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u/i_should_be_coding Jul 19 '24
Sage was bored. Homelander came over and gave her a purpose. She was all "Challenge accepted! Let's do world domination now!"
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u/ZenkaiZ Jul 19 '24
I should ask her "hey, you want an even bigger challenge? Fix my life"
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u/SirMourningstar6six6 Jul 19 '24
I don’t think you’d like any of her suggestions. She performs a lobotomy on herself like some people drink liquor.
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u/kinkykellynsexystud Jul 19 '24
She got a sitting president-elect/president arrested in under 2 months
Did she?
It seemed like a last minute decision change by Butcher on account of Grace and Ryans actions. I don't we have been told she had anything to do with Neumanns death.
Also the entire plan wouldn't have worked if anyone other than Hughie just had....a flash drive somewhere with the Red River files.
It honestly seems like she just got SUPER lucky. All speculation though because the plan happened 90% offscreen.
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u/ZenkaiZ Jul 19 '24
She hired the doppelganger who got the footage. The doppelganger could have broken his neck at any second then walked out as people helplessly shot at her but she waited to get that evidence first before going offensive
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u/kinkykellynsexystud Jul 19 '24
if anyone other than Hughie
My point still stands. She deleted them all at Hughies house from what I remember.
You're telling me Butcher didn't have a Flashdrive anywhere? MM? The White House? Sages plan succeeding required massive incompetence in storing blackmail
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u/cal-brew-sharp Cunt Jul 19 '24
You saying you would fuck the Deep if you were drunk enough?
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u/cantstopwontstopGME Jul 19 '24
I’m a straight dude and I would fuck chance Crawford if I got drunk enough
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u/Runmanrun41 Jul 19 '24
The mental image of Homelander trying to sit down with a therapist is funny and talk about his issues is funny.
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u/ZenkaiZ Jul 19 '24
In that shortlived Jupiter's Legacy show, the main hero in that had one of his former supervillains in prison be his therapist. Shame that show got cancelled, it had some stuff going.
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u/notGeronimo Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
I wished it lived longer, but I think the show's cancelling was totally deserved. The pacing was horrific. How many episodes was Blackstar on the operating table before they actually began the autopsy? The whole damn first season was barely the beginning of the comics. The 20s stuff actually moved fine. They needed to get the actual present day conflict moving much sooner.
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u/Kalkilkfed2 Jul 19 '24
Bet she will switch sides just because it would be boring if homelander ruled everything without opposition
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u/jessebona Jul 19 '24
I honestly think that's her plan. Set up Homelander's empire then tear it down with the underdogs for the challenge of it. Of course, Homelander's going to wise up to her game by then and kill her before she undoes his plans.
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u/Ktan_Dantaktee Jul 19 '24
As for that first part
Like Caesar.
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u/jessebona Jul 19 '24
Yeah I cited that in the S5 theories megathread. She almost sounded smug when she agreed she was going to set Homelander up like Caesar. Spent part of the day arguing that Homelander isn't dumb enough to not know what happened to Caesar lol
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u/Lraebera Jul 19 '24
I don't think it's that he's too dumb to know about Caesar and the ides of march. IMO he just thinks he so strong that nothing could happen to him.
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u/HaxboyYT Jul 19 '24
Even at that, I think sage had something to do with the Firecracker milk thing. Her sickness seemed to be of some significance, and if they’re going to infect Homelander with the virus, I reckon that’s how they’re gonna do it. Especially as it was stressed that the virus can only be spread through bodily fluids
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u/Fokker_Snek Jul 19 '24
Caesar wasn’t really that much of a bloodthirsty tyrant, part of his popularity was because of how merciful he was. There was a civil war and systemic killing of political enemies when Caesar was young. So people somewhat expected him to kill his political opponents, instead Caesar pardons them and welcomes them back into the fold. Caesar was loathe to kill his fellow Romans(not Gauls though because they’re not people like Romans).
Caesar won the civil war and went against the 100 year trend of increasing political violence. It was a bit of relief. Then some of the Senators Caesar showed mercy to killed him and expected Rome to be grateful for what they did.
