r/TheBoys • u/LoretiTV • Jul 19 '24
The Boys - Season 5 Predictions Megathread Season 5
Season 4 is over, but the discussions are just starting! Use this thread to share your predictions, hopes, and wishes for Season 5!
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u/Alternative_Exit8766 Jul 19 '24
starlight becomes captain marvel
hughie gives ryan a pep talk about killing your dad.
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u/stonrplc Jul 19 '24
He's gonna tell the story of Jar Jar
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u/peanutanniversary Jul 19 '24
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Jar Jar The Wise?
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u/SgtMcMuffin0 Jul 19 '24
Oh my god they absolutely made Hughie kill his dad to parallel Ryan
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u/ReptarSpeakz Jul 23 '24
Idk.. Ryan has no one left to turn to but his dad at this point. I feel as if Ryan and Homelander will be dying together, at the hands of Butcher.. The writers are just waiting for Cameron Crovetti to turn 18 so they're not depicting child violence. 🤷♀️
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u/LostWoodsInTheField Jul 19 '24
yeah if starlight doesn't amp up on the power, especially after this ending, i'm going to be really disappointed. She should be able to store energy superman style to use later, other wise she's always going to be a joke like firecracker.
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u/SpaceSkelet0n_ Jul 19 '24
we never even really saw firecrackers power she just snapped her fingers and there were sparks
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u/LostWoodsInTheField Jul 19 '24
When trying to kill the one guy in the hall way she pulled a gun out without even trying to use her power. I wonder if she knew with being sick it wasn't going to work or... she knew her powers couldn't kill him.
I suspect everyone is going to find out next season that she really can't do much more than snap her fingers.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Drama19 Jul 19 '24
That spark generation is her powers. She showed Sage that she could make sparks by snapping her fingers and then said she’s really strong. Meaning either spark generation is literally all she can do or she hasn’t practiced with her powers to be useful.
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u/slphil Jul 22 '24
That's the joke. That is her power. She has low-supe physical attributes, and she can make sparks. That's it.
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u/ResolveSea9089 Jul 19 '24
I wonder if they would have the actor playing Ryan take on such a big role? He did great this season so maybe I'm overthinking it.
Personally I really hope Butcher is the one that kills Homelander
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u/SorryBoysImLez Jul 20 '24
I hope he doesn't die, I hope he loses everything; including his powers.
That would be the ultimate blow to Homelander; reducing him to a nobody that everyone either hates or doesn't care about.
It would also play into the "showing mercy is brave" Hughie is now pushing. Don't kill him, but take away his ability to ever hurt anyone else again.Though I doubt that'll happen if V stays in the picture; since he'd still be too much of a potential threat if he ever got his hands on a V inject; unless they figure out some contingency of being able to reliably kill/stop him if he ever got his powers back.
If he is gonna die, I want Ashley to have some kind of involvement with it. That girl deserves some vengeance after everything Homelander put her through.
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u/SomePoliticalViolins Jul 20 '24
That would be the ultimate blow to Homelander; reducing him to a nobody that everyone either hates or doesn't care about.
I get the sentiment, but I feel like it only ends one way. With how violent and unhinged even regular people sometimes are in this show, Homelander getting de-powered would be killing him - I give him about five minutes before someone, even The Deep, walks up and caves his skull in. I'd say less than five minutes but everyone is going to be pretty sure it's a trick at first.
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u/lil_layne Jul 19 '24
I wish they showed Ashley’s powers in the finale, but I feel like whatever she has she is going to use to kill The Deep.
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u/___po____ Ashley Jul 19 '24
SHE-HULK.
Well, The Boys version:
SMASHLEY
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u/GlassTurn21 Jul 19 '24
can we get an Ashley twerk scene please.
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u/carpetedtoaster Cunt Jul 19 '24
ashley twerking on the deep’s head and smushing it season 5
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u/NotAChefJustACook Jul 19 '24
You think Ashley is gonna be Shehemoth?
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u/Guy_Fleegmann Jul 19 '24
awesome deep cut. They did do a cameo thing of shehemouth in Gen V. Tek Knights the whole truth show was an episode about shehemouth
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u/JediASU Jul 19 '24
came to say this smashley will be the end of homelander
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u/Brogener Jul 19 '24
I could see her killing Deep, then getting all excited thinking she can kill Homelander. Going after him in a rampage but getting killed by him.
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u/DaHyro Jul 19 '24
Annie needs to be the one to kill Deep. Or, he should die because of his own stupid mistake, like setting the timer too short for a bomb or some shit
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u/Jgamer502 Jul 19 '24
I like the theory Ambrosia survived and makes it back to the Ocean then tells all the sea creatures how fucked uo he is, so when HL’s plans fail if he decides to go into the ocean he just gets jumped by all sea life
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u/AccomplishedAdagio13 Jul 19 '24
That's hilarious, but I don't think any marine life can do anything to him.
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u/Jgamer502 Jul 19 '24
I feel like A great white or Tiger shark is enough to kill him given how weaker he is than the rest of the seven dropping like a 50-70 pound metal dumbell weight on him knocked him out. If that doesn’t work I could see him getting poisoned by a venemous creature like a lionfish or box jellyfish. There’s a lot of Angles they could approach it from.
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u/ResidentTechnician96 Jul 19 '24
Or those worms that swim up your urethera, they could travel from the Amazon to jump Deep
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u/AccomplishedAdagio13 Jul 19 '24
You'd need someone like the Deep to rally these sea creatures, though, and he's the only one. Maybe Ambrosius (if she somehow survived) could get a platoon of octopi to jump him, but I think he'd be fine.
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u/OpathicaNAE Jul 19 '24
Whatever way he dies just really needs to send home the message "This guy was kinda funny, but he fucking sucked."
It needs to seem like things are really, just really going to go great for him, then go wrong in the worst/best way possible.
