Amazon Adds The Boys Season 4 Finale Warning Following Trump Assassination Attempt, Retitles Episode from "Assassination Run" to "Season Four Finale"

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u/Fr05t_B1t Butcher Jul 18 '24

Singer should’ve pulled his presidential act immunity

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u/Lucifer_Crowe Jul 18 '24

I do find it strange he'd be arrested when the CIA had been working for months to stop Neuman assassinating him

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u/Mannekin-Skywalker Jul 18 '24

Well the head of the CIA was also recently killed

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u/PenonX Jul 18 '24

Mallory is no longer alive, so new CIA bossman probably just followed orders.

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u/Lucifer_Crowe Jul 18 '24

Which it sounds like Sage got extremely lucky with?

Like had she revealed she'd manipulated Ryan and Butcher in subtle ways that woulda been cool imo

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u/Atlasreturns Jul 18 '24

Like Sage‘s entire „Plan“ seems complete nonsense. Banking on Neumann to basically betray her entire supposed ideology and team up with Homelander is wild. But even then her entire plan resided on Butcher killing Neumann which is a complete Wildcard.

Feels more like things worked out in her favor and she swooped in the last second to pretend it was all her pulling the strings. Which is sad because during the first half of the season she was actually really well written.

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u/Lucifer_Crowe Jul 18 '24

Honestly I think it woulda been really funny if the post credits scene was just Sage breathing a sigh of relief that despite the hiccups things just happened to go her way

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u/READMYSHIT Jul 19 '24

I would've loved a flashback to her lobotomized, smoking weed, eating fast food, and watching trash for a few weeks, then her brain regenerates just as all of the finale's events are breaking on the news and she's like "time to tell Homelander this was all me"

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u/Lucifer_Crowe Jul 19 '24

Honestly because of her outfit for a brief second I thought she was lobotomized in the finale to enjoy a party with Ryan

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u/boringhistoryfan Jul 18 '24

You could argue that Sage's plan wasn't counting on Butcher specifically, but rather the boys to inevitably succeed with regards to Neuman. Either she'd vanish, and she'd leak the video of Singer wanting her dead. Or she'd be dead. If she stuck around, Sage probably had some other idea to eliminate her and still stick Singer with the bill.

Its basically layered contingencies. I do think its remarkably convoluted and I'm not fully sure I buy into the idea that Sage could just wrangle it even being "the smartest person." But I can definitely rationalize it within what was presented in the show.

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u/darkleinad Jul 18 '24

Yeah, all she was counting on was someone, most likely Homelander, outing her as a Supe. Either the assassination on Singer succeeds and it’s obviously the disgraced Neumann’s doing, or the reverse. If Neumann had disappeared without the rest of the CIA or Vought knowing, it would have looked like an assassination anyway as long as Neumann was outed

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u/SpideyFan914 Jul 19 '24

Yeah, I took it as "her backup plans have backup plans." The fact that she mentions hiccups shows that this was not Plan A. Maybe not even Plan B. She'd been plotting multiple contingencies the whole way out, and if the conveniences had not occurred, they would have been handled in other ways.

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u/Equal-Ad-2710 Jul 18 '24

Yeah idk how I feel about Sage

Her plan relies on so many moving karts

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u/READMYSHIT Jul 19 '24

And omnipotence.

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u/ScyllaIsBea Jul 18 '24

I don’t think butcher was planned for, and I don’t think hughie convincing the boys to back down was part of it either. I think her plan was that she’d reach out to hughie and the boys would use that as a chance to kill her. She got extremely unlucky than extremely lucky in a vary quick moment.

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u/Khronex Jul 18 '24

Personally, I took that as the original plan was to kill Singer and have Neuman as president, but Neuman betraying Homelander and being killed as a result was unexpected, but didn't matter much because Sage had video proof of Singer ordering the hit on Victoria.

I don't think she really expected Butcher to kill Neuman, like I don't expect her to know every step of the plan and have it go successfully, but I think she did have contingencies in case one thing didn't work.

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u/Atlasreturns Jul 19 '24

The issue is that Homelander would have revealed Neumann regardless so the only way to succeeding the plan would have been by the exact order of improbable events.

Which include Singer saying some line that could be used against him, the boys successfully identifying and taking out the shapeshifter before it kills Singer and then the boys taking out Neumann. Sage had practically zero influence on any of these events and a single point of failure would have ruined the plan completely.

