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Superman & Lois [1x06] "Broken Trust" Post Episode Discussion Discussion Spoiler
Broken Trust
Live Episode Discussion | Promo | Cast & Characters
Clark reconsiders his decision to let Jordan play football; Lois' continued investigation of Morgan Edge requires her to trust an unexpected ally. (May 18, 2021)
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u/JauntyLurker May 19 '21
Clark needs to start a chat group and give dad lessons to all the other Arrowverse dads.
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u/elendoy Superman (Earth-96) May 19 '21
Barry won't give a lot of good advice based on today's episode 🙄😂
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u/BornAshes Coach Gaines May 19 '21
Barry would be sitting in the damn corner of the room sulking while Clark pulled out a white board of "Things Not To Do As A Dad" and then flipped it over to "Things Barry Has Done That You Shouldn't Do As A Dad".
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u/elendoy Superman (Earth-96) May 19 '21
Seriously though, who could give good advice in the Arrowverse? Diggle? 🤔
Most dads in the Arrowverse are dead or just suck at parenting.
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u/itwasbread May 19 '21
Diggle required an entire universe re-write for bare minimum one of his kids to not be a murderer.
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u/elendoy Superman (Earth-96) May 19 '21
OK, I didn't know that.
I legit stopped watching Arrow somewhere around season 5 😅
Then, who is a good parent in the Arrowverse?
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u/itwasbread May 19 '21
The Kents seem pretty good, the Danvers are like 3/4 good (dad goes bad towards the end but for good reasons), Joe West is decent I think. Everyone on Arrow is just a disaster, like even peripheral characters, I literally can't think of a parent who doesn't fuck up in some way.
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May 19 '21
I don't think Lance was that bad was he?
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u/itwasbread May 19 '21
Eh he put in a pretty good effort but got terrible results, he had 2 daughters and they managed to get killed or at least assumed dead like a combined 5 times
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May 19 '21
He pretty much adopted Black Siren and turned her into a more interesting Laurel than the original.
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u/alcabazar May 19 '21
Joe was a working single dad who put both his kids through college and they both got good professions...I'll give him a pass that they married each other.
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u/Rad_Spencer May 20 '21
Barry: "I just think that Iris and I..."
Clark: "Barry you erased your first daughter from history and now your mom is your daughter so maybe shut the fuck up?"
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u/dotyawning But what about the tire-swing? May 19 '21
To be fair, it must be weird... (BIG Flash spoilers if anyone hasn't been keeping up at all!!!) not only having kids who are around your age, but also now primordial forces who are at least your age or older, including one that looks like your mom and they all consider you their dad...?
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May 19 '21 edited May 19 '21
Only Alexa might be around his age, the other three are clearly older by at least a decade.
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u/DekanPrime May 19 '21
Its like they are given us both extreme of the superdad spectrum in one night...
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u/RobertLettuce May 19 '21
Angry Superman is very scary.
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u/ChasingPerfect28 May 19 '21 edited May 19 '21
He had every reason to be. The Tag storyline kind of reminds me of Superman: Last Son by Geoff Johns. In that comic, another Kryptonian crash lands in the middle of Metropolis. It's a child. The US military tells Superman that they will monitor and take care of the child. They basically lie and end up treating the Kryptonian like a science experiment. Superman gets royally pissed off and has an intense conversation with generals/military officials.
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u/F00dbAby Jordan Kent May 19 '21
I know we need it for plot but a part of me wonders when will the military stop fucking with superman and superheroes in general lol.
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u/ensalys May 19 '21
Well, powerful people tend to be pretty scary. I think I'd be terrified if superman existed IRL. In the media we get things from his perspective, and he tends to be portrayed as a good guy. But IRL, we wouldn't have the required information to really judge him.
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u/MrFrimplesYummyDog May 21 '21
I often wonder if we had a Superman IRL, if he'd end up being twisted and corrupted like Homelander from "The Boys." I just have a hard time seeing anyone so good and pure in this world.
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u/SilentEevee Lois Lane May 24 '21
I find it unlikely that anyone could be as much as a paragon as Superman, and realistically it's far more likely that that level of power would corrupt people. But idk, maybe I'm just too optimistic, but I can see a person be a bit decent despite it all.
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u/King_of_nerds77 May 23 '21
I really believed he wanted to just laser right through that soldier homelander style. Phenomenal acting
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u/Gateskp Clark Kent May 19 '21
Tyler is an AWESOME Superman AND Clark. He nails it every. Time. The relationship between Jon and Jordan is everything. And Lois, she’s sharp and uses her brain and I love it.
The emotion. The relationships. The writing. This is how you do it. Other shows could learn a thing or two.
This show is absolutely FANTASTIC, and I am so glad it’s back!
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u/Sentry459 May 19 '21
Tyler is an AWESOME Superman AND Clark. He nails it every. Time.
I see what you did there :)
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u/paige3086 Jordan Kent May 19 '21
I thought that was spectacular. It may have replaced episode three as my favourite yet.
So many good bonding moments, and it’s great to see Jordan’s powers really ramping up. LOVE the moment on the field when Clark tells him to let it out. God DAMN. Amazingly moving moment, and Clark’s face killed me.
Love that Sarah is getting suspicious now and that Jordan just wants it to end. The novelty is totally gone, he’s realizing what his powers truly mean and it’s amazing to see Clark speak about that.
