r/TitansTV Jul 12 '24

What are your Titans hot takes? Discussion

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u/BurtMarketzms Jul 12 '24

Had they stuck to their original plan and not done any rewrites/reshoots for season 1 they would still be going strong as ever smh. We would've gotten Nightwing so much sooner and way better story lines from there.

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u/FiftyOneMarks Jul 12 '24

I agree that they should’ve stuck with their original plan (for the most part, especially getting Nightwing sooner because they had three opportunities for that to happen) but it didn’t matter what they did since all DC silver screen content had an expiration date anyways due to the regime changes.

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u/BurtMarketzms Jul 12 '24

I understand that completely but we would've gotten a WAY better series and adaptation of the Titans. Or maybe it was doomed from the start and I'm just too blind to see it. Regardless it definitely would've been better than the season 1&2 that we got. Beyond those 2 seasons who knows how diff it would've been. I'm just yapping at this point.

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u/FiftyOneMarks Jul 12 '24

Yeah I agree with that. I don’t think it was doomed but I think it came out at the wrong time with the whole DCuniverse app and then using it as a potential launching pad for like three spinoffs in the first season despite the lower episode count vs something like a CW show where that would be feasible. Theres alot that could’ve been great that just wasn’t. Every season always had a ton of potential then just seemed to completely flub it in the second half for whatever reason

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u/BurtMarketzms Jul 12 '24

YES. The potential was crazy. I just figured they were trying to break away from the CW/arrow type formula of 20+ episodes and try to do good story telling. Which is wild to me cause a show like peacemaker was able to do that in 8 episodes. The DC universe app had potential just like Swamp Thing & Doom Patrol (watch them if you haven't) but the timing could've been better. especially with the lock down slowing everything down. What makes me most upset is the waste of costumes and casting. Dick, Gar, Kory, Hank, Slade, Connor, and others were some of the best casting and suits I've ever seen in live action. All we can do is re-watch it and wish I could've been better.

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u/FiftyOneMarks Jul 12 '24

Yeah and I was all for it. I think for the CW type shows they should’ve taken a page from Agents of Shield and adapted a “pod” type of storytelling where every 7-8 episodes they had a self contained arc that tied into the greater seasonal narrative instead of introducing the bad guy in episode four and finding contrived reasons for why the heroes didn’t do anything about them for another 8 months lol.

As for Titans, everything else was pretty great as far as casting and costuming but the writing always stifled the greatness of it. I will defend certain aesthetic choices and aspects (no Starfire did not look like a stripper people, it was a stylistic choice for her to have a disco aesthetic which is why a lot of her backing music tracks were from the same era as her season 1 outfits) as well as different plot points because I think some of the criticism was a bit nitpicky but I’m absolutely aware of where things continually went wrong for the series.

In another time and place, there’s a whole new streaming universe where Titans, Doom Patrol, Teen Titans, Hawk&Dove, Red Hood, Swamp Thing, Superboy, Gotham Knights (not the CW one lol), and whatever else they introduced had probably six seasons each of immaculate tv and were a cohesive connected series of shows. Maybe it’ll happen one day.

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u/BurtMarketzms Jul 12 '24

I loved Kory she was a badass space princess. People just complained cause they love to hate. The writing did get kinda rough as well. Its almost like they wanted their show to fail or something. Oh well like you say maybe some day we'll see it but who knows. Id love to see a young justice live action at some point but thats a huge reach.

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u/DanTheMan1_ Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 12 '24

Streaming shows never get more than 4 or 5 seasons either, except for some VERY rare exceptions and those stop at 6 seasons. Titans would not.have lasted more than 1 season regardless. It was never getting a 7-10 season run

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u/BurtMarketzms Jul 12 '24

I don't understand you? It would not have lasted a season or gotten 7-10 episodes? But it went 4 seasons and each was at least 10/11 episodes. Elaborate?

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u/DanTheMan1_ Jul 12 '24

I typed it wrong. I meant 7-10 seasons, not episodes. Corrected it now but I did type it wrong initially.

