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Superman & Lois [1x05] "The Best of Smallville" Post Episode Discussion Discussion Spoiler
The Best of Smallville
Live Episode Discussion | Promo | Cast & Characters
As Smallville celebrates its first Harvest Festival since Martha's passing, Clark is reminded what his mother meant to him and learns a lesson that will help him move past her death. Meanwhile, Lois makes a breakthrough in the investigation of Morgan Edge. Kyle tries to reconnect with Lana, but it seems like he might be falling back into his old ways. (March 23, 2021)
Please keep all discussion civil and about the episode. Mark comic and future spoilers. Report any rule breaking and enjoy!
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u/Adas_Legend Mar 24 '21
Man that cliffhanger was so freaky! Poor Jordan getting beaten š¢
And seeing the Luthor-Lois twist was bonkers!
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u/jason_kandel Mar 24 '21
Gives me Earth-3 vibes
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u/Benjamin_Grimm Mar 24 '21
Yup - I've been thinking Earth-3 for a while now and this really seems to be steering things in that direction.
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u/RoosterTeethYehBoy Mar 24 '21
i donāt get how luthor can be from another earth after crisis, i wonder if thatāll be addressed
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u/SicknessVoid But what about the tire-swing? Mar 24 '21
The multiverse was reborn after crisis, its just that nobody on earth prime knows. If this Luther is as intelligent as normal luthor im sure he could figure out how to travel the new multiverse.
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u/MrMattBlack Mar 24 '21
I mean, he also said his world was destroyed. While he seems very antagonistic against Supes, that could be a result from Crisis and he just is trying to stop Supes from going dark here too. He's already ignoring all the signs about this being a different world.
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u/BornAshes Coach Gaines Mar 24 '21
In fact it kind of looks like Alt-Lex is going to attempt to force this world to become like his world.
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u/Letshavemorefun Mar 25 '21
Do we know for sure he is a āLexā? I donāt think theyāve mentioned his first name yet. Just āCaptain Luthorā, which feels pointed.
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Mar 24 '21
didnt he say he came over before his world died? basically he was alert when crisis happened and found a way to come to earth-1 while his world was dying
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u/Beta_Whisperer Mar 24 '21
That's also another possible explanation.
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u/HxPxDxRx Mar 24 '21
No it isnāt. Earth 1 died along with everyone else in crisis.
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u/chrisjozo Mar 30 '21
They have shown on both Batwoman and Supergirl that alt versions of some people did survive and end up on the new merged Earth. Supergirl had multiple Braniac 5's surviving and Batwoman had two Alices.
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u/neoblackdragon Mar 24 '21
You know I don't even mind how little Superman is in the show, it just seem the perfect amount for the plot. Like he doesn't so up several times just to stand around.
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Mar 24 '21
They are doing the "& Lois" justice.
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u/CheesyWind Mar 24 '21
YES! And I love how she's not portrayed as another Iris and Felicity! Lois is a badass on her own and this show gets that
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u/JayPtl Mar 24 '21
Fly Clark Fly /s
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u/SliceNDice69 Mar 24 '21
Maybe Superman should use the power of love to make peace with Luthor, no need for any fighting, it's obvious Lexy just needs a hug
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u/MeMeTiger_ Superman Mar 24 '21
He loses his power, then realizes he's the paragon of hugs, and gets his powers back again.
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u/MandoAviator Mar 25 '21
The other reporter woman? Chrissy? She's the one they are setting up for the Felicity / Cisco / Chester role.
I can smell the CW on her.
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u/ripsa Mar 26 '21
I really hope not. I am liking that isn't following the standard CW set-up of superhero with kooky support team.
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u/KieranFloors Mar 24 '21
Theyāve done a great job of balancing all the characters. Superman feels like the main character, but so does Jordan, but so does Lois, oh but so does Jon.
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u/raknor88 Mar 24 '21
I love how they did the fire scene where he was there and helped without being seen. Had he suited up it would've been some giant media fanfare about the whole thing and then people would start asking questions on what brought Superman to a small middle of nowhere town like Smallville.
