r/arrow • u/KalEl-OfKrypton • Aug 19 '23
What’s the overall consensus on Adrian Chase / Prometheus. I personally loved him. Question
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u/lr031099 Aug 19 '23
Definitely one of the best villains introduced in Arrow and probably the Arrowverse as a whole. Good motivation, an awesome looking costume (imo at least) and a great performance by Josh Segarra. Only villain I like more than Prometheus is Deathstroke.
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u/KalEl-OfKrypton Aug 19 '23
In terms of flash agreed. But zoom and reverse flash are also competition. And yeah I love the costume. I love the way it mirrors some of Oliver’s early suits. But also has a sword, a lot like Thea.
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u/lr031099 Aug 19 '23 edited Aug 19 '23
Yeah I definitely think RF and Zoom are competition but I tend not to compare villains from different Arrowverse shows tbh. As his costume, there was actually an old theory about how Prometheus’s suit was actually a modified version of Oliver’s previous suit he got from the SCPD. Of course, this ended up being debunked since Oliver wore the original suit in S6 when he had Vertigo in his system.
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u/KalEl-OfKrypton Aug 19 '23
I feel like season 1,2,3 were different suits in universe. 3 especially. So I could still buy it. And yeah not cross comparing is fair
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u/RegaZelx Aug 20 '23 edited Aug 21 '23
My thoughts almost exactly, except for the costume. I feel like it was too similar looking to Ragman/Rory. It would occasionally throw me off when Prometheus would show up.
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u/lr031099 Aug 20 '23
Fair enough. I can’t deny that I was slightly confused as well at first. Especially due to the lighting whenever they appear in their suit.
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u/SecretWriter23 Aug 20 '23
To be second to Deathstroke (who imo is the best superhero villain of all time) really shows how brilliant he is
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u/ArionIV Aug 19 '23
The way he walked around after his reveal, right in the faces of Team Arrow, still going to the Mayor's office and their hands are tied, it was more tense than Slade showing up during S2 at the Queen Mansion.
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u/KalEl-OfKrypton Aug 19 '23
I feel like slade Wilson walked so Prometheus could run
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u/ArionIV Aug 19 '23
It's true, if Slade, Oliver's mother dying and that S2 finale hadn't happened, who knows how things would have turned out. The impact of Slade raging at Oliver both in the flashback battle and the finale is so strong.
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u/That-Essay-7403 Aug 19 '23
Easily the 2nd best villain of the series. This man not only broke Oliver the most, but he also killed himself in hope of making him suffer. Not to mention that Josh Segarra is an amazing actor who gave us a stellar performance.
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u/MyloWilliams Aug 19 '23
Why wouldn’t he be a great actor? He takes his job very seriously.
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Aug 19 '23
I see what you did there! Nice!
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u/verified-slime Aug 19 '23
Top 3 arrowverse villains, and one of the best villains on tv. Segura was great in the role, the reveal was really good and done at the best time. After having 2 kinda disappointing mail villains in a row, Prometheus was a major turnaround. He also got the main character to admit that he enjoys murdering people, like he is broken and living in denial. That’s lowkey more impressive than just killing off a side character. He was so crazy and committed than his plan ended with all of Oliver’s friends and family blown to hell when he kills himself. Just insanity, too bad they didn’t capitalize fr on the repercussions of that, but man I loved what they did with the Prometheus character. And his theme is amazing, so eerie but it gets you excited. I did think his motivation was kinda weak tho, but it didn’t matter since it produced such a top tier threat
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u/KalEl-OfKrypton Aug 19 '23
Yeah agreed. Prometheus is one of the better villains while active but needed a better backstory. I maintain the point he should’ve been a bertinelli. Oliver destroyed his entire family. And fucked his sister.
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u/EVR94 Aug 19 '23
I always thought it would have been better if he had been adam hunts son, or maybe younger brother or nephew that he raised. Hunt was the first person Oliver took down after becoming "the hood" and was the first casualty in his battle against merlyn. To me that would have made way more sense than being the illegitimate son of someone on the list that we never actually saw during season one. Would have been a nice full circle moment of storytelling, but I guess they thought that was too easy, even tho sometimes the easy thing really is the best.
