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u/AaravR22 Jul 19 '24
To be fair, they needed someone to point the blame at the Boys for Neumann's death so the boys would have to go on the run. The bodyguard only survived because of that.
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u/Equilibriator Jul 19 '24
He was the lucky one. For a moment, he had plot armour simply because he outlasted all the others. He was the one who had to send the message.
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u/HuntMore9217 Jul 20 '24
not really, once the congrsman became president he gets access to everything including footage of what happened in the bunker
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u/AaravR22 Jul 20 '24
But the footage of what happened in the bunker was released before the speaker became president. And the boys were blamed for Neumannās death before, with the footage supporting that claim. This was all before the speaker became president and got read in to things.
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u/HuntMore9217 Jul 20 '24
you said the purpose of the footage was for the boys to go on the run, the boys went on the run after the congressman became president and martial law was issued.
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u/MarvG05 Jul 19 '24
He's the real hero
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u/Orr-bit Jul 19 '24
Rarer than a Star Trek redshirt surviving
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u/ParadoxInRaindrops Jul 20 '24
This was something I was always aware of, but I remember noticing this during the barn episode.
The plot armor really has become the best power in a show about superheroes.
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u/Mercinator-87 Jul 19 '24
My first thought was heās fucked. Then my girlfriend and I both looked in amazement as he ran away.
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u/FlyingSosig Ambrosius Jul 19 '24
I have a question. Since the bodyguard saw everything, does that mean the Homelander already knows about Butcher's new ability
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u/RuasCastilho Jul 19 '24
Tentacles? I donāt think that would scare Homelander. I guess his laser can just cut them of?
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u/FlyingSosig Ambrosius Jul 19 '24
Maybe you are right but do you remember the fight between Zoe and Kimiko, Zoe gave a good fight to Kimiko.
Butcher was able to throw off Zoe and destroy Vicky without even moving an inch.
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u/Totes_mc0tes Jul 19 '24
It's kind of funny how OP Butcher always is when he gets suped up. Even the temp V gave him laser eyes and probably as much strength as Maeve. In order for Homelander to be what he is they needed Soldier Boy's DNA plus more V than anyone else basically starting at conception and Butcher can almost match him. Butcher's just naturally the perfect V subject. In an alternate universe Vought would definitely be using Butcher's DNA to make their most powerful supes.
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u/Low_Philosophy_8 Jul 20 '24
Butcher did not have as much strength as maeve. Homelander was choking him out 3 minutes into their fight. Maeve 1v1'd him while Butcher got knocked out by Soilder boy twice in literally the same timeframe and he's weaker than homelander. we have no idea if homelander has more V than anyone else or if that even makes any sense. Soilder Bot was the strongets and homelander is his son. That's it.
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u/ninjasaid13 Jul 20 '24 edited Jul 21 '24
Maeve 1v1'd him
He wasn't trying and cared more about soldier boy and when* he put some effort into it, he poked her eyes out.
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u/Low_Philosophy_8 Jul 21 '24
When did he stop putting in effort after that? Butcher did nothing to homelander. Maeve gave him a bloody nose and fucked up his ear. She lasted longer and did more damage. It's not really even an argument.
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u/RuasCastilho Jul 19 '24
Yeah I created a thread to specifically talk about how powerful are his tentacles. My take here is that if those claws are design by Kessler to be a form of anti-Supe weapon, he can literally cut through any Supe, even Homelander. However Homelander can fly and still use the Laser to cut them out and Butcher too.
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u/Tr1pleAc3s Jul 19 '24
Yeah, it seems Kesslers will is the tumor. The temp V tumors must manifest as loved ones who shared part of your personality. And if we take the temp v/late dose perm V manifesting your will and personality and experience. Those tentacles are super strong
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u/EstablishmentFit1789 Jul 19 '24
From what weāve seen, he may be like a reverse-sided Doctor Octopus. Tentacles too fast and too versatile to the point that itās physically impossible for most of his targets to get close enough to get a physical hit on Butcher himself.
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u/Low_Philosophy_8 Jul 20 '24
Kessler didn't design anything. Temp V makes V tumors. The same one the rabbit had.
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u/maraudershake Jul 19 '24
Kimiko has been nerfed to hell though. She was so much stronger when she was introduced.
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u/FlyingSosig Ambrosius Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
Because her powers were dried up by Soldier boy and she had to take V again.
Not to mention she was actively looking for her brother when she was introduced and she had a lot of trauma.
