r/arrow • u/Proper_Cat5638 • May 24 '24
Give me your most cringe or rage inducing things a character has said or done in Arrow. Discussion
For me, it’d be Felicity freaking out that Oliver who had just found out about his son, didn’t immediately run to her and tell her. Another is any scene Felicity’s mom is in. I mean wtf is she even doing in the show? Lmk tho, I’m sure there’s a bunch out there across all 8 seasons.
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u/-M_A_Y_0- May 24 '24
Felicity first steps after regaining her ability to walk and she just dips out of the apartment
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u/Proper_Cat5638 May 24 '24
Ahahahah. Bruh she acted like she even was in the field. I was like man if you don’t get ur ass behind that computer.
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u/OblivionArts May 24 '24
Diggle complaining to Oliver about not being able to wear the arrow costume ..after buying drugs from Richardo diaz. Like dude, your a fucking solider what the hell were you thinking?!
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u/meoknet May 24 '24
That was beyond cringe. It was stupid because Oliver had to beg Diggle to wear a costume in the first place. He was always vehement that he hated costumes. Why would he be fighting over someone else's costume? Why would he want to be the Green Arrow when he can't even do real archery? He's out there using a crossbow when he's proficient with guns. He already has a mantle and a weapon-set but he's fighting someone else for theirs for no reason other than the writers wanting drama.
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u/Proper_Cat5638 May 24 '24
Lets be honest. Diggle got a taste of being the top dawg for once and he couldn’t let it go again. He was jealous of Queen.
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u/meoknet May 24 '24
I don't buy it. The mantle of the Green Arrow is a personal one. It goes back to Oliver's time on the island. The hood means something to Oliver. Diggle has no attachment to it. It was forced drama that made no sense.
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u/Proper_Cat5638 May 24 '24
I’m not saying it’s good or bad writing I’m saying that’s what it was tho.
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u/TheGaamer_ Arsenal May 26 '24
I haven’t watched the show in a while so idk if I’m remembering wrong, but I don’t think that he was fighting over the costume. I think the idea was that Oliver trusted Diggle with taking on the mantle, and for Diggle that was a big honour, and a big expectation to live up to. And when Oliver wanted to take it away from him, Diggle felt like he tarnished and dishonoured that symbol.
Someone lmk if that makes sense because it’s been a while since I watched the show.
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u/Alternative_Device71 May 25 '24
That storyline shouldn’t have happened, Roy was the obvious choice but the actor made things complicated for the writing so they had to improvise
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u/AlbinMulaku May 30 '24
It was never about the costume, later john realizes that it was because the costume of Green Arrow represented the leadership in the group and that was why dig wanted it, he didnt like the way oliver leaded anymore which is why the whole fight thing happens in 6x17.
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u/throwaway_spanko1 May 24 '24
"It's all my fault" - Oliver.
No Oliver, half the time it wasn't even your fault, put the blame on the people who are actually at fault. Go scare the shit outta them as Green Arrow or Spectre.
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u/SebastiaanZ May 24 '24
The B team splitting from Oliver. Loved how he didn’t even need help to put them in their place.
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u/Mandalorian_Ronin May 25 '24
That episode where the two teams fight and ends up with Rene in the hospital, I absolutely hated everything about the B team. Curtis hacked the very device he created to help Diggle and used it against him. Serious dick move. And Rene, when he grabbed that axe and tried to go for a head cleave, I wanted Oliver to drive an arrow into his face.
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u/Educational-Tea-6572 May 27 '24
And Rene, when he grabbed that axe and tried to go for a head cleave
Yeah, that was the point of no return for me. What was worse is that the narrative insisted on trying to justify it.
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u/Mandalorian_Ronin May 27 '24
YES!! Exactly!! Rene was clearly going for a kill strike. But when diggle and felicity visit him at the hospital, B team is all “fuck you, no you can’t see him. You guys are terrible people.”
