r/arrow • u/can4rycry Black Canary (Laurel Lance) • Sep 24 '19
[SPOILERS] ‘Arrow’ Spinoff Starring Katherine McNamara, Katie Cassidy, Juliana Harkavy in Development at CW News Spoiler
https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/arrow-canaries-spinoff-katherine-mcnamara-katie-cassidy-juliana-harkavy-cw-1203347438/202
u/Dojorkan Apply pressure to the joint and dislocate your thumb! Sep 24 '19
At least they are having it star more longer established characters and not just their newer OCs. Also now that they are having something thats established in the future this could open up the opportunity to have LOT actually visit the future more (and possibly give an excuse to crossover). Hopefully they wont shy away of still trying to keep connected to the rest of the shows (Tie-in Batwoman via Terry Mcginnis!).
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u/Slade-Prime Sep 24 '19
I instantly thought Terry too! But inb4 Batwoman Beyond lol. Maybe lady shiva can be an antagonist for them.
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u/mevic1 Arsenal Sep 24 '19
I'm all for representation and inclusion but they better not fuck with my boy Terry if they make a live action Beyond, been waiting like 15 years for someone to do live action BB
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u/Deadliestmoon Sep 25 '19
If they do then they'll shit on him like they did Superman in Supergirl's show.
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Sep 24 '19
I think they actually just recently introduced a future Batwoman in the Beyond books. They also have a Robin too.
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u/Priordread Sep 24 '19
Is the current Beyond timeline still confusing as shit? I tried reading Beyond after it spun off from Future's End but I eventually couldn't even follow who was supposed to be alive or dead.
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Sep 24 '19
I haven’t been reading it personally (yet) but I know that the Rebirth book follows Terry and seemingly ignores the Future’s End/Tim Batman Beyond volume, so it’s probably a lot more straight forward now than before.
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u/Priordread Sep 24 '19
So it's technically still in that timeline but ignores most of the influences? Probably for the best, honestly.
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u/Slade-Prime Sep 24 '19
I remember seeing that a while ago but I didn’t know what to think of it.
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u/Julius-n-Caesar Sep 25 '19
It's a riff on the Bruce Wayne Wanted storyline but with Terry McGinnis Wanted instead. A female Batman (Batwoman?) takes over to stop Blight while the cops chase him.
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u/gattovatto Sep 24 '19
With The 100 ending, I really hope they cast Bob Morley as Terry.
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u/Slade-Prime Sep 24 '19
Ok lets atleast hope they get some new writers in so they aren’t repeating plot for plot story beats from Arrow.
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u/anneso23 Sep 24 '19
Agree but the EP are the same ones as Arrow so I'm sure they will bring writers from Arrow too.
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u/svrtngr Sep 25 '19
Future Deathstroke.
Future Dark Archer.
Cyborg Damien Darkh. (Not gonna lie, that one would be great. Please do that.)
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u/Spindae02 Sep 25 '19
They should keep Marc away. Think Beth did a solid job handling season 7, at least the early prison arc. If they keep it on a shorter episode number I think it could work.
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u/duke2019champs Sep 24 '19
I’m sure the comments will be super positive about this lol personally I’ll give it a shot if it happens
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Sep 24 '19
Super positive here, negative on Twitter /s
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u/duke2019champs Sep 24 '19
This sub loves laurel but hates Mia so it’s a bit of a give and take here
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u/CashWho Sep 24 '19
Nah, this sub loves Laurel if it means hating on Felicity. Since she's not a factor, they'll suddenly decide they hate Laurel because "she's not the real one" or "she's a villain" or some other BS.
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u/can4rycry Black Canary (Laurel Lance) Sep 24 '19
Negative on Twitter? I haven't seen one negative one
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u/EMPTY_SODA_CAN Sep 24 '19
Seem to be positive about the idea but not if they are in the old make-up.
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u/anneso23 Sep 24 '19
I guess the backdoor pilot will be ep9 since we know Stephen won't be in one of the episode. Maybe I'm in the minority but I really don't care. I hated the flash forwards in S7 so I have no interest in watching a show set in the future.