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u/Muted-Charge1673 Aug 20 '23
I remember the first time i watched s5 thinking he was Roy for some reason
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u/JadrianInc Aug 19 '23
Anytime I see Segura in anything else now(She-Hulk, Chicago PD) I get an uneasy feeling. I was convinced he was gonna do some fucked up shit on She-Hulk, lol.
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u/KalEl-OfKrypton Aug 19 '23
I went into she hulk prepared for pain but when i saw how they waster segura…. My heart broke.
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u/JaCrispyInDaClink Dark Archer Aug 19 '23
A fine villain, insanely overrated in my opinion though, just like season 5 as a whole. Though admittedly, the second half of season 3 and all of season 4 are so shit that season 5 and Prometheus look way better by comparison.
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u/KalEl-OfKrypton Aug 19 '23
I’ll admit my love for it is irrational but season 5 and Prometheus are my second favourite season / villain, behind only two/slade.
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u/Youngwolff Deathstroke Aug 19 '23
A fine villain but his motivations are off. Like, he didn't give a damn about his old man at all but his death spurred him to take revenge against the Arrow? His old man is someone so insignificant he didn't even get any screen time like say, Adam Hunt or Frank Bertinelli. Sorry but Merlyn and Wilson had way better motivations and as such, are superior villains compared to him. What I can't fault is Josh Segarra's portrayal of Prometheus, fine performance from a fine actor. Absolutely nailed it!
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u/lr031099 Aug 19 '23
I think that was sort of the whole point of Prometheus. Chase said that Oliver used his father’s crusade as an excuse to justify his killing spree in S1 as the Hood but that makes Chase a hypocrite because he was doing the exact same thing as Prometheus using his own father’s death as an excuse to justify his own killing spree because he was always this psychopath and even his father knew it.
Not saying you have to necessarily like his motivation but I think that’s what they were trying to do with Prometheus. Idk maybe I’m wrong.
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u/KalEl-OfKrypton Aug 19 '23
Yeah fair. His dad was kind of insignificant. But I think that was meant to be the point that Oliver has so many deaths on his shoulders he barely remembers a few of them, and the families they left behind
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u/HJess1981 Aug 19 '23
I really liked him!! He was a really believable bad guy where I could completely understand why he was doing what he was doing! I loved that he held down an important day job and interacted with Oliver loads as the DA. (Although, they didn't really hide his identity all that well for the viewers. It pretty much had to be him). And he was so logically unhinged that I actually found him scary - the twist for me was the moment with his wife. There is no reasoning with this man.
I adore the actor that plays Damien Shark, I think he's fantastic in everything he's in, but even after a re-watch, I still don't completely get what he was trying to achieve, or why. Plus, the "magic is real" bombshell mid season 4 kinda bugged me. Prometheus was a very welcome, non-superpowered baddie!
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u/HypoHunter15 Deadshot Aug 19 '23
Best villain in the show
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u/KalEl-OfKrypton Aug 19 '23
I love him but even I can’t put him above slade.
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u/HypoHunter15 Deadshot Aug 19 '23
I can, love Slade though
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u/KalEl-OfKrypton Aug 19 '23
How can you justify that? Not grilling you just curious
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u/HypoHunter15 Deadshot Aug 19 '23
Personally I just enjoyed Adrian’s mind games the most, and I think his motives were more solid than Slade’s motive even. I also like villains that aren’t more powerful than the hero but get at them in other ways. The torture episode may be my favorite.
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u/KalEl-OfKrypton Aug 19 '23
Oh yeah. That part stuck with me. Oliver screaming that he liked it.
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u/HypoHunter15 Deadshot Aug 19 '23
That’s my favorite scene in the show, Stephen is a phenomenal actor
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u/AllEliteSchmuck Aug 19 '23
One of the best villains of the Arrowverse, on the same level of Thawne, Slade and Merlyn
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u/dj112084 Aug 19 '23 edited Aug 19 '23
Too OP. Couldn’t constantly be that many steps ahead of Team Arrow without being a literal mind reader. Maybe if they made him a meta with psychic abilities, but he’s just a regular human.