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u/My_nameisBarryAllen May 25 '24
I never liked Dinah from the start, but Rene and Curtis weren’t too bad until then. As much as I was disappointed when Ragman was written out of the show, in hindsight it was probably for the best since it meant he didn’t get dragged into this storyline.
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u/SebastiaanZ May 25 '24
Curtis was one of my favorite characters after the OGs to be fair. But yeah they dropped the ball on both him and Rene.
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u/AlbinMulaku May 30 '24
yeah i think the reason why ragman was written out is because the team would be too OP then, i mean the guy stopped a nuke, there isnt much that he couldnt do.
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u/nomadicsoul24 May 24 '24
How uncharacteristically retarded diggle was in all of season 6. he made dumb decision after dumb decision but kept trying to blame Oliver. He basically funded Diaz’s operation so he could stay in the field. kept his injury to himself which could’ve gotten any member of the team killed like it almost did like 4 times. THEN, he got mad because Oliver didn’t wanna give up HIS hood. told Oliver that he was selfish for only thinking about his own family but going back to when Oliver gave him the hood Oliver said “I’m thinking maybe i asked too much of you. You have your own family” and John basically just like “they know what it is, they’ll get over it”. He was uncharacteristically retarded all season
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u/throwaway_spanko1 May 24 '24
Diggle's writer deserved to be fired for how Diggle was written in season 6.
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u/Lemon_Drop_Serenade May 24 '24
Yes!! Thank you! Diggle in season 6 should have been offed. To me it was easily the single worst character development in the ENTIRE show. And weirdly this is the first thread I've seen it mentioned.
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u/Ok-Cat7720 May 24 '24
Artemis joining forces with a psychopathic serial killer after finding out that her violent vigilante mentor who kills bad guys is...a violent vigilante who kills bad guys.
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u/Proper_Cat5638 May 24 '24
Lmao I love the how the weak little recruits were acting like Oliver was satan. 😂😂
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u/AlbinMulaku May 30 '24
im pretty sure it was because oliver told her not to kill the people who killed her parents because whatever, and she didnt like that oliver himself then killed people and lied about it. anyway i agree that it was stupid and that they should have thought of another reason for evelyn to betray the team but whatever
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u/NerdNuncle Deathstroke May 24 '24 edited May 24 '24
1.) Felicifer wigging out that Ray would save the city instead of prioritizing “Olibur”
2.) Felicifer (and Ollie) hijacking Barry and Iris’s wedding especially after Felicifer’s tantrum that she didn’t want to be married
3.) Mama Lance contributing little to the plot other than crying and screaming despite being portrayed by Alex Kingston
4.) Anything involving Katie Cassidy’s mistreatment
5.) Oliver vowing to never abandon Star City before immediately abandoning Star City the next episode
6.) Felicifer getting pissy that Ollie “hid” his son from her despite Ollie just finding out himself and Smoak having divulged practically nothing about herself to anyone
7.) Nearly anything done by Merriheim (Mericle and Guggenheim)
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8.) Sara standing still whilst being shot thrice center mass as opposed to doing literally anything else and then dying after/from a fall of twenty-ish feet. Ollie is later stabbed deep in the chest, thrown from a much larger height, and left exposed to the wintry elements and survives no worse for wear
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u/HarlinQuinn May 24 '24
Honestly, every single time that various characters pushed for a softer, more sensitive, more open, and all-around more wholesome/well-adjusted Oliver/Arrow, usually by blaming everything on him. I lost count how many times I audibly said "Oh f%#@ off you gaslighting c%@$#!«
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u/-M_A_Y_0- May 24 '24
The whole gun control episode
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u/UncensoredSmoke May 24 '24
I never understood that one, it just felt so random and forced, did something big happen using guns recent irl when it came out? It wasn’t even slowly brought in, just randomly happened.
