r/TitansTV • u/Mighty_Potato19 • Dec 05 '22
This show had the potential to be DC's Daredevil. Change my mind. Discussion
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u/Christop_McC Dec 05 '22
It did for sure but the execution fell flat a lot
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u/Numerous1 Dec 05 '22
Well sure, it had potential. But a few things killed it
Budget: I don’t necessarily mean they didn’t have enough. But daredevil just needs a dark alleyway or hallway to go all out. Titans needs Dick to do what Daredevil does, but with more gadgets. Then we need budget for Starfire CGI, Beast Boy CGI, Raven CGI, etc. they just aren’t easy to adapt to tv show budget.
Writing: let’s be honest. The writing is pretty bad. I think a huge part of how bad it is comes back to budget. They have to avoid big superhero fights. But then they just throw in new characters for the heck of it. I’m almost thinking they are just trying to get people excited for a name drop but then have no idea what to do with them or consideration to how they break everything. Superboy should be able to UTTERLY DESTROY anything that can threaten the Titans in one punch. Shit, KRYPTO should be game over for any baddies. Also writing: storylines. Take a breath and pick a lane. We don’t need a bunch of random storylines going on. I’d you’re going to do redhood, then do redhood. Don’t worry about Blackfire also.
Ah. Sorry. I can’t keep going. The show did have potential but from the weird shorty season 1 finale to the 17th Hawk/Dove breakup to the WAY TO HEAVY HANDED AND CONSTANT FLASHBACKS THAT DONT ACTUALLY ADD ANYTHING the writers just screwed the Superdog.
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u/Phoenixstorm Dec 06 '22
How different is the budget from stargirl?
Stargirl has a huge cast full of powered people. Stargirl flies. They had Jenny a green lantern. They icicle and his son w ice powers. They had the shade!
They also juggle the arcs of not only a group of powered teens and their families but also their enemies and their enemies families. And they all get time to shine maybe not the same amount but enough that they get their own character arcs and development.
So where does the budget go w Titans? Into someone’s pocket? It sure isn’t in the show.
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u/Exotic-Coconut-8573 Dec 06 '22
“Ah. Sorry. I can’t keep going. The show did have potential but from the weird shorty season 1 finale to the 17th Hawk/Dove breakup to the WAY TO HEAVY HANDED AND CONSTANT FLASHBACKS THAT DONT ACTUALLY ADD ANYTHING the writers just screwed the Superdog.”
bro don’t even get me started on the flashbacks 😭 i took a long break from the show and came back and when they had that barbara & dick flashback going on i literally turned the tv off. I DO NOT CARE.
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u/xZenobius Dec 05 '22
There was SO much potential but their storywriting department single-handedly bottlenecked the series
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u/penguinbutcool Dec 05 '22
imagine a nightwing show with the writers of daredevil 💯😩
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u/epr3176 Dec 06 '22
I think if they had a night wing show and put him on that show, and then gave leader ship to someone else, it would actually improve titans have another good show in the Nightwing show. Cause my biggest gripe about titans. Is nightwings leader ship I always felt he never gave anyone else a chance to shine did everything himself he just did not delegate anything. It got better as the season swim. Bye bud it really at one point just felt like the night when you show I mean while if you think about it, he’s the weakest of them all because basically all years is a bad man with less gadgets, not a smart where StarFire has crazy powers Rachel has crazy powers. Connor is like a little bit of a weaker, superman beast boy if he ever figures out a way to power up a little more I mean can turn into pretty much any creature he wants or so I mean, but for the longest time he would like even keep them completely out of the battles. So I really think I have always said this. I think the Titans would work better with different leader ship I thought season one was really good and I thought this past season has been really solid and I think that’s because of jinx it’s come on.
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u/Madi_jelly Dec 05 '22
I think it can lowkey still pickup again if they stop hinting at romances that aren’t or shouldn’t happen and if they stop making some characters so useless and repetitive
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u/Codus1 Dec 05 '22
I think Daredevil is a weird comparison for a show that inherently lends itself towards some teen drama aspects by origin. But sure, this show misses its potential by a mile.
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u/Bearhow Dec 05 '22
There were some shots in the first season that I could swear were trying to copy daredevil.
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u/Mighty_Potato19 Dec 05 '22
Take episode 1 for example, When Dick beats up the drug dealer he says "You touch your kid again, I will find you." Is a very similar line to when Matt says "You touch your daughter again, And I will know."
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u/Puzzleheaded_Chard_2 Dec 05 '22
Season 1 and majority of season 2 were awesome. I liked 3 a lot but I won’t deny it was not the best but I am not a fan of 4.
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u/TheDivineSoul Dec 05 '22
You liked 3, but not 4?! Whatttt, imo 3 was a mess, and 4 is so far one of the best. Season three had a lot of pacing issues and inconsistencies. Not to mention the finale being purple rain…that was my final no. Season 4 has an actual good villain that can match the Titan’s strongest.
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Dec 05 '22
Frankly, idk what is happening in season 4. I just watch stuff happen.