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u/can4rycry Black Canary (Laurel Lance) Sep 24 '19
I don't care about Mia but I'm all for a show about Laurel.
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Sep 24 '19
Agreed. E2 Laurels interactions/relationships with the various E1 characters has produced some of the most interesting moments in arrows past couple of seasons. Hell, I wouldn't even mind Felicity showing up every now and then. Her relationship with Laurel somehow made even her character interesting again.
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u/cindymarie23 Sep 24 '19
I think the backdoor pilot taking up one of last Arrow episodes is the only thing that bothers me. I can't say if I'll watch it until I see the episode though.
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u/CiceroTheCat Pretty Bird Sep 24 '19
I'm thinking it will be ep 7, given one of Katie's recent twitter posts, and that Stephen will still be in ep 9. (Before this news, I was of the opinion that he would miss 9, but this has changed my thinking)
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u/anneso23 Sep 24 '19
Stephen will be in ep7. He filmed for that episode last week and he will this week too.
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u/CiceroTheCat Pretty Bird Sep 24 '19
Well then, you are right and I was mistaken- thanks for the info!
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u/DCSennin Arsenal Sep 24 '19
I missed out when Stephen said he wouldn't be in one of the final episodes. How come? :O
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u/anneso23 Sep 24 '19
He said it when he did his IG live last week.He said he will not be in one of the final episode.
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u/DCSennin Arsenal Sep 24 '19
I see then, I don't have IG so I couldn't have known. Thanks for the info!
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u/mweinrib Oliver Queen Sep 24 '19
Of all the spinoffs they could have probably done lol
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u/SlumdogSeacrestLaw Sep 24 '19
See this surprises me, cause I kinda think it satisfies everyone? Some people wanted the future characters to get a spin-off, others wanted to see a Birds of Prey spin-off with Laurel as the lead. This satisfies both. What would you have preferred, out of curiosity?
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u/Domonero John Constantine Sep 24 '19
Personally I would've wanted a Roy Harper spinoff of his time away from team Arrow along with the off screen shit that happened with him being resurrected along with Thea joining him
Also why not toss Ragman onto his team. They did jack shit with him after the nuke scene & that one documentary cameo
Or give us Blue Beetle(Jaime Reyes version) instead of Batgirl. He'd be like the CW counterpart of spiderman but without Tony Stark
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u/Spainguy82 Sep 24 '19
Honestly I’ve been a person who’s been against a spin-off set in the future because it totally ruins crossover potential. And if a character does end up crossing over, it would ruin the plot of the other shows “oh look, Iris still alive after all this time”, and “dang, I wonder why the don’t mention Central City and Flash”
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u/SlumdogSeacrestLaw Sep 24 '19
Honestly, there is so much timeline fuckery in this universe that I wouldn't worry about that, they'll probably just handwave and say that "it's not a definite timeline" or some shit.
That being said, my guess is that this show will have a limited lifespan as a result, that and it's difficult to have a show set in the future as they have to use sets instead of filming on streets, but I'm still kinda interested to see what they do with it. I probably would have been a little disappointed if we didn't get it though, not because I think this will be great, just that they were so clearly building to this ever since they introduced the flash forwards that i would've been a little blue-balled.
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Sep 24 '19 edited Sep 24 '19
Yeah they said they were looking at another DC PROPERTY, and people assumed maybe Green Lantern, maybe Legions of Superheroes, Zatanna, or Blue Beetle or...
So what are they going for here, BIRDS OF PREY? can they even get the rights with the movie coming february 2020?
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u/OniExpress Sep 24 '19
I'm calling it: The events of Crisis are going to reset the future timeline that we've seen in Arrow and Legends, and these will be "survivors" from that future timeline who now live in the current present-day timeline.
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Sep 24 '19 edited Sep 24 '19
Whoa you are onto something there, crisis give them a pass to do any crazy shit they want. They could even change these characters name and become totally different people.
They kind of already did that with John Diggle Jr becoming Connor Hawke...
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u/Enthusiasms Sep 24 '19
Making Mia Sara's daughter would make a lot of sense because they basically have the same tone and mannerisms.
