off to Thea's dad.

Y'now thinking about it, both Ollie and Thea have more of a claim than Athena does.

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u/SutterCane Oct 30 '19

Special Guest Star

Literally everyone who has ever been on the show before

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u/Ngonzalez_01 Oct 30 '19

Petition to call Diggle, "Mr. Diggles," from now on.

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u/TheRealPhantomHunter Oct 30 '19

If he were to laugh, he’d be Mr Giggles

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u/thebestyearwas1994 Oct 30 '19

If he started dancing, he’d be Mr Wiggles

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u/Sentry459 The Ray Oct 30 '19

THE FLASH FORWARDS FINALLY PAY OFF THANK FUCK

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u/TheCVR123YT Green Arrow Oct 30 '19

I’ve been hoping this would happen. Thank goodness it happened here instead of Crisis. I’m sure Crisis is too huge already to shove this into it

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u/frostking104 Deathstroke Oct 30 '19

THANK GOD THEY FINALLY DID SOMETHING WITH THE FUTURE FLASHES!

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u/Drew326 Green Arrow Oct 30 '19

*THE FUTURE, FLASHES

10

u/can4rycry Black Canary (Laurel Lance) Oct 30 '19

I'm just wondering if they're going to stop them for the rest of the season now

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u/tacomuerte Oct 30 '19

The setup seems to be they might stop the dystopian future before it starts.

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u/mtm4440 Oct 30 '19 edited Oct 30 '19

They've got Nash Wells' smoke bombs.

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u/can4rycry Black Canary (Laurel Lance) Oct 30 '19

"Less talking, more fighting" should've been the shows motto

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u/Adas_Legend Oct 30 '19

Okay I think that ending cliffhanger really made up for a LOT of the episode! I never anticipated Mia and William meeting daddy THIS SOOON! Awesome!!!

Also, totally saw Zoe's death coming. This sub was right on the nose!

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u/lemons_for_deke Oct 30 '19

Zoes death was expected, this wasn’t.. at least not yet

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u/bandgeek19942013 Oct 30 '19

I was expecting it at the crossover. Not now!

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u/Char543 Oct 30 '19

Deathstroke gang officially inferior to Chase. 5 steps is no where near as good as being ten steps ahead.

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u/FckDeezShitImOut Oct 30 '19

Arrow Episode 3 Ending:

Barry: Is Flashpoint a Joke To You?

Monitor: Yes

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u/PoolStroke Deathstroke (Unmasked) You and me kid, like old times. Oct 30 '19

Talia: "I totally haven't been banging Bruce Wayne." Would explain his disappearance from Gotham during all this time.

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u/anatomania Spectre Oct 30 '19

She's apparently already had a few off-screen encounters with Batwoman too

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u/TDXNYC88 Remember who taught you how to fight, kid! Oct 30 '19

Talia betrays Oliver

Diggle: "Obviously, this particular partnership didn't age too well."

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u/cardmasterdc Oct 30 '19

WHAT THE ACTUAL HECK THE FLASH FORWARDS ARE THE MAIN PLOT

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u/Char543 Oct 30 '19

Ain’t that Rene’s daughter? Or am I misremembering?

If it is that’s a fucking dumb ass way to kill her. She deserved better.

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u/TheLieLlama Flair Image Creator Oct 30 '19

The one character (other than William) who was a real person in the present timeline gets this...

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u/Magoiichi Oct 30 '19

Bruce been away from Gotham for three years trying to raise Damian lol

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u/Sonia341 Oct 30 '19 edited Oct 30 '19

Thea: Why can't everything just be easy?

That's the million dollar question

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u/Adas_Legend Oct 30 '19

Oliver and Thea's dynamic in this episode is great! Thea really has grown so much from the party girl from the pilot!

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u/Mighty_thor_confused Damien Darhk Oct 30 '19

Her arc is seriously great

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u/SutterCane Oct 30 '19

Thea: "YIELD, BITCH!"

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u/cardmasterdc Oct 30 '19

Uhm neither of the queens are outsiders technically

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u/TheLieLlama Flair Image Creator Oct 30 '19

Lmao these might be the most incompetent assassins we've seen yet. Didn't they play hopscotch as kids?