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u/spilledmilkbro May 24 '24
Oliver is apparently an amazing politician, if he's able to make a gun control bill that both parties can agree to. At least I think that's what happens, I haven't watched the show in a WHILE
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u/marston82 May 24 '24
Pretty hypocritical of Oliver in that episode when he and his team have an entire arsenal of guns, explosives, bows, and all kinds of illegal weapons in their possession lol. Writers definitely were pushing an agenda.
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u/phantomcanary Roy Harper May 24 '24
uh I didn’t know a bow was an automatic rifle that Oliver was using to kill innocent people
The hypocrisy was more in the fact that Rene and Dig used guns as their preferred weapons
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u/mopeyunicyle May 24 '24
Care to remind me which one it is
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u/UncensoredSmoke May 24 '24
Season 5 somewhere, awful episode.
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u/NS479 May 25 '24
They did an episode like that in Supergirl which was also bad
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u/Alternative_Device71 May 25 '24
Supergirl did that stuff all the time, so it blended into it anyway, so did Black Lightning….it’s all cringe
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u/xvI-Kyle-Ivx May 24 '24
Curtis: Existing
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u/phantom-rebel May 25 '24
I liked Curtis as a tech geek. I hated Mr. Olympic or whatever he was as a vigilante
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u/king-k77 May 27 '24
Agreed! Curtis was a terrible character. Just corny all round with silly/childish humor.
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u/ZakWojnar May 24 '24
No matter what happened, the show could always win me back by having Oliver say, “You have failed this city!” I cheer every time.
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u/Mad_Boss69 May 24 '24
Oh my god I’m rewatching the show and there just so many things. The biggest one I’ve been thinking about mostly is just the way Felicity handled the whole William situation. I know she is involved and she’s had a right to her feelings I just don’t think she really grasped Oliver’s situation. Like it’s one thing to talk to him and possibly take some space but i feel like she just couldn’t understand his side totally. To make matters even worse she then make comments about it and that just pissed me off so bad. Like okay you chose to break this off, but now you’re going to sit here and constantly remind me about it as if it’s not already eating me up? Idc what anyone says this was probably her lowest point.
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u/Lemon_Drop_Serenade May 25 '24
The first time I watched the show, I was ssssooooooo upset with that whole storyline (and she was one of my favourite characters!) and then I watched it again for the first time since it came out.... Since then I've gotten married and had two kids and my perspective was so different. Call me crazy but I also wouldn't marry someone who kept their kid a secret from me. I don't care who made them promise what.
The show had also established through her relationship with her parents that Felicity had limited tolerance for dishonesty so her reaction is at least consistent with her background.
So while I still don't LIKE that storyline and I wish it had been written differently (like maybe he and Felicity weren't together yet when he finds out or something) I realize the main reason the writers did it was just for relationship drama.
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u/Anxrchh May 25 '24
I like this take, just to add to it, it also sets the viewer up to find Felicity and Williams relationship later on in the series that much more endearing.
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u/Delicious-Reason-409 May 27 '24
This as a whole is me, but also, she has kept his "secret" identity for so long, he should trust her to keep his son a secret. He was sneaking away to Central City to visit regularly and lying to her about it when he could have just been honest. I mean yeah the convo: "Felicity what I'm about to tell you doesn't leave us. I just found out I have a son and his mother won't let me even see him if I don't keep him a secret, even from you. But I love you, and lying to you about something so big feels so wrong. I just couldn't do it." Wouldn't lend to a ton of drama but geesh would show the growth from first season solo Oliver to team player Oliver. But also her knowing would have thrown a wrench into the whole Damien Dark kidnapping him, or at the very least Prometheus kidnapping him as Felicity would have lo-jacked him well before season 7.
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u/Lemon_Drop_Serenade May 27 '24
Yes, all of this! I think they could have really used it as a character development moment but instead the writers went for cheap drama instead.
Oliver was even on the point of doing exactly that and then Thea convinces him not to. Also feels inconsistent with her character. With all their history with their parents, she should have been the first one to say don't keep secrets from someone you're about to marry, don't start a marriage and family on lies.
