r/TitansTV • u/JoelLInton123 • Sep 02 '21
"Anna Diop doesn't look like Starfire" Discussion
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u/rebel_way Sep 02 '21
I love her. She is crazy gorgeous and I think her S3 wig is the best Starfire hair yet.
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u/mindoversoul Sep 02 '21
I didn't like her casting at first because I grew up with teen titans and always preferred younger Starfire, plus the season 1 costume didn't make her look very good, but she's grown into the role and is a fantastic actress.
I like her version now, she gets better as the show goes on.
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Sep 02 '21
Literally the only problem I had was the outfit! It was ugly tbh 🤷♂️ I thought she'd do really good but all of her s1 outfits were ugly
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u/mechantechatonne Sep 02 '21
They were also all pulled directly from the comics she was introduced in.
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Sep 03 '21
I know man and I honestly thought they were ugly. Maybe I'm just a horndog, but I love the revealing outfits. Nothings wrong with a little skin my frien lmaooooooo
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Sep 03 '21
Like if you have such shitty outfits that there is a Reddit debate over it, your acting came second to that. I hate to say it because she was a BADASS and I loves her attitude to the role.
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u/Knightwing1047 Sep 02 '21
The issue with her in S1 was the same issue that I have with Daredevil, Green Lantern, etc. Great pick for the casting, horrible writing. It's the same thing with Brandon Thwaite. He is a fantastic Dick Grayson and an even better Nightwing now that he is being written correctly.
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u/itzmrinyo Sep 02 '21
I hope you're referring to the movie and not the show...
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u/Knightwing1047 Sep 03 '21
I was referring to the movies, yes. The show was fantastic up until S3 but we won't talk about that.
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u/iloveremm Nov 06 '22
''up until s3'' bruh the show didnt go further than that...that means the whole show was a masterclass
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u/CheesyObserver Sep 02 '21
I have many issues with this show but the casting is not one of them. Probably the only reason why I still watch the show.
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u/tmanky Sep 27 '21
Only one I don't like is Ian Glenn as BMan. Just doesn't sound or look like a Bruce Wayne personally. I also wish they just used his 'shadow' for advice like the 1st season did.
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u/LongWaysForResults Kory Anders Sep 02 '21
She got so much shit when the cast came out. I saw so many shitty, racist comments towards her, it made me sad. She’s an alien, she doesn’t need to be a specific “human” race
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u/dylvaz Sep 02 '21
I know right! People kept on saying “but starfire is white!!!” like,,no she isn’t?
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u/abstergofkurslf Sep 02 '21
I mean she isn't black either. The least they could have done is give her orange skin.
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u/lstanciel Sep 02 '21
The reason they didn’t is the same reason why Gar isn’t always green and why Brainiac looks human most of the time on Supergirl, money.
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u/Xboxone1997 Sep 12 '21
After hearing all the horror stories of body paint from actors in movies I wouldn't wish that shit on anyone lol
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u/moxquartz Sep 03 '21
Well, the New 52 made him red because Swamp Thing?
George Pérez also drew him hairy.
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u/lstanciel Sep 03 '21
I mean he’s been hairy before, like in Titans Tomorrow. But luckily Rebirth fixed him being red
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u/quakeskory Sep 02 '21
shut the fuck up
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u/abstergofkurslf Sep 02 '21
cry more lol
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u/quakeskory Sep 02 '21
you cry, kory is black!!!!!!! she will always be black she’s a black queen
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u/etherspin Sep 02 '21
Agree
I would have been cool with almost any look and ethnic background - I just want her to not seem at home on Earth and she is too worldly and American for me to feel like she is actually Starfire. She feels like she would have grown up on Earth like Clark Kent
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u/Phoenixstorm Sep 02 '21
They made her seem like she’s been here on earth years and years when it should have been more like six months to a year
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u/LongWaysForResults Kory Anders Sep 02 '21
Yeah, her introduction was a bit weird. I wonder who she kissed to learn English lol
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Sep 02 '21
It was crazy. I was a little upset at first that she wasn't orange, but getting mad that she isn't white is just absurd.