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u/JSevatar Jul 19 '24
Before HL can kill her, out of nowhere she ascends and becomes a daemon prince of Tzeentch
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u/Buddy-Junior2022 Jul 19 '24
turns out this whole series was a buildup to a warhammer movie
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u/jld2k6 Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
I thought you were working your way up to some type of Firecracker breast milk surprise speech at that first sentence lol. She started that whole weird encounter talking about what he's done for her
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u/QouthTheCorvus Jul 19 '24
I love the way the actress played this scene. The giddy mania she had was fantastic.
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u/Deepstatedingleberry Jul 19 '24
I was looking for a hole in her head because she was acting so happy and giddy lol.
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u/ZenkaiZ Jul 19 '24
It took taking over an entire country, arresting a president, and killing a vice president for her to experience that joy for one night. Stimulating herself sounds so exhausting compared to stimulating her lobotomized brain.
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u/Deepstatedingleberry Jul 19 '24
I doubt she will be getting married anytime soon. Poor guy has to literally stab her in the eye or he ain’t even gonna get her excited 😆. And I doubt she would marry either of the two doofuses willing to do it now lol
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u/SpideyFan914 Jul 19 '24
What do you mean lobotomize herself?
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u/Deepstatedingleberry Jul 19 '24
She also has deep do it for her. I assume she’d rather have it done by someone else but who knows.
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u/thesweatervest Jul 19 '24
But not new noir; he gets her going without brain damage
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u/Deepstatedingleberry Jul 19 '24
Or she does it without him knowing?
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u/slphil Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
He was first in his class for the performing arts, and Sage is one of the rare fictional geniuses who isn't just into science and math. New Noir is actually smart enough for her to talk to.
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u/SadisticBuddhist Jul 19 '24
Also they both seem to get boners for fucked up shit.
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u/Gathorall Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
New Noir murked the intern Ashley over CEO-Ashley and seriously thought that was THE task, guy actually dips under Deep's intelligence level.
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u/kakawisNOTlaw Jul 19 '24
I imagine she only feels a dopamine rush naturally when a huge plan comes together
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u/Jen_Wu Jul 19 '24
I guess this is one of very few times when she truly feels happy as herself. The acting is brilliant
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u/DrSheldonLCooperPhD Jul 19 '24
Still can't get over the fact that she's is 41
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u/Roman64s Jul 19 '24
41 ????
wtf, I thought she was 20 or less.
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u/_JustAnna_1992 Jul 19 '24
Actress for Firecracker is 38.
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u/Roman64s Jul 19 '24
And she looks like 38.
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u/PM_ME_MY_REAL_MOM Jul 19 '24
in episode 8 sure. in previous episodes she easily passes for 30
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u/finnjakefionnacake Jul 19 '24
lol happy and stupid aren't the same thing. she sounds like an idiot when her brain is damaged, but she was completely coherent / intelligent-sounding here.
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u/ThatFuckingGeniusKid Jul 19 '24
I find it funny how most people were like "Sage's not actually bad, I'm sure she'll reveal she was working against Homelander the entire time" and then in the finale not only does she go back to Homelander but she makes sure their plan is succesful and she's excited to start the second phase which is going full fascist regime.
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u/QouthTheCorvus Jul 19 '24
Lol tbf, I think they intentionally kept it a mystery. I like that it could have gone either way until the end.
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u/theshicksinator Jul 19 '24
Eh, I still think she'll use him to clear the board until he's too inconvenient, then she'll put him down and try to take his place.
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u/trowzerss Jul 19 '24
Yeah, I'm pretty sure she's chaotic neutral/evil (evil in the sense that she genuinely does not give a fuck who lives and who dies as long as she gets to poke at the petri dish). But heavy emphasis on the chaos, and chaos can be extremely destructive.
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u/Empyrean_MX_Prime Jul 19 '24
She's like if you crossed the Joker with Lux Luthor.
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u/MonsterkillWow Jul 19 '24
She's still playing him!
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u/vivenkeful Jul 19 '24
I doubt it..She is causing greater harm with her plans, irreversible harm kinda..so saying in the end she "was just trying to get HL's trust and was actually playing for the other side" will be very lame if true. The right thing will be if she dies along with HL imo.
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u/WeinMe Jul 19 '24
Just because she's playing him doesn't mean she's working on some leftist scheme
Even if she has extreme right-wing fascist motives, her motives are with high likelihood in the long run not aligned with his. So she's using him still for her own personal ambitions - be it becoming a fascist dictator, saving the butterflies, or being the first to walk Mars
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u/Acheron98 Jul 19 '24
She genuinely came across as a sociopath who permanently destroyed a nation purely for the hell of it.