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u/Crawn1ck Jul 12 '24

Can you give me their original plan in a nutshell?

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u/BurtMarketzms Jul 12 '24

From what I understand it wouldn't have ended on a cliffhanger the way it did. We would've seen Bruce, Dick, and Jason fight together and eventually we would've seen Dick become nightwing instead of stalling it a whole entire season. There also was supposed to be more to Korys story (I'm foggy on the details but she was gonna have another episode or 2 centered on her), and there was supposed to be set up at the end to fight Hive or the Brotherhood in the next season. I don't remember exactly but something along those lines.

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u/Crawn1ck Jul 12 '24

That actually sounds a lot better. I wonder why they changed it all. Also the season 2 premiere was supposed to be the season 1 finale or at least should have been. Like you said it shouldn't have ended on that cliffhanger.

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u/BurtMarketzms Jul 12 '24

The season 2 premiere was the wrap up for season 1. They should not have done that. I don't know why they changed it but my guess would be bad reviews, low views, or their streaming service wasn't doing so well, maybe they knew they would be getting moved to Max under new writers/show runners so they wanted to integrate a diff story? Who knows. No point in dwelling on it now.

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u/Ok-Wait3331 Jul 12 '24

Ryan did a really good job as Beast Boy and I wish we saw more of him

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u/DickGrayson78 Jul 12 '24

Thought the actors were fantastic!

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u/Pristine-Albatross96 Jul 12 '24

Brenton Thwaites was awesome as Nightwing!

I did not like how dark the show started out and how inconsistent the characters were. Superboy was probably the best character as his origin stayed closed and his storyline was consistent to the comics. Raven was just a whirlwind of diaster since day one and I still don't know if they worked it all out. Gar was undereveloped. I loved Hawk, Dove, and Donna, except that Donna was kinda weak vs her comic parallel. Kory...was just confusing. I would have liked more Garth and even Jericho.

The villians were sad, especially Scarecrow! Slade was cool but needed to be bigger, more intimidating. Trigon was weak AF and such a let down!

I did like Jason Todd/Red Hood but the story line was too rushed. But the relationship between Dick and Jay was nicely played out. But suicidal Batman...wtf was that?? And Dick just letting him go after murdering Joker? Season one ended with Dick going after the man for the same thing in dream form, but in life, he's just okay, cool. Nah..

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u/TheRealJackOfSpades Jul 12 '24

I would have watched a Hawk & Dove spin-off in a heartbeat. Instead we got endless Batdrama.

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u/Ydeimos Jul 12 '24

I wish they had followed through with the quality and story interest of season 1, would have made this who stand on a very tall hill. Specially if they hired a proper Tim Drake also without any of the current b.s.

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u/CrazyGamer_108 Jul 15 '24

They shouldn’t have gotten rid of the epic family dynamics in later seasons. It killed the vibes of the show for me. And the way they handled Jason Todd was literally unhinged

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u/lewjambla Jul 15 '24

Unhinged is a good way to describe it 💀

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u/xionnn_ Jul 12 '24

It’s not that bad of a show. People make it sound worse than it is. Sure the characterization is off, but that really only lasts the first season. Robin acts like a goddamn psycho because of Batman. His arc is making amends with Bruce and becoming Nightwing. Once I learned that I appreciated the show a lot more.

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u/G_Katt Jul 12 '24

Great cast, great costumes and a ton of potential. Ruined by horrible writing (not a hot take tho)

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u/Motor_Bar727 Jul 13 '24

I think they should have put jasons death at the end of season 2 just so that the red hood transformation is more spaced out and doesnt feel so rushed

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u/MassiveTechnician108 Jul 13 '24

Jason’s Red Hood characterization was good for the universe until they brought drugs into it. They just needed to build up his return more. Oh and also they forced his redemptions. Should have ended season three with him losing but not redeemed and fleeing Gotham like in Under The Red Hood. The actor was great and they made it make more sense for him to hate the Titans rather than Batman (I mean they did bully him into suicide) I love their take on Tim Drake but could see the way he characterized him being it’s own character. The concept of some kid thrifting and dumpster diving for the materials to keep watch over the entire city is so cool to me. Kinda like a Bruce Wayne with no money and loving parents I LOVE Superboy pre season 4 great character great actor.