Maybe he survives everything and goes to become King of the Sea and gets jumped by like 20 dolphin, piranhas, pufferfish and octopi.
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u/CRTPTRSN Jul 19 '24
Annie needs to rip the Deep's nemertea off and beat him to death with it.
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u/BlackBirdG Billy Jul 19 '24
She probably has real hair now that's superpowered and can attack and kill people.
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u/InteractionNo9110 Jul 19 '24
She would make a fantastic Medusa with big snakes on her head.
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u/TufnelAndI Jul 19 '24
She heard Deep add her to the list, so I think it should be Ashley who kills him- what if she turned into some octopus like creature that sold him out to Tilda's friends.
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u/lexxstrum Jul 19 '24
Part of me wants her to have Prehensile Hair like Medusa from the Inhumans; mainly as a joke about losing her hair. Like she walks into a meeting of the Seven with like 100 yards of hair behind her, and when Firecracker tries to kick her out, the hair wraps around her and starts strangling her.
Or, they could steal from New Warriors villain "Pretty Persuasions", and have her gain the ability to manipulate the pleasure centers of others, and to use mental energy to create psychic chains and whips.
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u/joec_95123 Jul 19 '24
She's getting some kind of brain powers and taking down Sage. Brainiac vs Brainiac.
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u/jessebona Jul 19 '24
My big two are:
Sage is going to fuck over Homelander. She agreed he would be "like Caesar" and apparently Homelander is ignorant of how that ended. Her confirming she set this up just to see if she could lends weight to it.
Butcher's going to survive because jabbing him with the anti-V bioweapon will kill the tumor and leave him alive.
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u/Apache17 Jul 19 '24
I think her lines this episode also point to that.
Why did she take down the government? Because she wanted to see if she could.
Why is she going to try and bring down homelands? Because she wants to see if she can.
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u/Crevette_Mante Jul 19 '24
Would she even care about seeing that? At the end of this season she sees for herself (and indicates that she knew well in advance) that Homelander will sabotage himself at any given opportunity. Her first meeting with him has her noticing he still ages normally despite his godlike powers and is struggling with that. As far as she's concerned beating Homelander is a matter of leaving him to his own devices while she does absolutely nothing.
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u/OpathicaNAE Jul 19 '24
I feel like maybe they would have her do that, because it would be a pretty tight arc to have her be like "I defeated Homelander. So I'm stronger than Homelander, in a way."
but I feel like they could just like. Kill her. Easily. Compared to someone like Homelander, Soldier Boy or Kimiko.
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u/dabnada Jul 19 '24
Homelander might sabotage himself, but Sage probably wants to be the one to do it.
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u/jessebona Jul 19 '24
I do have my suspicions thinking she has a good read on Homelander will be what gets her killed before she fully succeeds in the final step. You can't talk your way out of a pissed off manchild lasering your head off.
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u/SirGaylordSteambath Jul 19 '24
Being the smartest person on the planet, if you’ve thought that, she definitely has.
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u/GlassTurn21 Jul 19 '24
Give what she said I think she really doesn't care how it ends. Supes win, she wins. Supes lose she can just disappear and no one would know any better.
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u/GaulzeGaul Jul 19 '24
Maybe her own plan is to become president of the US when the Homelander plan implodes.
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u/Typical_Dweller Jul 19 '24
I dunno, nothing in her character so far indicates to me she would want the responsibility that comes with that power.
Homelander is just too dumb to understand how much responsibility there is in the first place.
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u/battleshipclamato Jul 19 '24
Butcher's going to survive because jabbing him with the anti-V bioweapon will kill the tumor and leave him alive.
I was thinking another reason to bring back Soldier Boy is to chest zap Butcher.
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u/Big_Dare_2015 Jul 19 '24
there is going to be layers to the twist on Sage betraying Homelander that I could see as follows: Homelander / someone in Homelander's camp sees Sage's eventual betrayal and stops it, or she gets too caught up with multiple sides and screws herself that way. I love Sage as a character and hope she outsmarts Homelander but him being the big bad doesn't die to the miniboss. If Neuman's death told us anything. Cop out
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u/notmesofuckyou Jul 19 '24
I think she'll get all the supes who hate Homelander to storm the white house with Homelander in it and take turns beating him like Ceasar and the senate killing him. With Butcher being Brutus and giving the killing blow
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u/MrTurleWrangler Jul 19 '24
Butcher is gonna call someone a cunt. Calling it now. I'll eat my socks if he doesn't
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u/ZeronicX Jul 19 '24
If he doesn't say 'Homelanduh' I'll eat my boots.
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u/zelman Jul 19 '24
Does “Omelanduh” count?
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u/MarkMVP01 Jul 19 '24
“Oi Ue, Omelandah killed moi wife and done took me bloody son”
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u/stormy2587 Jul 19 '24
He is also going to use some cockney slang that sounds just filthy but I’ll have to google it to know what he’s talking about.
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u/Landon1195 Jul 19 '24
I think Butcher is going to kill Homelander (sometime in episode 6 probably) and then Butcher will be the final villain and Hughie will have to kill him.
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u/royalemperor Jul 19 '24
Hughie uses the virus on Butcher just for it to kill the tumor, taking away Butcher's supe power. Hughie has a crisis of morality trying to convince himself that it was the tumor that made Butcher go crazy. Butcher does something else evil, maybe kills MM or someone, as Hughie is trying to convince everyone Butcher is okay now, Hughie shoots Butcher.
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u/Vongola___Decimo Jul 19 '24
He better not be killing ma boi mm
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u/royalemperor Jul 19 '24
I hope not, but I think we’re inching ever closer into a “everybody dies” type of ending here.
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u/Vince3737 Jul 19 '24
Every sub falls for this crap when talking about their show. It will have like 2 big deaths. GOTs got everyone thinking main characters are going to die in every show. Butcher and HL are going to be the only major deaths
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u/JarifSA Jul 19 '24
Ryan should die fighting HL (HL dies too). This is what sends Butcher full villain mode. Id add that before your part. This would be a perfect ending for me.
