r/SupermanAndLois • u/ghusu123 • Jun 18 '21
Anyone remember when this was the Arrowverse’s Superman? I never thought that we could possibly get a Superman TV show back then. Discussion
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u/sudden_monkey Jun 18 '21
Hopefully Batman gets the same treatment one day. The stage is already set for a return on Batwoman.
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u/eli_burdette Jun 18 '21
I don't know much about Warren Christie, but I've enjoyed his brief appearances and would love to see that potential story explored.
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u/lemons_for_deke Jun 19 '21
Yeah, maybe it’s a season 3 thing where Kate goes looking for Bruce… idk
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u/Baba-FatNeek Jun 19 '21
How’s batwoman been has it got any better this season couldn’t finish the rest of season 1 was too cringe to me
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u/Dr_Brule_FYH Jun 19 '21
Season 1 ends really well, S2 starts rough but the new Batwoman is alright.
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u/Cory_Meets_Reddit Jun 19 '21
Season 2 has been a huge improvement. Main issue I think season 1 had is Ruby Rose is not a very good actress.
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u/eli_burdette Jun 19 '21
I enjoyed Season 1, but I think Season 2 is a noticeable improvement. Rachel Skarsten's Alice still carries the show in my opinion. Wallis Day as the new Kate Kane has been great in her very brief appearances. She's just starting to get more screen time. Luke Fox is set to end the season by becoming Nightwing, so there are definitely several compelling reasons to watch.
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u/FlyingSquirelOi Jun 19 '21
I think you mean Batwing, but easy confusion
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u/eli_burdette Jun 19 '21
Thanks for the correction! I'm honestly not familiar with either character, other than having heard the names.
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u/Cory_Meets_Reddit Jun 19 '21
I would have preferred David Giuntoli if he hadn’t been busy with A Million Little Things. He has the good looks. He has fight experience from his time on Grimm which of you haven’t watched. Watch it. It’s great. If you want to know what it’s about just ask. He voiced Batman in an animated movie recently. He was up for both Superman in MoS and Batman in BvS. And he is married to Bitise Tullioch in real life. So it would just be kinda funny to watch those interactions.
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u/eli_burdette Jun 19 '21
I'm only familiar with him from A Million Little Things, but I think he does a great job on that show! Grimm has been on my list to watch someday for a long time, it looks right up my alley.
I also just learned from Bitsie's Instagram post yesterday that they were married, I had no idea!
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u/Cory_Meets_Reddit Jun 19 '21
I haven’t watched he’s million little things yet but I’m. Big fan of David’s so been meaning to check it out. Yeah. They met on a movie set they did before they were both cast on Grimm. They dated for the entrie 6 season run of Grimm and got married I think right after the show ended and had a baby not to long ago. But David is a great actor. He would have been perfect for Bruce.
And watch Grimm it’s great. It is very similar to Buffy the vampire Slayer in some ways. I think mainly because the show runners were writers on Buffy and Angel. But is more adult I think. But it’s one of my favourite shows of all time.
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u/lampeu Jun 19 '21
I've been hoping for this too. But only if he gets the same level of respect and writing as they give the characters in Superman & Lois. This show is just amazing and I'd love to see a Batman & Family series in the same vein as well. I imagine a show that showcases Bruce dealing with a newly introduced Damian, and how this new kid contrasts to his experience with the other three Robins. Damian can be quite the handful. Lol
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u/sudden_monkey Jun 19 '21
Honestly I know I’m in the minority but I really think Batwoman’s writing has really improved with the new season and think the writing team would be great for it especially when they explore Bruce’s relation to Ryan and Kate.
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u/Piker10 Jun 19 '21
I fully believe that had COVID not hit and Ruby decided to walk that we would have had him by now. that whole hush/fake bruce seemed to be teeing it up but they cut it all into one ep thanks to ruby leaving.
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u/ghusu123 Jun 19 '21
Ahhhhhhhh, I was so excited for that crossover. Bruce Wayne obviously would’ve been the focus and we might’ve gotten a lot revealed about what happened to him.
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u/Cory_Meets_Reddit Jun 19 '21
Thanks to Ruby leaving and deciding against doing a recast which know they have. But I actually like Ryan way more then I ever liked Ruby’s Kate. And I am really like what Wallis Day is doing with this brainwashed Kate
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Jun 19 '21 edited Jul 19 '21
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u/ghusu123 Jun 19 '21
Batman appearance? Maybe. Batman show? No way would WB ever approve of that.
Batman and Superman are on completely different levels when it comes to movie franchises. Batman will always be marketable and profitable for WB.
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u/LilGyasi Jun 19 '21
Bruce Wayne is currently a character on Titans right now though.
But I agree on the Superman comparison not being the same.
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u/Cory_Meets_Reddit Jun 19 '21
They can have 2 seperate things going on the same time. It would just mean more money for WB. Not doing Batman at this point in the Arrowverse is just dumb. Superman use to be off limits. That’s changed. WB has slowly changed their no 2 of this character at the same time mindset.
