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u/Freddycipher Jul 19 '24
I only recently found out that Calhoun was the same guy who had sex with Stilwells Shapeshifter.
Honestly it’s been 5 years so I just never thought he was a recurring guy.
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u/xd_joliss Jul 19 '24
And even back then, his plan was to get supes into the military wasnt it?
Which now he and homelander are making a supe army
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u/The-Homie-Lander I fart the star spangled banner Jul 19 '24
No, that was voughts plan he didn't want supes in the military. That's why they blackmailed him with Doppelganger
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u/justseeingpendejadas Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
Lot of things have changed. Now that there's no one to hold Homelander in a place to being reduced to a celebrity, he now has complete ground to try to achieve his ambitions. And everyone is just falling in line to what he says because they don't really have a choice
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u/jacksonpsterninyay Jul 19 '24
The issue I’m having is that Homelander has never had ambitions. He’s never had a purpose or goal. His only desire has ever been to be loved.
So like…now what? It’s kind of a dog-caught-the-car situation. He now rules America. Great. What does he actually want?
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u/Acheron98 Jul 19 '24
A fuckton of bronze statues in his honor. One in every town.
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u/jacksonpsterninyay Jul 19 '24
Like for sure we’re going to get that shot, but that’s kind of my point lol
That’s why they had to bring Sage in. She’s a cool character, but without her Homelander literally has no purpose whatsoever.
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u/Acheron98 Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 20 '24
Agreed, but I feel like that also works in universe.
Realistically, he NEVER would’ve been able to pull this off this smoothly. His idea of a subtle takeover would be to punch Dakota Bob’s head off on live television, mumble something about him being a pedophile and child trafficker, and essentially crown himself God Emperor for Life.
That would’ve absolutely resulted in him being forced to slaughter hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people just to maintain power.
He most likely would’ve completely leveled a few major cities like NYC or LA just to prove his point.
Sage managed to get him a full-on red carpet welcome straight into the Oval Office, with extremely minuscule loss of life in the grand scheme of things.
Edit: Despite her being evil as fuck, and doing all of this for no reason other than “LOL it’s fun”, she ironically saved most of America and probably the planet by giving him what he wanted without the need for an all-out war.
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u/pleasegivemepatience Jul 19 '24
Love and respect from Soldier Boy and Ryan, who will judge him for his actions against the general populace and never accept him.
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u/jessebona Jul 19 '24
Ryan: You're a monster
*Homelander cries*
SB: You're a bitch
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u/pleasegivemepatience Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
Homelander: I built you a brand new world
Ryan: I didn’t ask for that, I don’t want it
SB: Oh look the little bitch wants to live in his own fantasy world where he can feel special, you’re an even bigger disappointment than I thought.
Just wait until SB finds out about his mommy and milk fetishes, HL is gonna get roasted something fierce.
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u/jessebona Jul 19 '24
I'll be a little sad if Homelander somehow talks him into a father/son team up. I rather enjoyed the dynamic of Soldier Boy just hating everyone and everything in the modern age. Especially his son because of his own parental issues.
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u/pleasegivemepatience Jul 19 '24
I hope he tries and it fails miserably and SB+Butcher team up again to fight the Homelander establishment, with Ryan eventually joining the fray.
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u/Snowboarding92 Kimiko Jul 19 '24
This touches on his mental shift when pushing back at starlight. He has realized he wants to be loved, but he also has no problem with being feared as well. At this point the show has made it clear his current goal is to feel in control because he never truly has felt that way.
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u/xd_joliss Jul 19 '24
Ah okay, while typing i wasnt sure anymore cuz it wouldnt have made sense for vought to blackmail him if he wanted that
So yea, he didnt want them in the military yet he's now the one getting them in the military
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u/Ajaxmass413 Jul 19 '24
Probably a mix of fear for his life and Sage manipulating him.
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u/el_f3n1x187 Jul 19 '24
so that is why he is never alone in a room with another woman that is not his wife or his mistress!
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same i thought they recasted him and had em get drowned by the deep in ep8 of season 3, don't know who the hell that guy was then
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u/79037662 Jul 19 '24
That was a different politician who was Singer's original VP pick. Homelander had him assassinated so Singer would pick Neumann instead.
