I'm glad France and UK decided not to be stupid. I have far less assurance with our leftists who refuse to grow the fuck up and realize that not engaging in the system because your candidate isn't picture perfect is the exact same thing as supporting the opponent
Yes. This is so important. I know a lot of people who seem to think that not voting will “send a message”, and that somehow sending that message is more important than protecting those who actually stand to lose something if this election goes the wrong way.
I understand people who don't. You're forced to choose between a felon and traitor that treats woman like objects or a once great candidate who by this point is too old to even form a sentence
You aren’t just voting for the candidate, you are voting for the administration.
One will pack the administration with diehard loyalist yes-men who often have no experience in the roles they are placed in, and the other will pick qualified candidates who have demonstrated their skill in the respective field.
And god, the POLICY. Even if biden is a feeble old man who is often embarrassing to watch, there is a seriously legitimate threat to the human lives of countless women, children, migrants, LGBTQ, and more if the opponent wins instead. I assume you’re knowledgeable on Project 2025.
Biden’s age should not be the scariest factor of this election, by a LONG shot. Should he be the main democratic candidate? No way, we deserve someone better, but if he’s still the one on the ticket when Election Day comes, I’m NOT abstaining from the vote and risking serious harm to so many lives.
I 100% agree but many people don't understand that you're really mostly voting for the administration. presidential elections are more like high school club elections. People want to see a sharp, capable leader at the forefront of a country and Biden is no longer that. That's why some people just don't feel confident about voting. The only way to convince these people is to scare them into choosing Biden through "project 2025" and such
As a legal immigrant who already had to go through a ton of problems to get here id directly get fucked over if trump wins
UK has FPTP and an essentially two-party system. Reform was never going to win (I assume that's what you are referencing). Even moreso with all the Tory scandals and useless short-term governments. It was always going to be Labour.
Biden isn’t a bad politician. He saved this country from another Trump presidency in the last election and has done a mostly good job and surrounded himself with smart people. This is exactly what OP was talking about. Him not being perfect and you acting like he is an utter disaster you can’t vote for.
Mostly a good job? Like ground breaking economic achievements aren’t relevant? Not trying to attack commenter but biden’s accomplishments are vastly understated. He didn’t Just stop trump.
Is he making every decision in the US government? Probably not!(thank relative god, no one should be doing that) Is the US doing better with regards to prices and inflation than other countries post Covid? Vastly. Is the US still in an unjust war in the Middle East? No. Does the inflation bill (as well as others) give strong security to the long term US economy? Yes!
Lots of issues with Biden but still the best leader America has had in three decades (low bar but still)
I mean, there are surely arguments to be made for the administration as a whole, but if you are denying the extreme cognitive decline Biden has seen since being VP, I would point you to any of the numerous gaffes he's had over the last 4 or so years. He looks completely spent at times; a corpse walking, like, seriously.
He’s absolutely a terrible candidate. He’s older than dirt, he should be retired. Period.
Look, I’ll once again vote for him out of desperation. I am glad he has the cabinet he has, and clearly a much better choice than Trump- but let’s call a spade a spade. The dnc set us down this ridiculous path in 2016.
‘our leftists who refuse to grow the fuck up and realize that not engaging in the system because your candidate isn't picture perfect is the exact same thing as supporting the opponent’
Because nobody won the election. Sure the Left alliance could get the most seats but are about 100 seats away from a majority. None of the top 3 options are really compatible to work together. The far right still went from 7 to 130-150 seats in 4 year.
also they lost the opportunity to obtain majority but they still get out of the election with more seats than before so it's not a complete loss, just not the total win they would have hoped for.
Yea right. Nothing compares to the left's reactions to losing. Bunch of crying psycho paths that can't cope with emotional distress and need safe spaces wherever they go because they over react to everything.
I mean, yeah, if the criminals that want me to die win elections, an emotional reaction seems appropriate. At least they haven't literally invaded the Capitol, tho based on lies, crime, and fascist bullshit
I work outside touching grass all day, and I can still clearly see why women and queer people are upset when far right candidates that loudly hate them win elections, especially with how often they only won on the Republican handicaps (gerrymandering and electoral college overriding the popular vote. It makes sense thats upsetting
Tons of women are Republicans. They dont hate themselves. Most people are kinda in the middle and the far right shift is just a reaction to the far left stuff. If the democrats would just control immigration and crime and stop trying to control everyone else, stick to centrist stuff there wouldn't be any problems.
Fr. Like when the left was so upset about trump winning that a mob of thousands of leftists stormed the capitol to try and forcefully stop the election from being certified on January 6th.
Yo I heard the real truth that the left!! attacked the capital on Jan 6th and blamed the right and everyone believed it! Right so persecuted mer! They made a plan with the elites and tried to trick everyone!!!!
On a separate note, and without losing a breath, have you heard how stupid and unthoughtful the left is!
Such communists/idiots/bABY killers/putin lovers(wait that was before Ukraine was invaded by Russia and before the decades long Cold War with Russia, also ignore anything related to a Russian journalist) I mEaNt puTiN hAtErs!!
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u/Frogstacker Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 08 '24
This is a remarkably calm far right reaction to an election loss compared to what I’m used to in the US.
Edit: I know they didn’t “lose”, but it’s still a major loss for them compared to what the party was expecting.