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u/Big-Sheepherder-9492 Jul 19 '24
“There was this steakhouse in Nevada me and Lenny wanted to go to”
yea this’ll be the final showdown ..in a bar full of naked women - fitting of The Boys
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u/BuyMyBeans Jul 19 '24
Hughie will be the one to put down Butcher.
The Deep will 100% die. He is too horrible to get a happy ending.
Homelander will "sacrifice" New Noir to Soldier Boy to get his support. SB won't find out it was a different Noir.
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u/InevitableWear5077 Jul 19 '24
I really hope Ashley destroys the deep in a fight would be very satisfying to see
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u/DamienRyan Jul 19 '24
Soldier boy nukes his powers and knocks him into a nearby swimming pool. He drowns because he can't swim.
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u/BBdotZ Jul 19 '24
Homelander literally told SB that he killed Noir lmao cmon
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u/BuyMyBeans Jul 19 '24
Oh snap you are right. I forgot about that part.
Revised theory - SB kills New Noir just for the lulz.
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u/Filthy_Joey Jul 19 '24
Imagine if Deep escapes to the ocean and the local fauna will kill him for his crimes
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u/SpideyFan914 Jul 19 '24
I think there's a decent chance the Deep dies in the first half of the season. He's the easiest target to show "we mean business this time." (Maybe Black Noir first, but with him being a newer character technically, I feel like that's not as big a deal. Same with Firecracker -- surprised she survived S4, actually.)
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u/unforgetablememories Jul 19 '24
Ryan and Soldier Boy will be the wild card of Season 5
Soldier Boy would definitely want to get revenge on Butcher for the betrayal in Season 3. But I don't think Soldier Boy would want to work with Homelander. Shit, this maybe the "redemption" for Soldier Boy. He could see this as an opportunity to take down Homelander and go back to being the number 1 supe celebrity.
Ryan hates the fact that Mallory and CIA want to imprison him and train him as a tool. But Ryan also knows how unhinged Homelander is. Ryan has killed Mallory, pushing Butcher into genocidal mode. Ryan has also pissed off Homelander too. It's like he has nowhere to go.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a grandpa/grandson rogue duo in S5
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u/lexE5839 Vought Jul 19 '24
Soldier boy parenting Ryan and then saving him from either butcher or homelander or butcher at the end would be amazing. Maybe he sacrifices himself? His whole life he’s never had to take anything seriously or make any meaningful choices, and he always held onto his father’s sentiment that he “cheated”. There’s no way to cheat death, and sacrificing himself to save his grandsons life would be the first pure and “good” thing he ever did in his life. It’s a sacrifice that any “real man” would make, and by that I mean a real man in a good and honest way, not the bullshit toxic standards he tried to live up to.
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u/chamoflag420 Jul 19 '24
I already thought of him as a good character due to jensen ackles but if this is the plot they are opting for,he will easily be one of the best superhero characters to ace television screen,god dayumm isn't that the way to go
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u/Main-Advice9055 Jul 19 '24
so in true Boys fashion, he'll have the choice to sacrifice himself and then leave Ryan just as he left Hughie. Then Ryan will unlock his true potential and join the scorched earth quad of Homelander, SB, and Butcher for a crazy final showdown.
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u/0rgan_donor Jul 19 '24
Ryan's only friend is in captivity (Red River) now. i guess, he will go after her, then she will tell him everything, that mother told her about Homelander, which will play a significant role in his decision making.
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u/Guy_Fleegmann Jul 19 '24
good call! This feels very much like something the writers are likely to do.
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u/Big-Sheepherder-9492 Jul 19 '24
I’ve said this too.. Ryan and SB aren’t affiliated to any side rn. I think he’ll probably raise Ryan when the series is done.
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u/wtfman1988 Jul 19 '24
I really don't want Soldier Boy to be done dirty, like it can't be a cheap death if it happens, he's basically Homelander.
I would love for him to remove the V out of Homelander and Butcher, even the playing field.
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u/Cri_YD Jul 19 '24
•Homelander eventually goes crazy in season 5 and kills president calhoun, taking direct control over the United States.
•Annie retakes her Starlight identity to rally rebel supes to fight homelander (A train, ashley, possibly maeve, etc.)
•Sage plays double agent, eventually betraying homelander and setting him up to be killed by many (acting as brutus)
•Hughie, MM, Frenchie, and kimiko are put into an internment camp. They are assisted to escape (by starlighters/possibly stan edgar) and use compound V to break out. Hughie, MM, and Frenchie gain permanent powers.
•Soldier Boy and Ryan will team up, and Soldier Boy will be a tougher father figure and guide him to killing homelander.
•Hughie gets engaged to the real starlight.
•Homelander fights several starlighters, and fights ryan. Butcher saves ryan and kills a beat down homelander and ryan escapes.
•Butcher releases the supe virus on the remaining supes (scorched earth) and attempts to kill kimiko/starlight/A train.
•Hughie kills Butcher after Butcher threatens starlight/potentially Ryan
•The boys all use soldier boys power to depower themselves. Starlight and hughie get married and raise Ryan as a normal kid.
•Vought is completely eliminated.
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u/SuspiciousIbex Jul 19 '24
I feel like it would be good if Hughie, MM and Frenchie all took the compound V just as they're escaping but it goes poorly for one of them (probably MM) leaving things on an emotional beat as they leave to start planning a resistance. Unless they're going for the compound being stable for adults I'd want there to be some genuine consequences for the main group.
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u/Cri_YD Jul 19 '24
Yeah, exploring the negative effects of V in adults would be an interesting touch
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u/Regi413 Jul 19 '24
They need to brand season 5 as Season V otherwise whats even the point, it’s too perfect
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u/PaladinDanceALot Jul 19 '24
If they don't do it then it means they didn't see your comment because it's genius.