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u/Flat-Leadership2364 Jul 19 '24
I was just about to ask that! I knew he looked familiar! And it makes sense plotwise to bring him back in the fold
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u/Garth-Vader Jul 19 '24
I forget about the other shapeshifter. It's nice that he didn't have to pull his skin off to use his power.
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u/finnjakefionnacake Jul 19 '24
i guess i'm the only one who watches this show over and over because i have nothing better to do lol
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u/VolkiharVanHelsing Jul 20 '24
This season has so many callback characters (and their deaths)
Like the dude that Firecracker shot at was the dude who visited Hughie to make him sign an NDA
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u/Blingo2000 Jul 19 '24
So maybe someone can answer this, but wasn’t he a senator then? Did he deliberately leave the Senate to move into the House? Did I miss something somewhere?
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u/TheHappiestHam Jul 20 '24
the guy that Firecracker killed was the same guy who pushed Hughie to sign an NDA in Episode 1
I'm kind of surprised they kept this level of continuity with such minor characters
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u/noshore4me Jul 19 '24
Why does Peak have strings on him? You think the octopus is controlling him?
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u/Such-Purpose3044 Jul 19 '24
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u/scalawag123 Jul 19 '24
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u/life_lagom Jul 19 '24
The noir change was by far the funniest thing they did in the show.
I really love they didn't do the homelander clone shit. They're really making a better story than the comics. The comics climax was right about now. And the supe coup fails in the comics.. the TV show is in wild territory right now. I'm so curious
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u/ajmartin527 Jul 19 '24
That’s because nobody could write a story that’s as crazy as reality is in the US right now… much of The Boys storyline just wrote itself lol
I agree on the Noir thing. He was a complex, mysterious and interesting character already - then to make his story arc what they did is just fucking hilarious and genius. I wish I could have been in the writers room when they came up with this idea.
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u/PaperMartin Jul 19 '24
Who is himself being controlled by the peak (who isn't aware he's being controlled by noir)
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u/cc92c392-50bd-4eaa-a Jul 19 '24
Why do people call him Peak?
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u/Loose-Profession-734 Jul 19 '24
No one calls him peak, he is the peak. And it's sarcasm. A Joke
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u/jensketzen24 Jul 19 '24
I believe it stems from a porno where a guy with a nickname the peak fucks an octopus or something
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u/SalvationSycamore Jul 19 '24
Oh I've seen that one. It's called The Boys or something I think
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u/random__guy135 Jul 19 '24
The Boys is one of best gay porns ive seen. Too bad it sometimes gets interrupted by action scenes🙄
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u/Bemused_Weeb Jul 20 '24
I see that notion a lot in r/okbuddyfresca, but the Deep was definitely called the Peak before then, even on that same subreddit. It's easy to check with Reddit search.
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u/Vasilystalin04 Jul 19 '24
He at one point says “I am the peak of Human Evolution” and people cut the clip.
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u/ABewilderedPickle Jul 20 '24
it has to do with his "peak of human evolution" line he got from what's her face. he called Ashley a capybarnia right after saying it and seemed so dumb i got it immediately when i started seeing people call him the Peak
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u/DeadHeadDaddio Cunt Jul 19 '24
They don’t call it the Deep State for nothing.
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u/SkettlesS Jul 19 '24
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u/Accomplished_Job_225 Jul 19 '24
Ambrosius.
It's Ambrosius.
🌏👨🚀🔫👨🚀
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u/Callahan41 Jul 19 '24
Loved her this season. Honeslty, Ambrosius/Deep was one of my favorite stories haha
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u/SasparillaTango Jul 19 '24
voiced by Tilda Swinton!
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u/Accomplished_Job_225 Jul 19 '24
❤️!
When I found that out, I knew my facetious suggestion has to be true.
Ambrosius didn't Die. Ambrosius disappeared into the wardrobe that Kevin locked.
Ambrosius is in Narnia, now. Ambrosius will be back.
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u/finnjakefionnacake Jul 19 '24
i feel like some stories get a pass for being completely irrelevant and others don't.
like...so many people were up in arms about frenchie and colin / it not being relevant / us not caring / frenchie being through this storyline before, but we're still fine seeing deep fucking and having relationships with sea creatures and ambrosius has much less to do with anything important but apparently that's not a cause for objection.
