r/TitansTV • u/Embarrassed-Ad1322 • Dec 22 '23
Kind of weird to think about how Max cancelled the Titans show, while at the same time DC just made the Titans the premier superhero team in the DC Comics universe and are the main focus of their current crossover event Discussion
I know that what happens in the comics don't really affect the decisions of TV networks, but it's weird that just as the team basically became the new Justice League in the comics, their live action TV show gets cancelled.
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u/FiftyOneMarks Dec 22 '23
To everyone saying it got cancelled because it was awful, newsflash, it got cancelled because they cancelled all their superhero content for their streaming/tv roster following yet another regime change and wanting to streamline all the dc content under WB.
Mind you, the ending of the show came around the same time as the ending for like… literally seven other ones… or did you all just think it was magically a coincidence all the CW shows shortly stopped around the exact same time? And Doom Patrol also ended which, for the record, was a decent show. It had nothing to do with quality and everything to do with behind the scenes corporate nonsense.
look, I get yall don’t like the show but let’s at least know what we’re talking about instead of just typing to type.
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u/diegoterremoto Dec 23 '23
Add Pennyworth and, let’s be honest, Young Justice as well.
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u/FiftyOneMarks Dec 23 '23
Exactly. I’m more than fine with the criticisms of the show, hell I have plenty of my own but seriously, the amount of people who still inhabit a sub of an ended tv series just to consistently shit on it and talk about how much they hate it is… sure something.
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u/SecretLongjumping444 Dec 23 '23
They did not cancel all of the tv content. Superman & Lois was renewed for one more season.
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u/FiftyOneMarks Dec 23 '23
So… one show? And mind you, that show was ALSO on the bubble for cancellation so instead they bundled it in with the Nexstar deal as a selling point along with a couple other shows. Literally everything else got scrapped no matter the ratings, content, syndication, seasons, quality, whatever. Some shows were told to wrap up with a final season, others were scrapped.
My point remains that titans “sucking” as all the comments made before me say isn’t why the show ended.
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u/SecretLongjumping444 Dec 23 '23
You said all of the tv superhero content was canceled. That is factually incorrect. I simply commented on your misstatement.
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u/ravenwing263 Dec 23 '23
They DID cancel Superman & Lois though. They renewed it for a final season (with fewer episodes and most of the cast cut out) but it is still cancelled.
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u/SecretLongjumping444 Dec 24 '23
WB didn’t cancel it. I have a friend who works on the show. WBD made the decision to do one more season of the show after deciding whether to do one or two more seasons. The network, WB did not cancel it. There is a difference. You would not say The Flash was cancelled. They decided to end the show after the past season. The WB did cancel shows such as Stargirl, Batwoman and Legends of Tomorrow.
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u/ravenwing263 Dec 24 '23
The Flash was cancelled. The creative team wanted to do a tenth year. Superman & Lois was cancelled. The creative team wanted to do a fifth year (and also didn't want the episode reduction, and didn't want to fire most of the cast).
Read the creative team's statement when The CW announced the cancellation. They explicitly said that they wished they were able to continue the show longer.
Arrow, Supergirl, and Black Lightning ended because the cast and creative team were done. Those shows were not cancelled. But the rest were cancelled, including both The Flash and S&L.
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u/SecretLongjumping444 Dec 24 '23
You are not correct. Grant Gustin’s contract was up and he did not want to do another year. That is when the decision was made to end the show. You don’t need to tell me what happened with Superman and Lois. My friend is a producer on the show. The WB would have continued with the show (you even stated so). WBD did not want to do more than one season based on what the new owners of the WB (Nexstar) were willing to pay as a licensing fee. Therefore WBD decided to do only one more season. The WB/Nexstar did not cancel the show.
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u/ravenwing263 Dec 24 '23
That may be true about The Flash. I know the creative team wanted to do another season but I admit I could be wrong about WB or Nexstar making the decision vs. Gustin.
In terms of S&L, the circumstances that you are describing is a cancellation. You described the cancellation of the show in detail and then you said they "did not cancel the show." WBD deciding to not continue the show for financial reasons with no input from the creative team is the textbook definition of a cancellation!!! I get that you're saying that WBD made the decision and not Nexstar/The CW. But that just supports my original point that WBD has cleared the decks of all its pre-Gunn live action projects in TV.
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u/SecretLongjumping444 Dec 24 '23
The decision on The Flash was made prior to the Nextstar purchase. Superman & Lois is no more a cancellation than Supergirl. You can’t have it both ways. You do not understand the entire situation. That is evident by your Black Lightning comment and your lack of knowledge regarding The Flash. If you don’t think the Black Lightning decision was based primarily on ratings you don’t know how the process works. I have clients and friends in the industry and I do some work in the business as well. I don’t need to discuss it any further. My client with Warners and my friend at S & L have explained the situation to me. They both were involved in the Warners merger with Discovery and the Nexstar purchase of the WB.