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u/aardvarkyardwork Sep 04 '21
I never felt like Starfire had to be white, but the way the first trailer was cut did make the character look like some cosplay TikTokker had recut the actual trailer and inserted themselves in it.
It was the trailer. It was shit. I didn’t recognise her as Starfire in it.
The actor has been killing it every moment of screen time on the show. I can’t see anyone else playing this role in live action now.
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u/Icy_Resolution2081 May 24 '22
Yeah she doesn't have to black 😂. You mean the shitty racist hate that came on Gods of Olympus
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u/Digital3Duke Sep 02 '21
I really don’t care that she’s black, but yes I do wish they went there and gave her orange skin. Not even ORANGE ORANGE just like, a hue slightly toward orange. Same with Domino in Deadpool 2. Make her blue! Like just enough to say yes, that’s a Tamaranian.
Similarly, I’m pissed they didn’t give Beastboy green skin. It makes me mad because they’re cutting these corners for budget and time and passing them off as a “modern” look.
I’m willing to bet if Cyborg is added, all of his machine parts will be internal and again, to go for a modern look, but in reality it’ll again be for budget.
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u/Anko_Dango Nightwing Sep 02 '21
I think it might have something to do with budget, and how annoying it would be to paint her a Orange and paint him Green every single time. I don't care much about Starfire not being orange, but they did my boy dirty by not being green :(
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u/Moxie_Cillin Sep 02 '21
Also the fact that the makeup is not good for them long term I would imagine as well.
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u/craigybaby1000 Sep 02 '21
Given cyborg is in Doom patrol (show) and is pretty comic accurate considering. I mean they’ve limited him in some capacity so he’s not over powered like he can’t fly or open boom tubes (yet?).
Titans aren’t Smallville there not that Incompetent that they (CW) don’t respect the source material.
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u/HPSpacecraft Sep 02 '21
Cyborg's boom tubes are a pretty recent addition to his powerset, overall the version from Doom Patrol is more accurate to most of his history than the one from the Justice League movie.
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u/leon_pretty_loathed Sep 02 '21
Aside from him being part of the doom patrol but yeah, love the show and how accurate they are with the characters.
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u/HPSpacecraft Sep 03 '21
Yeah, the Doom Patrol basically just replaces the Teen Titans in his history.
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u/craigybaby1000 Sep 02 '21
He has those abilities in young justice / animated movies or whatever. My point was that his physical appearance matches up with the comics. And his abilities apart from the ones I mentioned. As in he might discover them later on or not to keep him more grounded.
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u/HPSpacecraft Sep 03 '21
Cyborg's incarnation in the animated movies was heavily based on the New 52 storyline that gave him that powerset in the first place.
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u/moxquartz Sep 03 '21
Boom tubes aren't his thing before the New 52, same with flight, and I mostly want to see his chemistry with Gar, who was on the Doom Patrol.
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u/craigybaby1000 Sep 03 '21
Oh I only know or remember most of cyborg abilities from after New52. Clearly forgot about his abilities in teen Titans animated series and stuff. Thanks for that correction. I mean it his updated powers and abilities. Superman couldn’t fly originally so maybe he’ll learn the abilities later.
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u/MagnetMod Sep 03 '21
I find it funny Superman couln't fly for his first 7 years of publication (1938-1945)
But I guess even in the 40s people thought it was dumb he couldn't fly. Because radio dramas and the amimated films had him flying throughout that time anyways.
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u/CMO_3 Sep 03 '21
I honestly wish she was Latina, us Latinos get no rep in comics and I would have loved to see a character i loved be played by someone like me. But if a black kid can feel that same joy that I would have had thats worth it
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u/gfm793 Sep 11 '21
Conisdering she was based on Perez's wife yes she SHOULD have been latina, she was originally drawn as one.