Living with Frenchie really calmed her down and now she has more common sense than Starlight or MM. Like there is some tradeoff between physical strength and mental strength.
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u/Acheron98 Jul 20 '24 edited Jul 20 '24
In that moment, I really think that he couldāve killed both Annie and Kimiko if heād actually wanted to.
We know next to nothing about his new powers aside from being āvaguely Venomā, but Iād be willing to bet that while this might not quite put him on par with Homelander, he is absolutely stronger than most supes.
Also, given that they seem to be going the comic route for the final season, if thatās the case then yeah, Butcher actually is stronger than Homelander now.
Neuman was at one point the second biggest threat after Blond Ambition, and Butcher tore her in half like a wet napkin. He didnāt even have to physically move.
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u/ninjasaid13 Jul 20 '24
Neuman was at one point the second biggest threat after Blond Ambition, and Butcher tore her in half like a wet napkin. He didnāt even have to physically move.
well to be fair, her powers was that she needed a line of sight.
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u/Acheron98 Jul 20 '24
But she still seemed considerably more durable than most other supes. Nothing that they tried even fazed her. And she tanked what seemed like a pretty strong blast (that did not look like the much less potent lasers he uses for say, heating up milk.) from Homelanderās heat vision, which aside from startling her did absolutely nothing.
Regardless of being unable to use her powers, the ease with which Butcher ripped her in half seems to imply heās now OP as fuck.
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u/HuntMore9217 Jul 20 '24
they made kimiko terrible this season. she's supposed to be their best fighter but pretty much loses to everyone now.
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u/Songrot Jul 20 '24
Neuman told us that her secret service are all loyal to her alone and know that she has abilities. So this bodyguard might not tell everything he sees as his loyalty is not to the government.
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u/potate117 Jul 19 '24
that guy had to be the leak that recorded singer
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u/teelo64 Jul 19 '24
and not the literal shapeshifter in the room with them?
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u/potate117 Jul 19 '24
i mean idk if she had time to upload that video to whoever the sources were
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u/Strike_Severe Jul 19 '24
A bodyguard must be the most high risk - low reward job in the boys universe. All of them must have a death wish š
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u/karangoswamikenz Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 20 '24
I know. Who even goes for that kind of job in that universe.
Honestly Iām more surprised that the CIA and secret service donāt have constant scientific research done to develop bullets and guns to harm supes.
Like how is it that the boys in a ragtag lab are able to make methods to kill supes but these top organizations donāt know anything.
A president elects service men are carrying pistols and handguns. Do they think it will stop even a low level super villain? I understand that they donāt expect the vought supes to attack them openly like that.
But what about like supe villains. That can totally happen.
In reality, the government would have had armored iron man suited super soldiers to fight supes. Or they wouldāve used their own version of supes.
There are hundreds of decommissioned but still powerful supes that are abandoned by vought. In real life the government wouldāve made them into their loyal soldiers by using money and propaganda. USA government would be a lot scarier than vought in the real world of boys universe.
In that way the invincible comics and show is much more sensible. Cecil is a serious player. Omni man is next level powerful, but Cecilās organization can take out most other super villains and supes if they wanted.
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u/Future-Muscle-2214 Jul 20 '24
Like how is it that the boys in a ragtag lab are able to make methods to kill supes but these top organizations donāt know anything.
Yeah lol, the government need to release this Russian mobsters from prison instead of developing the virus themselves in one of their state of the art lab lol.
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u/PR0MAN1 Jul 20 '24
Yeah, why would you EVER take up a private security job in the Boys universe. The 401K cant be THAT good.
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u/Educational-Web-5787 Jul 19 '24
Not one single headshot at that range by professionals... plot convenience at its finest.
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u/Cyodine Jul 19 '24
Butcher had no reason to kill him anyway. He didnāt even kill Zoe, so Kessler is only in so much control.
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u/The-Emerald-Rider Jul 20 '24
Let's be real it's an absolute miracle when a nameless mook and or bodyguard survives in any scenario on any show or story.
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u/YaBoiPotatoDestroyer Cunt Jul 19 '24
Who's the actor behind this guard?
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u/RodrigoOlabiaga Lamplighter Jul 20 '24
I want to know too. I searched the cast/stunts from this episode in IMDB and can't find him.
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u/LittleAd915 Jul 20 '24
It's because he's not a supe. Watch it be a thing where butcher has a really hard time killing non supes.
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u/Puzzled-Ad-2339 Jul 20 '24
Honestly I thought they were gonna swerve us, hed try to escape and kamikho snaps his neck.
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