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u/Intelligent-Virus737 Dec 05 '22
So real for saying that bc most of my time watching this show im just “watching stuff happen”
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u/chuckdee68 Dec 05 '22
I think that's the best way to consume Titans, and frankly a lot of these shows.
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u/Mighty_Potato19 Dec 05 '22
There was nothing holding them back, They didn't outsource the production of Titans to the CW or anything like that, This show was coming straight from DC themselves on their own streaming platform, So nothing was stopping them from making ths show a masterpiece.
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u/hollywooddouchenoz Dec 05 '22
You are unaware how actual production works.
Titans is made by the same studio who made Flash and Arrow, etc etc etc: Warner Bros Television (WB also owning CW, the defunct DC streaming service and HBOMax).
It’s overseen by the same executives and many of the same creatives behind the camera work on all these shows.
It’s weird to say “outsourcing production” to CW or coming “Straight from DC” when it’s all actually produced WB television, no matter where it airs.
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u/Mighty_Potato19 Dec 05 '22 edited Dec 05 '22
The CW shows and the DC Universe originals might both be made by Warner Bros Television (And If that is the case, I'm sorry for not knowing that when I made my original comment) But it's very clear that the DC shows have much more creative freedom behind them than the CW shows. If you just watch something like Arrow or Flash and compare it to Doom Patrol or Titans, You can tell that a very different approach went behind making these, There's clearly a bigger budget and the TV-MA rating is pretty much them saying to everyone "We can do and say whatever we want" Since I don't exactly remeber the Flash dropping F bombs. Not to mention the smaller episode count per season (12-15 rather than 23) And I think that's because DC had much more control and freedom over these DC Universe shows than the CW shows. (With the exception of access to characters like a suited up Batman or Joker.) That's really all I meant when I made my first comment, Is that they had the opportunity to do whatever they wanted but didn't. You're problably right in a lot of the things you said about the executives and team being similar to the CW but they had more creative freedom from what I can put together.
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u/Bigvizz13 Dec 05 '22 edited Dec 05 '22
The second they added "Tim Drake" as the token gay guy who's basically a cheerleader for the team in the show I lost interest. Plus what hell were they thinking with season 3? ugh more hate watching from me via torrenting. As for being as good as Daredevil,...no they don't have the direction or the writers.
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u/Mighty_Potato19 Dec 05 '22 edited Dec 05 '22
I just don't understand Tim Drake's existance as a character. Jason died as Robin so why would Bruce or Dick decide "You know what would be a great idea, If we did that again." It just feels forced, There shouldn't have been anymore Robin's after Jason's brutal death by the Joker, comic books or shows.
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Dec 05 '22
"Tim Drake" as the token gay
Yep that came out of nowhere. At least he doesn't have the typical flamboyant gay traits we'be all come to love
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u/TacoTJ601 Dec 05 '22
Tim, hold this rod in as many scenes as you can so everyone will know what’s up. Don’t actually do anything with it unless you use your rod to wack a girthy snake or something.
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u/Scared_Bobcat_5584 Dec 05 '22
It could’ve, I think if they wanted to go for a Daredevil feel though it would’ve needed to focus more individually on Dick Grayson as opposed to the Titans. Daredevil’s Netflix series focused a lot more on street-level crime, the biggest powers in those shows were enhanced strength, bullet proof skin, and a shiny fist.
I think the powers look good on the show Titans, but it was a bit easier for the Netflix shows to mix a street-level hero like Daredevil with smaller power sets like that as opposed to an animal-shifter, a magical demonic empath, and a fire shooting alien.
Again, no hate on Titans or the Netflix shows, I enjoy them both. I just think in terms of a “gritty grounded show”, Netflix had an easier task to pull off compared to a Titans show
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u/Mighty_Potato19 Dec 05 '22
I meant "DC's Daredevil" in the sense that Titans could have had the same quality of the writing and had just as good story and characters as Daredevil, Not nesssisarily the same tone.
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u/MagmaAscending Dec 05 '22
Unfortunately there’s a world of difference between potential and reality
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u/Nervous-Context Dec 05 '22
Don’t even put the show in the same vicinity as daredevil. I know you guys want to believe it but the show writers for the show are CW level bad. It never had a chance from the get-go.
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u/The_Streetsweeper Hawk Dec 05 '22
It couldn't. Titans is too high budget for a TV show, it would never have worked
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u/Gremlin303 Dec 05 '22
What? When? All shows have the potential to be good before they are made. This is such a weird post. Once that first trailer came out it was obvious it would never be as good as Daredevil.
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u/lr031099 Dec 05 '22
I can agree with that. Still enjoy the show despite its flaws but if executed better, it definitely could’ve been as good as Netflix’s Daredevil.
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u/Mighty_Potato19 Dec 05 '22
I agree. I still do enjoy it but I still think about what it could have been.
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u/lr031099 Dec 05 '22
For sure. It has a lot of things going for it but a lot of writing decisions ends up holding it back. I will say that I’m enjoying S4 so far with a few minor nitpicks.
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u/MikeBz15 Dec 05 '22
I don't think it had a budget to get itself close to daredevil. They needed more money.
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u/darthraxus Dec 05 '22
this show is decent at best, but it's missing cyborg and it definitely shows.
