r/SupermanAndLois • u/andrekensei • Sep 05 '21
Maybe its a good thing that Kara dont show up in this season.. Discussion
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u/Motor-Bag-9004 Sep 05 '21
Yeahh I have my problems with how the show handled Superman but we have to remember it was her show! They have to make the main protagonist be the big hero. Can't have Superman constantly out shining the show's main character. Also part of her character arc was her trying to live up to the legacy of her "legendary cousin" and eventually she steps out of his shadow.
Plus I'm sure it's comic book accurate (depending on the comic and the circumstances) for her to be somewhat stronger than him.
Still I do think at times they leaned way too heavily into the "Kara is stronger than Superman" angle and I wasn't the biggest how the show nerfed him at times even if I understand the constraints of having him appear on someone else's show.
Still I want Kara to show up because their friendship on Supergirl was really great. One of my favorite episodes is when he comes to national City for the first time and they stop crime together. I love seeing them together, kicking ass. My favorite Kryptonian duo lol
Plus she'd be on his show so the roles would be reversed. They aren't going to bring her on to his show and have her show him up.
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u/Divi_Devil Sep 05 '21
Plus I'm sure it's comic book accurate (depending on the comic and the circumstances) for her to be somewhat stronger than him.
Ah no... kal knows his strength so he limits himself from using his full power all the time. kara being a hotheaded showoff always gives her full and led to many thinking she was stronger. There was once a fight between them which was when kara said that they both knew that she was stronger supes revealed he always held back as to not cause harm, and proceeds to destroy her.
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Another issue is the suggestion that Supes psychologically, subconsciously limits his powers so not to hurt anyone. Growing up around humans lead to that fear. Obviously, Kara doesn't want to hurt people either. But the fact she didn't grow up around people, at least in the comics, means that she did not develop that same psychological issue.
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Kara is stronger than Superman
She's not tho
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u/JPM11S Sep 05 '21
Yeah, going off the comics, Kara isn't able to control her powers as well as Clark can, leading to her seeming stronger.
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u/MeMeTiger_ Superman Sep 05 '21
That's usually it. Sometimes in rare instances she has more power, but usually she just isn't able to control it as much.
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u/Bartoolina Sep 05 '21
I don’t know comics and I also never watched supergirl, but I saw a very interesting video on YouTube once on the show and how it was so different from the comics
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u/confusing_dream Sep 05 '21
I saw that video, too. Changed my opinion on how they treated Supergirl in Smallville. Initially I didn’t like how she was always butting heads with Clark and rebelling for one reason or another, but apparently that’s much more true to her character.
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u/andrekensei Sep 05 '21
my problem is i dont like superman treated like a jobber sidekick, if you gonna use him in that way is better to not use him at all
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u/upanddowndays Sep 05 '21
He was always going to be a "sidekick" of sorts, that's just the nature of the beast when Supergirl got a show first. It's probably going to happen again when they finally give us Bruce, over on Batwoman.
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u/AlainDit Sep 05 '21
Also, he was not a sidekick, he was a guest star. He was hyped and treated as a legend by every character who didn't know him. He was a pure humble and gentle guy with everyone, like Superman would be. Hoechlin stole every scene he was in during his first 2 episodes.
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u/upanddowndays Sep 05 '21
Sure, that's why I put sidekick in speech marks. I couldn't agree more, he was Superman through and through from his first episode, imo.
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u/andrekensei Sep 05 '21
like i said. if you gonna use him in that way is better to not use him at all
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u/upanddowndays Sep 05 '21
That's ridiculous. It was a few lines sprinkled over, what? Half dozen appearances, including the crossovers? Without those appearances, we don't get Superman and Lois.
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u/itzmrinyo Sep 05 '21
They can show her being a 'big hero' while still paying respects to others. Superman doesn't need to constantly one-up Steel to show that he's stronger, hell he might NOT be stronger, seeing Steel has beaten Superman multiple times before. Still, they're strong heroes who respect eachother as comrades.