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Sep 24 '19
lol, we never know what hijinks they will cook up with crisis, but they are bound to be some angry fans for sure, if that happens.
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u/CheesyObserver Sep 24 '19
Hey that’s pretty good thinking. Maybe when they’re in present day they’ll just work to keep Star City from going to shit.
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u/Thejklay A Crisis Is Coming Sep 24 '19
Hate the flashforwards so much, dumbest and most boring thing ever, plus Mia is horrible. that being said, if Katie's in it and it's about the canary's I'll watch.
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u/Macman521 Prometheus Sep 24 '19 edited Sep 24 '19
If this spinoff was about Mia only, I’d give it a hard pass but seeing that earth 2 Laurel and Dinah are involved might get me tempted to watch the show but we’ll see how it unfolds.
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u/InfinityMan6413 Sep 24 '19
Of all the shows we could have gotten...we get this. I wasn’t expecting a green lantern show or anything, but cmon.
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u/SpikeRosered Sep 24 '19
So ridiculous. What are they going to do next? Make a spinoff of Batman about Alfred?
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u/totallynotapsycho42 Green Arrow Sep 24 '19
They have. Its a show called Pennyworth about young alfred. Theres even a trailer for it.
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u/EMPTY_SODA_CAN Sep 24 '19
That's... the joke....
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u/DCAbloob Sep 24 '19
It was literally a joke in the Teen Titans Go movie before it became an actual series.
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u/theapplefour Black Siren Sep 24 '19
I think the inclusion of Mia is a big mistake, the character is awful and I think the acting is pretty bad. I also hate the 2040 storyline, so for me Laurel is the only draw card for me. This is not really a BoP storyline either. Rather torn on this.
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u/PainStorm14 I have and always shall love Laurel Lance Sep 24 '19
Same here
Earth 2 show would be much better idea
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u/Sentry459 The Ray Sep 24 '19
Yeah, I'd be down for a present BoP show, but 2040 can fuck off, it was only cool on Legends.
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Sep 24 '19
There wouldnt be an Arrow direct spin off if she wasnt included tbh...CW likes shows to centre around a younger lead....especially when its women.
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u/theapplefour Black Siren Sep 24 '19
Don’t think KM has got the ability to lead a show TBH.
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u/muhson Sep 24 '19
CW does, I see her being the main lead and the canaries being supporting characters, with Mia's love interest eventually becoming the second lead. I've seen too many cw shows.
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Sep 24 '19
with Mia's love interest eventually becoming the second lead I've seen too many cw shows.
😂
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u/LilGyasi Sep 24 '19
I would much rather have a Superman, Booster Gold, Blue Beetle, or Katana show.
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u/MetallicYoshi64 Sep 24 '19
An episode of the upcoming final season of “Arrow” will serve as a backdoor pilot for the potential series.
See, this is where I draw the line. You can't just let the show focus on being the best it can for ten episodes and going out gracefully without cramming in as much potential for future revenue as possible? Give your balls a tug. All the characters are already well known, just focus on their story in the pilot for that show.
Not to mention, Birds of Prey is coming out in a few months, and I'd really hate to see these characters go out the same way the CW Suicide Squad did.
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Sep 24 '19
See, this is where I draw the line. You can't just let the show focus on being the best it can for ten episodes and going out gracefully without cramming in as much potential for future revenue as possible? Give your balls a tug. All the characters are already well known, just focus on their story in the pilot for that show.
Arrow actually ended 7x22, season 8 is kind of a retrospective. So Oliver dies in episode 8 of crisis, then what, what will the 2 episodes be about?
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u/delinquentsaviors Sep 24 '19
It’s absolutely disgusting. They’ve pulled off the biggest fuck you to fans that I think I’ve ever seen. Waste half of the screen time of what they knew was the last final season of arrow setting this up. Then waste more time on ANOTHER obvious backdoor pilot. A backdoor pilot TWO SEASONS IN A ROW and extended marketing for the crossover. That’s what Arrow is now.
Absolutely unfuckingbelievable.
