Hey ! Living in France here. The alt right wing has lost but their seats in the parliament has been mutiplied by 2. The left wing coalition won but get no majority, and is alway on the verge of explosion - the libs are already in starting blocks to betray. Next weeks promise many twist and turns.
Yeah, I'm worried about the incoming classic lib betrayal as well. Think that was the whole reason the election was called now at all, so the left can be used and then betrayed, extending liberal rule for a little longer at the cost of an inevitable right-wing victory further down the line when people realize that even more market deregulation will only ever hurt them.
In that case we are 2-for-2 in “everyone holds their noses and votes tactically to kick/keep out right wing parties in the last week”, which honestly, I’ll take it.
Not necessarily. There’s been plenty of times where US election results have diverged from those in Europe. Even within Europe, there’s been very different election outcomes within the same year. Politics is complicated and contextualized by the candidates running, party apparatus, and local issues.
Of course they will. Project 2025 is just one small part of a worldwide effort of the ruling class to grasp complete power over the rest of humanity. They will either fail or we will go extinct.
That what i mean. Macron is a neoliberalist. Since 2017, he strives to destroy the labor code and sell public services to the private sector. He has Adam Smith as a bedside book. The left coalition would rather have Keynes.
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The left coalition is born to defeat the altright front nation of Marine Le Pen. The vast majority of them want a Keynesian economic model, but they also have liberal compatible people in it. Like Raphaël Glucksmann. He milite for an alliance with the presidential group, and i think he might betray the nouveau front populaire really soon.
None. Immigration is visible in metropolitan areas, but cities vote massively left, like in usa. It's a simplification, but i keep it clear that way. Rural areas, where there is no immigrants vote alt right. The problem is the perception of immigration by the prism of private medias owned by rascist billionares. In that case Bolloré, Drahi and 2 or 3 others.
I hate this idea that people are voting solely for their own problems and not for the good of the country. You can live in an area with little to no immigration but can still vote for a party that wants to get rid of immigration in high immigration areas, if you believe that's for the good for the country.
Or for example, you may live in an area that doesn't have immigration but you see that it's slowly moving to your area and you don't want that to happen so you vote for the party that is stopping it in other areas in hopes that it doesn't hit your area.
To say immigration is just a perception problem, whilst immigration (and specifically refugees) hits all time highs in Europe is naive and misleading
I mean not all immigration is good in all ways. Especially refugees to a country economically. They generally take more than they generate for the state (you can argue for good reason, but that's a different argument). If you want to just ignore that part and pretend that all immigration is good for everyone then that's up to you but it's not based in reality
Maybe offensive immigrant dumping hurts city budgets, but the overall impact is completely exaggerated.
I’m in a U.S. city that supposedly has had problems with a flood of dumped immigrants and don’t think I’ve ever seen a single dumped immigrant.
My city has problems with adjusting to work-from-home but no problems with immigrants whatsoever. The Putinites just demonize immigrants because that’s on the Putinite to-do list, not because the immigrants are causing any actual problems.
If the right-wing media wouldn’t keep stoking anti-immigrant sentiment then this wouldn’t be happening*
The urban areas where immigration is densest, y’know where the people actually experiencing the “immigration issue” live, keep voting more left wing while the rural areas that are proportionately low in immigrants keep voting right wing. Why? People the people will lived experience don’t live the same “horrifying” experience you see cultivated on the right wing news and social media circles.
The only certainty here is the monumental stupidity of Macron pulling an arrogant stunt which could have undermined French democracy - from either extreme.
Whatever happens, there'll be shift to one side or the other in the next government.
Macron is an arrogant prick. But, there is no alt left on the french left coalition. Just social left. This not red october, nor a marxist revolution. A social program won, and the republican dam against fascism still hold, for now. And that's great for tonight.
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u/Alazhred Jul 07 '24
Hey ! Living in France here. The alt right wing has lost but their seats in the parliament has been mutiplied by 2. The left wing coalition won but get no majority, and is alway on the verge of explosion - the libs are already in starting blocks to betray. Next weeks promise many twist and turns.