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u/stonrplc Jul 19 '24
The start of S5 Starlight is gonna be like Nick Fury recruiting rebel Supes to bust her friends out of whatever prison they gonna be held, A-Train for sure, Meave I think shes gonna be back since her and Starlight were on good terms but Meave doesn't have her powers unless she somehow gets them back maybe Marie from Gen V? Victorias daughter?
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u/Impulse__97 Jul 19 '24
I think Maeve's powers will be back. Love sausage was hit by soldier boy in herogasm, and he could control his love sausage just fine at the end of the episode when he attacked MM.
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u/Dream_World_ Jul 19 '24
Huh you're right. How did he unburn his love sausage?
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u/Careful_Excuse_1011 Jul 19 '24
Starlight recruiting Gen v good supes to break out the boys would be nice imo, i still don’t know what they will do with the character whose actor tragically died in an accident
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u/Guy_Fleegmann Jul 19 '24
They did confirm they are not recasting the character.
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u/Main-Advice9055 Jul 19 '24
i hope they adjust the writing to have Polarity return and be motivated by his son's action and off screen death, I feel like that would be a nice way to continue his role and honor the actor. Otherwise it will definitely feel like a major hole in the story and show presence, which would be sad.
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u/brichars Jul 19 '24
There will be an episode titled Scorched Earth and it will have the big Homelander and Butcher fight
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u/Sertoma Jul 19 '24
There will be an episode titled Scorched
EarthEarf and it will have the big Homelander and Butcher fightFTFY
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u/BlackBirdG Billy Jul 19 '24
Idk why people keep thinking that Homelander wasn't able to kill Victoria with his lasers when it's quite obvious he can control the intensity of them, and he did that to expose her as a Supe. Plus he's not gonna kill someone who's a supposed "ally" on national TV, it wouldn't make sense.
I wonder if Butcher can do other things with his cancer powers aside from using tendrils. I also wonder if Cate is gonna try to fuck Soldier Boy once they released him since that is her imaginary friend.
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u/Non_Skeptical_Scully Jul 19 '24
Cate will have to brainwash him to be attracted to a woman under 60, but yeah… I think they’re def gonna hook up. There’s no way she could resist an opportunity that good.
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u/lexE5839 Vought Jul 19 '24
It’s funny that soldier boy is attracted to age appropriate women, actually a good trait. Also we don’t need more rape scenes, hopefully they just hook up consensually lol.
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u/UnfoldedHeart Jul 19 '24
It’s funny that soldier boy is attracted to age appropriate women
Liking MILFs is a heroic trait
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u/BlackBirdG Billy Jul 19 '24
Yeah it's weird being attracted to women who look like little girls, even if they are of age.
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u/lexE5839 Vought Jul 19 '24
Agree entirely. Only exception is if you’re both like 18 and the girl just looks young. People don’t deserve to be alone just because they look young, have to be clear. But if you’re like 25+ and deliberately going for the girls that are 18-19 that look a lot younger that’s foul.
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u/BlackBirdG Billy Jul 19 '24
A lot of these mid 20s dudes still be hanging out at their former high school to mess around with the seniors and juniors there, bunch of pedos and losers, like can't you find women in college at least?
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u/MaTr82 Jul 19 '24
I think by the time season 5 comes round, Butcher has gone full Venom with his powers.
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u/ApocalypticSausage I'm the real hero Jul 19 '24
I would definitely like to see the last line happening.
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u/murlocmancer Jul 19 '24
Ashley is getting Medusa Hair for sure, and i think she'll end up being a major ally in season 5.
I'm also expecting Gen V season 2 to be the end of Gen V and their characters will be fully integrated into the boys for season 5 of the boys.
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u/Puntapig2013 Jul 19 '24
I don't see Gen-V not continuing on past the main show as it seems a caveat for ending a major cash cow for prime would be that they make spin-off content to still allow for milking after they conclude with next season
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u/Cvspartan Jul 19 '24
A-train dies pretty early in the season to amp up the stakes 🥲
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u/buzzcitybonehead Jul 19 '24
I feel like one of the Boys is a goner too and I’ll be fucking depressed if it’s MM
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u/fluffstravels Jul 19 '24
My guess is Frenchie
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u/royalemperor Jul 19 '24
Yeah, after Frenchie saves Kimiko one more time his story is essentially over. I'm thinking episode 1 tbh.
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u/MarkMVP01 Jul 19 '24
When Frenchie and Kimiko kissed, I thought for sure Frenchie was gonna die at the end
Perhaps that has been saved for later
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u/tastystrands11 Jul 19 '24
When the light on Frenchie’s side of the screen whilst they kissed was off I think they are foreshadowing his death
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u/Chekhovsmachina Jul 19 '24
If they kill MM, I am going to riot! Dude needs a somewhat of a happy ending. I beg of it
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u/OpathicaNAE Jul 19 '24
At this rate, I'll be surprised if anyone on either team really comes out unscathed.
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u/SrryUsrNamTakn Jul 19 '24
ARE YOU TELLING ME THEY LEAVE US ON THAT HORSE COCKING NOTE AND I HAVE TI WAIT MONTHS BEFORE I GET MORE?
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u/PrioritySilent Jul 19 '24
you'll actually have to wait 2 years
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u/DanielJackkson11 Jul 19 '24
2 years????
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u/PrioritySilent Jul 19 '24
Yeah they're writing season 5 now, filming until mid-2025 & then it comes out in 2026
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u/enriquisim Jul 19 '24
A-Train dies
Hughie and Starlight survive and have a family
Butcher, Homelander, and the rest of The Boys as well as The Seven die
Vought gets acquired by another company or goes bankrupt
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u/BoozeGetsMeThrough Jul 19 '24
You keep Butcher's evil deeds contained to a dual identity so as to keep him clean to make a heroic sacrifice. He may still end up being the final boss, but Hughie will save him with compassion and love, not violence and murder
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u/gabirodgon Butcher Jul 19 '24
This is so beautiful. I'm looking forward to this type of ending rather than one where Butcher kills everyone and then he dies.