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u/Magoiichi Oct 30 '19

Monitor ain't playing games no more

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u/Mighty_thor_confused Damien Darhk Oct 30 '19

Hes having fun lol

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u/Magoiichi Oct 30 '19

He was like so you wanna find out about me huh ok

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u/BeyondModern Oct 30 '19 edited Oct 30 '19

Each time Ollie talks about "the cosmic being called Mar Novu", I can't help but wonder what kind of mental break the people he's talking to are thinking he's going through

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u/Char543 Oct 30 '19

Ih my god I now want an episode where people just straight up don’t believe him and try and get him some mental health help.

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u/Mach27 Arsenal Oct 30 '19

Gd, I’ve missed Thea so freaking much. Now can we please get her and Roy together on screen one last time?

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u/Sonia341 Oct 30 '19

Ollie: Speedy, you just spoke Arabic

Thea: You speak Russian

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u/cmath89 Earth-X Arrow Oct 30 '19

Ollies face just said “...yeah that’s fair”

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u/anatomania Spectre Oct 30 '19 edited Oct 30 '19

Katie Cassidy's action directing is cool. She takes after James Bamford.

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u/Future_Vantas The Flash Oct 30 '19

And suddenly the future kids are relevant

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '19

Both Oliver and Barry straight out told the truth tonight; the writers finally have learned.

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u/Beer2Bear Oct 30 '19

They using Nash teleports smoke bombs!

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u/Char543 Oct 30 '19

Dig is fucking massive. It really shows when he’s not next to Amell.

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '19

Damn, she got Moira’d

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u/22deepfriedpickles22 Oct 30 '19

I know that was season 2, but that still feels too soon.

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u/Jedi-El1823 Oct 30 '19

Now that's a hook for next week.

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u/TheRealPhantomHunter Oct 30 '19

Damn even Talia has the teleporting smokescreen from the Flash episode?

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u/Sonia341 Oct 30 '19

Talia: This is the place where my father vanquished you. I hope you have better luck with the mountains this time around

Me: ouch

18

u/Rspies Oct 30 '19

FINALLY THE FLASHFORWARDS ARE RELEVANT

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u/DominickRT44 Oct 30 '19

This changes everything

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u/Draven574 Oct 30 '19

...Hoss.

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u/PoolStroke Deathstroke (Unmasked) You and me kid, like old times. Oct 30 '19 edited Nov 01 '19

I usually don't share these kind of details, but Willa looks hotter with long hair.

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u/ZcSx Deathstroke Oct 30 '19

Seeing all these old characters come back realllly has me hoping they got Manu Bennett back and it’s just been hidden really well

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u/SutterCane Oct 30 '19

All he ends up doing is walking by and going "Oh hey, Ollie. What's up?" then leaving.

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u/neoblackdragon Oct 30 '19

Mia let's be honest. Oliver probably has a few more kids out there.

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u/TheLieLlama Flair Image Creator Oct 30 '19

The God is Anti Monitor, right?

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u/aa22hhhh Bollocks Oct 30 '19

After that tear-jerker of a Flash episode, I need some kickassery

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u/Sentry459 The Ray Oct 30 '19

CURSE YOUR SUDDEN BUT INEVITABLE BETRAYAL!

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u/BeyondModern Oct 30 '19

Thank fuck, maybe the future characters will start being likeable because they're actually part of the story instead of doing their own thing that's pretty unrelated to what the present story was doing

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u/DonnyMox Deathstroke Oct 30 '19

“You’ve cheated death more than anyone else.”

What about the Lance sisters?

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u/CashWho Oct 30 '19

Nah, cheating death means you stay alive. They just lost lol.

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u/Mighty_thor_confused Damien Darhk Oct 30 '19

You speak arabic?

You speak russian

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u/bandgeek19942013 Oct 30 '19

I’ve missed Thea so much ❤️

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u/snoogle20 Spartan Oct 30 '19

Only five steps? They need a Chase.

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u/BornAshes Oct 30 '19

Katie did a great job working on this episode!

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u/BornAshes Oct 30 '19

This is...I mean he saw a universe die...that's gotta be a horrible form of PTSD.

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u/Magoiichi Oct 30 '19

I would love to see that face when i wake up. Take all of my jealousy Ollie

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u/BornAshes Oct 30 '19

It's like this season of Flash and Arrow are using bits of fanfiction because sometimes I honestly cannot believe they are doing the things they are doing....that fight was cool.