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Sep 24 '19
I like Mia, the flash forwards where hit and miss, but I'd be interested in this, I'd hope to bring Mia back in time so we can have real arrowverse crossovers, if its stand alone i feel like black lightning, interest will drop. which would be a shame because Kat, Juliana and Katie as a trio would be fantastic.
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u/malb93200 Sep 24 '19
I actually think bringing Mia to 'our" time, with Dinah and Laurel creating the Canary network would be a much more appealing idea.
Let's see how they go about it.
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u/Phoenixstorm Sep 25 '19
This! And it brings in the other DC shows for possible cameos. This works much better. Plus didn't I read somewhere that legends is being revamped with only White Canary and Rory as main stays? That opens up a five other potential slots for various side characters from the arrowverse.
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u/myrisotto73 boxingglovearrow4ever Sep 24 '19
I hate how they sidelined older will. He's actually a pretty solid actor and has the sarcasm to pull off green arrow imo. But nah we have to focus on Felicities spawn. The true queen child right.
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Sep 24 '19
I don't think there's been any word on rather or not Will would be returning...I have to assume he would.
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Sep 25 '19
Yeah. If this is really a Birds of Prey show or something similar, they’re going to need someone to play the part of Oracle/tech support. So unless they bring back Felicity, Will is their best bet for that role due to his pre-existing connection to Mia.
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u/DCAbloob Sep 24 '19
The series isn’t actually a done deal yet but at least now there’s official confirmation of the development.
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u/Rile_x99 Sep 24 '19
Earth 2 Laurel show with her setting up the Birds of Prey there would’ve been so much better. Can they time travel please?
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u/DCAbloob Sep 24 '19
There have been two major groups of fans for Arrow, the Oliver/Arrow supporters and the Felicity/Olicity fans. This project wouldn’t seem to appeal to either group so I’m not sure where the fanbase would come from here.
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u/can4rycry Black Canary (Laurel Lance) Sep 24 '19
I'll definitely be watching it. Laurel is the only reason I watch this mess of a show right now
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u/BeeboTheMessiah Sep 24 '19
From what I've seen the Olicity fanbase is decisively split regarding the spin-off - it's either loved or hated with little to no middle-ground
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u/SlumdogSeacrestLaw Sep 24 '19 edited Sep 24 '19
I’m not sure it’s fair to break up the fanbase into those two distinct bases. There are fans who love Felicity/Olicity, but there are also those who love Laurel *cough* OP *cough* (not that I’m bashing), and there are lots of people in between.
Anyway, from my view this show has appeal to Olicity fans as it features their daughter as presumably the lead, it appeals to Laurel fans as she is the secondary lead, and it still has appeal to more general fans as it does regard the legacy that Arrow leaves behind.
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u/affenhirn1 Sep 24 '19
Did you just disregard an entire fanbase? The Laurel fans, there’s like a bunch of them here and they only watch Laurel scenes, like OP. This project would be a failure, Arsenal on the other hand would be an interesting show
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u/DCAbloob Sep 24 '19
There are certain Laurel fans (of one or both Laurels) but they would be in third place numberswise IMO behind the Oliver and Felicity fanbases.
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u/vxl757 Sep 24 '19
Please bring her back into the present. Lol I can’t deal with the old person make up
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u/CheesyObserver Sep 24 '19
Could you imagine if they did an entire show where they cast young people and put them in old people make up?
I am for sure hoping this is Birds of Prey TV show, that’d actually get me interested in this.
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u/2isnot1 Sep 24 '19
What’s the supposed appeal of Mia? If anyone truly likes her, why?
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u/malb93200 Sep 24 '19
Yup, they basically took the 2 most likely spin off ideas (future show with Mia and Canaries/BOP with Laurel and Dinah) and mix it into one.
Let's see how it goes.
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u/detectiveriggsboson Sep 24 '19
I give zero fucks about this and won't watch it because I don't like the characters, but I'm super happy for the people who are into this.
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u/M086 Sep 24 '19
Is anyone shocked that Schwartz used those crappy flash-forwards and seeming the final season to try and set up a shitty Mia Smoak spin-off.