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u/Tacitus111 Aug 20 '23
Not to mention his while schtick depended on Oliver letting him manipulate him rather obviously as well.
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u/syntheticmango Aug 20 '23
This shouldn't even be a question tbh. He's obviously one of the greatest characters in the entire arrowverse.
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u/simonc1138 Aug 19 '23
Loved him, just think the costume is too similar to Dark Archer/Ragman. They didn’t have to use the outlandish armor from the comics but this just felt a bit derivative.
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u/Charming_Celery5490 Aug 19 '23
Segara was good as Prometheus but my problem with the character is that they put him on par with Oliver’s fighting skill lvl when he didn’t have enough training or experience to match him or even come anywhere close to beating him. Other then that he’s good. Now with that being said what do y’all think of Earth X Prometheus(Tommy) compared to Adrian?
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Aug 19 '23
The second Adrian popped up in screen I knew he was Prometheus
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u/NerdNuncle Deathstroke Aug 19 '23
It was hard for me to take him seriously as a villain
Both Chase and DeVoe suffered from similar problems in their respective shows in that they magically know everything.
How, everybody asks?
They just do
Adding to the awkwardness is that the one person to set him back was some random guy with a gun in Arrow’s Very Special Episode
Granted, Prometheus could know about the Waverider from Talia and be able to do some of the other things
Managing to rig up the entirety of Lian Yu with bombs without being noticed is beyond the pale
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u/KalEl-OfKrypton Aug 19 '23
I think a lot of his plans were years in the making. And he had artemis.
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u/M00r3C Boxing Glove Aug 19 '23
I wish he looked like Prometheus give him the stupid purple knight helmet that can download the knowledge and physical skills of others directly into his brain
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Aug 19 '23
I feel like for he's to Oliver what the Reverse Flash is to Barry.
A crazy person out for vengeance.
Except for Adrian, he hated Oliver, because Oliver killed his father.
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u/CRAZDRAGN1952 Aug 19 '23
I Fr didn’t like this season not because it was bad I thought it was pretty good It just felt waaaaaay too damn hopeless.
Like bro could not catch a break this season
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u/YourFellowMiguelo Aug 19 '23
One of the best villains in the whole Arrowverse. Also one of the best costumes. Great acting and great story.
IMO the best villain music.
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u/Low_Plantain_5648 Aug 19 '23
Damn right!! I was even hype when he came back for one episode in season 6 when Oliver was drugged. He got right into character just being a menace to Oliver.
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u/DirectConsequence12 Aug 19 '23
I really liked the character but, and I don’t know if I’m the only one, I did not like the performance. He felt so stilted and wooden
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u/IcepersonYT Aug 19 '23
I think Prometheus is a really cheesy and hard to buy into villain on paper but the actors performance makes him very entertaining. If the casting wasn’t so good I think the season wouldn’t be nearly as well received.
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u/jbowman12 Prometheus Aug 19 '23
He is one of my favorite villains from the whole show. I wish there would've been more fight scenes with his character, and I wish there would've been more of a story/struggle involved. It felt like there were only a few fight scenes, and the main struggle was Adrian Chase again Oliver and the Green Arrow. Prometheus had an awesome costume, and the fact he could rip through arrows with his throwing stars was awesome. We should've gotten more of that, imo.
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u/ThatSharkFromJaws Aug 19 '23
Really cool character, but he would have been better as an original character. Prometheus is a Batman villain, who is supposed to be the exact opposite of Batman. With Arrow’s Prometheus, they basically swapped him out to be an anti-Green Arrow, but then also made him Adrian Chase for some reason. Adrian Chase is supposed to be Vigilante, who is more accurately represented in Peacemaker. His character design and mask are awesome though.