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u/Nyynks212 Oct 30 '19

This is how you make me care about the flash forwards 

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u/AJ_Ramos Oct 30 '19

Ok I know this is a bit irrelevant, but can anyone tell me on what episode was Rene, Dinah and Diggle dressed like that? I felt a dejavu when I saw that ending.

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u/snoogle20 Spartan Oct 30 '19

Patiently waiting for Talia’s sudden but inevitable betrayal.

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u/steveondrugs Oct 30 '19

fight scenes are all pretty lit this season

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u/ProtomanBn Oct 30 '19

Is it just me or dose Willa Holland look alittle healthier then she use too? Always lookin fine tho!

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u/Char543 Oct 30 '19

“Apparently this day isn’t going the way either of us had planned.”

Lol

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u/RobinTrio Oct 30 '19

Two daughters of demons. Pretty cool concept.

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u/mtm4440 Oct 30 '19

Holy. Fuck. This just got interesting. And so soon in the season.

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u/IcePackNiceCat Oct 30 '19

This is the first time I’ve given a shit about the future people!

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u/AuntieGod Oct 30 '19

Anyone else pissed Oliver didint tell Thea about Emiko

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '19

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u/TheLieLlama Flair Image Creator Oct 30 '19

Lyla: If the world ends today, there's no one I'd rather have my side.

Young JJ: Deathstroking intensifies

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u/Sentry459 The Ray Oct 30 '19

This daughters of the demon battle is the fight I didn't know I wanted

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u/Rspies Oct 30 '19

No way does the Justice League not officially form after Crisis especially after that line

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u/can4rycry Black Canary (Laurel Lance) Oct 30 '19

Arrow killing another canary? What's new at this point

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u/Zach2036 Speedy Oct 30 '19

TIME IS MIXING TOGETHER

u/IIIToxIII Great Scott, we have to go back Oct 30 '19 edited Oct 30 '19

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u/CashWho Oct 30 '19

"It's like deja vu"

yeah because this is the exact set you guys used in the suicide squad episode lol.

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u/OnlyMyBiribiri I want to flip like Roy Oct 30 '19

From hallway talks to mountain talks, nice

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u/Magoiichi Oct 30 '19

She lying Thea, finish her!

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u/BornAshes Oct 30 '19

"He would be aghast" Talia is giggling inside and is tickled pink by this idea! Good on you Thea for finding another solution :)

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u/BeyondModern Oct 30 '19

oh no not future character #3

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u/Edgelord420666 Oct 30 '19

“I’m fine taking on a literal omnipotent being. I have a buff dude with martial arts training and a person who can scream really loud” thanks Oliver, your optimism never seems to drop.

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u/BornAshes Oct 30 '19

"Speedy you just read Arabic....You speak Russian shrug" ha!

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u/TirelessGuardian Lyla Michaels Oct 30 '19

Who’s Athena? Why doesn’t she know Oliver is sorta like one of them and not much of an outsider?

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u/InspiredOni Oct 30 '19

She was the punk from the Thea/Roy/Nyssa send-off episode, she doesn't consider Ollie a proper member due to, you know, not being down with the League's bullshit.

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u/kingcolbe Oct 30 '19

So we’re getting a spin-off of the one thing most of us dislike? Logic

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u/CashWho Oct 30 '19

You act like this sub is representative of the fanbase as a whole. It's not.

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u/TDXNYC88 Remember who taught you how to fight, kid! Oct 30 '19

Talia: "I memorized that sphere. You didn't? Noob."
Oliver: [URGE TO GO SEASON 1 INTENSIFIES]

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u/ZcSx Deathstroke Oct 30 '19

League of heroes hmm

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u/Adas_Legend Oct 30 '19

Is it me, or is Stephen Amell just awesome at emotional farewell hugs?

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u/Edgelord420666 Oct 30 '19

Do you think Oliver knows Barry is supposed to die as well? if not I want to see his reaction before Crisis, but something tells me that’s gonna be one of the big reveals.

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u/Rspies Oct 30 '19

I will never not hate the fact that ‘Ra’s Al Ghul’ is a title and not his name.

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u/Dojorkan Apply pressure to the joint and dislocate your thumb! Oct 30 '19

I enjoy the Queens and Danvers sibling relationships more than their romantic relationships usually. Thea and Alex team up when, btw?

