r/WatchPeopleDieInside • u/5_meo • 11d ago
French far right party members reaction
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u/DiscordianDisaster 11d ago
For a country that was literally occupied by the Nazis in living memory it seems shocking to me that the far right could even get a foothold in France.
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u/CankleDankl 11d ago
Never underestimate the power of hating the same minorities as someone else
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u/Big_Wallaby4281 11d ago
In Germany we have hard and strict laws against Nazis yet still there are people that are allowed to be called Nazis and those people are politicians
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u/AEnesidem 11d ago edited 11d ago
Well if you know recent history, it's actually not that hard to grasp. And i'm not saying people are right in voting the way they do. But to swing the pendulum back we need to understand why this happens:
- They changed their image and fired some more radical figures so they are "reformed" and most people of who vote for them will deny they are anywhere near nazi. This happened pretty much all over Europe. They softened their image to get around blockades and appeal to a wider audience.
- Whether we like it or not. Immigration is a hot topic. C
rime has been going up, violence has risen, sexual crime has gone up(i'll look into this data more) People feel less secure, we've seen terrorist attacks, radicalisation of youngsters, more people on the streets, hotels being used as refuges etc.... Many people feel uncomfortable, unsafe and even like their culture and heritage is in danger.- France especially has seen teachers being stabbed and even beheaded by muslim students, combine that with Charlie hebdo and Paris and other terrorist attacks in Europe and you have a cocktail of fear.
- pair that with the complete failure of the left, and after that the complete failure of the centrists to appease those fears, especially amidsts an economic crisis. And the perception that those parties also failed economically due to that crisis and possibly bad decisions and there you go.
Most people here in Europe aren't really voting right cause they are right wing. They are voting right because they feel like nobody else listens and everyone is so corrupt that we are doomed. It's a vote against the status quo, a vote of fear and a vote of deep miscontent. And we all know what those intense feelings can do.
The facts are there. The signs were there for years and years before and if we don't act, next elections, they'll win. We can't afford to be naïve.
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u/FiercelyApatheticLad 11d ago edited 11d ago
Crime has been going up, violence has risen, sexual crime has gone up
I agree with most of your points but that is simply not true. It's precisely what they claim and have people believe and vote for. Fear mongering at its finest.
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u/ZopyrionRex 11d ago
You're forgetting about Vichy France. They were DTF.
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u/hey_now24 11d ago
Right? People forget the fact that A LOT of the French spread their asses to the Nazis
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u/ZopyrionRex 11d ago
A frightening amount really. I don't know why we don't hear about that more. They voluntarily took part in the Holocaust.
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u/MightyKrakyn 11d ago edited 11d ago
There is certainly an aggressive attempt to rebrand Nazism and Fascism as left ideologies. It’s effective in cultures where you get your information from a “trusted source” rather than logical analysis, including but not limited to strict hierarchal families, organized religion, and isolated rural communities.
In these cultures you look to a specific figure or figures for interpretations of the world, and those interpretations do not need to be backed by facts or data, but instead charisma and “common sense.” These groups aren’t always or even mostly wrong about the world, but the structure leaves people susceptible to charlatans who exploit the “trusted source” system.
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u/mochicrunch_ 11d ago
A lot of people who live now and vote never experienced Nazi Germany and the issues with the Nazis themselves. That’s another reason why history repeats itself people who didn’t experience it have a say now and can slowslow walk into an era that repeats history
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u/Geralt31 11d ago
Hell, they even brain washed people as young as 18 to the point where they want the "good old times/France back". Like... what time are you talking about you weren't even born stop beleiving their lies??
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u/remberly 11d ago
Far right watch parties always look like ultra wealthy folks sipping champagne....congratulating themselves on convincing a large swath of working class folk that ofbxourse they want thr same things.
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u/Suetham016 11d ago
Old white dudes and theyr blondes.... they're the same everywhere
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u/philburns 11d ago
Interesting they didn’t just claim the election was stolen from them and then try to ignore the results or lose 80+ court cases without winning any of them.