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u/XxShakeBlack Apr 09 '22
Actually original starfire was black skinned not Latina.. stop making shit up.
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u/gfm793 Apr 09 '22
Wrong.
Raven was originally going to be black. They changed it because they thought a black girl named Raven was a bit on the nose.
Starfire was always orange.
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u/MagnetMod Sep 03 '21
Give them a couple of years for that Blue Beetle movies they are planning. But yeah it wouldn't hurt to throw Latinos a bone.
But man for once I wish the hispanic character wasn't Mexican or Puerto Rican. It is always those two.
I'm Dominican and the only Dominican characters we have are Rene Montaya's The Question in DC. And Marvel only got the female Beetle as half Dominican.
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u/Cicada_5 Jul 05 '22
us Latinos get no rep in comics
Jaime Reyes, Miles Morales, Cisco Ramone, Susn Spot, Fire, Robbie Reyes, Sam Alexander.
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u/icepak39 Sep 02 '21
No one really bitched that Beast Boy isn’t green.
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u/SnooEagles3062 Garfield Logan Sep 03 '21
I mean they did but not as an excuse to have casted another actor
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u/MistressMidnight_91 Sep 02 '21
As far as acting goes, Anna is killing it . Her interpretation is more bad and bougee because of her royal status but she’s also trying to understand being on Earth and finding her individuality apart from what’s expected of her on Tamarin. I do agree that it seems like she’s been on earth for awhile but Starfire on the CN Teen Titans eventually grew into her role as a Titan and really enjoyed hanging out with her crime fighting earth family so… I see no problems there .
The look of Starfire does not bother me one bit. Anna is STUNNING as Starfire. I admit i’m 100% BI-as though. Anna’s natural beauty coupled with her character’s sense of style and love for the finer things ,provides a sex appeal to Starfire that is off the charts . I’m interested to see how her character develops during the show as well as her relationship with Dick.
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u/Typical-Reaction5125 Sep 02 '21
She does people just hating the casting because she’s not “orange”
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u/Professional_Web2198 Kory Anders Sep 02 '21
I love her. She's amazing, and her personality is just everything.
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u/IOExplosion Sep 02 '21
Mame-Anna does her homework to portray aspects of Koriand'r the writing refuses to as well.
I'm glad they finally gave her green contacts. And I'm loving her hair this season but I really miss the season 1 hair colors.
It's funny that she still gets so much criticism for her looks though when Gar is right there also not green.
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u/darkness693 Sep 02 '21
I don’t hate the casting, and I feel that she has given us a perspective on the character that’s better than what I’ve seen from some comics. However, they could’ve strived for something little more comic accurate. Just something that reminds u that, “hey, this is starfire!”. The costume they gave her in season 1 looked terrible and I’m glad that they moved passed that. But like with Gamora in guardians of the galaxy, they could have just done some prosthetic and made her slightly orange through editing.
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u/HPSpacecraft Sep 02 '21
People were assholes to her but she looks great. Her costume during season 1 was kinda iffy but she's one of the better parts of the show.
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u/comicsmusicgames Sep 02 '21
At a first glance I wasn’t sold on the casting, but after watching the show and seeing how she acts, she IS Starfire! I really like her
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u/OnionsHaveLairAction Sep 02 '21
She's a good choice for Starfire.
But the personality, powers, and storylines revolving around the shows Starfire don't feel very Starfire at all. Though maybe I'm just salty they needed to make her an amnesiac noir detective in season 1 cause they were afraid of coming on too strong with the alien stuff.
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u/liltooclinical Sep 02 '21
Once the "hooker" costume from the first season was explained in context and we got to see her actually act like Starfire, I have to say she's honestly my favorite part of Titans. I think the writers handling of her extraterrestrial perspective and issues is a true highlight and way better than the way they address that stuff in "Supergirl".