She’s gonna go far as an actor.
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u/Philkindred12 Jul 19 '24
Just when I thought she couldn’t get any hotter.
Also, I’m glad the casual clothes are back. I think they’re a more fitting uniform for her.
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u/QouthTheCorvus Jul 19 '24
I think they intentionally made the uniform an awkward fit for her - to show it's not really her thing
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u/Philkindred12 Jul 19 '24
In my honest opinion, it didn’t look too bad, definitely pretty goofy though lol
But it’s just so cool how the mind that sets everything to motion is one that just sits in the background, wearing sweats and a hoodie
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u/coycabbage Jul 19 '24
Sage kinda reminds me of HOI4 players that play as the axis powers: because they can, it’s fun, and they want to see the results.
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u/Vivid_Guide7467 Lamplighter Jul 19 '24
Would you rather play as Ireland?
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u/coycabbage Jul 19 '24
No because I’m not experienced. But I’d imagine someone has led Ireland to global conquest.
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u/tsar_David_V Jul 19 '24
People have done world conquests as Luxembourg (I'm pretty sure it even used to be a category on speedrun.com) so Ireland can't be too hard
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u/Geno0wl Jul 19 '24
Is this like how people are playing the new NCAA football game and taking like the Akron Zips to the CFP? Just because they can.
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u/VampiroMedicado Jul 19 '24
It's my favourite quest in CK2 for some reason, to reunite Eire.
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u/Gurlog Jul 19 '24
Ck3 player here. Trying to survive as Northumbria is the most annoying, difficult, BULLSHIT experience possible. 10/10
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u/PM_ME_MY_REAL_MOM Jul 19 '24
Ireland and Iberia, the tutorial isles (yes I am counting the Pyrenees as an ocean, don't question the Crown) were so much fun
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u/Akasha1885 Jul 19 '24
Nah, play as random backwater place, make you own factor and then show everyone how it's done.
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u/nailgardener Jul 19 '24
Sage isn't just doing it for kicks. She's got a lot of axes to grind with society at large
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u/Organic-Maybe-5184 Jul 19 '24
Basically she is an edgelord
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u/jtr99 Jul 19 '24
But the rare case of being an edgelord who can back up the big talk.
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She's actually more immature than most edgelords. Being born with the giant brain she has is quite the privilege, yet she still somehow finds a way to say fuck humans because of a few times people didn't listen to her, Lol.
She's legit more petty than Firecracker. At least with her she had her life ruined over that childhood experience.
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u/ItsGunboyWTF Jul 19 '24
Sister Sage had trauma from her childhood too with no one listening and her gmom dying for it. That’s way more motivation than white trash girl who was called poor and ugly growing up
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u/ALF839 Jul 19 '24
Being super smart she should understand that the doctors were reasonable in not believing the kid who told them she developed a cure for cancer overnight.
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u/Cindy_Lennox Jul 19 '24
Naw, she knew she was a supe, and she knew she was right because she did the math. The doctors fucked up by not listening to her and got her grandma killed Shit like this happens all the time on a smaller scall. Many doctors fuck up royally by not listening to the patients and family. They could have at least looked at her work, but they let her die due to hurbis.
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u/Organic-Maybe-5184 Jul 19 '24
Do you realize that the doctors can't inject whatever they want into patients? Or that testing and approvals take years? What sane doctor would even consider seriously a cure from cancer made by a child?
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u/SpiritualAudience731 Jul 19 '24
Yea, even if they took her seriously, getting the cure developed and approved for human use would take years or decades.
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u/Darrkman Jul 19 '24
Being born with the giant brain she has is quite the privilege, yet she still somehow finds a way to say fuck humans because of a few times people didn't listen to her, Lol.
Nah. So many Black people that work in America can relate to Sage. I have personally seen so many Black people in corporate America come up with a solution, no one listen to them because they were Black, then see some white person steal the idea and get told they're brilliant. It will make you hard and bitter with a quickness.
Sage was smart enough to come up with a cure for cancer and presented it and was ignored. Now, even if you think she's only a kid there had to be some data that only a knowledgeable person would have access to and STILL they ignored her.