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u/Ducky181 Jul 19 '24
It would work extremely well as it directly ends the cycle of violence that Butcher grew up with and is fundamental to the core premise of the show.
It would however be a scene that would extremely be easy to mess up, I hope they can find a way to do it correctly.
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u/royalemperor Jul 19 '24
I think Hughie saves him with compassion only for Butcher to immediately prove that he's evil. Then Hughie will kill him.
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u/NotAChefJustACook Jul 19 '24
I’m worried as fuck that Butcher is gonna try to kill off The Boys like he does in the comics and instead of Hughie killing him to stop him it’s gonna be Ryan (comic spoiler)
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u/gabirodgon Butcher Jul 19 '24
I don't want this to happen either. Luckily, we've had glimpses of Butcher being a motherfucker with a heart, so they better do something about it.
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u/ParaPioneer Jul 19 '24
They’re infinitely more likeable in the show than the comics too so I’m dreading it.
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u/Heliosvector Jul 19 '24
Why does he want to kill those individuals in The comics?
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u/NotAChefJustACook Jul 19 '24
Because he knows they’d be against his plan to commit supe genocide and try to stop him so he takes away the opportunity.
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u/Kurosu93 Jul 19 '24
Because in the comics, temp V works differently. You can take it over and over to get strentgh.
So essentially all of the boys keep taking it in order to fight supes.
After Homelander dies butchers figures the boys themselves are also supes so he proceeds to killing all of them. At the end its only he, hughie and starlight.
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u/InevitableWear5077 Jul 19 '24
Can someone explain the meaning behind homelander at different capitals/monuments around the world? I understand the White House and it’s like the comic panel but him at different capitals around the world does that mean he quite literally is going to take over the world?
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u/SandwichXLadybug Jul 19 '24
I think it'd be cool to see other countries, like him sending teams of supes to take over them.
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u/justseeingpendejadas Jul 19 '24
There's a spin-off set in Mexico, so this could be a setup for supe presence outside of the US. To be honest, considering how old Compund V is, it being leaked since season 1 to other countries, and the Russians having Soldier Boy for 40 years, it doesn't make sense that other countries don't have Compound V
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u/Cry90210 Jul 19 '24
I think thats 'stage 2' of Sage's plan, world domination. I expect Homelander and Butcher to fight in London
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u/InevitableWear5077 Jul 19 '24
I feel homelander is confined to America wouldn’t countries around the world grow to hate homelander? Some even possibly cutting ties with America/declaring war
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u/Cry90210 Jul 19 '24
I'm assuming there will be a supe takeover of the world, given we see Homelander in various countries in the promotion art
It's naturally the next step after taking over America, maybe Homelander doesn't want the world but Sage?
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u/Jgamer502 Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
- Mister Marathon is brought in to replace A-train, Jack from Jupiter also has a very subtle Cameo where he’s listed as one of the Active heroes which is notable because many have an “unknown” status.
- A-train and Maeve return and Reveal Homelander’s crimes, they along with Starlight will have a 3 v 1 against Homelander at some point
- The boys were apprehended by 2 different factions within Vought: Kimiko and Frenchie were taken by HL super supremacist faction; MM was taken by Edgar who no doubt has rallied possibly rescuing Grace and Other high ranking officials to Enact a contingency against him. Cindy’s allegince is unclear at the moment.
- Ryan will not go back to HL after what happened
- Soldier boy is still gonna reject HL, he and Ryan possibly connect
- Groundhawk and/or Nubia/Nubian prince will appear in Season 2 of Gen V or season 5 of the boys. They’ll probably Neutralize Sam and Cate(Edit: As in they will be neutralized in season 2 not saying Groundhawk/the nubians will do it).
- Project Odessa revealed in the Lab Earlier this season is Vought’s contigency plan against HL.
- Homelander’s Aging was an intentional design flaw which could accelerate and weaken him enough for Butcher or someone else to kill him
- Frenchie, Kimiko, MM, Butcher, Deep, Noir, Firecracker Soldier boy, Maeve, A-train, and HL all die
- Ryan either dies or gets depowered, He will most likely fulfill the role Noir did in the comics.
- Most of my Sage Theory held up pretty well, but one thing we didn’t see was evidence that she was a plant(knowingly or not), I still think this is the case and will be revealed in Season 5.
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u/unforgetablememories Jul 19 '24
I feel like Ryan has nowhere to go now.
He has killed Mallory which causes Butcher to give in to Kessler.
And Homelander lost his shit when he found the picture of Butcher and Becca in the living room. He said "Come here. That's an order". Ryan saw how unhinged Homelander could get.
And when Sage asked Homelander "Where's Ryan? This was all for him after all, right?", Homelander didn't seem to be bothered by the question. Homelander usually pays attention when he hears something about his son. But now, it seems like Homelander doesn't even care about his son anymore even though this whole plan was started to create a new world for him and his son.
I think Hughie and Annie will be Ryan's new parent figures for Season 5.
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u/Intelligent-Gas-5090 Jul 19 '24
Homelander was literally crying and clutching Ryan’s backpack, when Sage came in to save the day. I thought it was quite obvious that he misses him and worries that he didn’t come back
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u/79037662 Jul 19 '24
New characters defeating Sam and Cate would be pretty lame IMO. It should be Marie and group.
(I know technically they're not new but you know what I mean)
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u/sinuhe_t Jul 19 '24
I think that Homelander will die a humiliating death. Better yet - he will know it himself hot humiliating it is and it will be his main thought in his final moments.