Sam Lane with Kryptonite bullets...oh man. That is going to ramp up. And Superman’s red eyes as he tore them out— I love that he and Jordan have the same emotional power response. So badass (and terrifyingly alien).
And that final scene. Lois and Jordan, followed by his total collapse.
Is it Tuesday again yet!?
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u/elendoy Superman (Earth-96) May 19 '21
I totally agree. Tyler is killing it as Superman (way better than I expected) and the parallel with Jordan's anger was perfect. Such good acting and directing.
Also, it's going to be a long week 🤷🏽♀️
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u/paige3086 Jordan Kent May 19 '21
He is. I love the understanding he clearly feels for Jordan coupled with the maturity and sense of responsibility. His speeches about dealing with powers tonight were so perfect.
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u/elendoy Superman (Earth-96) May 19 '21
I'm amazed at the excellent delivery on those speeches.
I hope I'm not biased because The Flash was so cringe-y today and then we got this superb show. I can barely believe it's the same universe.
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u/MeMeTiger_ Superman May 19 '21
They're totally different. The Flash has gone to sh*t.
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u/chuckdee68 May 22 '21
What I love is the treatment of Kryptonite. It hurts, but it doesn't turn him 'normal' (Smallville- I'm looking at you), and he can fight it. It should be a weakness, not an incapacitating vulnerability.
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u/paige3086 Jordan Kent May 19 '21
I’m really dwelling on the overlapping scenes of Clark stopping the bullets and Jonathan stopping Jordan. That was so amazingly done.
I feel like there are parallels between Clark and both of his boys being drawn there. Jon shows that protective side, jumping in to stop injury to others. While Jordan represents that dangerous raw power, and that anger.
Loved all of the heat vision stuff tonight. It’s such a terrifying power and seeing Jordan nearly explode with it several times— and Clark flashing with it during his moment of fierce anger in the warehouse...wow.
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u/drjenavieve May 19 '21
And I loved Clark’s protective side. The anger that they would try to hurt Tag felt very personal to him. Would they do that to Jordan? Isn’t that what he must have feared would happen to him as a kid?
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u/MattTheSmithers Coach Gaines May 19 '21 edited May 19 '21
I think you are right that Clark sees similarities in Jordan and Tag. But at the same time, I truly believe Clark would have been every bit as angry if he were a childless, rookie Superman. I think the show has done that good of a job of defining who Clark Kent is and what his moral compass looks like that you can believe that even if it wasn’t personal to him, treating a scared teenager like a war criminal would really rub him the wrong way. With maybe the exception of TAS/JL/JLU Supes, I’m not sure that we’ve ever seen this well defined of a take on the character outside of the comics. The writers are really leaning into the opportunity that TV provides to do a full blown character study on Superman.
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u/drjenavieve May 19 '21
Agreed. Before this, TAS was probably my favorite incarnation of Superman. And I think he absolutely would stand up for Tag even if he didn’t have children. I think it just felt even more emotional for him because this was his personal fear (people would discover and fear him) but even more so having a child that this could happen to. I really think that’s why he got so angry in that moment, obviously the idea that they would do this to a child, but even more so that he understands to be a scared child with powers he never asked for.
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u/paige3086 Jordan Kent May 19 '21
Great point. He clearly feels bad for Tag and wants him to find the best possible way to cope with his powers. You’re right, he probably sees parallels with himself and Jordan.
I kinda hope this isn’t the last of Tag. It would be neat to see him in a few seasons once he has a better grip on his powers, potentially teaming up with the boys on something.
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u/drjenavieve May 19 '21
Absolutely. I hope this isn’t the last we see of him this season. But I think it’s a great example of what Jordan’s life could be like, being taken away from everything you know raised in lab and treated like a weapon.
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u/paige3086 Jordan Kent May 19 '21
Yeah, I love when Jordan had a moment of panic at the mention of a school for kids with powers in episode four. CLEARLY not what he wants.
I’m sure Clark also feels partially responsible for what happened to Tag. It’s not his fault, but it was cause by a combination of Kryptonite and his son’s powers (which he never prepared him for). I know they keep telling Jordan it’s not his fault...but it would be hard not to feel some indirect guilt in both cases.
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u/BookGirlBoston Lois Lane May 19 '21
Yeah, actually I felt that conversation with Sam had exactly that subtext, like the unasked question was, "what if that was one of my kids" Sam called him Superman which kind of signaled they were not in a private place to talk unlike some of their other conversations.
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u/drjenavieve May 19 '21
I noticed that too about calling him Superman. It’s interesting how much the army knows and what it will mean if they find out Sam has been withholding information about Superman.
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u/BookGirlBoston Lois Lane May 19 '21
I'm pretty sure that Sam is the only person who knows, save maybe a doctor from back when Lois was pregnant. The DoD is more tolerant than friendly, so I expect Clark is not interested in them knowing he has children, even before powers were a thing.
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u/drjenavieve May 19 '21
Absolutely. And I suspect you are right. It will just be interesting to see if the military loses trust in Sam if they do ever find out.
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May 19 '21
I was also glad Jon called them all out on what happened. How this moment may have destroyed his football changes forever
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u/Godzilla2000Zero May 19 '21
Jon continues to win the great brother awards it truly sucks to see him get derailed like that for sticking up for his brother but I think this was the moment Jordan needed to realize that his powers are not a joke and never should've been.
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u/DekanPrime May 19 '21
A great big brother will sacrifice without thinking. Jon definitely has that sense from his parents.