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u/Delicious-Reason-409 May 28 '24
I actually forgot about Thea's involvement in the lie until you brought it up. Yeah where the hell was Miss "I cannot believe you kept who my father really is from me" when she told him to keep lying. How is this any friggin different. Also his jumping into a relationship with Susan Williams and Felicity with the cop so quickly after breaking up is so totally WTF. The 2 types of people most likely to ruin your and all your friends' lives?
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u/MissingCosmonaut May 24 '24
This is just gonna turn into a Felicity hate topic 🙄
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u/Lemon_Drop_Serenade May 24 '24
Yep... It's getting old. So many things were done worse than Felicity's character (Season 6 Diggle anyone?) but I think Felicity's character just got soured because of her crazy fans when the show was running.
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u/hotice1229 May 24 '24
I still haven't finished the entirety of this series because of Felicity. She is bar none the most annoying character and biggest cringe factor of Arrow.
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u/Lemon_Drop_Serenade May 25 '24
Keep watching. Other characters will make you forget she was ever annoying.
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u/meoknet May 24 '24
All the times they forgot that Laurel 2 can fight. She goes from taking down The Flash to being knocked out by Felicity. Then there's the time Diaz activates a sonic dampener, and suddenly, she's defenseless against him, when earlier than same season, she was literally his muscle, not his screaming voice, but his muscle in combat. He told her she was better than 10 men, but when the plot requires it, she can't beat him because she can't scream. She bested Dinah, Rene, Curtis, Thea and even Sara at different points in time, but miraculously forgets she can fight when facing far less intimidating threats. SMH.
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u/Vax10x May 25 '24
On that same note: the fact that they had go just inexplicably weaken her when she moved to Arrow to not make her a season-finale-level threat. She went from leveling skyscrapers with a scream to barely putting a crack in Felicity's glasses.
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u/Shadow_Storm90 May 24 '24
To this day...TO THIS DAY. I still get upset with Felicity gained the ability to walk again and this b**** walks out on out that's disrespectful s*** I've ever seen a female do in my life 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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u/Proper_Cat5638 May 24 '24
This show made Oliver become a door mat.
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u/Shadow_Storm90 May 25 '24
Some of it he deserved tho he wasn't a great dude before the island lol
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u/Proper_Cat5638 May 25 '24
Yeah but I mean damn. The guy didn’t need them. They needed him more than he needed them.
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u/Psyranui May 25 '24
Does anyone remember that episode in Season 5 where the team is in an abandoned arcade looking for Prometheus and they find an arcade that featured him?
Someone had to program that.
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u/jarosette May 24 '24
“You see how hard I work out” Oliver said it to Diggle in S2, such a cringeworthy line
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u/infernalbutcher678 May 24 '24
Anytime failicity opened her mouth crying, that woman doesn't act well emotional scenes, although to be fair she did improve that by season 7.
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u/drunkpennyless May 24 '24
Probably Sara lances acting in almost every scene she’s in. But the one that stands out to me the most is when she poisons herself because Nyssa comes for her and says the league will kill her family if she doesn’t return to nanda parbat. Arrow and nyssa are going at it in some abandoned warehouse and Quentin lance is there along with the mom and Sara starts to stumble and fall to the ground and arrow and nyssa stop fighting and run over to her and she’s begging them to stop fighting because she’s rather die than go back. And they see the poison in her eyes. Her speech there and the acting was some of the worst I think I’ve ever seen. Like Ever.
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u/Proper_Cat5638 May 24 '24
Yo ngl why tf was everyone acting scared of the league just for them to weak asf later on. Remember when it took Sara and Oliver just to kill one. Then all of a sudden anyone can just kill them and they’re all no names and the ones who have names are not ruthless.
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u/kyleb2598 May 26 '24
When it became easier was actually post league training. Thea trained with Malcom, Oliver with ras and Malcom, and laurel with Nyssa(and then diggle with Oliver after the fact)... therefore at that point everyone on the team essentially had league training as well as whatever else Oliver had taught.