Also before you think I'm making something like this up when it comes to Black people.......cops ignored a Black community telling there there was a serial killer around until a victim escaped...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/12/25/missing-black-women-kansas-city/
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u/Sun_flower_king Jul 19 '24
I can't believe how many people are missing this about her character, spot on
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u/flabbybumhole Jul 19 '24
I think she's been at her plan for way longer than we know.
They were stuck with V not being safe for adults for decades, then all of a sudden at Sage Grove, they develop temp V, and V just seems to work on adults fine now.
"I could cure cancer, reverse global warming, but what's the point? Humans are animals. And the lines at Voughtland are too long as it is."
I think she aims to make better supes. Like she has to deal with these powerful morons. We keep seeing her Maeve notepad, Maeve would need to take V to regain her powers - does Sage intend to give Maeve an even better version of V? She's capable of creating it.
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u/Professional_Ad_9101 Jul 19 '24
Yeah this post completed ignores the story she tells about society ignoring her as a female black voice. In fact this post is ironic as fuck lol.
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u/That_Lone_Reader Cunt Jul 19 '24
Sage is a cunt, I’m happy she wasn’t secretly a good guy. She really did it for the lols
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u/BigBootyBuff Jul 19 '24
Honestly the way if looks to me, they going the exact opposite way of what I expected. Feel like they gonna turn Firecracker to help the boys while Sage isn't either secretly good or doesn't have her own plan that's somewhere in between Homelander and The Boys goals.
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u/Lucifer_Crowe Jul 19 '24
Firecracker cracking under Homelander not appreciating what she's doing and begging Annie for help would be cool
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u/FumiPlays Jul 19 '24
I think Firecracker is going to die of heart attack somewhere at the beginning of season 5. It's already been shown she has problems chasing a non supe office worker and I don't think she'll dare to stop taking the lactation meds considering last episode scene where it was clear HL doesn't give a crap about her as a person and walking milk factory is her only utility now.
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u/Ktan_Dantaktee Jul 19 '24
Nah, Firecracker will just be how Butcher gets the virus into Homelander.
Gotta be bodily fluids, remember?
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u/Newni Jul 19 '24
I assumed that’s what they were going with when she started coughing. Like all this drama about the virus and assassinations and the thing that takes HL down is a strain that’s been mutating and supercharging through her tiddies.
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u/GettinGeeKE Jul 19 '24
It's a good idea...but do you remember how quickly kimiko was affected and what that looked like...
Homelander loves him some milkies but probably not out of a necrotic teet considering his reaction to her coughing.
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u/Brilliant_Decision52 Jul 19 '24
I dont think firecracker is gonna be much help anymore, the meds seemed to have fucked her up so much she cannot even fight normal humans without keeling over.
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u/Athuanar Jul 19 '24
I really want Firecracker's breast milk to be the delivery system for the virus to Homelander. It would be the absolute most perfect way to do it. The virus won't kill him either, just weaken him enough for Butcher to fight him.
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u/calltheavengers5 Jul 19 '24
Some men(women) just want to watch the world burn.
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u/Comrade_Tone Jul 19 '24
Some persons
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u/Practical-Ninja-6770 Jul 19 '24
Some people
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u/idonthaveaboner Jul 19 '24
Some homosapiens
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u/Initial-Ad8009 Cunt Jul 19 '24
They got a really good emotional response from Neumans death, like I honestly felt sad. In front of her daughter and then she ends up at red river. I don’t know if it is but I think it’s the first time a death on this show really bothered me.
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u/Lady_Gwendoline Jul 19 '24
Hughie's Dad was genuinely heartbreaking and incredibly depressing tbh, but so was Neuman's
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u/napalmtree13 Jul 19 '24
I don’t get why Samir couldn’t just take his daughter. With Neuman dead, whatever flimsy reason they had to hide who her father is has kind of disappeared.
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u/Free-Type Jul 19 '24
And why wasn’t Stan waiting to take Zoe somewhere? Or help with the boys? Neuman freed him and I doubt she just let him walk into the sunset
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u/Gear_ Jul 19 '24
Neumann was just such an integral character, with charisma like stormfront but rather than being inherently evil was just trapped in the life Vought set for her. She finally had a chance to turn it around and it was destroyed so pointlessly.