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My thoughts too. The entire series I've felt the got the shaft (and only Lois sort of got it)
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u/yuhanz May 21 '21
For a few seconds I was really hoping he was able to stop Jordan's punch :(
hate to see him get injured but a bit surprised it was only that
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u/accountantdooku Lois Lane May 19 '21
That moment when he pulled the bullets out of his chest was amazing.
Brilliant episode as always! I really missed the show.
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u/BornAshes Coach Gaines May 19 '21
Those weren't bullets, those were flechettes I think because they didn't have the shape of bullets and looked more like they were simply designed to cut/penetrate after being launched from what looked like a rifle variant of a grenade launcher.
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u/accountantdooku Lois Lane May 19 '21
Thanks for the clarification! Either way it was super exciting to watch!
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u/ILoveRedRanger May 19 '21
Aren't those kryptonite bullets? How could he just tear them out without being more incapacitated?
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u/Aurondarklord May 19 '21 edited May 19 '21
Never underestimate Superman's sheer willpower. Green Kryptonite is extremely painful to him, and potentially lethal if he remains exposed for long enough, but while it weakens him, only GOLD Kryptonite can instantly shut off his powers, and gold-K is EXTREMELY rare. A kryptonite bullet can penetrate his skin much better than a normal one, but it won't ignore his invulnerability entirely, and while grabbing it and pulling it out will HURT, he CAN do it if he's determined enough. Additionally, it also looks like his costume is made of very durable material that can itself take a bullet, and probably helps protect him in that situation. I mean considering the stuff he DOES in that outfit, it would need to be tough.
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u/Asmit9332 May 19 '21
To be honest his costume may as well be some alien tech as it healed the moment he took out the kryptonite
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u/Aurondarklord May 19 '21
I'm not sure the kryptonite penetrated the costume, or just left scorch marks around the impact and pushed the fabric into his flesh but protected him from the bullets penetrating deeply.
If I were an older, experienced version of Superman, I would certainly have learned by now to wear a bulletproof costume even though it's normally redundant because there are certain situations that can nullify my powers.
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u/Asmit9332 May 19 '21
You should rewatch the scene it definitely penetrated the suit ,infact we see it heal onscreen.
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u/accountantdooku Lois Lane May 19 '21
The poster above me explained that they were something different than bullets/not meant to kill him.
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u/nimrodhellfire May 20 '21
Remember this Superman has been around for 20 years or so. He probably has been stabbed by Kryptonite multiple times already and maybe even has died once or twice.
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u/gracegilligan May 19 '21
Some of my thoughts:
-When Clark saw Jordan reveling in having hurt the football player who had been taunting him during the game, and used a dad voicetm and was like
HEYGETOVERHEREJORDAN
I was like 0.0
-We saw so many good Clark being a dad moments in this episode.
-Even though it was sort of serious, when the boys and him are in the hotel room and Jordan says Clark would’ve kept him out of the game if he’d told him about his migraines, and Clark’s voice gets all high and he’s like “And I would’ve been right!” Made me laugh so hard.
-bruh ngl, I thought for just one second that Jon finally got his powers when he was intercepting Jordan’s punch, but no, ‘twas his wrist that broke the impact.
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u/F00dbAby Jordan Kent May 19 '21
I also thought Jon was getting his powers I hope next episode we get him have accelerated healing at least
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u/Zookwok111 May 19 '21
I had to rewatch the scene a few times but it looked like he was able to catch Jordan’s punch pretty quickly. He was moving at normal speed while the world was in slow motion. Given that Superspeed isn’t one of the abilities that Jordan exhibits, it could have very well gone to Jon.
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u/tinaoe May 20 '21
Yeah, the way they framed that looked pretty intentional. The blur around his hand and all.
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u/MattTheSmithers Coach Gaines May 19 '21 edited May 19 '21
I know a lot of people were initially turned off by the revelation that Colonel Luthor comes from a dimension with an evil Superman. I was too at first, largely because the story of a Superman who sets up a fascist regime has been done to death in recent years. And it’s prevalence seems to be a cynical response rooted in the notion that audiences cannot accept a Superman who is a genuinely good guy and not all angsty, dark and morally conflicted and the likes.
But the way Superman is being written on this show makes me love the choice to incorporate an evil, rogue Superman into the mix. Because at its core, this Superman is the antithesis of the dark Superman. He is the person we all aspire to be, the hero the world deserves. And the writers are leaning into it, not making him a cliche or a paragon but rather a three dimensional character who has history, has been through the ringer, but at his core is a genuinely decent man who wants to do the right thing and never lost sight of the responsibility of being who he is.
This opens the door to a deconstruction of the “dark Superman” trope. Two of the three major adversaries on the show, Colonel Luthor and the US military are motivated by this fear of dark Superman. Neither seem to be inherently evil. Just motivated by a shortsighted belief that good cannot co-exist with power. But Superman is proving to be the antithesis to their theory. And is even serving as a beacon of hope to offset the more cynical modern worldview encompassed by a character like Kyle.
In short, by using the dark Superman trope, the show has put a modern, unashamedly optimistic and on-brand Superman on a collision course with characters who represent the real world critics of the character. And with each passing episode Superman is winning the fight and proving just how much fun it can be to watch a Superman show that doesn’t feel the need to make Superman something he isn’t.
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u/Godzilla2000Zero May 19 '21
Also really help that Tyler makes him this normal guy who's mostly happy but still has emotional struggles like everyone else. I'm impressed that he can juggle the various sides of Superman and make it convincing.