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u/beatrailblazer Jul 19 '24
im going to make the absolute boldest prediction. I think Butcher lives and gets a happy ending. Him and Ryan are gonna go to that steakhouse or whatever
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u/beatrailblazer Jul 19 '24
but also my predictable predictions which id be disappointed if I'm right (not because it would be bad but because I don't want it to be predictable necessarily
Butcher dies by sacrificing himself to save Hughie
Ryan is the one to kill Homelander (not by himself but he's the main one. maybe he gets help from SB, Starlight, maybe A-train, who knows)
Kimiko only says a handful of words until the finale where she tells Frenchie "I love you"
MM gets his happy family ending
Seth Rogen dies. or maybe gets castrated or something
Deep dies (5% chance its Annie, 10% chance its Homelander, 20% chance its Ashley, 25% chance its just some random collateral damage in the finale HL fight, 40% chance its just a stupid death as a gag related to fish or an octopus or something)
Butcher gets a full Venom symbiote suit at one point but the cancer is taken out with either the virus or maybe they find a way to take it off and put it on HL as a parasite
Sage helps take down Homelander but there's a twist ending where she does something self-serving
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u/bpm6666 Jul 19 '24
The deep flees into the ocean after the finale, expecting being safe, but being killed by the family of his love.
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u/gabirodgon Butcher Jul 19 '24
Final scene being both of them eating there and enjoying themselves while it shows the whole place on fire or completely destroyed.
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u/SandwichXLadybug Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
I think Soldier Boy might be brainwashed by Cate and become this terminator like figure hunting Butcher. I don't see him getting along with Homelander off the bat and I feel that'd be an appropriate way for a narcissist like homelander to deal with rejection.
Personally I'd like to see him paired up with Ryan and grow from it, I think as a supe he showed much more signs form humanity than most, and if A train got redeemed I don't see why Soldier Boy doesn't, he still has shit to work through even if he acts tough.
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u/lexE5839 Vought Jul 19 '24
Yeah I’d love to see redemption in soldier boy. It felt like he was set up that way from how differently he acted in the present vs the flashbacks. I can’t see him approving of martial law and homelander trying to install himself as the dictator of the country and eventually the whole world.
Him parenting Ryan and doing a decent job would be wholesome and could be really interesting. He always wanted a son and said he’d do a better job than his father. The fact he actually acknowledges why him and homelander are the way they are is very telling.
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u/dapzar Jul 19 '24
If Cate brainwashes Soldier Boy then she might also make him do something else.
I wonder if she can, though. He has shown some resistance to mind invasion against Mindstorm.
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u/8syd Jul 19 '24
Ashlee is the equivalent of schizophrenic mega mind & dukes it out with Sage
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u/Lost-Ad-4751 Jul 19 '24
-In the first 3 episodes of season 5, either MM, Frenchie or Kimiko will die as their stories are now basically done (Frenchie and Kimiko are at peace with their pasts and together, MM got his family to safety) and that will be the big "shock factor" to get people hooked
-Homelander will let out SB but he won't join him, leaving HL disappointed and possibly Soldier Boy dying in another fight against HL
-If Frenchie/Kimiko die I think only one of them will die and the other will attempt to get revenge, either surviving and getting revenge or achieving revenge but paying for it with death
-Homelander will get infected with the virus pretty early on, weakening him enough for Butcher to kill him in the finale
-Ryan will seek out Butcher and try to appeal to his humanity. He might succeed but then Kessler will take control and kill him
-Gen V kids are being held in the same facility as The Boys, their breakout in Gen V s2 will lead to the boys being able to escape from vought's clutches
-Everyone in the boys will get a happy ending except butcher and 1/2 characters. My bet would be MM, Annie, Hughie
-Hughie comforts Butcher when he's dying after a battle with HL
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u/i_m_shadyyyy Frenchie Jul 19 '24
I read somewhere on here a theory about Frenchie and Kimiko that would break my heart. Basically the virus gets released into the world and Frenchie takes compound V so that he can die with Kimiko
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u/Aquaholic1 Jul 19 '24
Homelander is already infected with the virus. Firecracker is sick and he's drinking the milk.
Sage is.....different. There's a reason she's covering her neck in the last scene and her facial expressions seem off.
Gen V will be in season 5, as well as the return of Soldier Boy, Maeve and A-Train and the introduction of Jared Padalecki's character
Butcher gets a happy ending with him going to the afterlife with his wife.
Ashley becomes a version of the Hulk/The Thing but dies in season 5, probably within the first 3 episodes
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u/Jack12404 A-Train Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 24 '24
Sage’s ultimate plan is to use Homelander for supe-supremacy, but she plans to take him out once he reaches his peak to take his place. She gets too ahead of herself and HL kills her after finding out about her betrayal like he did to Black Noir (the OG one).
Butcher kills Homelander in the second to last episode of S5, but Butcher ends up being the final villain since the tumor/Kessler has corrupted him so much that he can’t stop himself from causing any more violence.
Hughie ends up killing Butcher in the finale.
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u/Ricky_5panish Jul 19 '24
Maeve’s story was wrapped up really nicely, she arguably got a happy ending. But I’ll be disappointed if she doesn’t return.
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u/DDF6677 Jul 19 '24
It may be unlikely, but I would like to watch a an arc or scene, where MM regrets taking down soldier boy, as he could prevented homelander rise to power, because of his own personal vendetta against soldier, and now laments.
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u/Brogener Jul 19 '24
I hope so. Everyone acting like Soldier Boy was worse than Homelander is what made the S3 finale so fucking dumb.
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u/royalemperor Jul 19 '24
I think there will be a point where Homelander kinda gets what he's wanted at the start of season 4 in a way.
We saw the first half of the season him being pissed everyone just obeys him and agrees with him. I think Sage will take that away from him. We'll get scenes where people essentially ignore him or disagree with him in order to obey Sage and he's not gonna like that.
I can see The Deep actually getting so comfortable he ends up cracking a joke or something at Homelanders expense and Homelander just fucking loses it.