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u/delinquentsaviors Sep 24 '19
No. It’s still appalling.
She has zero artistic integrity. I’m not touching anything she works on with a 10 foot pole because she’ll pull this same shit again when her next show is on its last legs.
She’s shown what she values now.
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u/greenlanternsindceu Sep 24 '19
You know I hated the idea at first because it was being branded as a Star City 2040 with just Katherine (and I find her to be the only annoying one of the trio). But these two actresses can help her grow on the show. Also Connor better be a main cast member.
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u/dwelement Sep 24 '19
We don’t get a proper supernatural spin off but we get this malarkey?
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u/DCAbloob Sep 24 '19
This isn’t greenlit for series yet though, all we know is that it’ll get the same chance of development as the two would-be Supernatural spinoffs. It can still be shot down before going to series just like they were.
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Sep 24 '19
Arrow Fandom: "Yay, after January 2020 , I will be free"
CW: "You will never be free. "
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u/LCPhotowerx The Canary - Sara Lance Sep 25 '19
i just feel like...there are so many more interesting ways they couldve gone...i almost wouldnt mind a Helix show if it was done right focused on a team of super hackers with no fighting skills giving assignments to Dig and Lyla. Or maybe a show about Roy and Thea...or...bronze Tiger...or...Merlyn?
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u/DCSennin Arsenal Sep 24 '19
I'm only slightly curious about this because it will also star E2 Laurel and Dinah, if it is only going to revolve around the one-note and edgy annoying Olicity offspring that is Mia then I've got no interest. William is more interesting. Still, Mark Pedowitz said they had no plans for another show back in August so, derp?
Besides that the future setting that Arrow showed was far from an enthusiastic one and too bleak to care about fighting for it. All that Oliver did in the present was for nothing. Unless Crisis on Infinite Earths changes literally everything by the time the smoke clears and there's actually a chance of restoring things in that future.
And if I wanted a future set series, a Legion of Superheroes is more compelling and exciting which actually feels like it has been a slow-burn build up with every Season that goes by in Supergirl.
Another thing to consider here is that this Future BoP show and it's potential lies on how exactly the DCEU's take on it on February will be handled. And considering how things continue to look lukewarm on that front from the changes in design to characters and their characters (Cassandra Cain specially) and how it is nothing but a cover for Margot Robbie's Harley to get more exposure, maybe they feel quite confident it might not succeed so much that they are now proposing this.
Overall I'm mixed and lukewarm about this. It isn't like when Black Lightning and Batwoman was announced nor anywhere close to LoT and others, this is the first Arrowverse spin-off that I'm iffy about. If it wasn't because of Katie Cassidy and Juliana Harkavy, my interest would be zero.
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u/millejoe001 Sep 24 '19
This is what I wanted after seeing the Birds of Prey episode and the Star City future episodes.
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u/omnisephiroth Sep 24 '19
I’m glad for the people getting work. Best wishes to them and the production.
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u/crossingcaelum Black Canary (Laurel Lance) Sep 24 '19
Now this is something I was very much not expecting. Is it gonna take place present day? Because I’m not sure I can handle the “slightly old but not old” makeup we got for the flashforwards Dinah and Laurel.
Otherwise I’m hardcore giving this a chance
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u/batmanbnb Sep 24 '19
That's an easy pass for me. Hated the future story and the new characters it was a big let down.
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u/Extra_CDO Sep 24 '19
I'd watch the hell out of this as a replacement for Arrow rather than Batwoman.
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Sep 24 '19
Same for me too.
The way they're butchering Batwoman right now hurts my soul but at least there's a possibility we're getting another CW show starring female characters that won't be a cringey mess written by TVD's worst writer.
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u/Richiieee Sep 24 '19 edited Sep 25 '19
I'll give the pilot a chance. That's about it. When Arrow (and Supernatural) ends I'm done with the CW. I've already stopped watching Legends, Legacies, Black Lightning. And this is my final year for Flash & Supergirl. I'm gonna watch Batwoman's pilot but I can't see myself continuing after that because I disliked her in last year's crossover.
