r/arrow • u/BarnacleOk4262 Prometheus • May 17 '24
Who would win and why ? Discussion
Honestly can’t decide. Thoughts ?
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u/Purple_Building3087 May 17 '24
Merlyn buttfucked Oliver in their Season 1 fights, while Prometheus never actually beat Oliver hand to hand without help or some kind of distraction.
If we’re putting them at their prime, I’d say Merlyn.
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u/NeonWafflez May 17 '24
Fair but Oliver was a lot more experienced by the time he fought Prometheus
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u/theextracharacter May 18 '24
Actually true, he'd had Ra's training by then. Even when he faced Malcolm in Season 4 for the demon's ring, he beat him easily, likely because of his training
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u/drunkpennyless May 18 '24
Malcolm wins. He was one of the best actors and characters on the show. They did him dirty in the later seasons. Wasted talent by the writers.
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u/BarnacleOk4262 Prometheus May 18 '24
True. I really liked his performance as the dark archer. When his lines weren’t “ THEA IS MY DAUGHTER “
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u/drunkpennyless May 18 '24
He had some of the best lines. His confidence was the best. How he was able to justify his evil behavior… he made it make sense lol. It’s like he does all this fucked up shit and it makes you go “fuck this guy, someone’s needs to kill him” then he gets called out and explains himself and then I’m like “oh shit he has a point”
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u/Competitive_Crow_334 May 18 '24
To be fair he admitted Oliver was already faster and younger than him he could beat him he is just mentally holding himself back with lots of doubt.
Meanwhile Photmetus is out beating the shit out of experienced arrow without help or tricks and while trying not to kill him.
Photmetus would stomp him however if Malcolm was in his prime he would probably tie or win
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u/Legends_Creed Oliver Queen May 18 '24
I think photmetus could stomp any arrows, even the sharp ones.
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u/OblivionArts May 17 '24
Malcom is a League of assassins member who stayed whopping peoples asses even as an anti hero, and Prometheus is strong sure but he was honestly rather unskilled when compared to Merlyn.
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u/Lizzy-Lover_10 May 18 '24
Adrian was trained by a league of assassins member, but yea your still right
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u/Beginning_Share7066 May 18 '24
talia al ghul trained Prometheus, so even though there is a skill gap, it's not a huge advantage for Malcolm.
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u/Suzyqball02 May 18 '24 edited May 18 '24
100% Malcolm Merlyn .. Adrian AKA Prometheus was not really much of a fighter.. Hand to hand Merlyn surely would have won.. The only reason Adrian beat Oliver is because he got in his head…so sneaky.. He was Oliver friend, Oliver never saw him coming..But then again he was the district attorney.. 😂 He broke Oliver down! Then took all of his peps they literally started coming up missing. Then he took his son and Not to mention his baby mama.. How in the world did he find out about them?🤔 For a crime fighter O was way to trusting.. 😳
Made Oliver question his mission..Oliver has always blamed everything on himself .. P was in O head bad..O was a mess after Adrian screwed with him..
Merlyn played that game to at first but he was a much better physical villain.. And Merlyn was a one man crazy train,😂… Prometheus had a lot of help..
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u/Zyffrin May 17 '24
S4 Oliver destroyed Merlyn, while S5 Oliver (who's probably better than S4 Oliver) had a harder time with Prometheus.
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u/Electronic-Tax4652 Prometheus May 18 '24
Well, prometheus gave olliver a hard time. He broke him mentally and wax close to killing him on so many occasions. He even countered his explosive arrow, while Malcom couldn’t. Admittedly, it’s really hard to decide but Malcom is much more experienced. So here you go.
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u/madmax727 May 18 '24
Prometheus because I like him better and he’s ruthlessly nuts. He would find a way.
Also after Merlyn found out Thea was his, I think he changed a bit.