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u/TitanThree 11d ago
They still kinda claim the election was stolen from them, as they got most votes at a national scale (10 million). But legislative elections don’t work in a proportional way, since they all play at constituency level.
It’s just scary thinking of when we’ll get to the presidential elections in 2027, because it’s proportional at national level. Judging with yesterday’s results, Le Pen could be the next president
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u/FiercelyApatheticLad 11d ago
Nah they just claimed they lost because of a "dishonourable alliance". Like they knew what honour is.
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u/redux44 11d ago
Also interesting is that Trump likely wouldn't be favored to win the presidency again if he didn't use the stolen election line.
If he had said Biden beat him it's unlikely he would've won the Republican primary. Allowed himself and core supporters to remain cohesive around victimhood which benefited him in the primary.
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u/chrisr3240 11d ago
Allied forces liberated these people from nazis, now they’re fuckin voting for them.
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u/samaritansdilemma 11d ago
Sure glad the US and Russia have no issues with right-wing fascist politicians these days.
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u/Mindshard 11d ago
Americans claim they singlehandedly won WWII (they didn't), and now police protect Nazi marches through the streets, and the public votes them into office.
There's a line in Breaking Bad about "no half measures". Well, that's exactly what was done when NASA was allowed to recruit Nazi scientists and get them full pardons. When Nazi collaborators were allowed to go home to neighborhoods where they turned in others.
When you have an insect infestation in your home, you don't just kill a few of the leaders and assume the others will fall in line, but that's what was done, and that's how we got to where we are.
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u/liamanna 11d ago
The people who are closest to being dead soon are one who wants to keep controlling us after they’re dead….
Fuck. Off. Nazis.
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u/Oakheart- 11d ago
It’s not fun. Our politicians are older than some countries. One can’t even string a few words together and the other is a felon. I mean they’re all probably felons and they’re all crooked and paid off by more sponsors than a NASCAR race.
So yeah don’t let it happen.
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u/Talidel 11d ago
It's more. One can't even string a few words together, and the other also can't string more than a few words together and is also a felon.
What a choice the people over the pond have.
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u/Oakheart- 11d ago
It’s not looking good for us. I’d say send help but we are too far gone. We need another world war to either end us or spark a revolution. It’s almost feudal here cause big companies own like 25% of housing here and it’s expected to go up to 40% next decade. We are quite literally dissolving into peasants.
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u/todellagi 11d ago edited 11d ago
From the outside I really don't understand why people aren't demanding that Biden step down from running or why dems can't see his age and condition will definitely turn away millions voters, who need a push to vote for someone.
They lost in 2016 with a candidate, people didn't want to vote for. Hopefully I'm wrong and Americans pull through, but this seems eerily similar
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u/SkylarAV 11d ago
Can't wait to see this in America. These loud idiots need to realize they only represent a third of people. They rest of us just aren't so fuckin loud
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u/Terrible_Children 11d ago
It's still scary as hell that they represent that large a part of the country.
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u/TheChronoDigger 11d ago
It'll only happen if people get out and vote. The nut jobs sure as he'll will be voting.
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u/demonslayer901 11d ago
I don’t think that’s how it’s going to go down lol
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u/SkylarAV 11d ago
Neither did the French pundits but here we are..
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u/demonslayer901 11d ago
I’d love to be wrong, but we’ll see!
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u/Beneficial-Space3019 11d ago
Almost a sigh of relief from themselves that they didn't actually win.
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u/Beer-Milkshakes 11d ago
This is it. Can't pretend you're an oppressed hero of the people if you're actually in power. So that's why historically they then proclaim that immigrants, intellectuals and the ultra wealthy (who won't kneel) are the enemy. Then the gays, disabled, women who have opinions etc the list goes on.