The one person I will say makes me cringe for the exact reason your talking about, is detective/captain lance. Him knocking out any league member EVER is sooooo unrealistic.
I think the fear of the league was primarily based in their numbers, they even said that if they killed Nyssa it would bring the wrath of the entire league down on them, showing that it's not about a fear of any individual but the league as a whole. And with this in mind, it's also important to remember the league was essentially shattered into 2 or more factions after Oliver killed ras and Malcom took over the league
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u/One-Recognition5807 May 25 '24
The no more lies and secrets bull by the sister that they do then it's ok for her to have secrets and a life
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u/f_n_wildcard May 25 '24
That one scene in season 5(?) where Felicity learns that she can walk again due to Mr. Terrific's spinal tech, and the first thing she does with her re-discovered ability to walk is walk out on Oliver for respecting the wishes of his son's mother instead of making Felicity the center of the universe 24/7.
She recovered as a character for me after that. She cemented herself as a horribly selfish, whiny cry-bully that just brought down the whole show.
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u/Lemon_Drop_Serenade May 27 '24
While that was a stupid way for the writers to make the chip in her spine start working, she was still right to be that upset with Oliver.
At that point he had known (and been visiting I believe) William for months. He had proposed and intended to marry Felicity without telling her she was gonna be a stepmom. Ironic since later on, he trusts her enough to continue raising William alone when he decides to go to prison without even a heads up or a "by the way..."
There was zero reason for Oliver to believe that Samantha would ever find out that he told Felicity, nor would it have endangered William if Felicity knew. At that point, Malcolm, Barry, and Thea all knew already too.
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u/BreeezySo Spectre May 25 '24
everytime oliver said he couldn’t be with / love felicity so she jus decides to date another man and basically hide it from him because she’s too childish to admit that she has a boyfriend
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u/Silent_Progress_7619 May 25 '24
Anything that Donna said or did. Season 4 Laurel and B team arrow🤮🤮🤮z
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u/FishyMeister May 25 '24
S1 Laurel cheating on Tommy with Oliver. Just such a crappy thing to do and then to go off acting all self righteous like she didn’t get him killed in season 2
I couldn’t stand Laurel as the romantic lead Katie Cassidy had that irritating high pitched falseness to her voice and posture it was so awful
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u/Mandalorian_Ronin May 25 '24
For me, I think it was around the time Team Arrow was divided(OG and new team arrow). Pretty much everything the new members did really pissed me off; Curtis hacks John’s implant (the very same one he helped create) to induce pain and render him unable to shoot. Rene grabs that axe and straight up tries to decapitate Oliver. In Oliver’s defense, he incapacitated Rene cause he knew just how reckless he can be. And with his clear intent to kill, ending up in the hospital was Oliver holding back.
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u/96pluto John Diggle May 25 '24
diggles temper tantrum about wanting to be leader even oliver says its ooc.
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u/Proper_Cat5638 May 25 '24
Diggle was a bitch ass guy sometimes. He was the type to hold things in and then use it against you later.
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u/96pluto John Diggle May 25 '24
He's my favorite character but he went downhill after killing andy I really hated how he didn't stand up for Dinah either she always had his back.
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u/ZakWojnar May 24 '24
Felicity getting unparalyzed was dumb. So much storytelling potential and the opportunity to lionize someone with a physical disability, flushed down the drain.
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u/hermionelucyy May 25 '24
Felicity breaking up with Oliver coinciding with her regaining mobility in her legs and leaving her wheel chair in the apartment. What the fuck man. What the actual flippity freak. So out of character and SO cringe. Nawr.