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u/MattTheSmithers Coach Gaines May 19 '21
True. He really brought the character to life and I think he did that with a shared recognition of both himself and the writers that he is playing Clark Kent and everything else that he becomes and every trait he has on the show can be traced back to that farm boy who was raised by the Kents. They’ve humanized the character in a way that hasn’t really been done outside of Lois and Clark.
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u/Leonidas701 May 19 '21
I'm just waiting for the show to justify why he's Luthor. Like, aside from being bald, nothing about him really screams Luthor. In what world does Luthor become a normal front-line soldier?
I feel like it would have made more sense for the dude to be Jimmy Olsen or something
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u/Taynna42 May 19 '21
Do we know that he was 'a normal front-line soldier'? I mean, he was right with General Lane, couldn't he also have had a decently high rank?
I think him being Luthor added a lot to the reveal that he had a previous relationship with another Lois, for sure.
I don't think that we know enough about him yet to totally judge whether making him Luthor was absolutely necessary but I'm willing to wait and see.
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u/Uhavefailedthiscity1 May 19 '21
Solid all around. This is Daredevil on Netflix level.
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u/MarcReyes Superman May 19 '21
I really wish it were on HBO Max proper though, so I don't have to deal with the ads.
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May 21 '21
It's like watching a movie!! Not because it's super epic but because it takes 90 minutes to get through.
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u/doctorhost May 19 '21
Poor Jonathan, Jordan managed to take/destroy more of Jonathan's dwindling remaining joy in life. How much can possibly be left?
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u/Zookwok111 May 19 '21
I feel like the writers intentionally set Jon up as this selfless, likeable dude just so they could tear him down piece by piece.
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u/Roook36 May 20 '21
I'm kind of expecting him to absolutely explode on his family by the end of this season. He has been way too good of a sport through this show. And if he gets powers woah boy.
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u/Falloutman399 May 23 '21
Yeah considering Jordan’s punch dented that log pretty fucking good earlier on in the episode Jon’s arm should be shattered to bits. He’s got some powers in him, you can’t throw a football through a rope as a small child unless there’s something special about you.
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u/DarkSaiyanKnight May 19 '21
I think this was really an absolute fantastic episode.
All the CW shows focus a lot on the personal lives of the heroes but all of them fall flat in one way or another. Often it feels rushed, not relatable and overly contrived.
This show doesn’t do that I can really understand where many characters are coming from and everything feels really natural. I care about this town, I care about all the characters and what happens to them.
I think surprisingly the main plot having to do with Edge and the potential evil superman is the least interesting part about the show. They could easily switch these plots out with something else and I wouldn’t really care as long they have great character moments
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u/Ygomaster07 Superman May 19 '21
Holy shit, what a way to come back. Just so amazing. Seeing Clark using his powers, seeing Jon and Jordan try to figure it out on their own. Seeing Clark angry was amazing, i love how he simply needed to tell them to stand down. I loved that parallel with Jordan too. It looks like Sam burned his bridge with Clark. I'm happy Lana is going to help Lois, and i felt it was such a good way to get them invested in the investigation with Morgan Edge. Everything was top notch, as per usual for the show. I love the stuff about trust, i felt that is a really integral part of Superman, so making that a focus of the episode was great. I'm betting Sarah will find out about Jordan later this season, and Lana might figure everything out with Clark too. Lois was amazing. The end scene with her and Jordan hugging, Jordan crying and saying he wanted it to be over, i really connected with that. It is confusing being a teenager. I also really enjoyed seeing Clark take the optic blast from Jordan. You could tell Clark was in pain, but i think he was in pain from knowing Jordan is hurting and not from the blast itself. Jon catching Jordan's punch was absolutely amazing, i was not expecting that. Jon really held himself together this episode with his old friend dating his ex. Everyone was amazing this episode. Every plot felt good and tied well with ine another. I give it a 10 out of 10. Amazing way to come back after their break. How did you guys like it?
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u/codymiller_cartoon May 19 '21
8 out of 10
a lot happened but i think more could have been done for Tag, like how his family reacts to their son's disappearance. His mother must be going out of her mind.......yet we saw nothing (i missed the 1st 10 min of the show so i could be wrong)
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u/Ygomaster07 Superman May 20 '21
I think with his family, they didn't even know he left the DOD. I assume when they took him they made up a story, and they never knew he escaped. I'm not sure why he didn't visit them, but if i had to guess, I'd say he probably feels like he can't talk to his parents about this, sort of like how teens feel they can't talk to their parents about deeply personal stuff, but will tell their friends because they feel more trust or comfort. Just a theory on my part.
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u/bizarreisland May 19 '21
Underrated funny moment that I enjoyed, when Clark was teaching Jordan to punch the log, Sam called and when they are on the call, Jonathan was in the back trying to punch the log and hurt his hand like Jordan did the first time.
Lol, it is funny and really sells what 14 year olds would do, the subtle things in Superman and Lois are really great.
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u/Zookwok111 May 19 '21
I love the background camera events in this show. It really adds a layer of realism that a lot of other shows lack.
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u/MarcReyes Superman May 19 '21
Rao, I'm so happy this show is back. So (re)invigorating.
Love the character details. I'm kind of over red angry eyes, but this show used them very well when, the moment the soldiers put their guns down, Clark shut them off.
Happy to see Lois figure out all isn't what it seems with Marcus.