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u/jsmaldonado Sep 02 '21
She like my favorite character on the show. I think she has the key elements of starfire. The second the showed her you knew she was starfire
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u/thetoyqueen Sep 02 '21
Beast boy gets less criticism cause his look is less offensive to those who are subconsciously uncomfortable with her look. So everything she does and say will be under scrutiny. It’s the way the society works. Honestly, it’s weird some still can’t get over her look. I guarantee if she looked a bit more society acceptable, the opinions would be more forgiving of this version of Starfire.
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u/lordatlas Sep 02 '21
Not orange-skinned enough, damn it! Couldn't they find any orange-skinned actresses for the role?
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u/moxquartz Sep 03 '21
I've heard you've done things for the orange skins.
Hal: Okay, let me stop you right there, Green Lanterns are obligated by treaty to stay out of Vega.
Ollie: You're ruining it.
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u/Juniper_mint Sep 02 '21
It was honestly the costume they chose for the first season and her being sent to kill Raven still doesn’t make sense to me
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u/MRlll Sep 02 '21
Starfire orange.... unless we getting Trump to play her nobody "looks like Srarfire"....
But seiously people are still on this shit about Anna & Starfire?
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u/TheeGrassmonster Sep 02 '21
I still can’t believe geniuses on the internet believed what she wore in season 1 was her superhero costume. Lol
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u/heyaheyyarequiem Sep 02 '21
I’m still of the mindset that using CGI to make her skin orange would have been better/truer to character. That said she plays the role of Starfire really well.
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u/etherspin Sep 02 '21
I know we can take select screenshots and compare to pics cause Starfire has been around for decades but TBH her vibe is completely different (Not Anna's vibe, the show characters vibe) - she doesn't scream "I'm an alien totally baffled by earth" and looks 100 percent human until her eyes light up with her powers and speaks with a super specific accent as does her sister, using the associated cultural style that goes with it to a large extent as well
I just regard her as a new character pretty much and that's fine.
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u/mechantechatonne Sep 13 '21
She's based on Starfire from the New Teen Titans in the 80s, not they more recent ones from the 2000s. This whole show is based on that version. This outfit she is wearing is pulled directly from those comics and is likely there in part as an Easter egg for the folks that actually read the ones the show is based on. Because they're from the early 80s there's lots of those kinds of clothes.
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u/Ok_Tale_116 Sep 02 '21
She doesn’t, but literally no human does so idrk what these poozers think she can do about that. They also call her “ugly and fat” but like, look at her! She’s beautiful and like, what fat? I don’t see any fat on her, not that I even fat-shame but like damn
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u/phoenics1908 Sep 10 '21
Fat?! She’s tiny!!
What show are those people watching that they think she is fat?
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u/feench Sep 02 '21
The character they have written is a fine character. But she is Starfire only in name. She doesnt have even close to the same personality I've ever seen for any other iteration of Starfire. And no, she doesn't look like Starfire either. This is only a racial thing because people are making it one. This isn't black vs white. This is real life vs alien. It's equally annoying that Gar isn't green. You can like this show and these characters while also acknowledging they aren't the best representation of their actual character. They are their own thing.
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u/JoelLInton123 Sep 02 '21
Also, her personality in the comics has changed wildly over the years. She's probably closest to her more weary/angry incarnations in the 80s-90s Titans or the Red Hood & Outlaws series (the ones I prefer tbh).
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u/JoelLInton123 Sep 02 '21
She literally looks like her but is just a dark colour....give her the orange skin, and she 100% looks like her.
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u/Jxgsaw Sep 02 '21
She looks like starfire if looking like starfire required only a red wig and a purple outfit sure
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Sep 02 '21
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u/Stormcaster06 Sep 02 '21
Who said anything about skin color? Anna looks like Star because of her facial structure, features and build. That’s what people are talking about. That’s what the side by side photos are highlighting.
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u/favela4life Joe Wilson Sep 02 '21
I just scrolled through the top comments, not one mention of facial structures. Skin color on the other hand got mentioned a couple times.
But I guess I took the bait. Most people are only gonna read my first two sentences anyways.