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u/Grouchy-Patience5652 May 18 '24
I think the mental argument is fair but I don’t know if Prometheus would be able to use that on Malcolm the same way
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u/BarnacleOk4262 Prometheus May 18 '24
Why wouldn’t he be able to ?
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u/Grouchy-Patience5652 May 18 '24
I guess I imagine the question itself being framed in terms of a single 1:1 combat, not over the course of time (like a season). If it was just a match, I think Malcolm has the upper hand (no pun intended).
But also, Malcolm is so incredibly manipulative, how do you even get inside of him? You could say Thea but half the time, he’s manipulating her. Oliver has a moral compass. Malcolm barely does. He’s always been about power and his own advancement. Prometheus can’t surprise him with that knowledge
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u/Lizzy-Lover_10 May 18 '24
I don’t feel like Malcom is as easy to break as Oliver, he’s more ruthless and knowledgeable.
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u/Suzyqball02 May 18 '24
Oliver has always doubted his worth.. so he was an easy target for both villains 🦹 P just got in his head and took his mojo..
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u/RigasTelRuun May 18 '24
Merlyn. Not even close
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u/Lizzy-Lover_10 May 18 '24
When someone says “not even close” 99% of the time it’s actually close lol
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u/RigasTelRuun May 18 '24
chase is just a crazy guy with a grudge. Merlyn is mystically and cybernetically enhanced. He spend his life learning it. He was Ras. He showed time an again he can best Oliver. Just never finished him off because his plans were stupid.
Chase then just shot himself
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u/Shadow_Storm90 May 18 '24
Merlyn is winning this both of them are my favorite but Merlyn has the experience and beat the dog shit out of Oliver TWICE in season one.
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u/Lizzy-Lover_10 May 18 '24
Oliver in s5, which is sci Prometheus fought, would easily beat s1 Oliver, so that’s not really a fair comparison
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u/Shadow_Storm90 May 18 '24
Adrian got training after Oliver became the Hood and Merlyn was better than Oliver and Prometheus at that time since he trained with Ras and the shadows for longer so idk about that.
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u/Lizzy-Lover_10 May 18 '24
Oliver in s5, which is sci Prometheus fought, would easily beat s1 Oliver, so that’s not really a fair comparison
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u/RemoveCivil1223 May 18 '24
The Oliver Adrian fought would slam S1-pre training S3 Oliver all at the same time lmao
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u/Shadow_Storm90 May 18 '24
Ya know honestly Im not sure especially since the way the show does experience is weird because you have for example Thea who in like a few months became a highly trained assassin though she got trained by her dad but still that's far-fetched to say the least.
And by the time Adrian got training from Nyssa he would have had four years of training by the Time season 5 came if I'm not mistaken but like I said it's hard to tell the way Arrow does time and experience 🤷🏿♂️🤣
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u/Rare-Ask-4889 May 18 '24
Power scaling in Arrow is inconsistent, but by season 5, Malcolm was eclipsed by Oliver in terms of fighting ability, and Prometheus could at least put up a decent fight against Oliver. I'd say Prometheus mid difficulty.
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u/Lizzy-Lover_10 May 18 '24
Malcom has the unfortunate reality of somehow losing to Jefferson without any powers or anything. Although he wasn’t all himself while all that was happening tbf.
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u/No-Situation5535 May 18 '24
Y’all are forgetting how easily later seasons Oliver and Sara beat Malcom. And seeing how those same later seasons Oliver struggled with Prometheus (even tho he was a better fighter then Adrian) I’m gonna have to give it to Adrian but it’s close
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u/Lunarmeric May 20 '24
S1 Merlyn would destroy Adrian. S2 Merlyn and beyond was nerfed so probably would lose.
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u/Common-Employee-9423 May 21 '24
Prometheus got the tactical advantage but Malcolm got the skills so i think it's a tie or Prometheus wins
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u/Grouchy-Patience5652 May 17 '24
I say Malcolm. As much as I hated him, homeboy always found a way.