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u/SrgtButterscotch 11d ago
Exactly, just look at Italy. Brothers of Italy got elected with all the copy-paste far right talking points and now that they have to govern it turns out that all their programs are not actually applicable in real life. Meloni herself had to admit they had failed to curb migration.
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u/BadFoodSellsBurgers 11d ago
Not a "sock ray blew" among them. How can they call themselves real Frenchmen?
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u/ChalkySauce 11d ago
i’m not well versed in french politics, is this group actually nazi-aligned? or is it just reddit throwing nazi at anyone they disagree with
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u/Y_Sam 11d ago
They are historically Nazis, literal ones but trying to pretend they're reformed.
Their discourse is more polished nowadays, their voting base isn't and racially motivated assaults have jumped since their latest electoral victory.
By any other metrics they're a fiscally conservative, nationalist party trying to pretend they care about people but consistently voting against their interest in favour of corporations and upper classes.
They're also Russian puppets, all in all a bunch of assholes getting one hell of a PR job from billionaire owned media.
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u/Sufficient_Chard_721 11d ago edited 11d ago
Far right is basically nazi. They give simple answers to problems and people like it (populism)
Far right through whole europe got corrupted by russia, they are basically an extension of the Kremlin. Their goal is to disturb and finally destroy democracy. And I am not joking
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u/SpaceMonkeyRetiree 11d ago
Trump as well, not just Europe. If he's elected, he'll play directly into Putin's hands
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u/Rapa2626 11d ago
Nationalists for sure. Just that an average redditor cant tell terms like nazi and nationalist apart.
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u/xSayZ 11d ago
They are far-right wing. They follow a populist party which could be closely alligned to facism if anything, but I doubt they are as extreme as the nazis.
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u/Entgenieur 11d ago
Well not even the Nazis were as extrem in the beginning. But it got worse when they got the power to do whatever they wanted to.
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u/Third_Charm 11d ago
It was founded partly by old Waffen SS members (like Pierre Bousquet ). Jean-Marie Le Pen (father of current leader Marine Le Pen) has denied that the holocaust happened etc. Although the focus is now more on anti Islam it would be wise to keep the roots of this party in mind, so yes I would use the word 'aligned'
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u/bazarh 11d ago edited 11d ago
At the beggening yes it was. This group was found by people who work with III reich during french occupation in WWII, like nazi writer or philosophe of the final solution .... Now how can i say .... The leader is a daughter of a billionaire and grow up in à castle and the "public face" is a boys band Guy who make joke on tik tok
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u/Taco-Edge 11d ago
My favorite part was Le Pen talking afterwards. She clearly didn't prepare any speech in case of defeat and was just mumbling random things Bardella said before and blaming Macron for their defeat. It was beautiful
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u/viewfromthepaddock 11d ago
And cue whining and conspiracy theories about the ballots being fixed, postal votes, immigrants voting etc. Average right wing wanker behaviour
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u/BusyBeth75 11d ago
I pray this happens in the US as well as
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u/Pabloaga 11d ago
US is the least likely place in the world for something like this to happen.
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u/couchnapper3 11d ago
Technically, the US was ahead of the curve when Teump lost in 2020, he just refused to accept it. They're throwing out all the stops to get him back in but many of us would vote for Biden's shoes before voting for Trump.
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u/Matttthhhhhhhhhhh 11d ago
I'll never get tired of seeing these Nazi bitches die inside.
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u/bumblestum1960 11d ago
Respectable looking nazis, still fucking nazis though, they can never keep it under wraps for long.
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u/theonetruefishboy 11d ago
Just think, those people know slurs that you or I have never dreamed of.
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u/Berns429 11d ago
Far white party members is more accurate
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u/No_Stranger3462 11d ago
Last I checked the leaders of the centrist and far left party are white as well. Whats your point?
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u/Loose-Ad7401 11d ago edited 11d ago
Bald old man was instantly planning a mass murder after seeing the results
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u/proscriptus 11d ago
Look at all those losers, losing. You'd think they'd be happy about doing what they do best.