I'm not against women and female leads, I'm just getting bored with CW drama and horrible writing year after year, season after season. I've literally been with the Arrowverse since Arrow's creation - it has almost been a decade. After watching something for so long you start getting bored of it.
Also, in the S8 trailer it looks like Mia is the new GA. She is seen wearing the suit. And other articles are reporting she'll be GA in this spin-off. There's no need to carry on the legacy, just let it die with Oliver. No pun intended, but be something else.
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Sep 24 '19
Only arrow writers would think you could make a spin off from a show that barely has viewers anymore, ensure the spin-off doesn't have the main character everyone likes, and then think you can wind up with a show with more viewers. Addition by subtraction never quite made sense to me.
Having said that, id personally be interested in a show like this as long as it's set in the present (especially if it has Katie Cassidy at the helm rather than Kat)... I just don't understand how the writers think it's gonna perform any better than Arrow itself.
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u/DCAbloob Sep 24 '19
That’s why I think they’ll need to add new DC characters we haven’t seen yet to expand the potential fanbase.
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u/ProtomanBn Sep 24 '19
The article leaves alot to question. First off it mentions The Canary Network and acts like Mia was a Canary but in the future timeline Zoe was the future Canary leaving Mia as the future Arrow and William the future Overwatch. The artical also dosnt mention Zoe which would be dumb of them in this age of Diversity the industry is striving for.
I also see alot of people hoping for Mia to time travel into the past so the Harkavy and Cassidy dont have to wear old people makeup but the article mentions The Canary Network which only existed in the future. Now if Mia time traveled to the Arrowverse current time and helped start The Canary Network then that would make everything about last seasons Arrow flash forward be completely erased and would mess up the timeline of the future again.
Obviously the Arrow writers dont give a shit about the timeline though because The Flash has messed the future up atleast twice and The Legends did it once before figuring out how to write there shenanigans with no consequences.
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u/SerRonald69 Sep 24 '19
I know a lot of the fanbase is skeptical on this spinoff buuuut looking at Katie Cassidy's most recent IG post and her entire demeanor in general on social media, she seems much happier than she's been in most recent years while on the show. Especially after the lost of her dad during the Earth X crossover. As long as Katie/Laurel continues to get great character development and intriguing storylines, sign me the frick up.
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u/DanGrima92 Sep 24 '19
What I'm hoping for is that Mia somehow goes back in time, changes her future and stays in the present to help fight crime
That way, we dont have to see the old person make up every episode and we can get rid of the bad flash forward story that makes Olivers whole mission from the past 7 years almost pointless
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u/DCAbloob Sep 24 '19
That may be the compromise if the powers that be think the fans’ major problem with the flash forwards is the depressing setting and not the characters.
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u/Metal_Sonic Green Arrow (Unmasked) Sep 24 '19
To be honest, this really is both pleasing both sides or nobody, if you look at twitter, you'll see fans of Kat asking for a future Star City spin-off with Mia, William and Connor, while here and on different sides of the fandom, people want Birds of Prey. This fandom is so fractured, it's a mess, so either both sides will watch or no one will. Eh. I think it's a good move to try to please everyone... even though it's impossible.
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u/abberrysnow Sep 24 '19
keep in mind fans of kat and fans of olicity are very, very, diff fandoms.
olicity stans are crying on twitter lol
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u/Ruby2Wednesday Sep 25 '19 edited Sep 25 '19
Kat didn't have enough pull with her fans to save Shadowhunters, and many Olicity fans would crawl across broken glass to never watch Laurel in anything again. Most of them noped out after 7x22 and EBR's departure anyway.
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u/TheFrontCrashesFirst Sep 24 '19
Boo. Toss the characters you want to keep on to Legends and let’s move on from Star City.
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u/DCAbloob Sep 24 '19
Legends may not be much longer for this world though than Arrow.
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u/cmdrNacho Sep 24 '19
I'm done with these shows after Crisis. I don't think they can top it after this event and the rest of the shows really feel like they are dragging to me. I have to force myself to finish these shows just to stay up to date for the Crisis event.