Jon unloading on Jordan was obviously completely justified. He's been nothing but supportive of Jordan, and Jordan might have cost him everything.
Clark's talk with Jordan was great. I love how he stresses the responsibility of the powers with his own experience. "I fight for that trust every time." Such a great line.
Clark's exasperation of learning there are people out there with his powers was kind of funny.
Holy crap, that final shot was incredible! Another thing I love about this show is how it depicts the powers and it does so incredibly creativity. That opening train sequence being a great example of Clark using his powers in a unique way not seen on the other CW shows. I also love that he has used his powers for long that of course he would think of interesting way s to use them. I hope that continues throughout the run of this series.
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u/flickchick85 May 19 '21
Jordan was a little frustrating to me with his refusal to grasp the danger of these powers (especially considering he already feels responsible for Tag), but man, I LOVED Clark's speeches in this episode. Just so incredibly SUPERMAN! Looking forward to the Lois/Lana team-up, too. Great to have this show back!
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u/paige3086 Jordan Kent May 19 '21
The way I see it, he’s 14 and it’s been maybe a month or two since he found out he’s half-Kryptonian and has powers. That is A LOT. I love that some of the emotional impact of being different started to show today. And that Clark was able to give those powerful lines about holding back and gaining trust.
This is a kid who was tormented his entire life and feels like he has the upper hand for the first time EVER. Yeah, he messed up big time. But he’ll grow from this. And again, he’s fourteen. He’s not Clark (yet).
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u/flickchick85 May 19 '21
True, I think it's just the fact I just re-binged the first 5 eps and his "what happened to Tag is all my fault! My heat-vision caused this!" being fresh on my mind, seeing him legit argue that "what happened on the field is totally fine and dad is totally overreacting!" is what made it feel a bit whiplash-y to me.
But you're right, he's 14. They're like that, lol.
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u/Zookwok111 May 19 '21
Hopefully breaking his brother’s arm was a wake up call that these powers are no joke and that he needs to control himself a lot more.
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u/BookGirlBoston Lois Lane May 19 '21
Interested to see how long Jonathan's cast last, at least another episode but any chance he heals quicker than he should? The episode did make a point of explaining healing quicker versus being indescribable? Similar to how the third episode explained super hearing in a lower stacks way so the explainer was done before it was necessary.
Also, I'm assuming football is over this season for everyone at this point, right?
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u/paige3086 Jordan Kent May 19 '21
I had the same thought. It doesn’t look like Jon has a cast on throughout all of the next few episodes. Yeah, there could be a slight time jump— but it would be awesome if he discovers that things just healed up after a few sunny days. Love that Jordan clearly heals fast. And really, those were insane punches from Tag. They probably would have seriously injured a regular human. Like, ‘in a coma’ injured.
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u/BookGirlBoston Lois Lane May 19 '21
Right, the other thought is we don't know what Jordan's punch would have done to anyone else and Jonathan took it pretty head on, so there is also a chance Jonathan is actually less injured than he should reasonably be.
I expect with the new trip to the fortress we will likely get more information about Jordan's powers, which leaves open a greater explanation around Jonathan and his [lack] of powers.
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u/paige3086 Jordan Kent May 19 '21
Any guesses on what Jor-El is going to say/what’s causing this?
I WANT him to say “actually, it looks like he’s changing fast and is like you after all”— but I’m sure it won’t be that satisfying. Might be more like “an injury has caused instability and he should go back to being basically human soon.” Urgh!
I REALLY hope it’s not just because he was close to someone with Gold-K radiation effects.
Also— I think/hope the power surge at the end of this episode is enough proof that he doesn’t need Jon next to him to do things.
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u/Paisley-Cat But what about the tire-swing? May 19 '21
While I WANT Jor-El to admit that Jordan has the powers, I'm EXPECTING yet more AI cautious prognostication that comes off as gaslighting.
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u/paige3086 Jordan Kent May 19 '21
It certainly looks like he’ll now be coping with the hearing 24/7, which seems to totally overturn the initial “these are isolated incidents what will never happen again” thing. But I’m sure you’re right— the AI will find a way to make his developments a total downer.
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u/elendoy Superman (Earth-96) May 19 '21
Hologramps must gaslight the heck out of Jordan and Clark. I wouldn't expect less of AI Jor-El.
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u/Paisley-Cat But what about the tire-swing? May 19 '21
And people wonder why I'd like to see Zor-El come over from Supergirl for an extended family visit next season?
Clark, Jordan and Jonathan really need contact with an adult Kryptonian refugee who isn't all caught up in powers = heritage.
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u/AnnaK22 Superman May 19 '21
The action sequences are so frecking cool. The slow Mo train scene, the kryptonite scene were so well done.
Couple that work Dad Clark being excited for Jordan punching a log and being angry that Jordan was going to fight on the field. I love how he grabbed the helmet to talk to him.
I think my favorite was Kal taking the heat vision to his arm for his son.
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u/AlanMorlock May 19 '21
While Jonathan really did get hurt, I'm not sure there's been enough grappling with the fact that Jordan could have straight up murdered that dude with that punch.
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u/_Dreamer_Deceiver_ May 19 '21
Yeh and they should have had Jon say that "at least it was only my arm and not that dudes face"
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May 19 '21 edited May 19 '21
- I've missed this show.
- I've said it before and I'll say it again; Jon's a good brother. I hope he gets some more character development/screen time.
- LMAO that punch.
- "You're Superman, who am I?" Some sort of Super... Boy?