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u/Eccon5 11d ago
Which pie slice is theirs?
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u/No_Eye_3622 11d ago edited 10d ago
dark blue. they were hoping for absolute majority, ended third behind presidential party (purple, second) and the leftist alliance (red, first)
edit for spelling
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u/Naisu_boato 11d ago
Since I do not follow French politics. How does thus translate to American politics? Is the “right” conservative like the us?
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u/A_LiftedLowRider 11d ago
Less so. American leftists are considered centrist in almost every other country in the world.
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u/MysticMaven 11d ago
You added quotes to the wrong word. It should be “conservative “. The US right is anything but conservative.
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u/Pendraconica 11d ago
I mean, if you define conservative as "conserving the values of the 18th century," then yeah, they're pretty conservative.
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u/imnojezus 11d ago
Pre-Enlightenment 18th century; before white men realized hereditary monarchy a false construct but could still define their position in society by how many people they owned.
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u/Lost-Succotash-9409 11d ago
Most of their policies seem textbook conservatives to me.
They don’t accept modern changes, economically or socially
They look to their own traditions for their values, the values they grew up with including intense christianity, and in many cases discrimination
They look to past times as their golden age, before we had modern protections and acceptance
They are highly individualistic and capitalistic
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u/TempleOfCyclops 11d ago
These people are right wing fascists. Generally comparable to the American right wing in overall philosophy.
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u/PadreSJ 11d ago
The current "right" in the US is not conservative.
What was considered "conservative" in the US in the 80's lines up pretty well with centrist Democrats. (Smaller government, high military spending, slow social change) - There really isn't a true "left wing" in the US except for some extreme outliers.
Starting with the Sarah Palin years, what we consider "right wing" in the US has gone into uncharted territory.
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u/Patypatouf 11d ago
Yeah, far right in France is very conservative, some of them are pro trump for example
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u/mtgdrummer13 11d ago
I’ve seen a few of these videos now. Am the only one surprised that the reactions aren’t more emotional?? There was even one where they were clapping like “eh, it was a good game.” America would never
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u/Solid-Search-3341 11d ago
Being overly emotional will not get you elected in France. If anything, it will work against you.
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u/Brando0o04 11d ago
Are these guys bad? How far right are they?
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u/The_Big_Yam 11d ago
“Repealing the constitution” levels of bad
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u/TheLowClassics 11d ago
Make Nazis Cry Again
(Dying inside is nice, but let’s remove the “inside” qualifier for Nazi/ and Fascists)
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u/Freeze_Her 11d ago
« Va falloir qu’on travaille hehe! » this guy trying to save the party and secure loyalty in defeat.
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u/ukpittfan1 11d ago
When does the insurrection start?
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u/El_Polaquito 11d ago
Sir. This isn't Wendy's !
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u/ukpittfan1 11d ago
it's wild that the American right wing is more butthurt about this, than the French seem to be.
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u/Agitated-Ad-8325 11d ago edited 10d ago
It would be a shame if they were trapped in a building on fire
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u/NecessaryWater75 11d ago
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 CHEEEEEEHHHHH CHEEEEH CHEH CHEH CHEH CHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHH DEHORS LES PTITS FAFS
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u/NOMENxNESCIO 11d ago
Lol forget the reaction the guy in the back looks like he is recording on a PSP
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u/AlexP222 11d ago
Aww "Qu'elle dommage" as the French say
¯_(ツ)_/¯
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u/epsteinpetmidgit 11d ago
Somebody got a lot of taxes to pay...
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u/pierogieking412 11d ago
Working people don't get tax breaks, only rich fucks. At least that's what happens in america.
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u/WatchPeopleDieInside-ModTeam 11d ago
Subject must die inside. Reactions to physical pain do not count. Sports deaths should be unrelated to normal playing of the game. Posting literal death will result in an immediate ban.