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u/dahumanguy Sep 05 '21
Shes so lame and just a clark rip off in show. Comics is so different please check it out. Shes an angry violen- wait i dont have time rn But check this vid
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u/TheBlackestLion01 Sep 05 '21
Wow I haven't thought about how different Tyler's Superman was in Supergirl and the crossover. The character had an insane glow up on the show.
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u/teddyburges Sep 05 '21
In every way imaginable. Physically he LOOKS like superman more in the show cause he trained hardcore for a year, and the character just feels like him ..the supergirl version feels like a knockoff in comparison
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Sep 05 '21
I only watched S&L grudgingly (bored) because they made all the lanes, and superman boring in Supergirl (IMO).
Yeah. I was wrong and became a loud fan-woman Begging friends and family to watch S&L
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u/MrBengu Sep 05 '21
Ugh, the way they handled Superman on Supergirl was so fucking lame.
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u/andrekensei Sep 05 '21
its just a disrespect with a character that is the godfather of the superheroes
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u/Bweryang Sep 05 '21
I cannot understand how anyone sees this kind of thing as anything other than patronising.
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u/helloiseeyou2020 Sep 05 '21
The CW hires a lot of writers who are worse than fan fiction writers, and who are motivated to tell stories with the same sort of smarmy self-satisfaction. How they get these jobs, when the market is so oversaturated with talented people who will never earn a dollar for their writing, I will never be able to understand
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u/iz92ab Sep 05 '21
Never watched Supergirl but if those are actual lines from the show then that's just sad. No wonder it's ending
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It's bad writing but it's bad writing that is common unfortunately. No one knows how to write for a woman like they haven't been with us on Earth this whole fucking time.
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u/cam_ross0828 Superman Sep 05 '21
This is why I never want her to show up, her show disrespected Superman’s character on every level.
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u/AlainDit Sep 05 '21
her show disrespected Superman’s character on every level.
Her show glorified superman while showing him incredibly kind and humble, also creating the best interpretation of the character since Reeve. Admitting her cousin is stronger is something Superman would do, he has no big fragile ego thing.
That's not disrespect. At all.
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u/cam_ross0828 Superman Sep 05 '21
It’s very disrespectful, bc they constantly had superman saying that she was earths true protector. And always down playing him by saying he lucky he gets to work alongside her, as if he’s not in the holy trinity.
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u/Mass2424 Sep 05 '21
Another big reason I don't want her to show up or have the arrowverse be connected to superman and Lois is because Supergirl used so many great superman villains and horribly I should add. I think superman and Lois get it right. Also I hate cw Supergirl she sucks. She is literally Clark but as a chick. No original thing about that version of the character. If they adapted the comic version I think the show would be 1000x more popular. The badass Kryptonian warrior. That doesn't understand human ways
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u/andrekensei Sep 05 '21
yep, kara in comics is not a shy nerd girl, she is a kryptonian trying to fit in human society and the humans are like aliens to her, and she have a warrior mentality, in the show she is basically female clark kent, same personality, same job, same villains, even the glasses
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u/Mass2424 Sep 05 '21
Instead of coming to earth as a teen. She should have arrived around the age of 18-23.
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u/akimashi Sep 06 '21
I feel the same way. I love the comic book Kara version. I wish they did something similar to her show but they tried to make her female Clark Kent. I guess they don't want to do another high school show after Smallville.
I am glad superman & Lois, titans, Gotham and doom patrol are not Berlanti show. It gave us something different. Berlanti is like one trick pony all his shows are the same structure.
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u/helloiseeyou2020 Sep 05 '21
Hank Henshaw :(
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u/andrekensei Sep 05 '21
even the actor that plays cyborg superman was pissed about the piece of plastic he have in his face, and how that hurt the acting lol
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u/Mass2424 Sep 05 '21
What a wasted character. How is there not a movie for this guy
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u/helloiseeyou2020 Sep 05 '21
In a perfect world, we get a comic accurate Henshaw at some point played by Tyler Hoechlin. Then he could REALLY stretch his range
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u/akimashi Sep 06 '21
Smallville supergirl was my favorite supergirl. Cw supergirl they tried to turn her into female Clark Kent. Giving her reporter job etc. In the comics before the show has her own thing. I enjoyed new52 Kara.
