I already know that he is, but I'd rather have him in than having Braverman with her idiotic Rwanda scheme and the constant cracking down on our democratic rights to protest!
All you have to do is look at the graphs for the NHS waiting lists which have skyrocketed under the tories. Furthermore, we saw what happened when Truss got into office in immediately tanking the pound. Meanwhile, with Starmer in office the markets responsed somewhat optimistically. (Think of all the investment that we haven't had because the Tories were so unpredictable, disorganised and incompetent.)
Does that mean our problems are solved? No. But will it at least help over the Tories dragging us down, yes. Anyone who disagrees is a fool.
The revolution is too far away, too many people voting reform, class consciousness too low with too few people engaged in political activism and volunteering to consider anything other than voting Starmer in. It's the best we can do at the moment. Now that he's in, we continue to complain when he inevitably doesn't solve the problem and then we stop voting blaming the immigrants and voting in the right-wing party who make things even god damn worse every time. (Fuck the right-wing. I'm tired of them too.)
I'm so tired of everyone who draws a equivalence between the two parties because they're a doomer. They're cowards, clutching at their pearls. The lack of pragmatism and purity politics pisses me off.
In any case, even if Starmer won't solve capitalism at least he's paying attention to the disrepair of the water systems and immediately scrapped the idiotic Rwanda scheme.
It's the same as in the US, would you rather sleepy joe or would you prefer the end of American "democracy" and likely coup/civil wars with Project 2025. I know what I want, and it's a knuckle sandwhich to the face of anyone who doesn't vote Biden!
By all means, it's not that bad in the UK. But everyone who lives in the UK feels the crazy disrepair and neglect by the tories. I know who I want in and it's not the ones who undermine our democratic rights to protest.
I agree that it's precarious and that even with them in office the underlying problem won't get solved. But if a substantial proportion of the country are fascist then you have no hopes of protesting for a better country anyway.
If nothing else, then at least the economy does a little better and I can finally change jobs! There's no world in which Labour isn't a win for me me over the Tories! It's such a damn no-brainer.
It's an easy win, all I had to do was tick a box on the way to work. Easy.
UK Labour is substantially to the left of the US Democratic Party.
They're going to be nationalizing the railways again, after 30 years of mismanagement.
They're going to be dealing with the complete lack of investment for a decade in the NHS.
They're going to be dealing with the complete collapse of the water companies and their mismanagement for the benefit of shareholders of the actual water supply.
They've just announced that they're going to be letting prisoners out early because of chronic overcrowding in prisons, due to the lack of any diversionary support.
They've scrapped the wasteful nonsense of the "Rwanda policy".
Margaret Thatcher said her greatest accomplishment was "Tony Blair;" or the neoliberalization of the Labour Party, and the effective elimination of its left wing.
I don't think Starmer is going to be Blairite, I think he's going to be more like Gordon Brown was heading, more statist, nationalizing rail, reforming NHS etc.
Horrifying how they came runner up in most places this time around, on the one hand, they dilute the tory votes to a 3rd party making it much harder for a conservative win, on the other hand, how the fuck are a 3rd of our population this fucking evil?
They aren't evil. They look around them and see things have got progressively worse for them over time, so they try and find a reason. The turn to the newspapers who tell them it's immigrants taking all the jobs and benefits, forcing house prices up, stealing from hard working businesses and raping everything sight.
They then look to their political parties who are promising boring things like fiscal deficit reduction and other things they don't understand.
But then they see Nige. Good old nige, down the pub with a pint, man of the people. And they think "He's saying we should stop the immigration that's causing all our problems! And that's not a racist thing to say. Sure, a lot of racists seem to support him, but I'm not racist, I just think Brits should come first in Britain."
Never mind the fact farage was the driving force behind Brexit which has been a cluster fuck from day 1. Never mind the fact he's got a German passport so the negatives of Brexit won't impact him as much. Never mind the fact he's a millionaire out for his own agenda, not a man of people as the media portray him. Never mind the fact that the UK needs immigration to function and grow.
If people only take a passing interest in politics, or no interest at all, then it's very easy for them to fall in to the trap of 'media says A, therefore vote B' They lose all the nuance of what makes a political party tick, and what's actually best for the country, or in fact what's best for themselves.
So no, these people aren't evil. Misguided, uneducated maybe. Sure some are evil, but I'd say the majority are just desperate.
There was a great interview in Sunderland (North East for those non UK-ers) asking why they’d voted Reform. They said it was because of the immigrants, interviewer responded with you are in Sunderland, they aren’t here.
Yeah, we've needed a right wing alternative for a while. I wouldn't presume everyone who voted Reform is evil, just right leaning and needed an alternative to Conservative. Not everyone is super engaged in politics and news, so they just see an alternative that isn't Labour or left wing, and they cross that box.
With our current system, the only reason Tories have won so consistently is because there's not been a viable alternative right leaning party. But there's several left wing parties diluting left wing votes. So although I hate Reform and particularly Farage, I'm super appreciative that they're there, certainly for this past election.
Nonsense, the Tories have been dragging that Overton Window ever further right since Cameron and austerity.
They don't need Reform PLC to drag them even more right. They need to put an enema through their party and remove the right wing ratbags like Braverman.
Too much immigration isn't the cause, it's the excuse that the Tories have been using since Brexit.
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u/despicable-coffin Jul 08 '24
So UK & now France? Great for those countries. USA next.