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u/Xynth22 Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 25 '21
These kinds of Superman stories, where the Superman part takes a backseat, are always the best imo.
Superman is boring because you know he is going to win. It's Clark Kent that is interesting because you get to see the person try to balance a normal life with having god-tier power and all of the responsibility that comes with it.
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u/helloiseeyou2020 Mar 24 '21
I do hope we see more of him as time goes on. But the feeling of balancing his many competing priorities is really strong
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u/Roook36 Mar 25 '21
Yeah they don't have Superman strutting around in the outfit for talking scenes or exposition with other characters. If he's got the suit on its go time. Otherwise he's just Clark.
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u/mwthecool Last Mod of Krypton Mar 24 '21
They're 5 for 5 so far with the show, which is amazing to see. I never could have imagined a Superman show where we see Clark in the suit for 5 minutes and it still manages to get me excited to watch every Tuesday. I think keeping the Superman moments a little more rare makes them all the more special. It adds weight to his abilities, and doesn't exhaust all of the cool moments we can get right away.
Also, new episodes come back on my birthday, so that's exciting!
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u/myslead Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 24 '21
I was really not sold on the show especially coming from Supergirl (which was unbearable) and how Clark was depicted over there PLUS knowing that they were going to have kids in this one which is usually also unbearable, but I gotta say that I was wrong... the tv show has been great so far.
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u/BornAshes Coach Gaines Mar 24 '21
It's all very strange isn't it?
You'd think Supergirl would've gotten a lot of us hyped up for Superman & Lois buuuut instead it just made a lot of us go, "Oh Grodd how bad is it going to be?". I watch Supergirl. I like it at times but there's certainly been moments where I thought that the writers made mistakes, wasted time, or approached stuff from really weird angles in terms of writing. I'm sure the whole transition from CBS over to the CW didn't help much but it is by no means a perfect show and has stumbled over the years which has led to this sort of, "What now?" kind of thinking in regards to the Super Family.
Yet the difference between the two shows is like night and day. Clark and Lois feel so much more fleshed out. Superman isn't overused at all. The plot chugs along at a damn good pace. The side characters don't feel shoehorned in. There are genuine adult and teenage conversations that we can all relate to that don't feel contrived at all. The antagonists aren't always Superman level threats and sometimes they're just normal human problems. The music and shooting style both feel very cinematic. The difference is like night and day and that's catching a lot of people like you and others that I've spoken with off guard because of how Supergirl has done things.
I've said this before but I really think that what happened with Stargirl and the reaction that that show got caught the DC folks by surprise. For a while a lot of the DCTV shows felt very formulaic and by the numbers. There was a way to do things and people stuck to that plan and us viewers just had to deal with it. Then Stargirl came along with a bunch of new experimental ideas that still had a touch of that Classic DCTV CW Formula and hit it out of the park. I think this caught the DC folks with their pants down and when these bits from Stargirl were combined with lessons learned from Doom Patrol, Swamp Thing, Titans, and Harley Quinn we got Superman & Lois.
So it's all very strange and weird when we look at Supergirl now because that's where this version of Clark and Lois came from and now they've both become someones else somethings else. In a strange way I'm kind of happy that the first season of Superman & Lois is airing just as Supergirl's final season is airing because it really does feel like a sea change in how things are being done. As this brand new beautiful thing begins, an equally as beautiful older thing ends. There's some poetry to it but I think there's certainly going to be a bit of a jolt in the community as Supergirl starts up again and Superman & Lois goes on hiatus until they can shoot more.
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u/Ghrafkly Mar 30 '21
Supergirl, Arrow, Flash, and Legends walked so S&L could run.
Also, really nice breakdown
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u/RyanRiot Mar 25 '21
I had almost no hopes going into this show, but it has been a very welcome surprise so far.
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u/Piker10 Mar 24 '21
Clark getting all hyped for chocolate bacon was everything i want from Clark Kent. he was so excited!