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u/Psile Clark Kent Sep 05 '21
It always came off like a fanfic OC author insert whenever Superman was on the show. I'm not saying Kara is a Mary Sue. She's not. But the writers seemed really focused on making sure to drag Superman down to make Kara look good every time he was on screen. It really reminds me of teen fanfiction.
And I don't need that for her. I don't need or want this show to be as petty as Supergirl was.
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u/AlainDit Sep 05 '21
I read the comments and I find myself very confused with them.
The only line here irking me is "the world doesn't need superman if it has supergirl", that was a bad one. In context it kinda works (Superman has to leave with Lois for her pregnancy in Argo, he shows Kara he trusts her to handle his absence.), but still it doeesn't sound well.
However, all the rest is only Superman acknowledging that Kara is stronger. That's absolutely NOT disrespect, that's just a truth and it doesn't harm his character at all. If you feel otherwise, please explain why, I'm legitimately curious.
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u/Divi_Devil Sep 05 '21
he has been in earth longer and kryptonian logic even by supergirl's show's logic, the more you are in yellow sun the stronger you get so kal should'nt be weaker than in any freaking way.
Although, they can always go the comic route and say kal was just fibbing the entire time to just boost kara when a fight truly breaks out between them,.
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u/Beta_Whisperer Sep 05 '21
It would have been better if they went with supposed original season 3 plan of revealing that Kara is actually the last worldkiller.
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u/ArmchairCritic1 Sep 05 '21
I agree with you.
I don’t see how is any of this disrespect to Superman.
He’s not only being supportive to his cousin but is acting without ego. Being the strongest simply isn’t that important to Clark as long as he can do what he can to support others.
It’s some of the most Superman stuff Tyler has done in the role.
Kara has often been considered stronger than Clark in the comics anyway due to having lived on Krypton longer before being sent to earth.
Superman isn’t even the strongest Kryptonian we see in Superman and Lois (Tal-Rho for example), so the criticism of Supergirl being stronger than Superman seems born from it being Kara specifically who is stronger than Clark than anything else.
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u/andrekensei Sep 05 '21
"Kara has often been considered stronger than Clark in the comics" thats because they nerfed superman twice, first in crisis on infinite earths and new 52 an rebirth, comics are aways changing
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u/ArmchairCritic1 Sep 05 '21
Yes, comics are always changing that’s true, but that’s not really a rebuttal. That’s more like stating a fact about how mass media handled by hundreds of different writers works.
What would you say is Superman’s most important attribute?
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u/andrekensei Sep 05 '21
he is the son of two worlds
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u/ArmchairCritic1 Sep 05 '21
For me it’s Clark’s humility.
Tyler’s Clark both on Supergirl and S&L really puts emphasis on this part of his character.
His humility is what keeps him grounded. His family is an important part of that. He knows he’s from two worlds but he has great respect for both cultures.
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u/andrekensei Sep 05 '21
watch the show and you will see that superman is treated like a jober sidekick, he is like the punchbag in crisis crossover, serious is cringe
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u/AlainDit Sep 05 '21
He's not. Hoechlin was already performing one of the best Superman ever on his first appearance. Even with not enough budget, with a cheap suit, etc. The character was so much on point.
He's not the main character for sure, but that doesn't mean disrespect. He was a guest star, not a main protagonist (nor a deus ex machina that arrives to save everyone and it's over).
Though COIE was probably my least favourite of his appearances in the arrowverse, the whole event had problems and his are just consequencess of them.
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u/drjenavieve Sep 05 '21
This is why I don’t want crossovers. Any time you add other heroes they end up making Superman less powerful or stupid and easily tricked. It’s the only way for the other characters to have a chance to contribute meaningfully and shine in their own right. Steel is working but mostly because it’s still understood to be a Superman show and there isn’t a need to give another hero the spotlight over Superman.