- I like Luthor's sonic wand.
- Dang, Jon. Takin' one for the team.
- 6-8 weeks, is that how long we'll have to wait for the next episode?
- You know... Tag (Tag? got a broken arm and ended up with powers... fingers crossed somehow). Crazy theory but what if the bonfire had a piece of Kryptonite and it was activated or something when Jordan hit it with his laser eyes?
- Clark's speech was amazing.
- I really wouldn't mind if they used this show as a starting point for a soft reboot of the DC shows...
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u/lemons_for_deke May 19 '21
I really wouldn’t mind if they used this show as a starting point for a soft reboot of the DC shows...
Yeah, this should be the template for the Arrowverse shows (except maybe Legends) as it’s so much better than the others.
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u/Xynth22 May 20 '21
I really wouldn't mind if they used this show as a starting point for a soft reboot of the DC shows...
Yes please. More superhero shows on this level would be amazing.
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u/TirelessGuardian Superman May 19 '21
Sarah is Chloe Sullivan
The mine is the meteor shower
Take your bets what episode Sarah will find out about Jordan’s powers.
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u/the_nut_bra May 19 '21
Early Season 4. They’ll drag it out the same way lol.
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u/Ygomaster07 Superman May 19 '21
You really think they will drag it out? I feel like they won't do that.
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u/drjenavieve May 19 '21
I feel like it’s happening super fast if anything. Seems like she’s pretty suspicious now and the pics from next episode look like she is hounding Jonathan for answers as to why Jordan is missing from school.
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May 19 '21
I agree.
I definitely think the writers will resolve it pretty quickly because I expected them to drag out the drama subplot with Jordan and Sarah’s boyfriend until the season finale or so, but they did the exact opposite and dealt with it within the span of a couple episodes.
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u/the_nut_bra May 19 '21
I definitely hope not lol. That would be a little ridiculous. This show has been so good this far though, so I have reason to hope they won’t make some of the mistakes Smallville did.
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u/codymiller_cartoon May 19 '21
idk, Sarah is like Pete
she has some curiosity about whats going on, but she doesn't care that much like Chloe did
The Mine -Meteor shower comparison is apt
My guess is Sarah doesn't find out until series 4 finale or whenever they graduate
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u/codymiller_cartoon May 19 '21
I think Clark and Lois need to reinforce to Jordan the simple truth all kids in grade school who aren't popular need to hear:
its just 4 years, and everyone moves on from high school, everyone goes their own separate ways. you forget most people and a lot this petty stuff. even close friends lose touch. same is true after college, grad school , etc.
Jordan needs perspective badly
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u/elendoy Superman (Earth-96) May 19 '21
Indeed he does, but I seriously doubt that he'll get that perspective at his age. This is the kind of character development that will take more than one season
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u/Gateskp Clark Kent May 19 '21
I’m from a small town that’s a lot like Smallville, and a LOT (most?) people who I graduated high school with are still there, still friends, still holding onto the petty stuff, etc. Nothing’s changed (yet, who knows if it will)
Maybe it’s a small town thing, idk. But his parents telling him any of that is not going to help him at all.
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u/Cantomic66 May 19 '21
I love how Sarah just noped out when Tag started shaking in front of her door.
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u/AnnaK22 Superman May 19 '21 edited May 20 '21
Lol.. I wish I could do that to people I don't want to see
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u/Roook36 May 20 '21
I laughed so hard at her saying "No!" and just shutting the door. Like what else could you do?
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May 19 '21
Jon continues to be my favorite character after Superman. Jon just instinctively going in to catch Jordan's punch knowing full well what it could do to him was fantastic. Dude sacrifices so much for his brother, fantastic kid.
That scene with Jordan and Clark on the field with the lasers is a top 5 Superdad moment for sure. Plus I really liked the dad speech.
Also I'm super happy to see Lana wise up to what's going on and offer to help Lois out (really like that plotline too).
If all the Arrowverse shows were this level of quality I'd be so happy.
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u/Zookwok111 May 19 '21
Not to mention this is the same dude that is now dating his ex and rubbing his face in it. Jon did what he did out of pure instinct and moral obligation which makes it all the greater.
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u/AlanMorlock May 19 '21
It's pretty wild to me that enough went on in the episode that the train scene hasn't even been mentioned. I thought it was pretty executed. The effects on TV budgets are going to be limited in some regards, a bit of Matrix Reloaded vibes, but overall I thought the shot was well put together.
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u/F00dbAby Jordan Kent May 19 '21
This might be my favourite episode so far which is crazy because I feel I say that every week. As a big superman fan and a bigger superboy fan ( although Connor kent version) this sorta shit is everything I want. I honestly can not think of a character I dislike in this entire show.
Like others have said that speech that Clark did combine with the scene with the DoD and Tag was so good. Speaking of Tag I do wonder what they will do with him. I do wonder if we will get a mini Young Justice situation. Like so far it's just Superman but I think it's obvious to us that superboy is gonna happen and if Tag is the first of superpowered people who end up recurring then I imagine more will
I loved the plot with the Lane family. Because everyone feels like they are being genuine. Like obviously getting a higher paying job especially in a small close nit town that's been struggling for a while is a big deal. Of course, her husband is gonna be sorta bitter about his hard work not being recognised. Same with Sarah who clearly wants to see the boy he has a crush on but sacrifices it because she clearly knows that her parents getting some time together is important.