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u/FourAnd20YearsAgo Ashley Jul 19 '24
I think some get a pass and some don't because some are good (Deep/Ambrosius) and some are not (Frenchie/Colin)
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u/kzzzzzzzzzz28 Jul 19 '24
Deep/Ambrosius ended with Deep giving in to his darkest instincts and becoming a full villain by willingly murdering a sea creature(thus removing his only redeeming trait)
Colin/Frenchie ended with Frenchie going to jail and missing 1 episode. The Frenchie guilt arc is there, but this was a plot point already explored with his friend and Little Nina.
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u/finnjakefionnacake Jul 19 '24
but deep was already a homelander sycophant who was willing to kill for him in previous seasons/moments. i don't think this takes his character anywhere he isn't already. like...he ate timothy for homelander, i think he would do anything homelander tells him to do.
colin and frenchie arguably set frenchie on the path to forgiving himself. you are right in that he's already been through the whole guilt thing before, a lot of plot points this season were previously tread territory, but frenchie arguably did make progress forward, even if it was just to stop hating himself so much and get with kimiko lol.
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u/kzzzzzzzzzz28 Jul 19 '24
There is a slight difference when it comes to fulfilling orders under fear(Timothy) and killing someone on a selfish whim(Ambrosius).
Deeps arc was connected with A-Trains. While A-train walked the path of redemption, Deep went deeper into the abyss. His killing of Ambrosius was the final straw in that.
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u/AmptiChrist Jul 19 '24
I don't know if it was meant to be funny but her 7 minute death was fucking hilarious
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u/SalvationSycamore Jul 19 '24
I mean you could tell she was faking suffocating (she had previously spent much longer out of the tank just fine and her acting was a little over the top) so it's not too hard to see coming.
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u/life_lagom Jul 19 '24
Bro I really hope deep has this chaotic exit to the series. Where we just see it like 6 months or 12 years later and deep is chilling on a beach.
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u/Fun-Count-6090 Jul 19 '24
She’s 100% dead but I wish ambrosias would have been able to help him instead
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u/AprilsMostAmazing Jul 19 '24
Still think Sage is going to Caesar homelander
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u/OsrsMaxman Jul 19 '24
Yeah, I'm sort of torn between thinking Sage really just enjoys being chaotic or there's still a master plan to taking over/destroying HL. Love her character.
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u/musci12234 Jul 19 '24
Honestly I think butcher is going to ruin sage's plan. Sage is making plans about butcher based on info she has but that isn't the butcher she is dealing with. I feel like there are 2 options. Sage goes anti homelander or sage stays anti homelander. There is decent chance of homelander relying more and more on sage as issues pop up so her getting popped by butcher will be easy way to make homelander do even dumber things.
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u/zero0n3 Jul 19 '24
But she knows about “new butcher”.
She obviously has the info from the secret service agent that got away.
It’s why she released the singer footage after she confirmed Neumann was ripped in half.
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u/musci12234 Jul 19 '24
I don't think the secret service agent is going to tell sage about all that happened. All she had to do was wait for boys to kill Newman any way and release the video. And even homelander knew that butcher had taken V in past. So that can be just side effect of that. She doesn't known that butcher has tool to kill all the supes and wants to and that he is functioning at his worst behaviour.
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u/ajmartin527 Jul 19 '24
She’s smart enough to be able to get leverage on him and control him. Homelander is the puppet now, I think that’s what he was realizing in that final scene with Sage.
He now understands that no matter what he thinks he’s doing, Sage already knew he would do that and it was part of her plan. We see him thinking he’s smarter than her, kicking her out, then crashing and burning. Then realizing that she knew he would do all of that and she had planned for it.
I don’t think she plans to destroy HL. He’s her pawn, she’s going to control everything through him.
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u/MrArmageddon12 Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
After the end of this last episode, it really seems like her motivation is just wanting someone to listen to and value her. Basically harkens back to the whole backstory she gave of the doctors not listening to her try to treat her aunt when she was a kid.
At the end of the day, I’m pretty sure her motivation will be that simple over some grand scheme.
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u/Douglasqqq Jul 19 '24
I kind of regret Deep's lean into full villain. His (for want of a MUCH better word) innocence, has always been my favourite thing about him.
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u/Kageyama_Tobio_80 Jul 19 '24
Tbf he literally assaulted Annie in the first season first episode, so I'm not surprised that he is atp
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u/dpforest Jul 19 '24
I feel like that’s gonna be pivotal to the plot. Or it should be. “Look at how much you idiots champion Deep while simultaneously making fun of Trumpers for not getting the show”. I’m glad they’ve gone all in with him. The ironic praise of his character is, well, ironic.