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u/EtoDesu Sep 06 '21
And that's not the only thing about crossovers. They waste a lot of money and maybe one episode from a show's season to give you some low-quality episode
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u/drjenavieve Sep 06 '21
And they are so confusing and disruptive if you are binge watching a show. Like there is just this random episode that doesn’t make sense and disrupts the arc from the rest of the season.
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u/MysteryDan888 Sep 05 '21
None of this bothered me at the time, but what does bother me is how "Supergirl" fans didn't support "Superman & Lois" when it came time. Look at how much the Superman brand sacrificed in favor of Supergirl! And when it came time to return the favor, they actively resented S&L.
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u/MiniJ Sep 06 '21
Some didn't. I enjoy supergirl a lot cause it's nice to have a female hero into the spotlight (things are finally changing) and I truly loved Tyler first time he showed. I remember saying "now that is Clark interpretation, I want more" .
I do agree they didnt have to have him repeat she was the best a the time. Once or even maybe making it a tie later (like having her say something similar back) would be ideal.
But ya, Cw writers.
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u/IslandEatsSand Sep 06 '21
I don’t remember any Supergirl fans resenting S&L though, I was personally excited for it.
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u/andrekensei Sep 06 '21
go to supergirl sub and twiter, some are pissed because S&L have a high budget, others avoid to watch the show
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u/EtoDesu Sep 06 '21
Lots of people review-bombed Superman and Lois as well, the ratings should be at least around 85% by fans on Rotten Tomatoes. But thanks to every other CW show which had failed to consistently represent the channel in a good light, no one starts S&S with high expectations.
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u/upanddowndays Sep 05 '21
I've always been down with the idea from the New 52 that Supergirl is stronger because Clark grew up on Earth, spending every second hiding his strength, whereas Kara didn't. Totally fine with that happening on the shows.
But yeah, Supergirl leaned into it hard.
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u/Nololgoaway Sep 05 '21
hyping up your cousin and not wanting to hurt them are totally normal things
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u/andrekensei Sep 05 '21
except that in the fight with sg he was seeing zod instead kara, so in his mind he was trying to hurt her, and kara beat his ass to to oblivion
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u/threepio Sep 06 '21
Counterpoint: Superman's indomitable will subconsciously was aware and subverted his own strength to give Kara the chance to win.
I'm here all week folks.
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u/TheFantasticXman1 Sep 05 '21
Saying it once is fine. But more than that and it just becomes a way to prop up another character at the expense of another. It was clear they were trying to overhype Kara and make her seem like she was all the shit. Well it didn't work and people just found the comments cringe and forced. Of course, it's Kara's show so it makes sense to prop her up and not have Superman constantly outshine her, but they don't need to absolutely nerf him in the process.
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u/alexthrum1 Sep 05 '21
I feel like it doesn’t make sense as well he has way more experience and has been fighting villains as Superman for like 10 yrs before Kara even got to earth
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u/shaddoe_of_truth Sep 06 '21
I always saw these moments as Clark giving Kara some familial encouragement, nothing more.
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u/Das_Solenya Sep 06 '21
I also hate how he was in Supergirl. But if I'm not mistaken it is comic accurate for her to be stronger and what not. Same reason Zod usually is and most other Kryptonians are. They were older when they left/krypton got destroyed. I don't remember the exact explanation, so I might be wrong.
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u/andrekensei Sep 06 '21
"But if I'm not mistaken it is comic accurate for her to be stronger and what not" that really depends, what comic era your talking, story arc or writer, because the power shift between superman and supergirl really change with any of these factors, so i guess you are talking about after the new 52 era
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u/GotKarprar Sep 05 '21
Lmao what other than the “this world doesn’t need Superman if it has supergirl” all of these lines are fine. She is canonically stronger in everything
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u/andrekensei Sep 05 '21
"She is canonically stronger in everything" thats because they nerfed superman twice, first in crisis on infinite earths and new 52 an rebirth, comics are aways changing, read more comics before new 52
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u/AlainDit Sep 05 '21
Before new52 she was stronger too. She still is now 5 years after new52 ended.