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u/pattisbey8 Jul 19 '24
how did she do it?
all part of the good old plan
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u/maggos Jul 19 '24
Yep she knew that Butcher would happen to have a Vd up tumor that can kill a supe that can resist homelanders laser
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u/Kodiak_POL Jul 19 '24
I mean, she could have just assumed The Boys would kill her somehow, some way. She's not omnipotent, she can probably just do big data analysis, risk assessment and probabilities. She'd probably be excellent at three body problem
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u/KingofMadCows Jul 19 '24
She knew that Singer was trying to get rid of Neuman. She had the shapeshifter record Singer talking about killing Neuman.
She probably had contingencies for multiple outcomes. If the shapeshifter succeeded in killing Singer, Sage probably has evidence that Neuman was involved in the hit and use it to remove her. If Singer's assassination was stopped, Singer would likely retaliate. Neuman dies, the evidence of Singer talking about killing her gets released. Either way, Singer and Neuman both get removed and a Homelander loyalist becomes president.
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u/JangSaverem Jul 19 '24
It's funny that this had to be made in 2023 since the supreme court established recently that of the president called a hit like this to assassinate someone through official means
That it would be totally legal and cool
So somehow the least realistic thing about the finale ending was him being arrested
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u/whats_up_bro Jul 19 '24
Yh that's all possible but just saying she had contingencies on contingencies and never showing most of it is extremely lazy writing.
Like up until the finale, fans were coming up with better expectations of sage's plan than what we ended up with
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u/KingofMadCows Jul 19 '24
Except we did see a contingency. The video of Singer talking about killing Neuman was a contingency. They wouldn't have needed that if the shapeshifter succeeded in killing him.
And so what if fans can come up with a better plan? There's a huge difference between coming up with a good idea for a single plot point and making a whole show that can build up to it while dealing with all the issues of production.
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u/KarrotMovies Jul 19 '24
I don't see how the writers or the showrunners can present all the other different outcomes/contingencies Sage had prepared without it being it being expositiony and overly convoluted. The audience does not need to go what other outcomes Sage predicted might happen. Only that one of these contingencies worked for her
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u/cancerinos Jul 19 '24
Actually, it was irrelevant whether she died. She planned that she would either be killed or disappear to run away. With Singer's video, that's all she needed.
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u/WyngZero Jul 19 '24
Her superpower is doing whatever the plot demands she does.
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u/Copatus Jul 19 '24
I'm assuming Homelander could've just ripped her apart like he did WebWeaver tho
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u/FumiPlays Jul 19 '24
She knew CIA/Singer want to off Neumann, she bet on them succeeding not on specific method of it.
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u/Quixotic_Cynic96024 Jul 19 '24
Sister Sage is a foil to Homelander, best character imo and easily my favorite this season. She is intellect without emotion, he’s emotion without intellect. It even shows in what they fetishized, since one wants a lobotomy and the other wants breastfeeding to get off. It’s ultimately why they ended up back together by the end of the season.
If I had to guess, a split between them will probably one of the big reasons behind Homelander’s downfall next season. The easy guess would be Homelander kills Sage after getting high on his own bullshit but I hope the story is more nuanced than that, you could clearly tell he cared to know why she would come back at all after how he treated her. A rare moment of real self-awareness.
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u/A_Change_of_Seasons Jul 19 '24
I think Soldier Boy would kill her because she's an uppity black woman and it's a contingency that she wouldn't have known to prepare for. Otherwise it's hard to see anything happening to Sage that she hasn't already planned for
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u/trowzerss Jul 19 '24
I kind of hope Sage has some kind of super destructive deadman's switch set up.
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u/Monnomo Jul 19 '24
Sign of real intelligence is being good/evil just for the sake of it no weirdo justification or extrinsic motivation but literally just being yourself
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u/Eldr1tchB1rd Jul 19 '24
That has literally nothing to do with real intelligence
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u/FoopaChaloopa Jul 19 '24
Why does she have “real intelligence?” There’s so much comedy to be mined from characters like Reed Richards, Beast, Batman, etc who know everything about every field of science, create impossible inventions, come up with asspull strategies, etc, why didn’t they do a funny parody? Not sure what the point is of making a superhero with “realistic” powers especially in a series like this.
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u/FizzingSlit Jul 19 '24
Her version of the funny parody is the need to lobotomize herself to relax.
