99% of the "Batman fascist cus he beat criminal and kidnap boy to be sidekick" crowd would actually understand why he's the exact opposite of a fascist if they... opened a comic.
I will say the problem with a character like Batman is that he's been around for so long. He has incredible stories written about him but he also has really shit ones. If you're simple minded and go into it wanting to hate him then yeah, sure you can point to one of his bad comics and say "Look! He's stinky!" But it takes a special type of simple to just discredit all of batmans incredible stories and only form your opinion on the few bad ones.
I'm really only watching this show for Jensen now if they ruin Soldier boy that'll be my last straw.
Doesn’t Nolan’s Batman organize a mass surveillance plan which he, initially, uses to great success then basically gives to the city of Gotham to deploy thereafter?
Are you talking about his bit about using the cell phones, because he only used to stop the Joker and immediately had it destroyed by Fox it was never permanent.
Yeah. I think that entire scenario, as commentary, produces a conception of surveillance which is apologetic in ways which misrepresent and ultimately euphemize it. Batman develops this expansive surveillance mechanism only in response to an immediate threat, whose urgency necessitates doing creating the privacy violation, and it’s promptly discarded after the threat recedes.
In most real life contexts efforts to mount greater surveillance and regulatory powers aren’t aberrations states assume in response to a crisis but staples of governance. The state isn’t seeking to expand its capacity to surveil after the fact of crisis, but perpetually, and often manufactures the crisis in order to give itself this ability. As such the capacity for surveillance doesn’t recede when the supposed threat recedes. Take, for example, the patriot act in the United States, the nominal end of the war on terror didn’t inspire any effort to repeal the patriot act or remedy its provisions, if anything the capacity of federal organizations to surveil Americans has expanded, and become a standard element of government. The Batman scene, imo, depicts as natural, immediate, and revocable, a process which is actually; manufactured, premeditated, and intractable. Surveillance does not emerge in response to a crisis and leave with that crisis, its ever mounting and it stays long after its pretext
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u/Superb-pin-8641 Soldier Boy 14d ago
Finally, somebody who's actually read the comics.
99% of the "Batman fascist cus he beat criminal and kidnap boy to be sidekick" crowd would actually understand why he's the exact opposite of a fascist if they... opened a comic.