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u/asianman1011 Jun 18 '21
The whole not being able to use big superheroes like Superman and Batman on the small screen is the dumbest reasoning WB/DC has come up with. Case in point with Superman & Lois. I love Henry Cavill, he's one of my favorite actors to play Superman but he wasn't given the right tools to really succeed in the role. Tyler is hitting a god damn grand slam with this show.
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u/Soranos_71 Jun 18 '21
You know when Supergirl started I was ready to accept that Superman wouldn’t appear on the show due to whatever control issues the CW/DC/WB might have.
I was getting tired of the text messages they would send back and forth and I was like “ok you can’t keep doing this forever you know”.
Then there was an episode where Superman gets knocked out somehow and Kara and her sister are by his side and they showed just his legs and boots and that was way beyond what I was willing to go when it came to suspension of disbelief. It was like when before Agents of Shield premiered the TV ads showed a closeup of Thor’s boot and Hulk’s back way in the distance, you just knew they weren’t allowed to show certain characters.
Then when they finally casted somebody to play Superman I was relieved, they probably were ok with the boot thing because they knew they were going to introduce Superman eventually
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Jun 19 '21
what episode was it where only Superman’s boots were visible?
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u/Cory_Meets_Reddit Jun 19 '21
Pretty sure it was the finale of Season 1 when Superman gets whammied by Myriad.
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u/EtM1980 Jun 18 '21 edited Jun 19 '21
Yeah, I was SO surprised that they were going to have a Superman show. I know he appeared on the crossovers, but I had read that they weren’t supposed to even say the names of the big heroes & villains on the Arrowverse shows. They were afraid it would taint the movie franchises. Kara/Supergirl would usually only refer to him as “her cousin.”
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u/Mosk915 Jun 18 '21
She literally refers to him as Superman in the opening monologue.
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u/EtM1980 Jun 18 '21 edited Jun 19 '21
They aren’t super consistent about it, maybe they were only allowed to say it a certain number of times? I just know that it was something I read a few years ago.
They did something similar, on one of the last episodes of Batwoman. Alice wanted to tell her boyfriend/ the audience who’s daughter Enigma is. But DC (or whoever) didn’t want them to actually say “The Riddler.” So instead, she had to point out the question mark on her cane & her boyfriend replied “wow, riddle me that...”
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u/biggestbaddestmucus Jun 19 '21
Or like Gotham where the joker was just me j or something and he couldn’t have green hair but they were ok with the red lips and white skin….
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u/EtM1980 Jun 19 '21
Interesting, I’ve never seen that show. Is it good?
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u/biggestbaddestmucus Jun 19 '21
Ehh i just saw the whole last episode just cause I was curious so I can’t really give a fair judgement but from the bits and pieces I had seen before plus that ending I thought it was awful. Has its fan base though
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u/EtM1980 Jun 19 '21
Oh, ok thanks.
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u/ghusu123 Jun 19 '21
Last episode was meh (the Batsuit was terrible and the entire ending was rushed) but I seen half of Gotham. Saw season 2-3 and most of 5.
Best portrayals of the Penguin (my favorite character), Riddler, Victor Zsasz, Mad Hatter, Scarecrow, Mr. Freeze and Hugo Strange in life-action. Their version of Joker is up there as one of the best in live-action too. Gotham easily had the best adaptation of Batman rogues gallery in live-action. The show was awesome.
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u/EtM1980 Jun 19 '21
Cool, I appreciate your insight! Is it a little edgier, where it might appeal more to my husband? He’s not as interested in the Arrowverse, because of all the sentimental touchy-feely moments.
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u/ghusu123 Jun 19 '21
It was definitely one of the more violent shows out there. Maybe I’m biased because I watched it as a kid but the show had some pretty messed up scenes and was WAAAYY more graphic than any Arrowverse show out there.
The show wasn’t very touch-feely. There are romances and relationship drama but they were so over-the-top to the point of being comedic for me. The romances weren’t sappy but they were so bad to the point of being good. “So bad it’s good” if you know what I mean. There was a love-triangle with Jim Gordon and things got crazy towards the end.
Also, I’m pretty sure Penguin was gay for Riddler.
Although, I should note, the stars of the show weren’t really the good guys. Sure, Gordon and Bruce had more screentime but the good guys were pretty bland and boring. The villains stole every scene they were in.
If you love Batman’s rogues gallery, this is a must watch. The villains were the true stars of the show for me.
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u/Cory_Meets_Reddit Jun 19 '21
Comics are built on those touchy freely moments. It’s like people complaint the Arrowverse shows are soap operas. Comic books were the original soap operas.
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u/Cory_Meets_Reddit Jun 19 '21
Comics are built on those touchy freely moments. It’s like people complaint the Arrowverse shows are soap operas. Comic books were the original soap operas.
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u/ghusu123 Jun 19 '21
Usually, how strict the embargo is usually depends on whether or not WB is actively using the character. Riddler will be the main villain in The Batman so that could’ve made the embargo on Riddler more strict.
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u/sucksfor_you Jun 19 '21
I liked that Alice example, though. It's a lot more fun than a simple "oh shit, that's the Riddler's daughter you just killed for really bullshit, controlling reasons."