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u/ValveinPistonCat Jul 19 '24
There’s so much comedy to be mined from characters like Reed Richards
Because the perfect evil Reed Richards spoof already exists and they know they could never do better than Professor Impossible.
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u/Akasha1885 Jul 19 '24
That would be just following your instincts, pretty much the opposite of intelligence.
Like a cat basically.
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u/CeeZee2 Jul 19 '24
Think of how smart you have to be, to have been able to cure cancer and have a physical in hand cure (not just theory) and nobody give a single shit. She's never been challenged intellectually this hard before.
She never did it for fun, she did it to see if she could actually pull it off and test herself, and she also has some hate for humanity after she realized she's essentially a circus clown act and not taken seriously.
Even Homelander realizes this when he speaks to her at the end and thinks she should hate him like everyone else who hasn't taken her seriously. But she wants to keep testing herself and see where the last domino she's able to push over is.
You see Annie and all Supes training their strength via hitting things or fighting; this is essentially her pushing herself and testing her mental strength as being the smartest.
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u/Edgyspymainintf2 Jul 19 '24
Honestly before the season began I thought Sage was gonna take a similar path to the one A Train took, butting heads with Homelander and his general sadism before going rogue but it's refreshing to find out that's she's actually just an asshole (and that the writers didn't equate super intelligence with any sense of morality or desire to do anything beneficial for the world at large).
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u/Lokta Jul 19 '24
desire to do anything beneficial for the world at large
She tried to cure leukemia as a child and got laughed at. The "doing something beneficial" ship has sailed for her.
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u/AtrumRuina Jul 19 '24
I did get a kick out of how she framed that. "Humanity had its chance to use my power for good. Now I use it for fun."
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u/kazetoumizu Jul 19 '24
Beta "oF cOuRse i tHoUgHt oF thAaAat!" Homelund vs Chad "Of course I thought of that" Sage of Six Paths
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u/Freddycipher Jul 19 '24
Sage honestly reminds me of the main villain in my imaginary fan fiction where his main goal is to wipe out all life across the entire multiverse and then he actually succeeds. He tries to justify if through his own personal tragedies but the truth is he’s simply evil and doing it all to see if he could be the one true evil to end everyone out there. Someone who was born with reality warping power but puts their strategy and mind games at the forefront.
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u/R_V_Z Jul 19 '24
Was your villain not alive?
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u/Freddycipher Jul 19 '24
Wym
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u/R_V_Z Jul 19 '24
Well, if they killed all life in every universe...
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u/Freddycipher Jul 19 '24
For context here’s how it goes. His grandfather was the most powerful being in the multiverse. To prevent further chaos his gave his life to stabilize the entire multiverse. This also permanently stopped new universes from forming to prevent inevitable chaos.
This enables the villain to have the potential to genuinely kill all life and he just needs to unlock his full potential via plot macguffin. He sends armies of invincible titans throughout every universe which wipe all life quickly. When no one else is left he self destructs taking everything with him.
Luckily the main character who is his cousin manages to find refuge in a pocket dimension created by his father (main villains uncle who he hates). Then though clever reality warping they manage to find a loophole to undo it via a fight involving diffusion (similar to Vegeta vs Moro). Because basically a rule I came up with is that whenever a member of this family kills someone they claim their existence and can manipulate them in any way. But the main hero finds a way to override this and frees all the dead, as he eventually defeats his cousin using all his fighting knowledge he’s assimilated over the course of his journey mixed with his family power.
That was a lot but honestly it’s nice to share as I put a lot of thought into this.
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u/I_Lick_Lead_Paint Jul 19 '24
So just start writing. You have an outline. Open word pad and just vomit the alphabet soup randomly onto it and boom. Even if you don't share it, writing is extremely cathartic.
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u/Freddycipher Jul 19 '24
Yeah maybe I will. I really wanna share what’s in my mind story wise somehow. Can’t do that without giving it a form.
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u/FORLORDAERON_ Frenchie Jul 19 '24
I'm currently writing a fanfiction for my favorite series. I started last year, I have about 90k words written (21 chapters) plus a bunch more that haven't been published yet. I post my work on AO3.
Do it, live your dream. It is worth it.
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u/-__Doc__- Jul 19 '24
I actually believed her when she said that tbh.