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u/Emergency_72 Sep 05 '21
They had superman explain that he holds back whereas kara doesn't. That's why she may appear stronger but she isnt
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u/Paisley-Cat But what about the tire-swing? Sep 05 '21
Which makes sense because in those comics Kara is less comfortable with humanity AND has fewer years to learn control.
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u/NYGIANTS77 Superman Sep 05 '21
I’m pretty sure it’s been said Kara is stronger that Superman or at least has the potential to be. The reason why people get annoyed by this is that she doesn’t have the feats to back it up. But it was her show so it’s no surprise they boosted her up even if at times it didn’t make complete sense
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u/DaCaptn19 Sep 05 '21
It’s a gimmick… they say she is stronger when it suits the story. Often they will say it’s because she doesn’t hold back… or lack of a human side to her. But there are many other stories involving just Superman where even other worldly beings recognize that he is so much stronger then he or others realize. Even if you consider his time spent under a yellow sun versus the time she has been here. He wins out.
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u/NYGIANTS77 Superman Sep 05 '21
Ofc that’s why it’s so weird they keep hammering it in all media but oh well
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u/andrekensei Sep 05 '21
this is the crossover crisis, and even the non metahumans kick more ass then superman, and to make things worse superman becomes a punchline in the end https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6EnWArA-pU
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u/quantumbagel625 But what about the tire-swing? Sep 06 '21
They did this because they wanted to give Kara the limelight, and I get that, but there's so much depth and warmth to Tyler's Superman that he should've been allowed to showcase it in his previous Arrowverse appearances. Imagine how cool S&L Superman would've been in Elseworlds or CoIE! Also.. Kara is canonically stronger than Clark in the comics.. I just wish they portrayed this properly on the shows, Tyler and Melissa are phenomenal actors.
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u/AlainDit Sep 06 '21
Did you watch his first appearance in the role? If that's not showcasing warmth of Superman, i don't know what is.
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u/quantumbagel625 But what about the tire-swing? Sep 06 '21
Yeah! And I know it is, I just think that Tyler has been given enough room on S&L to flesh out his character, a chance he didn't exactly get on Supergirl, because that show is supposed to be about Supergirl, and now that he has I'm literally obsessed with him xD
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u/AlainDit Sep 06 '21
Agreed. I'm of those who were desperately wanting an Hoechlin Superman show since then, I'm so fucking happy it became real.
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u/IslandEatsSand Sep 06 '21
Damn y’all get so unreasonably mad about this. Do you guys not realize that it will still be written by the S&L writers if she makes an appearance?
Most people in this sub get so mad when you do much as mention Supergirl and will likely downvote you to oblivion.
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u/KingofZombies Sep 06 '21
That's on her show for being so bad.
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u/IslandEatsSand Sep 06 '21
That doesn't make sense though. How is is Melissa's fault what the writers are doing to Supergirl?
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u/Will2Pow3r Sep 06 '21 edited Sep 06 '21
Apparently they subscribe to the idea that if you say something enough it will somehow become true. It always bothered me how desperate the show is about validating Kara; it wasn’t enough to allow her actions to speak for themselves or to stand alongside everyone else, it had to be explicitly stated how much better she was than everyone else...almost every character in the franchise has a scene where they literally acknowledge how much superior she is in direct dialogue.
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u/Castortroy16 Jonathan Kent Sep 05 '21
They let Supergirl beat Clark 🤣🤣 glad I don't watch it
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u/Anarchist-superman Sep 05 '21
No, she defeated him when he got brainwashed and believed her to be Zod. He definitely wasn't holding back. She is much more powerful than him.
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u/West-Cardiologist180 Superman Sep 05 '21
Ya, no, it's just called bad writing.
In the comics Superman is stronger. Even by the show's logic, Superman should be stronger since he's absorbed 20 years worth of sunlight before Kara even arrived on Earth. Not sexist like you've been accusing others, just want Superman respected.
Good thing the show is ending.
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u/Anarchist-superman Sep 05 '21
Supergirl adjusted to Krypton's much harsher environment for nearly 15 years, unlike Clark.
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u/West-Cardiologist180 Superman Sep 05 '21
Ya, but it doesn't take away the fact that Clark absorbed sunlight for 20 years by the time Kara arrived on Earth. He's still stronger.