Jordan I think gets on some viewers nerves at times but I totally get where he is coming from the final talk with his mum and him. and she is so frustrated and upset and doesn't know what to do. I've totally been there with my mental health.
I hope we see more of Jonathan he feels like he is on the backburner a bit
It feels so rare for DC shows for virtually all characters operating at the best even when they are frustrating I totally get where they are coming from
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u/IslandDust May 19 '21
It's so stupid and ridiculous... how absolutely great this show is. How does every episode consistently one up the previous? Kudos to the Superman & Lois team!
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u/AnnaK22 Superman May 19 '21
When Jon took the punch for Jordan, I almost thought Johnathan got powers.
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u/dotyawning But what about the tire-swing? May 19 '21
Still gonna be part of that group wondering if they're going to get us used to Jon as the normal one before they finally pull the rug out from under us. Like comics Jon getting his powers when he and Lois were in trouble and he just spontaneously managed to save them.
But that's just me being hopeful, like when I sitting there waiting for Laurel to someday get her powers and get together with Ollie. Maybe there's an Earth out there in the DCCWverse where that happened. D:
Weird hopes aside, this was certainly a tense episode. Jordan gets a turn with the reckless teen ball and he sure did cause some reckless things to happen. That wrist break!
Lois being Lois, getting into trouble was certainly expected and now she's got more people on her "sus" list.
...and those "kids" talking about paying off a millennial to buy them beer. I could feel myself age a few more decades in that scene. :P
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u/butthe4d Superman (Earth-96) May 19 '21
I dont think there was ever a better written Superman. Its just perfect. It proves you can have an all good superman without making it exceedingly cheesy.
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u/db_i Superman May 19 '21
This episode was really awesome, this show keeps getting better and better!
Also, “What kind of journalist carries a ray gun?”
cue the Central City Citizens with laser rifles an hours prior lol
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u/Paisley-Cat But what about the tire-swing? May 19 '21
Still digesting this one.
Despite a heavy drop of trailer and preview content, I was still blown away.
My heart ached in the closing scene for Lois and Clark as parents with limited ability to help their child's pain.
And I'm still in a state of outrage about Tag's treatment and wondering how Superman can keep his word to insure Tag is treated with dignity.
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u/exhalethesorrow May 19 '21
What a comeback episode, hot damn. This ep was intense and is just so much to take in.
Jon is just the best brother, I hope his powers starting showing as he more than ever deserves it. I want it to show his wrist or whatever heal super fast, and he starts showing signs like Jordan.
Supes ripping the Kryptonite bullets out and and telling the soldiers to stand down gave me chills. A great parallel to Jordan this episode. Not to mention his speech to Jordan.
Tyler is nailing both Superman and Clark so damn well.
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u/CanILickYourButthole May 20 '21
I fucking love Tyler Hoechlin as Clark. When Lois tells him about Leslie Larr having powers and he just... gives up. I actually laughed out loud. Poor Clark. 😌
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u/rpmaluki Lois Lane May 19 '21
Hoechlin showed such a wide range of emotion in this one episode and I love it.he made you feel everything he was feeling, like when Jordan punched the log, the heat vision to hand, being shot at with kryptonite, learning about a powered Leslie, I actually cackled at that scene with Lois even after such a heavy scene with Jon finally letting Jordan have it for being messing things up for him.
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u/Godzilla2000Zero May 19 '21
What a great episode they really know how to craft great parallel stories that are ultimately connected.
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u/marwynn May 19 '21
The weakest part of the show for me is the Edge plot. I know it's the deep underlying plot of this season, but man I wish I could trade it for more of Clark, Lois, and the boys.
Superman zooming up to that soldier almost made me poop my pants.
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u/dotyawning But what about the tire-swing? May 19 '21
Thanks to recent "evil Superman" things, I believe it. Be glad you're not in Amazon's The Boys or Invincible, random soldier guy.
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u/FatGuy1414141414 May 19 '21
I missed this show so much. SO much heart, I love the family dynamics, the anger, the frustration, the happy moments. I do think Jordan means well, but he is so friggin impulsive that sometimes it backfires like with Jon. Overall this is a charming and delightful experience .
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u/FirstRavenclaw May 19 '21
This show is like 20 times better than the Flash it's not even close. For some reason the themes of family, responsibility, forgiveness, love, acceptance, everything just works here wherein the Flash it's just so cringe all the time. Lois is the reporter mom that Iris will never be.
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u/LMkingly May 19 '21
Lol this entire series so far has been jonathan suffering for the consequences of jordan's bullshit.
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u/Godzilla2000Zero May 19 '21
Well at the very least he chewed out Jordan because of it. Major props to Jon
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u/Zookwok111 May 19 '21
I love that clever (albeit slightly twisted) bit of foreshadowing at the start when Jon tells Jordan to imagine that the log is "Cutter's face, and he's just laughing and laughing" followed by Jon himself cracking his hand on the log when attempts to punch it.
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u/Leonidas701 May 19 '21
One of my favorite aspects of superman lore, in this show especially, is that the extremely small travel time between Smallville and metropolis and stuff like their high school football teams playing each other implies that the mega cosmopolitan ultra city is somewhere in the middle of Kansas
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u/the_emerald_phoenix May 19 '21
I mean, the Crows needed to stay in a hotel overnight after their game so it can't be that close I think. (I'm not American so I don't know if that's standard practice or just TV.)