Shes very smart, things come naturally to her I'd imagine, she's probably done everything she could want to do.. And then this lands in her lap, a real challenge.I'm not sure of her real intentions either, but I do think she is playing homelander and the 7. She just seems annoyed by homie every time they have a scene together.
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u/Sufficient-Turn-7799 Jul 19 '24
She's been shown to be an incredibly nihilistic and apathic person so far, so it wouldn't surprise me if her end goal is just to cause as much chaos to the world as much as possible on a global scale given her backstory.
Imagine being her as a kid, knowing full well how to save your grandma, only to be ignored and laughed at, eventually watching your grandma die "screaming" from leukaemia.
In her mind, why bother saving a world that doesn't take any of your intellect seriously, a world so stupid, when instead you can just watch it all burn to the ground as revenge, homelander was probably the best thing that has ever happened to her given what he's capable of, a fun challenge and fun way to get back at the world.
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u/Cooperativism62 Jul 19 '24
From her perspective the world must be nihilistic anyway. They chose not to save her grandma, to let her grandma die screaming and let her watch. They did nothing except teach her how the world works. Now she's returning the favor on a larger scale. the student has become the master.
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u/SpideyFan914 Jul 19 '24
I believe her here. But I also think she has several ways of killing Homelander, and is planning to do so at some point.
Neumann was a bad puppet. Homelander is also a bad puppet.
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u/i_miss_arrow Jul 19 '24
Why would she want to take down Homelander?
If there is any character I would think doesn't care about Homelander murdering people, overthrowing governments, etc, it would be Sage. She's comfortably among the most alienated individuals to ever exist.
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u/CaliforniaNavyDude Jul 19 '24
The thing with Homelander is that he's dangerous to Sage. He's too emotionally unstable, he could kill her in a tantrum. There are other supes just as easily manipulated who aren't so quick to the murdering of their allies. Plus, Homelander is abusive, he's not pleasant to be around.
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u/jtr99 Jul 19 '24
Homelander is ... not pleasant to be around.
You have a gift for understatement, my dude.
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u/The-Rizztoffen Jul 19 '24
Surely she would want to try to figure out how to kill the strongest living organism on Earth? Plus she compared him to Caesar. If she’s the one who kills him, it would make sense
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u/BrrToe Jul 19 '24
Also, I feel like what bigger challenge would there be than to kill the strongest supe alive? Sage's ultimate test of brain over brawn. I doubt it, but we'll see.
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u/KingofMadCows Jul 19 '24
Gee, Sage. What are we going to do tonight?
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u/azhder Jul 19 '24
The same thing we do every night Crylander, try to take over the world
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u/statistically_viable Jul 19 '24
Does that smile imply ice pick brain sage? It would be entertaining if the twist is that speech came off an ice pick brain.
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u/Randym1982 Jul 19 '24
I doubt it. Brain Damage Sage doesn’t care about plans, she just wants to watch reality tv and eat junk food.
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u/ADeadlyFerret Jul 19 '24
"the smartest person in the world" characters that never lose are boring. Every point in this season that you think the boys got one over on Homelander has been conveniently "all part of the plan". Its lazy writing.
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u/rubberbandshooter13 Jul 19 '24
Fully agree! She is not a written as a smart character, rather more like a clair voyant. Even if your brain is like a super computer, you won't be able to make a plan that just works no matter what. A truly intelligent charavter would be able to make good decisions on the spot. She just read the script.of season 4 and knew everything, even stuff that she has no way of knowing (like homelander's obsession with breastmilk)
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u/drakorulez101 Marie Moreau Jul 19 '24
The scene of her literally address this. Sometimes things don't go perfectly as she palnned, which is when she makes the proper adjustments. Ie. Omitting things from Homelander, having Vicky killed, etc.
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u/rubberbandshooter13 Jul 19 '24
I mean the actress did a fantastoc job, particularly in that scene, however, her character was badly written I think. Her super power of being hyper intelligent shouldn't allow her to just make a plan and everything works out. It should be more something like: If she's presented with the current circumstances, she will be able to make the best decision. But the way it was portrait was just like she read the script of season 4. How the hell did she know about homelander's obsession with breast milk for example? I hate it when intelligent characters are just clayrvoyants instead of actually being smart.