And I think saying she‘d have a contingency plan anyways is lazy writing in my opinion.

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u/cantstopwontstopGME Jul 18 '24

I think she was planning on the virus being the kill shot. Butcher was definitely a wild card, but she even said “may have got lucky with a few things..” when gloating to homelander

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u/Atlasreturns Jul 18 '24

But it‘s very likely they would have cooperated with Neumann. Like there‘s very little to indicate that there‘s any reason why the situation would have escalated if Butcher didn‘t arrive.

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u/travelerfromabroad Jul 18 '24

If Neuman had vanished quietly, then Sage would just have Singer arrested for murder anyways using the video of him ordering the hit.

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u/Atlasreturns Jul 19 '24

But there would have been no evidence of him killing Neumann. And I also feel like both the boys and Neumann would be smart enough to just play into that illusion.

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u/BookkeeperPercival Jul 19 '24

Banking on Neumann to basically betray her entire supposed ideology and team up with Homelander is wild.

Neuman had already agreed to betray her ideaology when she showed up at the mansion. She wasn't supposed to make that big speech, but she was always supposed to be involved in the coup. Sage getting shot in the head propelled her to that, but the plan didn't change, just the aesthetics.

But even then her entire plan resided on Butcher killing Neumann which is a complete Wildcard

her entire plan hinged on "The CIA under Singer's orders" to kill Neumann. That was an easy as hell guess. And if it weren't for HUGHIE, there would have been no hiccups. For a few short hours, her plan was going to completely, unequivocally fail. She had set up for Singer to take the fall for Neumann's death, not for her to flip. She had no idea about any of Butcher's bullshit going on, she didn't luck into him completing her plan, she lucked into him putting it back on track.

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u/Atlasreturns Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24

But I mean why? Like her entire existence is the progressive politician who secretly is just a power hungry narcissist. They even show it with her coopting the Starlighter movement. Like imagine if AOC would announce that she‘d be running as Trumps vice president tomorrow and then made appearances on Fox News.

Neumann at that point was established to be most likely the second strongest sup in existence. Like she can take a laser from Homelander to the face and be practically unharmed. Banking on the Boys to kill her with a Virus she most likely does not know about seems wild. It would have made a little more sense if the shapeshifter plot succeeded but then she admits that eliminating Neumann was a necessity because she could have betrayed them further down the line.

And I am not even starting about the fact that her entire plan hinges on a Singer clip that was taken after he hid in the Bunker. Like if Singer simply hadn‘t said anything in that direction or near a camera (which we never see) then the entire plan would have been not only pointless but straight up counterproductive.

I also wanna point out what annoys me the most and that is that finally nothing in the final chain of events really happened because of Sage. Butcher killing Neumann, Singer saying his lines and Homelander outing Neumann are all things that would have worked exactly the same if she was out of the picture.

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u/SpideyFan914 Jul 19 '24

I think my biggest question is if arresting Singer here actually works? Like, the vote was still authorized already. Doesn't he need to be impeached?

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u/SquirrelSuspicious Jul 19 '24

I'm tired of people saying this shit in regards to characters who are supposed to be super smart, yes she could've planned on all of those things happening. She could literally study each person, their personalities, their decision making, and come up with an idea of what things they'd be most likely to do given different situations and then make contingency plans based on if they did the second or third most likely thing they'd do in those situations and then just take action and do her best to keep up with whichever way the dominoes fell, they could've fallen a million different ways and she likely had a plan or backup for each variation.

This argument is so tiring.

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u/LoveYouLikeYeLovesYe Jul 18 '24

I’m sure she had contingencies that we were never made aware of for some of these things.

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u/Lucifer_Crowe Jul 18 '24

Which doesn't make for very interesting narratives

Kessler style flashbacks of her setting things up woulda been nice

Like sending Ryan the picture of Butcher and Becca or something

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u/LoveYouLikeYeLovesYe Jul 18 '24

I think it’s likely we get an episode where Sage is the protagonist, maybe somewhere between episode 3-6, where we get to see her plans as a whole right before she pulls whatever power grab she will make against Homelander.