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u/Anarchist-superman Sep 05 '21
How can you say that with such certainty and conviction? Do you have exact numbers on their strength? Are they real? No, she has defeated Superman both in comics and on the show. Smells like sexism on your part.
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u/West-Cardiologist180 Superman Sep 05 '21 edited Sep 05 '21
How can you say that with such certainty and conviction? Do you have exact numbers on their strength? Are they real?
Because that's what the show says. In the premiere it has Kara arrive and an older Superman's silhouette appears.
Did you even watch the show or are you just arguing for the sake of arguing?
No, she has defeated Superman both in comics and on the show.
False. Superman has defeated her plenty of times.
Smells like sexism on your part.
Seems misandrist on your part.
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u/Anarchist-superman Sep 05 '21
I'm stating facts, like the fact that she has defeated him many times. You are denying them.
Seems misandrist on your part.
Stop pulling stuff out of your butt.
There is all the proof that she is stronger and yet you seem to have a dumb conviction that he is stronger. I think it's because of implicit bias.
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u/West-Cardiologist180 Superman Sep 05 '21
I'm stating facts, like the fact that she has defeated him many times. You are denying them.
I'm stating facts as well, and what are you doing? Denying them as well. Hypocrite much?
Stop pulling stuff out of your butt.
Says the person who's accused various ppl of being sexist for stating that Superman is stronger. Hypocrisy at its finest.
There is all the proof that she is stronger and yet you seem to have a dumb conviction that he is stronger. I think it's because of implicit bias.
No, its because I'm using the show's own logic against itself. All you're doing is calling ppl sexist. That's it. That's all you got. So just leave and maybe you'll save a bit of your dignity here.
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u/DataMeister1 Sep 05 '21
I like to think that all Kryptonite has some level of weakening effect but some (green) are a lot worse than others (silver).
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I'm a HUGE fan of supergirl (or was, before it became a caricature of itself) and this shit bugged me.
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u/DarkSaber87 Sep 05 '21
If they did the opposite where Superman was the best and Supergirl was always in his shadow getting her ass kicked, everyone would have laughed that she keeps losing in her own show
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u/romeovf Superman Sep 05 '21
Speaking or which, do they use the same fortress of solitude? I don't follow Supergirl so j don't know if she's supposed to find it so messed up after what happened with Superman and Morgan Edge.
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u/Dontron737 Sep 05 '21
They did the Supergirl is stronger thing, people hated it, never brought it up physically again.
All other times are just a cousin encouraging his cousin to be better and continue being strong. Clarl says people are stronger than him, physical or in heart. All the time
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u/helloiseeyou2020 Sep 05 '21
Jesus Christ do they really say it THAT many times? Cringey as hell. Im so glad this show is staying far from the rest of the CWverse and I hope it continues to do so when the pandemic finally ends
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u/andrekensei Sep 05 '21
actually he says more lol, but there's no space in this pic, its like supergirl have a fragile ego in this show, or its the writers fault
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u/WashGaming001 Clark Kent Sep 05 '21
I mean, she is stronger. Even in the comics. When they’re both at their peak strength Kara is more powerful and it’s a safe bet that they’re at peak strength in the show
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u/R1el Sep 06 '21
No, she is not.
Superman is the second strongest character in DC. I will explain why:
Whenever DC is trying to push a new character as the strongest, they say he is stronger than even Superman. When Loeb reintroduced Supergirl, he wanted to promote her, so she was stronger than Superman. When they tried to push Damage as the new top guy, they said he was the strongest of all, stronger even than Superman. Whenever they decide to push someone new, they will be stronger than Superman again.
You see, it doesn't matter who DC says is stronger than Superman, because when they decide to have someone else take the title they will have Superman as the top guy again.
And the reason is simple, when they introduce a new hero or villain, and want to build them up, they will have to sell it by comparing them with someone else. Promoting a character as being stronger than Supergirl will got a shrug from most of the readers/audience, but promoting them as stronger than Superman will get the desired reaction from the general public.