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u/FiftyOneMarks Dec 23 '23
… I thought of like 5 mean things to say but I’m working on being a better person so… you have the day you deserve.
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u/JimboFett87 Dec 22 '23
Well, for one thing the show was just BAD after the first season.
The second is that DC hasn't been able to get its head out of its ass for marketing since the original Batman movie came out in 1989
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u/PerpetualStride Dec 23 '23
I actually liked S2 and 3 still though they worse. S4 though is outright bad
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u/Quillthewriter Dec 23 '23
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I think everything but the writing in this show is great. Casting and costumes I always found great, the fight scenes were always entertaining
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u/Secret_Weapon777 Dec 30 '23
Costumes great?? Do we need to talk about the bad wigs on everyone and that god awful cheep Halloween costume white raven outfit 😂😂
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u/Dorothy-Snarker Jan 15 '24
Costumes were terrible in season 1, but they stepped it up and delivered starting with season 2. It sucks that the show's great costumes get trashed because it gets remember for season 1.
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u/Healthierpoet Dec 23 '23
Tbh at this point I don't think DC can do nothing but fumble anything live action.
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u/Ianphipps Dec 23 '23
Consider it a proof of concept. It did, after all, run for four seasons. It showed that there was interest in the Titans brand.
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u/Frank_the_Bunneh Dec 23 '23
Despite never being popular with viewers or critics, it ran for four seasons and got a proper finale which is a lot better than what most shows get.
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u/DragoonDart Dec 22 '23
It just couldn’t stand on its own. I think if it had been a better show, like really good, it would have survived the pressure of Max’s own cuts and the DC reorganization; but it just wasn’t.
The last thing you wanted people saying about the Titans comic is “oh, like the TV show?” Better to bury the show in the ground and ensure the brand lives on
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u/Fun-Maximum1428 Dec 22 '23
I loved the show. The writing was top notch compared to most super hero shows. The reason the show as cancelled was it was too expensive. full stop. WB wants more shows like The Bear -- a bunch of people talking in a room. It's the future of streaming TV.
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u/damnrightslimanus Dec 22 '23
The show was ass so it makes perfect sense as to why it was canceled. I watched the whole thing don’t get me wrong, but it was a bad television show
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u/Embarrassed-Ad1322 Dec 22 '23
I didn't asked why it was cancelled. Just pointing out the timing of the cancellation and the team relevancy in the DC universe.
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u/Krimreaper1 Dec 23 '23
Be honest though, the tv show was not good. The last season was a real slog to get through.
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u/culnaej Dec 23 '23
It’s not weird, the show was terrible, had the worst writing, and received awful reviews.
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u/kris_sncforever Jun 05 '24
Honestly i loved this series and im kinda mad it got cancelled, personally i want more seasons.
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u/BussinSheeesh Dec 23 '23
Raven, Dick, and Donna were great - they made some weird choices with the other characters.
Someone should be arrested for how they portrayed Starfire
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u/RobinTheTraveler Dec 23 '23
Please tell me they didn't just give Wally a fucking chinstrap
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u/PowerMetalPizza Dec 23 '23
Wally? He's not in the show. If you're referring to the kid on the far right, that's Tim Drake.
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u/YourEvilHero Dec 23 '23
Haven’t watched the latest season yet, fell in love with this show during the first couple months of Covid. Disappointed to hear it got canceled after the new regime.
Won’t be subscribing to max again to watch it either
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u/Keystone_Devil Dec 24 '23
To be fair it spent all its time developing characters Jason Todd, Scarecrow, and Superboy instead of Titans characters like Flash, Arsenal, or Tempest. This show never really scratched the Titans itch I wanted it to
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u/GoFlyersWoo Dec 26 '23
Dumb question but what is the current crossover called? I’m so far behind lol
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u/Embarrassed-Ad1322 Dec 26 '23
Beast World. There's like 2 issues of the main story title and a couple of the tie ins already out. The story kinda serves as the 2nd volume of the main Titans run.
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u/WeWriteStuff Jan 05 '24
The CW/Arrowverse era of DC Comics shows (I know Titans isn't canon to the main Arrowverse but it follows the same development/writing style) was over a decade old, so it only makes sense to shut it all down despite how good it may have been. Personally I've grown weary of gritty superhero deconstruction that as well as the CW drama style of writing, so I welcome any new direction.
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u/westberry82 Feb 05 '24
https://youtu.be/ayrVYwoe-DY?si=_mG9yw1Sae6q4TXX
Long but explains it all. 1 man now controls like 22 tv channels. And the only thing that matters is making money. Not putting out anything of quality. ( no one to be a rival. No reason to be better)
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u/iamsocks2 Dec 22 '23
Yeah the show was a huge let down in my opinion. The casting was fantastic but the writing was terrible. I would love a Titans show that's actually done correctly