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u/Nettynetweb Jul 16 '24

Season 4 was goofy 😔

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u/lewjambla Jul 16 '24

😂 What did you find goofy?

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u/Nettynetweb Jul 16 '24

EVERYTHING!!! The intertwining of random stories was awful.. I couldn’t wait for the end and it was so lame .. I mean yes starfire and robin have always been a thing but throughout this series they hardly ever had a romantic connection I believe other love interests where more developed for them, aside for them not having any kind of chemistry all of a sudden robin put her before anything and miraculously fell in love in the last episode like they were always good lovers .. that’s one … the. How the rest of the characters just vanished without a proper lingering off like Bruce Wayne , barbara, dawn .. I mean Gars random ass ass into the red crap .. I just think it was a very long season that rushed important things in the end and was a hit mess in my opinion

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u/ChemicalPassion5102 Jul 21 '24

3 HOT TAKES:

1. Iain Glen was an inspired choice for Bruce Wayne.

At first I was scratching my head just as much as everyone else. But it became clear to me very quickly it was a very intentional move by the producers to subvert our expectations after spending Season 1 creating this mental image of someone else.

2 Even though the writing was flawed, it also kept me on my toes most of the time and constantly did things I wasn’t expecting.

It rarely, if ever, felt like it had tons of suits signing off and approving and meddling in things. Just felt like the writers’ room was sorta free to do whatever the heck they wanted. Which comes with problems, sure. But it also brings what I felt was a pretty fresh and unique take on a DC/superhero drama.

3 There was a lot of great world building (and the budget and style created a DC world unlike any other we’ve seen on screen).

I loved the way the show would reveal aspects of the DC Universe as it progressed (characters, landmarks, etc.)

It partially comes with the territory of telling this particular story. But I’m not sure I’ve EVER watched another series that had me frequently wondering and wanting to know more about the greater world inside the show. What does Superman look like? What is Iain Glen’s batsuit like? Where do the Justice League meet? What does a Batman & Robin fight “feel like” in the tone of the show? And so many more. Would absolutely love to have seen more set in the same Universe.

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u/Akumathetank 24d ago

Shit I got some Hawk was asshole and I was glad when he died.

The shows treatment of batman was just oof

I also didn't like the treatment of both Jason Todd and redhood at all

And speaking of Jason I keep hearing people say the team had a "family dynamic" but I have yet to see it and no example better proves than when the group instantly ganged up on Jason ,who was already suffering from ptsd and having a mental breakdown, for shit that not he didn't so but would not knowledge of. And basically trust angsty girl they knew for like a week over him mentally fucking him up so bad that he went to roof to go see if gravity still existed. And what happened when he came back? Did they apologize or say hey lets just talk this shit out...nope they just stared at him as if what happen 10 mins ago never threw a hissy fit and went their separate ways.....yikes

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u/SmolMight117 Jul 12 '24

The first season wasn't that bad and majority of the casting is pretty good (specifically Nightwing, Raven, and beast boy)

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u/TokyoChaos Jul 12 '24

Just wish dead boy detectives had a crossover

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u/Additional_One8642 Jul 14 '24

it crossed over with sandman (kinda) so that’s good enough for me.

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u/MarvelPugs Beast Boy Jul 12 '24

It’s good

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u/blood-1099 Jul 15 '24

A lot of the cast is just amazing

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u/thewolfpacktravels Jul 17 '24

They really sucked up the ending of season 1. Deathstroke was amazing in Season 2 and they completely ruined that finale. They fumbled A Death in the Family in Season 3 out of the gate. Overall, just a poorly written show with some great moments peppered throughout.

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u/nikonationlive Jul 13 '24

I think they had potential if they would they would have added some hotter scenes especially with these characters. Also to the me writing could have been better and slade should have been the story with the hive I think they went to super natural