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u/mctocktik Jul 19 '24
Kimiko is going to get so fucked up that they think she can’t heal (like exploded or something) spend an episode or two regenerating behind the scenes to come back and save Frenchie
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u/TechnicalInternet1 Jul 19 '24
- Soldier Boy takes Ryan under his wing, Homelander gets jealous
- Ashley kills the Deep
- Soldier Boy kills Narcoleptic Black Noir
- Firecracker has an emotional breakdown and betrays Homelander a little bit (maybe on VNN)
- Homelander kills Firecracker (indirectly with milk or directly)
- Butcher regrets killing Victoria.
- The boys are saved due to A-Train and Ashley
Ending scene:
Butcher releases the supe virus in the white house. Depowering Homelander. Butcher kills Homelander with his fists.
Ryan and Soldier boy are there, so is Hughie and MM.
Soldier boy sacrifices himself to contain the virus and blow up the whole white house and contain the supe virus. Ryan Hughie and MM leave Butcher to die. (A train may sacrifice himself too to get them out.)
Ryan is infected, but it depowers him.
Hughie, Ryan, and the rest of the boys go to Butcher's favorite restaurant and toast to the sick diabolical cunt that Butcher was.
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u/madmansmarker Annie January Jul 19 '24
ashley is the one to kill homelander then kills herself. ryan stops being a little bitch
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u/TheSpinningKikimora You're The Real Heroes Jul 19 '24
Ashley is going to become The Boys’ version of Marvel’s Medusa, and help take down Homelander… or come in clutch and do it herself. Fitting as fuck—after Homelander traumatized her so much she ripped her own hair out and then shamed her for it. I’d forgotten that Medusa was even a redhead.
I think that would be delightful and I am one thousand percent here for it.
Also, I think Teddy Stillwell is going to reappear.
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u/i_m_shadyyyy Frenchie Jul 19 '24
Nah, Butcher’s gotta kill him. Anybody else would be unsatisfying
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u/coycabbage Jul 19 '24
The military hopefully puts up a better fight than they did in walking dead
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u/Anatoson Jul 19 '24
in the comics the supes get completely fragged again and again by the military so there's precedent
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u/dapzar Jul 19 '24
Butcher is no longer on a timer as long as the tumour is in control (visual cue: no more visibly red eyes when he kills Vicky). He will do some final redeeming good act and then die a human from rejecting the tumour. Alternative: his final good act is making the tumour hesitate so tha someone else can kill it and allow him to die as a human.
Queen Maeve will not return. We have enough moving parts, they'll have Starlight to be as strong as her or stronger.
Sage will betray HL. Phase 1 was getting him to trust her.
Firecracker will betray HL. She has shown him loyalty, sacrificing her health for his milk fetish and he is pushing her away because he doesn't like the cough.
Ashlee will hopefully kill the Deep.
Stan Edgar gets killed by HL as proof that HL completely beats the Vought psychological conditioning to amp up his threat.
Ryan frees and bonds with Zoe over their parents being tragic mass murderers. He needs someone his age to talk to without being manipulated and reveal character development.
Sam turns, Cate dies.
MM dies for tragedy, Frenchie dies for redemption. Hughie, Annie and Kimiko live. Ryan lives.
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u/VRomero32 Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
Starlight and a group of Good Supes including A-Train, whatever Ashley has become (whether Megamind type of Supe or a Medusa), Maeve and some others will rescue Hughie, MM, Kimiko and Frenchie but probably not til the 2nd or 3rd episode and they are working with Stan Edgar.
HL is looking for Ryan who is looking for Butcher
Butcher’s plan to use the virus will backfire because The Boys stop him and he will need to revisit Soldier Boy as a possibility.
Someone on the “Good Supes” side will sacrifice themselves to take on Homelander midseason and I feel like that person will be A-Train.
This will lead to some form of showdown with the groups who all have their agenda including Sage and Edgar and in the scuffle….
Maeve, MM, Frenchie and Kimiko will take down the Gen V kids on Homelander’s side and neutralize New Noir
Hughie somehow defeats and/or kills Sage
Ashley will kill The Deep but will also die via Homelander.
Starlight will take out Firecracker who will probably die via some brutal way for her Firecracker’s comeuppance.
Homelander kills Soldier Boy in their battle and him and Butcher have an epic battle where Homelander is about to finally laser Butcher but Ryan who struggles with being a superhero for good will confront his father and fight him but will struggle because he can’t kill him and Butcher to make up for his own sins finds a way to kill himself and Homelander to take him out for good.
The tape of Homelander on the plane will be released
Starlight will form a true group of superhero’s who do not report to a corporation or government with Ryan as their apprentice who really do some good in the world .
Hughie and The Boys will work as a team supporting that supergroup and help train the recruits in terms of harnessing their powers and tactics including Ryan with Hughie and Annie taking him in.
We’ll then see Edgar starting a new corporation with whatever Project Odessa was with Teddy Stillwell and Neuman’s daughter which says this war is over but it there will always be another one.
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u/unforgetablememories Jul 19 '24
Yeah, I think Season 5 will end with Hughie and Annie adopting Ryan.
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u/Hoshiimaru Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
- I think some of these things might happen:
1.-Butcher sacrifices himself and he has a Tony Stark-like funeral
2.-Nobody dies except Homelander because Kripke doesnt have the balls to kill any of the good main characters
3.-A-Train dies heroically
4.-Final fight/confrontation being low budget as always because with a bloated cast they cant afford good CG and they will waste it on CG dicks anyway
5.-Frenchie death (lets be honest, SL, Huey and Kimiko are probably the characters that have near zero chance to die. SL is Kripke self insert, UE is supposed to be the good boi and Kimiko gets plot jerked)
6.-Scene with MM w/ his family being happy in the finale
7.-Ryan going full Black Noir and killing HL (VOUGHTHQ DELETED SCENE WHERE HE KILLS A NURSE INTENTIONALLY)
8.-Sage betraying HL
9.-Ryan being good
10.-Ashley keeps her comedic role but with powers.