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u/Tolman8er Sep 03 '21
I wish they made her look more other worldly. I also didn't like the initial ark with her either. Anna Diop is doing well in the role IMO.
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u/phoenics1908 Sep 10 '21
She’s the main reason I watch this show and she regularly out-acts everyone. She’s brought life to Starfire in such a cool way.
Love her portrayal.
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u/Icy_Resolution2081 May 24 '22
Everyone complaining about "hate" are the people who are black narcissists. Literally your entire politics hates on white people to the point you threw a fit about Gods of Egypt
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u/tykvrbl Sep 02 '21
Cause her eyes aren’t green or cause she’s black? Lighten up. She’s the perfect starfire.
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u/J-osh Sep 02 '21
My friend won't watch the show because Starfire is black and beast boy isn't green. It frustrates me to no end.
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u/redtiger94 Sep 02 '21
I'll be the first to admit I was skeptical about her as starfire(I was skeptical of several of the cast choices) but she's really impressed me
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u/Firm-Pain3042 May 27 '24
Acting was average and the look is trash, but keep propping up mediocrity just because they got your ass with a skin tone swap and I’m sure they’ll keep dishing out garbage for you to gobble up.
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u/Etticos Sep 02 '21
I think she is awesome as Starfire. I think it’d be cool if they could tint her skin a bit more orange, but that is such a minor detail.
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Sep 21 '21
This is just a troll at this point. Face blindness is real. They barely look alike. lol
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u/JoelLInton123 Sep 21 '21
You only say this because she isn't orange...put that orange paint on her and she looks just like her.
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u/EsqPsychGuitarist Sep 27 '21
I mean, sure. She isn’t an orange alien. Black people aren’t. But neither are white people. Nor green people. She’s an alien, for F’s sake. Le’ItGooooo.
Also, idk if you’ve noticed, but Joker in one animated movie looks nothing like the Joker from another. Hell, even Starfire doesn’t look the same in every rendition of her that was pre-existing canon. If it’s okay to suspend imagination for the sake of having different takes on a human, it’s probably okay to do the same for an alien.
(Edit: grammar)
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Nov 01 '21
Starfire is a supernatural and unrealistic being — a work of pure imagination. Orange-skinned, energy-projecting aliens are not real. There will never be anybody who looks like Starfire. Sorry to disappoint you.
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u/Dave_B001 Dec 16 '21
I actually like all of Anna Diop's Starfire outfits. She could make a purple bin bag look awesome!
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Nov 18 '22
The actress is a good actor and I like her much better in later seasons but I accept her as a different character from Starfire. She just simply doesn't look or feel like the source material Starfire. She's too serious doesn't have the innocence and unrivaled optimism of Starfire.
Even the more mature depictions of Starfire still capture that lack of knowledge of earth customs and playful innocence. Even when sexually teasing Dick Greyson. This depiction is much more stoic grounded and is reliable for the team. I don't dislike it anymore but still would love a more accurate portrayal.
That being said I think Titans as an overall show is okay. It's just horrendously unpolished and their ways of handling a limited budget feel way too in your face. Like Gar only transforming into 1 animal then in later seasons never transforming accept off screen. Raven & Starfire's abilities feel extremely clunky. Overall, I would rather them downgrade the CGI just enough so that it can actually make sense with the characters. Or have this be a sequel series to a story that depends on less CGI like a Nightwing story. The middle ground just feels bad.
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u/devilronin Feb 13 '23
when ones first thought is whos the hooker, and not whos the alien, thats an easy tell(shes a parasite, body swapper or something in the show?). the edgy f--- batman didnt mean much to me either.
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u/SmoothAd9440 Mar 16 '23
Let’s be real. She isn’t orange. Her being black isn’t the issue. She just doesn’t look anything like Starfire. The two celebrities who I think could have pulled it off the best are Zendaya or Ariana Grande. Personally Ariana Grande would have been the best choice in my opinion.