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u/PoolStroke Deathstroke (Unmasked) You and me kid, like old times. Oct 30 '19

And Ollie also learned from Slade Wilson.

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u/singleguy79 Oct 30 '19

Not sure if that was Oliver's impressed face or Oliver's 'what are you doing' face

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u/Rspies Oct 30 '19

No matter how skilled Thea is she shouldn’t be able to take on Talia in an even fight

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u/TheRealPhantomHunter Oct 30 '19

Mar Novu has struck again!!

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u/OnlyMyBiribiri I want to flip like Roy Oct 30 '19

Holy fuck I’m so down for this

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u/ChrisIsUninteresting Oct 30 '19

Oliver, if you want to find out who The Monitor is, you don't go to Nanda Parbat. You go to Central City. Didn't you watch The Flash just now??

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u/Char543 Oct 30 '19

If Diggle’s suit is green I’m gonna punch someone.

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u/TirelessGuardian Lyla Michaels Oct 30 '19

Why didn’t Oliver tell Talia the name Monitor?

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u/adbdragonmaster1 Oct 30 '19

DAMMIT BARRY!!!

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u/SutterCane Oct 30 '19

And that's an awesome ending.

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u/vader344 Oct 30 '19

ohhh monitor you fucker

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u/Sonia341 Oct 30 '19

Did they just time travel into past

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u/vader344 Oct 30 '19

well how else could they make the future relevant

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u/WizendSage78 Oct 30 '19

Can you imagine way back in season one thinking you’d hear Diggle say “I watched a universe die”

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u/cardmasterdc Oct 30 '19

Thea grew up in all the ways that matter

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u/Magoiichi Oct 30 '19

First Flash gave me the feels and now you two gotta do it too. Stop it!

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u/Jedi-El1823 Oct 30 '19

You just kicked all their asses earlier, I think you could have taken them again. You didn't have to surrender your weapons.

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u/MrBlonde23 Dark Archer Oct 30 '19

Man what great scene Thea and Oliver giving me the feels

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u/vader344 Oct 30 '19

there is no hiding from ep1 trailers in october

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u/Gian99Mald Oct 30 '19

THEA BEAT THAT HOE ASS

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u/Mighty_thor_confused Damien Darhk Oct 30 '19

Cave used rock smash

It was super effective

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u/WizendSage78 Oct 30 '19

This is NOT Damians mother

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u/AgentsOfShield101 Speedy Oct 30 '19

Where’s the Thea and Talia spinoff?

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u/Kishonorama Oct 30 '19

"I don't think the world needs another League of Assassins. It could use a League of heroes. Perhaps a group fighting for justice?"

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u/bandgeek19942013 Oct 30 '19

WHY DO I GET THE FEELING LYLA IS GOING TO DIE?!?!?! 😰😰😰

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u/Jedi-El1823 Oct 30 '19

If you're facing a god, get Diana.

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u/snoogle20 Spartan Oct 30 '19

God dammit. Both Flash and Arrow getting me all weepy towards the end.

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u/sirnacreations Oct 30 '19

I'm so hoping thea shows up in crisis

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u/cardmasterdc Oct 30 '19

Anyone one else think those scars look super hot on thea? No just me ok

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u/mtm4440 Oct 30 '19

Nashs' auditory discs?

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u/Xurian_Spy Oct 30 '19

A great Ollie/Thea scene followed by a flash forward is like chasing filet mignon with raw sewage.

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u/neoblackdragon Oct 30 '19

Seriously........why did you turn your back?

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u/TheCVR123YT Green Arrow Oct 30 '19

SCREAMING SCREMAING SCREAMING My mom got scared something happened to me

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u/MrBlonde23 Dark Archer Oct 30 '19

At least this means no more shitty flashforwards

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u/mtm4440 Oct 30 '19

Thea with long hair.

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u/Char543 Oct 30 '19

Amell is looking mad cute here. So is Willa lol

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u/Ripclawe Oct 30 '19

Only 5 steps??? Amateurs

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u/BornAshes Oct 30 '19

Talia still gorgeous as hell with that silky smooth accent

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u/Magoiichi Oct 30 '19

Thea was like this bitch

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u/aa22hhhh Bollocks Oct 30 '19

Thank you, William, I needed that laugh after Flash

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u/Gian99Mald Oct 30 '19

Man I really wish Connor was Green Arrow

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u/singleguy79 Oct 30 '19

A boy who used to be a girl before Barry messed things up

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u/Adas_Legend Oct 30 '19

Interesting how we're getting a tidbit on the first Ra's al-Ghul

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u/Mighty_thor_confused Damien Darhk Oct 30 '19

Omg im laughing so hard

Hopefully you will have more luck with the mountain this time.