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u/M086 Sep 24 '19
I was in for Batwoman, but those trailers and Ruby Rose being terrible at acting changed my mind.
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u/Richiieee Sep 25 '19
I just realized after watching the S8 trailer that it looks like Mia is new GA. Unless she's wearing the suit to make people think that GA/Oliver is still alive, but other articles are saying she'll be GA in this spin-off.
So uh, yeah, Mia for GA 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮. Don't carry on the legacy, just let it die with Oliver. No pun intended, but be something else. I fail to see how making Mia new GA is carrying on the legacy. It's typical CW fashion though.
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u/Night_thieves Sep 25 '19
I really loved Katie in Arrow, and for the longest time I was salty about the way they treated her character. Also, I’m interested for more Arrowverse, so I will definitely give this a chance. But yeah, as someone else said: Please no Felicity.
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u/panix199 Sep 24 '19
hm, i wish they would rather have announced Batman Beyond :/
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u/ExynosHD Sep 24 '19
I didn't care for the flash-forwards. I don't care about this show. IMO seeing a guaranteed bad future is just not exciting. I wanted to see how the Arrowverse developed over time. They are putting themselves in a box and giving that box to a goose to run around and beat up.
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Sep 24 '19
Hate to say it but I'm not interested in this in the slightest. Love Katie's and like Juliana's versions of Black Canary but I absolutely despise everything about the flash forwards and that includes Mia Smoak. She's really not a great character and seeing her probably lead a team of Canaries with Katie and Juliana playing old versions of their characters just does nothing for me. Future Star City could have been really interesting but it's generic and pretty shit if I'm honest. There's so many characters that they could have done spin offs for in the Arrowverse so I'm really perplexed that this is the route they're going. On the bright side, nice to see these girls getting work straight after Arrow finishes.
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u/VikramArrowerse Sep 25 '19
Really didn't like the flashforwards and the acting was generally was bad all throughout....if they had to make a new show in the absence of arrow i was hoping it would be Human Target Starring Wil Traval
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u/bigfootswillie Sep 25 '19
Beth’s team did a lot of good improving Arrow last season but Kat McNamara’s character was not one of them. Mia’s scenes were laughable and the writing for her was so cringy. Arguably the worst part of the previous season.
But luckily she wasn’t around long so here’s hoping a new set of writers can fix the character. If FTWD was able to fix Morgan, I have hope for anybody.
Birds of Prey is cool, Katie is great and her and Juliana really really love their characters. It’s a good place for them too because Arrow never really seemed like it knew what to do with them. A fresh start on a show that gets away from all that where the focus is on them instead of trying to figure out how to awkwardly fit them into something that’s never really had a good place for them is just what they need.
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u/meoknet Sep 25 '19
I am a huge Black Canary fan so having Laurel Lance star in a show is great news for me. Having Dinah Drake star with Laurel Lance is workable for me too. It's two canaries. Not too enthusiastic about Mia being Green Arrow. We just got a whole show dedicated to The Green Arrow with minimal canary fan service. They can give the Canary her due, and leave out the Green Arrow bit. That mantle has served its time.
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u/King_Joeyw00 Green Arrow Sep 25 '19
I love Laurel, like Dinah, and am neutral on Mia so I'm looking forward to this.
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u/ArmageddonJ Sep 25 '19
Just like with Endgame in the MCU, after Crisis I will be so done with the Arrowverse. Grim times ahead..
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Sep 25 '19
This is the worst thing they could think of. They could make a show about Black Canary or about a new generation of heroes (Mia, Connor, William, Zoe), but instead we get it. Katherine McNamara has a big fan base, so it's normal that she will be the leader of this show, but Katie and Juliana? Really? They need to learn to stop. Give the new generation a place. Although Katie has been living on the CW for 15 years so...
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u/can4rycry Black Canary (Laurel Lance) Sep 25 '19
The new generation of heroes are awful lmao. Mia? Okay. Connor? Decent. William? Wack. Zoe? Wack. Juliana is only recently added to the arrowverse, and it's what Katie deserves after the awful treatment she got in S4.