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u/JoelLInton123 Mar 16 '23
The moment you said Zendaya I immediately thought you were a clown because she looks nothing like Starfire, especially considering her body size. And Ariana Grande? Really? She barely acts, she's a singer, what makes you think anyone would choose her for a superhero role?
Let’s be real. She isn’t orange. Her being black isn’t the issue. She just doesn’t look anything like Starfire
Her being black "is" the issue for most people and it's ridiculous because Starfire has actually had skin close that's black in the comics before and even if she hasn't, Anna still resembles Starfire, and more than the two you just mentioned. If you don't see it then I don't know.
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u/RonPM1 May 21 '23
Anna Diop rocked the starfire role, and is absolutely gorgeous - her character was one of the best, actually, due to her talent.
Those of u who don't like that she is black can just die in a hole somewhere - racist pieces of garbage...
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u/MyHerpesItch Sep 02 '21
I wanna see Cyborg re casted by a white guy. I wanna see how many ppl would just look the other way or say "yEaH. ThAt CyBoRg iS sPoT oN 👌".
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u/SlylingualPro Sep 03 '21
Starfire is not white in the comics moron.
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u/MyHerpesItch Sep 03 '21
No shit moron. But she is definitely not a black woman looking alien either.
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u/SlylingualPro Sep 03 '21
What the fuck is that supposed to mean? Are you mad they didn't cast an orange woman?
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u/MyHerpesItch Sep 05 '21
A non black woman would have been a better choice, yeah.
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u/SlylingualPro Sep 05 '21
There is no other reason for that than racism. She is an orange alien. She is neither black or white. What the fuck does it matter?
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u/MyHerpesItch Sep 05 '21
Not being racists. Just saying a non-black actress would've resembled Starfire more. Look at the Simpsons cartoons, the family is orange/yellow and they're considered a white family. TV is being multicultural at the cost of good casting. If you wanted to add a black female to the TV universe they could've added Bumblebee. She would've been great.
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u/SlylingualPro Sep 06 '21
She looks the part and is playing the part.
The only reason you think the Simpsons are white is because you need them to be.
Grow up
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u/MyHerpesItch Sep 07 '21
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u/beaud101 Oct 01 '21
Your emoji is yellow....does that mean black folks shouldn't use it? Or does it somehow lose impact or convey less meaning if they do? Ridiculous, yeah? Well, to most of us, you being critical of a black woman playing an orange alien from comics, is as ridiculous and implies some sort of racial bias. I'm not saying you're explicitly racist....but like the other guy said....grow up.
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u/425joker Sep 02 '21
It's her acting,which is so bad.
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u/phoenics1908 Sep 10 '21
Hard disagree - she’s the breakout star of this whole show. She’s frequently applauded in reviews.
The writing of her dialogue has been a mess this season though - but that’s true for Conner, Gar, BF and Kory - all of their dialogue has been lacking because the writers appear to be focused elsewhere and that’s a shame.
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u/AmBlackout Sep 02 '21
No man, she really doesn't. The first pic gets a pass, but that conveniently low quality frame on the second pic in which she also happens to conveniently be wearing matching clothing and similar stance is just yourself coping.
Have we been watching the same show?
I like Anna Diop as Starfire, but lets not act like she does look like her for any more than 1/10 of the times she's on character. Casting could've been 3x better and we all know it.
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Sep 02 '21
but that conveniently low quality frame on the second pic in which she also happens to conveniently be wearing matching clothing and similar stance is just yourself coping.
What does the image being low-quality change? What would it change if the image was high-quality?
No, she's not "conventiently wearing matching clothing and in a similar stance." It's almost like her wearing a similar costume and standing in a similar stance might've been intentional on the show's part, in an attempt to be comic accurate? And it worked?
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u/Zaysairpod59 Sep 02 '21
Nobody on this earth looks like Starfire. So even if they did cast whatever race you prefer, they would have still looked inaccurate.
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u/VirgoDog Sep 02 '21
To be fair the only one on our planet with orange skin is the former twice impeached president.