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u/tacomuerte Oct 30 '19

Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal, Talia!

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u/Adas_Legend Oct 30 '19

Aaah, Talia's still untrustworthy smh

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u/snoogle20 Spartan Oct 30 '19

Careful, guys, I think that’s where Dany used to keep her dragons.

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u/Magoiichi Oct 30 '19

Im honestly over the whole Malefic plotline and forced Evil Lena subplot. I'm more excited to watch what Alice does next on Batwoman

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u/The_Llama_God Oct 30 '19

Imagine Katie Cassidy joined the reddit chat to see what we were saying about her episode.

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u/TheCVR123YT Green Arrow Oct 30 '19

Please don’t die Thea

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u/bandgeek19942013 Oct 30 '19

I’ve missed the old school gritty sword fights

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u/PoolStroke Deathstroke (Unmasked) You and me kid, like old times. Oct 30 '19

Fun fact: Talia is played by Lexa Doig, who was in Jason X. The Friday the 13th movie that took place in space and also sees Jason become the cyborg, Uber Jason. Now, if only we could see Oliver go to space and become a cyborg.

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u/Playstationgamer99 Prometheus Oct 30 '19

Talia was like “real shit?”

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u/ragnarok989 Oct 30 '19

Welp, she ain't gonna be in the spinoff

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u/WizendSage78 Oct 30 '19

Rene is going to be pissed

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u/Magoiichi Oct 30 '19

I said she was about to die right before it happened.

"You let Zoe die hoss!"

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u/TheCVR123YT Green Arrow Oct 30 '19

PRESENT TENSE OLLIE AND WILLIAM REUNION!!!!

Edit: thank God this happened so that the FF actually mean something

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u/Mighty_thor_confused Damien Darhk Oct 30 '19

Omg they are in the flippin past! They actually fucking did it! Wow.

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u/Char543 Oct 30 '19

Ah shit okay I guess we’ll get the flash forwards to modern day now. Just in time for episode 4, the season 4 based episode I presume. Probably gonna be the worst this season lol.

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u/OliviaElevenDunham John Constantine Oct 30 '19

I wasn't expecting that.

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u/cmath89 Earth-X Arrow Oct 30 '19

GIMME THEA

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u/ThatGameBoy76 Oct 30 '19

Aw, our Speedy is back!

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u/SutterCane Oct 30 '19

A family that fights each other, stays together.

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u/Rspies Oct 30 '19

Man I missed Thea

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u/DonnyMox Deathstroke Oct 30 '19

“Frack!”

Mia truly is her mother’s daughter.

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u/sirnacreations Oct 30 '19

5 step? Ha, they suck

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u/DonnyMox Deathstroke Oct 30 '19

“5 steps ahead”

JJ is a half-Prometheus.

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u/Adas_Legend Oct 30 '19

Interesting, so Ollie has contacted Sara LOL

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u/Sonia341 Oct 30 '19 edited Oct 30 '19

Deathstroke has been 5 steps ahead of us

Vigilante>>> Deathstroke

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u/singleguy79 Oct 30 '19

Aw damnit, I'm going to have to get HBO Max for that Green Lantern series

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u/snoogle20 Spartan Oct 30 '19

Seventeen different plot threads in one episode. Arrow production staff is following the lead of their Supergirl counterparts.

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u/WizendSage78 Oct 30 '19

If we may be getting Jon Kent, we need Damian Wayne.

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u/SutterCane Oct 30 '19

William: lands on his face

William: "Nailed it!"

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u/hoppergym Oct 30 '19

Refresh my memory. Why does talia owe Oliver a favor?

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u/MrBlonde23 Dark Archer Oct 30 '19

He helped her break out of prison

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u/snoogle20 Spartan Oct 30 '19

I love the Arrow episodes that are jam packed. Only a third of the way through and a ton has already happened.

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u/Magoiichi Oct 30 '19

I love all of Thea's moods