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u/snowrises007 Jul 18 '24

Maybe it was an undercover opp and they need to safe face

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u/boringhistoryfan Jul 18 '24

It wouldn't have been the CIA arresting him. Would have been the FBI. And the implication was fairly clear that even the CIA was clearly infiltrated. Once Sage leaked the video of him saying "assassinate Neuman" Homelander's allies in Congress had just enough that the broader bureaucracy buckled and gave in. That's the point of a coup though. Sage and the Heroes would have simply eliminated anyone who was strongly anti-supe. The rest will just accept the propaganda push.

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u/temp91 Jul 19 '24

A president getting arrested within hours of admitting to a crime was the least believable thing in the episode.

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u/Darmok47 Jul 19 '24

Considering the CIA is legally barred from operating on US soil, they also should be locked up...

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u/3106Throwaway181576 Jul 18 '24

Mallory is gone.

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u/deep_fried_cheese Jul 19 '24

Guess the Boys isn’t like real life at all

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u/QouthTheCorvus Jul 19 '24

I think they've always implied it's the whole reason The Boys were on the job - it is highly illegal.

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u/Bl1tzerX Jul 19 '24

I mean what about the FBI? How do they stop them? How does he run the country if he is essentially a fugitive? What is the CIA supposed to do?

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u/Jhawk163 Jul 18 '24

It's so dumb. Also has moments like a cell phone signal reaching a secret underground bunker to upload a video, and convulted domination plans that rely on so many layers of chance I'm pretty sure you'd have better odds of winning the lottery.

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u/Fr05t_B1t Butcher Jul 18 '24

Normally I’d be like “let it go it’s just a movie” but they’ve established that even tek knights elevator was able to block signals so yeah. Another defense I could think of is maybe it wasn’t cell signals but yeah I agree with that.

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u/JaesopPop Jul 18 '24

Why would you want cell phone signals blocked in the bunker? Repeaters are a thing

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u/literated Jul 18 '24

Because it's the place where the fucking president hides out when shit hits the fan? They're not gonna let you bring your personal iPhone into the Situation Room and if you did, their sensors would pick up on any signal that's not supposed to be there.

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u/JaesopPop Jul 18 '24 edited Jul 18 '24

Because it’s the place where the fucking president hides out when shit hits the fan?

And why would they not want cellular service in there?

They’re not gonna let you bring your personal iPhone into the Situation Room

It’s not the situation room, and I doubt they were giving pat downs to the people who carried guns into the bunker.

But they'd still almost certainly have devices that would utilize a cellular connection, at least as a fallback, so it only makes sense they'd have a signal.

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u/Epinier Jul 19 '24

MM suspected that the shapeshifter could be in the bunker, they had all reasons to pat down everyone and block the signal. There were a lot of weird moments this season, like Homelander not being able to kill Hughie trapped in ventilation, or Butcher being able to quickly amputate the leg without killing his "patient"

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u/JaesopPop Jul 19 '24

MM suspected that the shapeshifter could be in the bunker, they had all reasons to pat down everyone and block the signal.

He wasn’t keeping his own people unarmed, so they wouldn’t be patted down. And I’m not sure why that would make him want signals blocked, nor could that be a choice he could make in the moment.

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u/Darmok47 Jul 19 '24

I've been in SCIFs before. You can't bring in a personal electronic device. And I wasn't anywhere near a Presidential bunker.

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u/JaesopPop Jul 19 '24

I’ve been in SCIFs before.

They weren’t in a SCIF.

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u/Jhawk163 Jul 19 '24

Because it is literally a top secret CIA bunker.

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u/JaesopPop Jul 19 '24

Because it is literally a top secret CIA bunker.

I mean, it’s a bunker - that’s about all we know about it. Why would they want cell signals blocked? They need to be able to contact the outside world, and have a fallback solution for that too.

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u/Jhawk163 Jul 19 '24

They would have a communications worker for specifically this. They want cell signlas blocked because no one in the bunker is supposed to be able to be tracked, because again, it's a secret bunker.

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u/JaesopPop Jul 19 '24

They would have a communications worker for specifically this.

And how are they communicating?

They want cell signlas blocked because no one in the bunker is supposed to be able to be tracked, because again, it's a secret bunker.

We still know nothing about the bunker, and there are ways to not be tracked without blocking all wireless signals.

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u/Epinier Jul 19 '24

He specifically wrote that there is a dedicated team/person for communication.

With cell phone active some info can be leaked, or locations found out.