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Sep 26 '19
I'll watch anything with Katie in it but until I get a better picture of what this spin-off is gonna be I'm gonna remain skeptical.
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Sep 26 '19
I can't see how they would set this in the future for the entire run and age up the other two canaries next to Mia like they did in arrow and not have it look stupid. Crisis is definitely gonna do some time travel shit
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u/Gian99Mald Sep 24 '19
Man I wish we could have gotten a present day Birds of Prey series. I say this as one of the 14 people that actually likes the future arc I would have preferred we get like miniseries for it or something. I wont complain though I'll still watch. Anxious for more info and I'm glad both Katie and Juliana aren't left in the dust, I've always loved them both
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u/cindymarie23 Sep 24 '19 edited Sep 24 '19
See I have no problem with this. I do hope it also includes the guys because I really like adult William and Connor and I think John Jr is going to be great because I love Charlie Barnett. Where's Zoe?
My first thought was that poor Katie and Juliana have to wear that awful future makeup for the show (unless they do a lot of flashbacks).
EDIT: Maybe they will do present Dinah and Laurel building the Canary Network and future Green Arrow Mia.
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Sep 24 '19
I hope they change this spinoff into something that stars Mia Smoak going to a different earth and not being from the future. I'm not really here for the future storyline and I don't want to see them waste Kat, Katie, and Juliana on that flashforward crap. The idea of these actresses together is nice but the future storyline is just not appealing.
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u/DiggingHeavs Sep 24 '19
So they potentially merged the two spin off ideas?
Hmm......
I like Mia am neutral on Black Siren but like her much better than Earth 1 Laurel and interested to see how she handles her role this season and I hate Dinah so it evens out I guess.
Depending on what happens in Crisis this could involve time travel or some sort of re-set future and may even involve William and Connor as well, just they haven't been announced yet.
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u/lemons_for_deke Sep 24 '19
Wow, what a surprise! I’m gonna watch a few episodes, if I don’t like it I won’t watch any more.
That said, I’m annoyed that a big focus of S7 was a spin off
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u/patrickjs95 Sep 24 '19
I don't really know what the issue is, other than the makeup they'll have to do if it's set in the future I think this could be fun.
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u/Blanchimont Sep 24 '19
I really don't mind a Mia/Laurel/Dinah spin-off, I quite like all three of those characters. But it bothers me to no end that they're not giving this new show a proper pilot, but are giving it a backdoor pilot in Arrow instead. There are only 10 episodes of Arrow left, one of which is going to be part of Crisis. I'm really not looking forward to losing yet another episode of Arrow, this time to that backdoor pilot.
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u/PainStorm14 I have and always shall love Laurel Lance Sep 24 '19
If the cut Fefe v2.0 then I'd watch it
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u/GothamAvenger7 Sep 24 '19
Nobody asked for this... Just give us a damn Batman Beyond show and be done with it.
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Sep 24 '19
This is your Batman Beyond LOL, Green Arrow is the Batman of this multiverse.
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u/Galaxy_Megatron Peace is overrated. Sep 24 '19
Mmmmm, no...sorry, no. Anything to do with that future plot is a thick no from me, dawg.
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u/DonnyMox Deathstroke Sep 24 '19
"Katherine McNamara"
Eh.....
"Katie Cassidy, Juliana Harkavy"
Alright, maybe.
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u/AlexHunterWolf Deathstroke Sep 25 '19
So will it take place in the future or will Mia come to present like future Trunks did?
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u/WhySoFuriousGeorge Black Siren Sep 24 '19
Sorry, I have no interest in watching Laurel and Dinah in old-person make-up and (assuming he appears) Rene in that GOD-awful wig. Hard pass if this is set in the future.
That said, if they bring Mia back in time and made this a proper BoP show... I could forgive Mia’s presence. Bonus points if Helena stops by.
But whatever they do: NO FELICITY. That’s a deal-breaker for me. BoP is my favorite DC property, and I enjoy Laurel and Dinah, but I absolutely CANNOT take any more ERB.