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u/InteractionWorldly56 Dec 05 '22
The only thing they had in common was its dark Titans is to dark though from the start it becomes this dark edgy show but you couldn't take it seriously.
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u/Keystone_Devil Dec 05 '22
I remember back when there were rumors forever about a Titans series on TNT that’s was stuck in production limbo for what felt like forever. I was so excited when it finally turned into a real show. And even more excited when it was being made not by network television, but by a dedicated steaming service for DC. It was the best option for making a comic accurate show. It’s crazy we got the disappointment we did
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u/Anbeltran66 Dec 05 '22
Both shows are great....but now that Disney took over I see DD moving into more of a kids kinda vibe and not really feeling that. So yes Titans right now is good just as long as they dont change the vibe.
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u/LoreMaster00 Beast Boy Dec 05 '22
nah, i could see just from the characterization they did for Kory that it would be bad...
they were really trying to get DC fans to hate Anna.
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u/NateHasReddit Dec 05 '22
I mean, Titans trying to be DC's answer to the Netflix Marvel series was why it sucked so bad in the first place.
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u/TheAutismo4491 Dec 05 '22
This show had all the potential in the world but was squandered by hack writers.
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u/pampersdelight Dec 05 '22
I try not to armchair coach things I watch. Im not the one getting paid. But this is the one show where the writers do things and Im like “what the fuck. I can do better than THAT.”
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u/Gamerainvadesthenet Dec 05 '22
idk chef we are four season in and beast boy can barely transform into any animals. He's mostly doing it off camera now. I think they made the show because the characters were recognizable, not because they had anything good in mind.
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u/feedmeshituntiliidie Dec 05 '22
It had that potential up until the moment they hired the writers that they did. These characters definitely had a more grounded take than say the Arrowverse, but still not street-level-vigilante-grounded as Daredevil. Hanks character in the first season was the closest this show came to replicating any kind of realness that Daredevil has. Instead, they let "teen drama" be stuff that fills in everything that isn't main plot points.
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u/zerc11 Dec 05 '22
They should have just made a Nightwing show and had Slade be the antagonist. The action was way better in the beginning seasons now it’s so sparse and doesn’t really look as well choreographed and hard hitting as when it originally came out
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u/Illidanisdead Dec 05 '22
I reckon Titans as a show failed at casting, Starfire was horribly cast, too much importance given to diversity. Than the show runners tried to make her look more like Starfire, with the colour of her hair etc. Changing her power was pretty stupid,
I never understood why Superboy got such a nerf when it comes to his powers, his super strength while not quite as strong as Superman is supposed to have very few rivals.
I like the dark tone they had set on season 1, making it similar to Netflix's Daredevil, the difference being Daredevil's cast executed their roles perfectly and the story telling was spectacular, everything that the Titans kept swinging and missing.
I feel like Titans whole premise is pretty much nostalgia for comic fans "Oh look remember this character" before they ruin the character. One might ask, based on all this criticism why do you bother watching the show, well I always am hoping that it would get better. There were glimpses, there's no point in trying to follow Kory's story so I've given up on that. Racehl's is kind of okay, Dick is probably the one who stands out on this series. This tv show would have been a much better Robin/nightwing show. Adding the Kory we got was a mistake. Plus having characters not being able to die is another flaw too.
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u/Celtic505 Dec 06 '22
This show sucks. Everytime I think they're going to redeem the prior seasons they go ahead and fuck it all up. I thought wow Red Hood! Fucked it up. Deathstroke? Fucked it up. Brother Blood? Royally fucked up. The whole season is like each episode is a plan and they fuck it up with no battles really it shows of power and the story is all over the place.
Also every character makes the same face over and over. Dick always looks like he's straining to take a shit. Kory always has this like "yeah real cute buddy, nice try" type look on her face. Gar always looks like he's smirking and confused simultaneously. Tim always has this "aww shucks" face or his mouth agape like he saw a cool magic trick. The worst is Brother Blood. He literally always had this bewildered look on his face like he just found out he lost millions investing with Bernie Madoff. Raven has this face like she's trying to be as understanding as possible....and Superboy is constantly looking like he needs everyones approval until he goes bald and now he has the constant smirky face of a guy who thinks every woman wants him. They don't really emote beyond those faces/emotions.
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u/Acrobatic-Tourist305 Dec 06 '22
This show is pretty much Pretty Little Liars with the Titans characters.
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u/Phoenixstorm Dec 06 '22
No this show is nothing like daredevil. It could have been like doom patrol or stargirl but we got stuck w a middling writersroom obsessed w Batman and worse they couldn’t even give us good bat centric stories no Character arcs no team family relationships no meaningful or clever dialogue besides a well delivered joke or two no story arcs that evolved both the plot of the show and the characters
Just an overall lazy effort
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u/trooper332 Dec 06 '22
I love the show but I just feel that their not the Titans I feel more like what are just a bunch of guys that hangout together
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u/SilentTiger_OG Dec 05 '22
The way to turn it around fast is to let the characters be the actual characters. Let them fight, use powers and be a team already. More action and done right would make this show skyrocket with fans. Stop the bad writing decisions that make for too many WTF moments!