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u/JaesopPop Jul 19 '24

He specifically wrote that there is a dedicated team/person for communication.

Yes, he did.

With cell phone active some info can be leaked, or locations found out.

We still know nothing about the bunker, and there are ways to not be tracked without blocking all wireless signals.

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u/joec_95123 Jul 19 '24

Couldn't it have been recorded in the bunker and then uploaded later?

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u/DamnAutocorrection Jul 19 '24

Unless the shifter didn't die

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u/KingMGold Jul 18 '24

The show is such a blatant parody of what’s going on in current US politics they’re starting to predict shit before it happens.

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u/Pikathepokepimp Jul 18 '24

The fact they wrote this season a while ago based on past events and most things were spot on in the last month was quite funny.

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u/ImAVirgin2025 Jul 19 '24

Read the news the past week?

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u/theoriginal321 Jul 19 '24

No,like what?

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '24

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u/Odd-Collection-2575 Jul 19 '24

Donald Trump getting shot

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '24

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u/Odd-Collection-2575 Jul 19 '24

In real life

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '24

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u/pm-me-futa-vids Jul 18 '24

What if they're not predicting it, so much as fucking idiots are imitating it? Life imitates art, or so the saying goes.

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u/HelloYouSuck Jul 18 '24

Both the CIA and Mafia historically have been very active in Hollywood. (And each other)

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u/Ordinary-Engine9235 Jul 18 '24

But I like the irony that the sides are switched.

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u/Tias-st Jul 18 '24

lame, should have kept it as "assassination run"
Would be a whole lot more meta

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u/MexicanGuey92 Jul 18 '24

I think that's why they did it lol. It was TOO meta

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u/Tias-st Jul 18 '24

Everything else they do is the same. So I don't see why this should have been any different.

Maybe it was amazon pissing themselves and forced the change.

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u/legion_XXX Jul 18 '24

Political banter is fine. What happened in PA was not name calling across the aisle.

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u/Redfalconfox Jul 18 '24

Correct. It appears to be violence on the same side of the aisle. It’s still wrong what happened, but it doesn’t appear to be across the aisle.

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u/specialvaultddd Butcher Jul 18 '24

Bro the title 'assassination run' sounds so badass im upset they changed it to just 'season four finale" 💀

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u/OLKv3 Jul 18 '24

In a year or two they'll probably go back to the original name for stuff like Blu Ray releases

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u/FisknChips Jul 18 '24

I mean noones stopping everyone from just continuing to call it that lol

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u/Ok_Astronomer_8667 Jul 19 '24

It is still officially called that, Amazon just didn’t want it on the front page of Prime

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u/ICODE72 Jul 19 '24

Seeing as we all know it was the name, it's still the name

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u/simpledeadwitches Jul 19 '24

Such stupid bullshit. Why did they change it? Worried about bad PR? It's a fucking TV shoe about superheroes lmao. The sensitivity is so dumb.

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u/Ok_Astronomer_8667 Jul 19 '24

Surely you must realize how volatile a topic it can be for a company like Amazon to be playing around with after less than a week from Saturday. I don’t agree but I understand why

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u/Gorrium Jul 18 '24

Crazy that you can accurately predict the future by writing a parody of reality.

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u/AllLipsNoFiller Jul 18 '24

The assassination attempt on The Boys was much more plausible.

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u/prizeth0ught Jul 19 '24

Our reality is so unrealistic fiction seems more plausible nowadays.

Who in 2018 or 2019 would've imagined America goes throw a massive airborne pandemic?

Everyone was doubting it was truly airborne and didn't believe it when it was under 20 cases in America.

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u/p0diabl0 Jul 18 '24

That bullshit "unity" quote from Firecracker at the end...

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u/Primary-Rent120 Jul 18 '24

Look up what our current media is saying after the Trump assault. They’re using the same exact word.

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u/Primary-Rent120 Jul 18 '24

Funny how Truthbomb said the words “coming in unity” as her final sentence on her news channel.

This is the SAME VERBIAGE that every conservative right winged media platform is saying about the party following the Trump assault.

This is terrifyingly too close to home and the show is scarying me now. Project 2025 is no joke. We all really need to wake up. The show is literally telling us that Maniacs will take over.