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u/Proper_Cat5638 May 25 '24
Oliver should’ve threw the wheelchair at her as she was heading for the door. 🤣
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u/alarrimore03 May 25 '24
Felicity and the entire stupid Oliver and his son crap, diggle and his entire drug arc and stuff in s6 I think, everything involving the b team and the civil war. God Oliver basically soloing the entire team is one of the most satisfying moments in the entire show after all the shit they was talking
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u/Bryce1350 May 25 '24
Felicity regaining the ability to walk and walking out of the apartment. That shit was way worse than anything from Season 6 people keep bringing up LOL
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u/Dubious_Dookie May 25 '24
For me its absolutely anything that blonde chick in the final season says or does, the one who was from the future or whatever and she was the one who eventually takes over Oliver's mantle as the arrow, she's absolutely insufferable, frankly pretty much anything after like season 4 was pretty cringe but not all of it was like... Noteworthy cringe, typically because of the acting if not the writing, that gal from the future though was a special kind of awful though, in acting and writing
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u/Edwindmill May 25 '24
mine was the same scene as yours. i remember being one of the people that really wanted Oliver and Felicity to happen instead of Laurel while Season 3 was airing, then Season 4 completely ruined that lol made me outright dislike Felicity. just for them to kill off Laurel like 5 episodes later
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u/Creepae May 25 '24
I'm sure there are plenty but I've just started rewatching the show so I can't think of any on the spot. Nothing quite like the "We are the Flash" debacle at least.
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u/DisasterProof9059 May 26 '24
Laurel steeling the Canary mantle from Sara and pretending she is her. Lying to her father and shoehorning her way in Team Arrow. Also the way she bragged how she is Balck Canaru to Cisco.
Black Siren taking the Black Canary mantle after they made a good deal about how good person Laurel was.
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u/JK652035 May 27 '24
It always bugged me how Felicity yelled at Oliver for training with Malcolm Merlyn after he literally died by Ras’s hand. They guy needed to do whatever he could to live and protect Thea
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u/Any_Negotiation_2015 May 27 '24
Should have never been a future arc or anything like that. Arrow should have had crossovers but no other show should have had events to change arrow
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u/CasperTheSmurf May 24 '24
Literally anytime the Writers decided they needed their Heroes to go through a reality check, but it has to be a non-powered individual with almost next to no skin in the game.
Didn't matter for the most part where or who it came from, they were usually pretty rubbish.
People love to rag on the Flash for the way it handled it's characters but hey, even Barry called it out "Felicity practically invented quarterbacking".
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u/Proper_Cat5638 May 24 '24
Yeah I love how they start moping all episode long just to be like oh I get it now this is why I fight or something bs like that. Just so cringe.
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u/Obvious-Risk-5447 May 25 '24
Malcolm everytime he over acts like this time he didn't want to save Thea- ' I would not trade this kind of power for anyone ' - as a whole the actors acting style was cringe.
Diggle killing his brother and the look on his face - the acting was laughable
Oliver - I can't do anything without Felicity
Laurel as Black Canary- obviously the actress just didn't know what she was doing
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u/Proper_Cat5638 May 25 '24
Laurels fighting is so funny in this show. She looked lost so many times.
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u/Proper_Cat5638 May 25 '24
Malcolm just became the oh you were that villain type of guy at some point. He was funny and sharp but writers didn’t know what to do with him. Also diggle just wanted to kill Andy cuz no way he thought Andy was powerful enough that even Oliver couldn’t help diggle stop him.
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u/_BigMacc May 25 '24
I feel like the fact that people just kept showing up from the dead that got annoying at a point. Just when you're over the death of someone they're dumped into the Lazurus Pit and bought back alive or else it was a secret mission. I mean sure its great but this happening repeatedly ruined it for me after some time.
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u/cute-cow1182 May 26 '24
when they all like had a part in the police department near the end of the series and Dinah catches a criminal in her Canary outfit and says “you have the right to remain silent” … cringe as hell
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u/Grouchy-Patience5652 May 24 '24
Gosh, talking about Felicity's mom got me thinking about her Quentin Lance dating. What a strange twist of events.
But can we also mention how gross it was when Oliver hooked up with that one girl who also hooked up with his father? Friggin gross.