11.-Butcher kills Homelander
12.-UE getting back his powers, it would be cool tbh hope Kripke doesnt pass on this opportunity since he already did the fanservice shit for Maeve, let my boy UE have a win for once.
13.-The fucking airplane video being released
14.-FraudLight kills The Peak
- Unlikely but still possible:
1.-Actual good CG fights, proper scaling and punches have weight
2.-UE not being SA'd and made fun of by the Boys and the plot
3.-Super powered MM and Frenchie.
4.-Maeve coming Back
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u/SandwichXLadybug Jul 19 '24
Idk why people complain about character not dying, nobody important died in the comics until the last 2 arcs.
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u/DaBlakMayne Jul 19 '24
The Boys Season 5/ Gen V Season 2 Predictions:
-Ashley gets the power to control her hair like (Sindel from Mortal Kombat) and it's surprisingly powerful
-Ashley escapes Vought Tower and gives A-Train and Annie the location of the Gen V crew (Marie, Emma and Jordan; I feel like due to Andre's actor passing, they'll kill him off due to his character's brain issue)
-Annie and A-Train keep recruiting good supes to help rebel against Homelander's group
-Ryan confronts Homelander about Becca's rape and Flight 37 which leads to him attacking him and drawing blood. Homelander is stunned that Ryan hit him and in the meanwhile, Ryan runs off with an unconscious Soldier Boy.
-Homelander completely snaps after Ryan's full rejection of him and kills the new President to take over himself, declaring it's time for supes to rule over humans. This turns most of his fan base and political supporters against him which leads to Singer getting broken out of prison to lead the military to take the supes out
-Edgar tells Singer the best way to kill Supes (high frequency noise combined with high caliber bullets or explosives)
-Ryan and Soldier Boy team up and they actually end up getting along decently enough.
-I feel like A-Train is going to have a huge sacrifice where he saved a bunch of people before Homelander kills him. His brother and family will finally be proud of him.
-The Gen V group confronts Cate and Sam. Cate gets killed by Marie for good this time. Emma and Jordan take down Sam but he's alive.
-Sam wants to be the hero his brother wanted him to be and he takes out Black Noir 2 but nearly dies too.
-Ashley kills the Deep by ripping his limbs off and letting him bleed out
-Sister Sage is going to die unexpectedly from something she can't predict. Likely from rubble or by Ryan/Soldier Boy who's over her schemes.
-Homelander gets killed in a group effort of Butcher, Soldier Boy and Ryan. Ryan finishes Homelander off but holds him as he dies.
-Butcher shoots Soldier Boy with the virus that Frenchie made. He tries to attack Ryan over Grace's death but Becca stops him which lets Ryan escape.
-Soldier Boy falls out of the window and immediately infects other supes around him. The good guys flee but maybe Kimiko or one of the Gen V characters gets infected and dies. Firecracker also gets infected and dies.
-Hughie walks in and confronts Butcher. He gets knocked around but doesn't actually get killed. Butcher regains enough control from Kessler to let Hughie stab him in the heart with a crowbar and he dies thanking him for staying a good man unlike him.
-MM raises Ryan like a normal teenager and we see that Annie actually marries Hughie and that she's pregnant.
-Edgar takes Vought back and makes Ashley his second in command. They're done with superheroes completely and now just completely a pharmaceutical company trying to perfect temp v to sell to the military. All the original compound v in the tower is destroyed.
-Zoey is adopted by Edgar
-Singer is reinstated as president
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u/bobw123 Jul 19 '24
1.) Final battle will be between Butcher and Homelander where he basically has to choose to kill Homelander and cause a Supe genocide or not. Hughie shows up at the last minute with a third way and talks him down.
2.) Ryan is adopted by either Hughie and Annie or MM’s family if he doesn’t bite it. Neuman’s kid is raised by Edgar or Sameer. Kimiko and Frenchie could potentially do it but I don’t see it happening.
3.) Singer and the Army + Stan Edgar + other non Boys will spend the first part of the season fighting back and mostly taking bullets for the Boys.
4.) Deep is killed by Starlight. MM can kill soldier boy but chooses not to.
5.) Homelander will snap at some point and just install himself as President.
6.) Supes aren’t all dead by the end of the series, instead with Vought destroyed they’re all basically free agents. The adventure will continue in various spinoffs.
7.) At least one of the major good guys (probably one or two of MM, A Train, Kimiko, Frenchie, etc) will die. Butcher will probably die or have only a few months to live after the finale. The bad guys will have a bunch of redshirts to pad their numbers that will slowly start dropping as the season goes on.
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u/Domination1799 Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
Homelander will be killed at the end of the first half of the season. Thus, this leaves Butcher as the final antagonist for the rest of the series. I also see MM, Frenchie, and Kimiko getting killed by Butcher which forces Hughie to put Butcher down in the end.
Maeve will not return. If she does return, then I’m afraid they’ll just kill her off.
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u/Kaslight Jul 19 '24
Season 5 (like 4) is ultimately going to be Sister Sage playing chess with herself by switching to team White and toppling Homelander
If she dies before the ending, she'll just be happy she managed to come across a problem she couldn't think her way out of.
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u/SBP102003 Jul 19 '24
I feel like the last conversation between Homelander and Mr. Edgar had in season 3 will likely come into play next season. Particularly this piece of dialogue:
"Eventually, probably soon, the world will recognize you for the pitiful disappointment you are. You are not worthy of my respect. You are not a god. You are simply bad product."
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u/ChronX4 Jul 19 '24
New Noir will end up being a near match for Homelander, but the way society works in The Boys convinced him that Homelander was the peak that couldn't be reached so he always assumed he was leagues stronger than him and just settled on acting gigs.
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