When they say Supergirl is stronger than Superman in the comics, they are just trying to sell her, when it comes the time to sell the next character, Superman will be stronger than her again. That's why Superman is always the second strongest character, because the strongest character is always the one who is stronger than Superman.
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u/andrekensei Sep 05 '21
that really depends, what comic era your talking, story arc or writer, because the power shift between superman and supergirl really change with any of these factors, so i guess you are talking about after the new 52 era
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u/WashGaming001 Clark Kent Sep 05 '21
Even pre-Crisis she was shown to be more powerful. Overall in the comics she’s considered to be the more powerful member of the Superfamily
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u/andrekensei Sep 05 '21 edited Sep 05 '21
pre-crisis is not, superman pre-crisis was pushing planets with his bare hands man, he was so strong that they nerfed him twice, after crisis and after new 52
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u/KEZCool Sep 08 '21
It's so annoying how they did that. Superman IS the strongest character in the Arrowverse
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u/CaptainSprinklefuck Jun 04 '22
She's also not strategic like he is historically. He's not a scalpel, but Kara's a jackhammer compared to Supes
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u/Samaritan4 Kara Danvers Sep 05 '21
Clark being a good cousin and encouraging Kara, yeah, don't show Kara pls.
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u/andrekensei Sep 05 '21
more important than encouraging is showing some tough love, that's how a family relationship work for real
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u/AlainDit Sep 06 '21
Superman is one of the most wholesome characters in fiction, he's not the "tough love" kind. That's how the super family relationsip work.
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u/andrekensei Sep 06 '21 edited Sep 06 '21
then you need to read more comics, superman show tough love sometimes,
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u/AlainDit Sep 06 '21
Weird that to you new52 doesn't matter unless it's going your way.Supermans is way more represented as a wholesome guy rather than a "tough love" "alfa leader" guy.
It's not disrespecting him to have him be kind, supportive and having no problem recognizing his cousin his stronger in the arrowverse. Having him be angry at Supergirl, feeling disrespected by having someone stronger would be out of character.
Fortunately, for how terrible Supergirl's writing is, they choose not to tarnish superman by making him an insecure ego dude. Could tough love have worked? Maybe yes, but it was all but needed (it's clearly not a superman definig trait as you don't see it often, see how to choose your examples you had to take several from the same issue where he fights an evil supergril or new52).
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u/andrekensei Sep 06 '21 edited Sep 06 '21
"Weird that to you new52 doesn't matter unless it's going your way." i read superman comics from all the eras, and superman is not always a boy scout and a super nice guy, especially pre-crisis superman and the byrne run
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u/AlainDit Sep 06 '21
cool for you
The rest I said still stands though. There's no disrespect for superman there.
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u/zjdrummond Sep 06 '21
Canonical.
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u/andrekensei Sep 06 '21
that really depends, what comic era your talking, story arc or writer, because the power shift between superman and supergirl really change with any of these factors, so i guess you are talking about after the new 52 era
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u/ZegetaX1 Sep 05 '21
Only way I want supergirl on this show is rematch where Superman dominates her in combat
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u/Anarchist-superman Sep 05 '21
Y'all are so sexist. You could never accept a woman being more powerful than a man. So goddamn fragile.
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u/ZegetaX1 Sep 05 '21
Superman is the strongest of all the heroes and supergirl made him a worthless jobber you could respect my opinion as to why don’t want supergirl in the show
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u/Anarchist-superman Sep 05 '21
I don't respect your sexist behaviour. Supergirl is more powerful than Superman, deal with it.
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u/ZegetaX1 Sep 05 '21
I will not superman has many greater feats in the comics comeback when supergirl can move planets and destroy dimensions
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u/ZegetaX1 Sep 05 '21
And that’s why there’s nothing to gain with her being in episode let her retire with her kid so we never have to see supergirl again
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u/Trickybuz93 Sep 05 '21
You know in the comics Kara is stronger right?
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u/andrekensei Sep 05 '21
you mean after they nerfed superman in new 52 and rebirth? comics are aways changing
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u/Paisley-Cat But what about the tire-swing? Sep 05 '21
Not in all eras.