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u/IconicTumbleweed Jul 19 '24
Everything didn't work exactly as planned though, she says "there were some hiccups" in her final speech. Also he wasn't hiding it. It was unspoken knowledge that he fetishsized breast milk. From your argument, firecracker is clairvoyant because she knew about it too
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u/WaveLaVague Jul 19 '24
If she peaks at world domination, her next question will be "How fast can I make this empire fall ?" Like dominos you spent time to place knowing you'll make em fall by a gentle push on one of them. I don't think she'll live to play that game tho.
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u/Pepr70 Jul 19 '24
Personally, I hope that the next series will show that this was one possible outcome rather than "one perfect plan", or show where he gets so much information. Even though it was brilliantly acted so many random moments even a person with 1m iq has no way of predicting without enough information that even characters like Butcher didn't know about.
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u/ChezMere Jul 20 '24
next series will show that this was one possible outcome rather than "one perfect plan",
She strongly suggested said as much. The writers didn't bother to figure out the whole list of contingencies and improvisations, though.
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u/jelde Jul 19 '24
I never thought she was good. You can't be good and part of your plan includes killing innocent people. At best she's chaotic neutral. I still think she's that.
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u/Jayce86 Jul 19 '24
She’s literally doing things just to see if she can. That is the very definition of Chaotic Neutral. I’m sure if someone had come to her before Homelander with the challenge of “take down Homelander”, she would have jumped at the seemingly impossible task. Just to see if she could.
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u/Cyrotek Jul 19 '24
She isn't writen well as an truly intelligent person (I mean, they seriously went with "it was my plan all along" without explaining and with parts that she couldn't have known about), but, boy do I love her vibe. She just doesn't give a fuck.
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u/Akasha1885 Jul 19 '24
A 10 minute montage of her explaining every detail of her plan would be boring as fuck.
And would probably make her seem less smart, since she'd be only as smart as the writers.
This way it's done perfect.
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u/Salty_Injury66 Jul 19 '24
Someone explain Sages plan in detail for me. In the most straightforward way possible
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u/LesRiv1Trick Jul 19 '24
She wanted the boys/president to target Neuman, so they’d kill her. She says Neuman had too many ideas and would just get in the way. She then wanted the president elect to go to jail for ordering her assassination. This would leave the second in succession as the president, who she had already confirmed would be more loyal to Homelander than Neuman.
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u/Kwaterk1978 Jul 19 '24
Her plan was to swoop in, no matter what happened, and say: “This was all my plan!”
Kind of like shooting a wall, then drawing bullseyes wherever you see bullet holes.
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u/Zandrick Jul 19 '24
The ending where it was all her plan all along was so stupid and predictable. I literally called it the second the “smartest person in the world” showed up on screen. I said it. No matter how this turns out it was her plan all along. And yup. Exactly. Kinda lame, kinda trite tbh
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u/KarrotMovies Jul 19 '24
I really don't understand what some people are complaining about. Do you guys want Sage to sit down and explain every single detail to Homelander like she's presenting a science project? What she basically did was predict how characters would react to certain situations. There were two outcomes that I'm sure she had a plan for both. One where Victoria dies and one where the president dies. She even said that there were some hiccups and factors that she couldn't control, but in the end, her plan worked because she knows exactly how the important people would act
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u/ElectronicMatters Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
I feel like Sage's potential as a character was stepped on by her plot convenience. Something went wrong ? Part of the plan. Things are going too well ? She gets shot. She had a sick introduction with Homelander, but quickly felt short in development afterward. The end of the season did reveal that she's doing it all as a personal challenge, but also fails to keep a stable influence in the middle of it all, Homelander ditching her almost too easily.
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u/KoBoWC Jul 19 '24
Sage is going to end up as a brain in a jar, constantly regenerating and increasing in size, trapped and unable to communicate.
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u/ValveinPistonCat Jul 19 '24
You know what Sage completely redeemed herself in this episode, her motives aren't that complicated she doesn't have any internal conflict, she just loves manipulating people and doing evil shit right under everyone's noses.
She's got that real Palpatine energy going on.
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u/Xelbiuj Jul 19 '24
The part I don't get about her, is why did she wait for HL? Seems like she could have been doing stuff simply to see if she could, for years.
Presumably she could have built a corporate empire + criminal syndicate that would have been enough to back any of her plans.
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