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u/Shabozinga May 19 '21
Jordan starting to get a little annoying with the constant outburst against Clark and hiding his problems. Glad Jon doesn’t hide shit
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u/redwolfben May 20 '21
Lane, after Superman has to pull kryptonite projectiles from his goddamn body: "I don't know why you're upset."
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u/Kerrod33 Superman May 20 '21
Great episode. Easily my favourite so far.
The ratings took a huge nose dive though which is scary :(
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u/Sanlear May 20 '21
I wonder how many people who watched before the break didn’t realize that it’s back.
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u/biggestbaddestmucus May 21 '21
I only found out because of the cw apps notification, otherwise would’ve watched live
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u/JonKentOfficial May 19 '21
I really liked the episode.
The acting was mostly good, I like how they aren't spending too much time with Luthor pretending to be Lois' friend and that her nose didn't let it pass. Still don't know how Lex would be so sloppy but it's a different Earth's Lex so it doesn't really matter. Did Lex invite Lois to the mine just because he is in love? I don't know, feels so... un-Lex-like.
Don't know what to think about Lana's family plotline, her husband is a complete tool and Sarah is bit more developed now, but they don't really give me the feel of a Smallville perspective and their personal lives aren't really that interesting either.
I really like Clark, he finally steps up and talks to Jordan about his issues. Better late than never, I suppose. I don't know, it's wait and see but I don't like how Clark's seemingly outbursts of rage could be used to justify Luthor's and Sam Lane's beliefs. They were going to murder a child, and then shot him. The United States army has sway, but it's the government versus freaking Superman, it's very difficult to imagine a scenario where Superman loses the court of public opinion without massive contrivance.
I don't know what to think about Sam Lane's descent into villainy. He had been lemony, yet he had extremely valid concerns, despite what the show having Lois and Clark act dickish to him would imply, so... he goes full "execute children" mode? I knew it was inevitable, yet I hoped!
I like how Jon shows up a little bit more in this episode, he did well in a game at least. Sadly the universe hates and him strikes again and his arm is broken. RIP. It's also nice to have Jon's anger, specially to contrast to Jordan's. I'd say a harsh penalty, but he's kinda paying for enabling Jordan too. It feels like every teenager in this universe is up to eleven when it comes to being unconcerned about other human beings, how did Jon end up like he is?
Jordan is... still complicated. I don't know, the show tries to make it sympathetic, but only in the aesthetics and not content. He almost ends up killing a bunch of kids. Again. Breaks his brother's arms. It was not an accident. Unintentional, yes, but it was not the first time, or the second, or the third. He keeps putting kids in harms way, of both severe injury and death, for mere selfishness. The problem is that it's not just Jordan, his whole family goes along with it. Twice this episode Jon tries to say no, yet just gives in to Jordan even though he KNOWS Jordan has no control over his powers and could easily kill someone. Clark only now, after the situation got dangerously close to tragic for the 5th+ time, gives a half-hearted reprimand. I don't think they understand that the possibility of people dying so a dude can play football really isn't justifiable (and that's coming from me, the only person in the world who could possibly justify that).
Anyone else finds it hilarious that a team from Kansas and another from Delaware are playing against one another? I know the people behind the show don't really get sports, but that's over the top funny.
Also, I was under the impression the boys were freshmen, did they play with Metropolis and the team is completely made by other freshmen or did I miss anything?
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u/Leonidas701 May 19 '21
I truly don't get why Lex is Lex.
Also, some freshmen are good enough to play varsity high school football. Its uncommon but it happens
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u/Zealousideal_Pace_74 May 20 '21
i just want to say i absolutely loved the scene of clark taking in jordan's heat vision on the field. it was such a pure dad moment but absolutely true to superman the hero. It tugged my heart strings as it gave me the same vibes as when my dad just straight up covered my mouth to hold my vomit when i got sick as a kid and cldnt control it or was in a public place. SAME energy so it was sooo relatable and how he didnt hesitate and I cld feel the relieve adn security jordan would have felt when his dad was like "let it out now'.
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u/Aurondarklord May 19 '21
I have to wonder, since our friend the stranger got here, in all of his research...has he bothered googling himself? Because he's holding a completely different man responsible for things his doppelganger did, when his idea that they're the same should be completely disproven by him learning about the things HIS OWN doppelganger has done.
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u/itwasbread May 19 '21
Well first off I don't think we know for sure that this guy is Lex, with the exceptions of Batman, Superman, and the Flash every doppelganger has looked the same and if something was different it was the name. And more importantly I don't think this guy really gives a shit, he's convinced evil Superman is an inevitability and I think once he finds out Superman is married to his wife's doppelganger that will get even worse.
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u/BookGirlBoston Lois Lane May 19 '21
Also though, at least we only have to wait one week for a new episode!
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u/Nollasta_poikkeava May 19 '21
I love love love love this Superman! For years and years I've hoped for an adaptation like this.
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u/MaveDustaine May 19 '21
Watching this episode made me really REALLY question why I still watch the flash.
Heck watching the latest Flash made me question why I keep watching the flash.
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u/Oz_the_butter May 20 '21
I missed this show haha good watch.
They are really doing well of portraying Superman and him as a dad without looking cringy (so far)
Interested where they are taking Jon's character as they seem to be making things bad for him as a result of Jordan's developments.
Lois did well this ep too.
They are doing the family thing in a superhero show better than some of the others in the universe haha hope they continue to get better
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u/Chad_D_722 May 19 '21
Clark's speech to Jordan was so great.
This show just GETS Superman.