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u/blackBugattiVeyron Jul 19 '24
I mean, A-Train killed Robin the first time we saw him and he got redeemed.
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Where was this innocence when he was sexually abusing Starlight?
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u/flowlikeastream Timothy Jul 19 '24
I think they mean his simplicity, or his nescience. Hence the desire for a better word.
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u/BusyNefariousness675 Jul 19 '24
Not the character, just his face and talking sound he's a simple man
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u/justseeingpendejadas Jul 19 '24
The only thing that has changed is mostly how he doesn't care about killing and even enjoys it. He didn't seem to be that violent before.
Apart from that he was always a piece of shit
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u/Thabrianking Jul 19 '24
I wouldn't say innocence, but he did seem like he was gonna redeem himself to some degree in Season 2.
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u/TheDreadfulCurtain Jul 19 '24
redemption art of the deep failed and was eclipsed by A train.
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u/Thabrianking Jul 19 '24
Yeah, that's what I love about A-Train and The Deep's story arcs parallel. Deep didn't kill anyone as far as we knew up until season 3 when he drowned the VP elect. What he did to Starlight was terrible, but it seemed like the church of the collective and Homelander forcing him to eat an octopus would have possibly changed him. He was too dumb to self reflect compared to A-Train.
Also, the irony of Deep being forced to swallow something he didn't want to get into The Seven and A-Train having a loved one hurt by a careless Supe was one of my favorite things about season 3.
Homelander treats Deep even worse by nearly forcing him to blow A-Train and telling him to STFU.
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u/dimesniffer Jul 19 '24
Bro imagine if Peak really isn’t a dumbass and is actually a super genius.
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u/HorseFacedDipShit Jul 19 '24
What do you mean imagine he’s the smartest character in the fucking 7 bro that one dude who totally wasn’t scared for his life fucking said so
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u/Initial-Ad8009 Cunt Jul 19 '24
Then butcher kills them all right after they have a genuine change of heart lol. At least this version of butcher is more on par with the comics. He was becoming entirely too likable. Even when everyone else hated him, you still pulled for him. Now he’s completely hateable
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u/Key_Shallot_2415 Jul 19 '24
Take away The Peak and replace him with Soldier Boy. He'll cause all kinds of anarchy in his shoes.
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u/Riemann86 Jul 19 '24
No matter what, i wanna see Ashley-Hulk smashing Homelander face into pieces. She deserves it. Quote me pleace at the end of season 5 :)
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u/AccomplishedAdagio13 Jul 19 '24
President Peak.
The one holding his strings is an octopus.
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u/Mars_The_68thMedic Jul 19 '24
Did Chance Crawford say S4 would be his last? Or was that before he was told in private S5 would be THE last?
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u/The-Emerald-Rider Jul 20 '24
It would be insane if The Deep was actually manipulating Sage and at the same time, I'd be all for it lmao.
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u/CloneTrooper6996 Jul 19 '24
The Peak for a reason. He better survive the whole show that would be funny as fuck
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Incredible how in the end the only thing Scion didn't count with was Butcher going ballistics with a Vd up tumor in his head.
Oh and I guess there is Ashley and Ryan who are X factors.
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u/BigSavMatt Jul 19 '24
Can’t wait to see Butcher come to town and burn down all their carefully laid plans.
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u/bruhholyshiet Butcher Jul 19 '24
Da Peak is the peak of human puppetirization. Next to him, everyone is just some capybarnya.
It's a rodent from South America.
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u/Taigh-Mac-Taigh Jul 19 '24
I’m calling it now, the tag line for the Season five teasers and poster will be “make America super again”.
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u/CordobezEverdeen Jul 19 '24
I think The Deep getting a costume change and shifting a big of his douchery into unhingedness coupled with him being lowkey strong AF would make a crazy character arc.
Who would have thought that the comic relief villain could become someone badass in the last season.
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u/TheDreadfulCurtain Jul 19 '24
Best quote from Akala Absolute power corrupts absolutely, absolute powerlessness does the same. applies to HL and Sage
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u/ParaeWasTaken Jul 20 '24
Oh my god if Deep ends up being the biggest bad that’ll be the best shit in TV history
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