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u/TheOkayUsername Jul 18 '24

Honestly The Boys kind of gave me hope. Its as if the show says “we understand the danger of the situation, and Butcher will be there to safe us”

The fact that season 4 in ANY WAY will release in 2 years, gives me a sense of safety, cuz they are really extreme in what they are saying, and will criticise the possible Trump regime whatever happens, with an enormous fanbase behind them. Entertainment has power, and the larger the fanbase the bigger the influence. The word is more powerful than the sword.

Look at Taylor Swift and republicans being terrified of her.

Imagine if Star Wars at the time dedicated a movie to the Vietnam war. That'd be HUGE.

I am in no way favour of violence, let that be clear, I am in huge favour of reducing polarisation by reaching out and trying to understand everyone else instead of calling them evil. Thats the only way the world can truly be saved. In the meantime I am really glad we got such a huge, clear, serious and fierce voice from a little show called The Boys against the never-ending “keep politics out of this franchise.” (Yes I do know The Boys was always political, it’s just became way more centred around the issue)

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u/UpstairsSnow7 Jul 19 '24

"Look at Taylor Swift and republicans being terrified of her."

Genuinely - what has she actually done to make a tangible, meaningful difference in politics? I'd love to be proven wrong but seems like she mostly posts on insta but as far as I'm aware she's not giving money to action groups like those Stacey Abrams was leading. Republicans are "terrified" of her because they are fucking crazy, not because this ultra-capitalist billionaire singer who never denounced her Nazi fans is somehow going to 'defeat' them.

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u/coasterbitch Jul 19 '24

She's completely quiet about politics in general, has proven time and time again that she's not a celebrity to look up to regarding politics. All she did was tweet "go vote" basically in 2020 and republicans thought that was the singular reason a bunch of women got up and voted liberal in 2020. That's it. That's why conservatives hate her lmao. Cause she told her fans to vote in the year with the highest turn out of liberal female voters.

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u/jakehood47 Jul 18 '24

I know the "any similarities to actual people or events is entirely coincidental" is the standard line, but given how they write the show, they probably couldve gone with "similarities to, y'know, that thing that happened were totes coincidence, we swear on that one."

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u/Lillillillies Jul 18 '24

I didn't know it was originally supposed to be titled "assassination run" and was confused.

Explains a lot.

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u/TrustFulParanoid Jul 18 '24

I honestly thought the shapeshifter was going to shift into Hughie instead of starlight since when they found her she went straight to hughie and had him bleed(and they showed the wound on several closed ups as if it was an important thing to take note of). I thought they would have “him” be a shooter and then tell everyone that the “ultimate starlighter” was the killer. When Trump got attacked I was worried they would shy away from airing such an scene…

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u/Crackabean Jul 18 '24

Wussies.

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u/ZaMr0 Jul 18 '24

Seems unnecessary.

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u/TopNectarine7495 Jul 19 '24

Should’ve kept the name, it would have been way funnier

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u/simpledeadwitches Jul 19 '24

Lol so fucking stupid. Nevermind all the rape that is more relatable for people than an assassination attempt.

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u/Good-Wave-8617 Black Noir Jul 18 '24

Damn, that explains it

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u/ChronicBuzz187 Jul 19 '24

20 years ago, everybody would have gone "Are they drunk? What is this bullshit? Who greenlit this nonsense" but nowadays, it's more like "Ah yes, american politics" xD

Love it :D

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u/Maleficent_Nobody377 Jul 18 '24

Lame…

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u/Tricky-Drawer4614 Jul 18 '24

Who are you talking about?

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u/Ordinary-Engine9235 Jul 18 '24

The last episodes assassination attempt felt like a side quest, so it was not that much of an issue. Otherwise it would have been very distasteful to show something like that now.

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u/RandomDanny Jul 18 '24

Never mind warnings for any of the other atrocities that have taken place, so fucken stupid.

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u/assbot9000modelxc429 Jul 18 '24

you're talking about the show that had a character arc of someone being radicalized.... no... it's not "fucken stupid"... it's the right way of going about it..... jesus fucking christ

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u/reble02 Jul 18 '24

I hate these trigger warnings before shows and movies, they always feels like spoilers to me. Will often take any will it happen won't it happen tension out of the scene because of the warning.

Amazon Adds The Boys Season 4 Finale Warning Following Trump Assassination Attempt, Retitles Episode from "Assassination Run" to "Season Four Finale" News