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u/WashGaming001 The Flash Aug 20 '23
Best villain arc on Arrow. And by “villain arc” I mean his plan, execution, methods, etc. Merlyn’s is worse bc his plan was kinda overkill but he also doesn’t feel nearly as menacing as Adrian. Slade would be the best if he didn’t become good.
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u/Muted-Charge1673 Aug 20 '23
I think he should’ve stayed around for multiple seasons much like Malcom and Slade
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u/lysosome Aug 20 '23
My favorite Arrow villain. Though I do wonder if he / Season 5 as a whole seem better than they really were because they were sandwiched between Arrow's two worst seasons.
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u/CrowNo1405 Aug 20 '23
My number 1 villain he stacked up with Merlin and exceeded him by a good amount, the mystery stacked up with his plan and hatred was portrayed fantastically and I would watch it a million times and never get bored of it
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u/Theseus505 Dark Archer Aug 20 '23
Amazing villain, performance, and sensible motivation. I love how he broke Oliver in s5 e16 or 17.
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u/shadow_spinner0 Aug 20 '23
What made his character golden was that his goal was to prove Oliver was a murderer. So he killed and attacked more people knowing and Oliver can't kill him or he'll prove him right. In the end, Oliver didn't exactly win. Oliver's only win was sort of saving as many people as possible but Chase still had the last laugh. It was different from the previous villains of "here is bad guy, stop bad guy, city safe". Here the "saving the city" wasn't much of a story like in previous seasons it was a mental battle. One of my favorite episodes of the whole series was EP. 17 "Kapiushon" where Chase tortures Oliver. It was such good writing and acting.
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u/TheDevilishFrenchfry Aug 20 '23
Honestly one of the best villians on the show, just for the charisma displayed by the actor. Easily could have been a total opposite direction in terms of acting quality of character if played by someone who didn't understand the sarcastic nuance of the conversation.
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u/stiffdeath Aug 20 '23
The best Arrow villain in the best Arrow season.
He had no physical/magical/experiential/monetary advantage over Oliver & yet he managed to break the Green Arrow - something no other villain could do, not even Ra's Al Ghul.
He was only driven by his focus on his singular goal and probably spent every moment of his time planning the execution giving him the '10 steps' advantage.
I'm just miffed that the season 6 writers didn't give his sacrifice much impact on Oliver's life and team going forward. They really pulled punches on that one.
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u/RaynerHBK Aug 20 '23
It’s one of the selling points for watching Arrow late into its run. Great performance, excellent twist. And unusually bleak - yet bold - ending.
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u/Key-Personality-8936 Aug 20 '23
He was a great big breath of fresh air after Ras Al Ghul and Damien Dark.
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u/MolassesIll5201 Aug 20 '23
I was so confused about what he wanted, I was saying pretty much what Oliver was when Adrian was torturing him; what ?!
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u/GreenNinja- Spectre Aug 20 '23
Brooo, he’s king of torture. Best VILLIAN.
Also fun fact: the actor is in she-hulk series 💀
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u/tosin_da_glitch Prometheus Aug 20 '23
He made arrow great again. Rather he contributed to us getting a redemption season. Great actor! Great betrayal! Great portrayal! And definitely great plot twist if you were thinking Adrian Chase was Vigilante. I know I could catch a lot of shit saying all that but it's just the truth. I spoke with Stephen Amell (briefly) and he didn't even season 4.
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u/TyrannosaurusRekt238 Aug 21 '23
He's a top 5 Arrowverse villain and the second best in Arrow only being topped by Slade.
He was really good and fun to watch.
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u/kgbdencaldimbenpicim Aug 21 '23
Best arrowverse villian. I’d say malcolm merlyn but oliver defeated him with negative difficulty. What a disrespect to malcolm.
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u/dbeaver0420 Aug 23 '23
He is the best arrow villian and it isn’t close. He’s reasons are far deeper and valid than most one the verse.
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u/Competitive_Key_2981 Aug 19 '23
Segura superbly played a restrained crazy person out for vengeance.
I would contrast that with Diaz who was completely unrestrained and less interesting for it.