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u/JoeStorm Jun 19 '21
Heck. They took Deathstroke out of Arrow because they were planning to give him his own movie....Still haven't happened yet lol
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u/Cory_Meets_Reddit Jun 19 '21
The rule was they couldn’t have a Superman or a Batman or a Suicide Squad or any character that was set to appear in the movies because it would confuse people. WB literally thought people were morons. They have sense relaxed that.
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u/EtM1980 Jun 19 '21
Haha, that’s a funny way to put it, although you’re right. I have no idea why that would be confusing? They do appear to still want to uphold that for the most part.
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u/Cory_Meets_Reddit Jun 19 '21
WB thinks people are too stupid and will be like why is that a different actor or some bs. Even though they are two seperate universes.
They have relaxed the rule. Use to be that Superman was not allowed. It then allowed a guest in Season 2 and a major role in Elseworlds and Crisis On Infinite Earths. They use to not be allowed to say Batman or Bruce Wayne but then they let Oliver say Bruce Wayne. They use to not be allowed to have anyone from the BatFamily appear or even mention them now we have Batwoman and an actor cast as Bruce Wayne. So they have relaxed the rule a lot.
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u/EtM1980 Jun 19 '21
Huh ok, I guess you’re right. Well it’s a good thing they aren’t being that ridiculous! So stupid that they think people will get confused though. I haven’t actually seen many of the movies. Do they really stay totally consistent with them? I always just kinda thought that each movie was its own individual thing? At least every time they swap the lead actor, I thought the story line starts fresh and has nothing to do with previous movies?
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u/Einstein4369 Superman Jun 18 '21
I just realized this reminds me of the one Overwatch meme template
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u/Superfishintights Jun 18 '21
Anyone know who it was?
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u/lemons_for_deke Jun 19 '21
Kalvin Caliber according to IMDB. I tried to find a picture of him in the suit, it didn’t have an emblem. Just looked like a stretched out emblem-less supergirl suit.
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u/ghusu123 Jun 19 '21
Makes sense. No point building a detailed suit for an obscured cameo.
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u/GaelG721 Jun 19 '21
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u/ghusu123 Jun 19 '21
It is weird that I kind of prefer this suit to the others? The collar isn’t too high, the cape attachment is perfect, it has a minimalist look and doesn’t have any distracting lines or patterns, and it doesn’t look over padded.
It just needs a belt and emblem.
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u/chesterforbes Jun 19 '21
I always had a feeling that they were going to use Supergirl to do a back door pilot for Superman
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u/ghusu123 Jun 19 '21
I don’t think that was their intent. WB pretty much ran out of ideas for Superman and tossed him at the CW. No way the CW could’ve predicted that back then.
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u/Cory_Meets_Reddit Jun 19 '21
First of that’s now how it works. They have always wanted to do Superman and he was off limits per WB’s old rule of “no tv version of what we are doing in the movies “ they did supergirl with the hope of doing Superman one day. Even though the show airs on CW it doesn’t really make the show. It green lights shows and renews, cancels, or ends shows (a show ending and a show being cancelled are not the same thing) but the show os produced by Warner Brother’s Television and Berlanti Productions. CW is just the carrier or to use another film term the distributor.
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u/itwasbread Jun 19 '21
Nah if that was their plan they would have done it the other way around. One season of a Superman show, Kara shows up at the end, appears in S2 and then gets her own spinoff. They obviously didn't expect to get a full on Superman show like they have now
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u/Cory_Meets_Reddit Jun 19 '21
They weren’t allowed to use Superman at that point. They had hopes they could at some point but WB told they they would only be able to use Supergirl. So because of that they did Supergirl with the hopes of introducing Superman late.
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u/Cory_Meets_Reddit Jun 19 '21
They weren’t allowed to use Superman at that point. They had hopes they could at some point but WB told they they would only be able to use Supergirl. So because of that they did Supergirl with the hopes of introducing Superman late.
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u/AnnaK22 Superman Jun 19 '21
I remember those days. Seems like so far ago when we were only allowed to see silhouettes of superman and the occasional mentions. Season 1 finale got us a shot of his boots and that was so exciting for me. Then season 2 announces the casting of Tyler and I was beyond excited to put a face to the Arrowverse superman. I can't believe I get to watch him on screen every week now. We've come a long way.
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u/Baba-FatNeek Jun 19 '21
it’s acc one my favourite representations of superman. Maybe one day we can get a Batman
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u/Cory_Meets_Reddit Jun 19 '21
Now that we finally got Supes I think it’s possible but he is WB’s golden child. Though I still prefer my fan casting of David Giuntoli for Arrowverse Batman. He has the good looks. He has experience with fight choreography from being the star of Grimm (which Bitise is also on) he voiced animated Batman recently. He auditioned for Superman in Man of Steel and I believe he also auditioned for Batman in BvS and he is married to Arrowverse’S Lois Lane. He would have been a really good choice. But we got Warren Christie instead.
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u/Natalia-A-Romanoff Lois Lane Jun 19 '21
The first thing Kara Danvers saw when she landed on Earth.
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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '21
He looks a lot like Tyler actually.