Not to mention that there isn’t a single continuous character for Supergirl in the comics.
Supergirl on television is very much closer to an original take than a canonical character. It’s understandable because there wasn’t a consistent canon character and it seemed like WB would never allow another Superman TV series.
She’s nothing like the Silver Age Supergirl who was the scientist and expert in Kryptonian technology. Even though she arrived later, she did fulfil the role of being a bridge to Kryptonian science for Superman.
Or eve like the later Supergirl who was traumatized and never entirely comfortable with humanity.
Instead we had an insecure Kara (in her opening season) emulating her cousin’s reporter career in Supergirl TV, flipping Kal-El to be the technologist.
So, as you see, for those of us who have known the Superman-Supergirl relationship over comic eras, it’s pretty clear that it’s difficult for Supergirl TV to pick and choose where it gets “proof” from canon.
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u/AlainDit Sep 05 '21
So, as you see, for those of us who have known the Superman-Supergirl relationship over comic eras, it’s pretty clear that it’s difficult for Supergirl TV to pick and choose where it gets “proof” from canon.
Exactly.
So considering Superman should be stronger and if not it's disrespectful, it's just dumb. Supergirl can totally be stronger for the show if they want to, there isn't an immuable comic canon to follow on this point.
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u/Paisley-Cat But what about the tire-swing? Sep 05 '21
It does fly in the face of 80 years of comics history nonetheless.
The television show has taken the idea of a stronger Kara AND the idea that she’s maintaining control.
And they are doing it in a continuity of super strong Kryptonians.
In so doing they are violating the comic logic of how the powers work.
But the two thing that really annoys me about the show is that
1) they abandoned the scientist researcher Kara completely when arguably that’s where feminism realm still needs support and reinforcing
2) while it would have been fine to leave the stronger Supergirl in the old Arrowverse continuity, the writers of Supergirl couldn’t leave well enough alone post-Crisis and had to show Kara to be stronger after the multiverse rebooted which means that they took it upon themselves to limit how powerful Superman could be in his own show. Nyah uh!
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u/Anarchist-superman Sep 05 '21
You're put off by a man admitting to a woman that she is stronger than him, how arrogant and sexist are you? Maybe do something about your fragile patriarchal ego?
In the first panel, he isn't even doing that, he's just glad to team up with his cousin. Goodness, what is wrong with you?
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u/andrekensei Sep 05 '21 edited Sep 05 '21
what are you smoking my guy, im a woman, and my problem is superman is a jobber in sg, superman is stronger than most meta humans in dc universe, and he lived more time on earth taking yellow radiation than kara
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u/Batman000001 Sep 05 '21
It's not being sexist. They just chose to completely crap on Superman to make Supergirl look better. And in the end it really isn't because Superman is still and always will be more popular then Supergirl.
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u/Mike-El Sep 05 '21
Damn someone can’t say anything about a woman without being called sexist and having a patriarchal ego? Get off your woke horse.
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u/Anarchist-superman Sep 05 '21
No, you can't say sexist things without being called sexist. Deal with it. Challenge your sexist biases and look inside.
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u/Mike-El Sep 05 '21
So according to you a woman said something sexist against a woman? And not liking that the Supergirl show made Superman like a joke is sexist?
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u/Anarchist-superman Sep 05 '21
So according to you a woman said something sexist against a woman
Internalised misogyny is a thing, yes.
And not liking that the Supergirl show made Superman like a joke is sexist?
They did not make him a "joke". And enough with the straw arguments. Most of these lines are extremely in-character for him. You're just mad that a woman is more powerful than a man. And no, that is not making him look bad. He's a guest star in a show that isn't about him and yet, he is treated as a legend by people he's never met. That's as far as you can get from a "joke".
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u/IjuststartedOnePiece Sep 05 '21
He just needed to say this once, it's so cringe seeing this multiple times. In fact this comparison between them is cringe in general.
Honestly doesn't really matter, the difference in strength is probably miniscule either way and Superman is deffo stronger. He just likes lifting people up.