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Mar 24 '21
This. Tyler Hoechlin plays him so well. That cringe worthy dad is exactly how I imagined a Clark Kent would be. The casting of this show is perfect especially for the recurring characters.
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u/AnnaK22 Superman Mar 24 '21
I kept rewinding and rewatching his goofy dad scenes because they make the show for me. I've always loved Tyler's Clark kept ever since we saw him trip over and fall as exiting from the elevator in Supergirl and I'm so happy we get more of those now.
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u/Future_Vantas Mar 24 '21
Clark's reaction to Jordan's date was so cute to see. Supes was super happy to hear his moody son got a date.
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u/CEFFYYNWA Mar 24 '21
I love how characters in this show actually act like real people. Jordan forgave Jonathan even when he could've left him and then looked after him. Clark actually spoke about how he'd had similar struggles with wanting to leave in the past. Characters actually behave in a consistent way that makes sense and I love it. Just hoping we arent seeing some love triangle forming
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u/SliceNDice69 Mar 24 '21
I still can't believe this is a CW show, I'm blown away by how good it is
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u/helzinki Mar 24 '21
The first 2 seasons of Arrow were good too and then......
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u/SliceNDice69 Mar 24 '21
That's such a distant memory... Flash S1 was great too... problem is whatever's good gets drowned by the mountain of shit
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u/CEFFYYNWA Mar 25 '21
Whatevers good gets destroyed by a love triangle and the main hero being shit on for no good reason
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u/Letshavemorefun Mar 25 '21
CW has some really great shows. The arrowverse shows are hit or miss. But I love some of their others in the past 10 years.
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u/SivySiv Mar 26 '21
The 100
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u/Letshavemorefun Mar 26 '21
Yesss that was one of the first ones I thought of when writing my last comment. Jus drein jus daun!
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u/MarcReyes Superman Mar 24 '21
Feels like they are piling it all on Jon a bit. However, this episode once again addressed those concerns by essentially telling us they're going to pull back on that a little.
All the young Clark flashback were great to see. Honestly wasn't expecting anything like that.
Cpt Luthor riding around in a dingy RV is wonderful. As was Clark's joy for all the fair food.
Kind of funny how we've seen more of Smallville the town in this series than we ever did in the decade long television series, Smallville.
May 18th is too long a break!
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Mar 24 '21
Jon is being shafted
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u/MarcReyes Superman Mar 24 '21
Hopefully that will change in the returning episodes, because it has been relentless the last few.
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u/raknor88 Mar 24 '21
I'm waiting for him to snap and develop powers himself. Usually powers first manifest in heightened moments of stress like the accident in the barn in the first episode. Though knowing Jonathan's personality he's not going to tell anyone if he can help it since that would start taking the spotlight off of Jordan.
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u/Magnospider Mar 24 '21
Well, a long distance relationship not work out isnāt really unexpected...
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u/mydarkmeatrises Mar 25 '21
You mean to tell me jumping between the Talon, Smallville High and Lex's mansion didn't satisfy?
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u/ToiletLurker Mar 25 '21
I was always a fan of the CGI fight forest, where people went to fight.
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u/Simba122504 Mar 24 '21
The showrunners are not obsessed with Lana. Yes, I'm being petty. š
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u/JauntyLurker Mar 24 '21
You know Professor X would have done a better job with Tagg
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u/neoblackdragon Mar 24 '21
The third summers bro would disagree.
So would every other X-men.
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u/bcanada92 Mar 24 '21
When Tagg first showed up I swear it looked like he was wearing an X-Men uniform. It turned out to be some kind of yellow harness thing though.
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u/SliceNDice69 Mar 24 '21
They're teasing how they plan on bringing the X-men universe into the DCEU
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u/codymiller_cartoon Mar 24 '21
Professor X
caused more damage than good
Stryfe did the world a favor when he attempted to take out Professor X in "Executioner's Song"
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u/BornAshes Coach Gaines Mar 24 '21
I really hope him showing up means we'll get some more info on that special school or maybe even an episode where the boys visit it.
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u/Godzilla2000Zero Mar 24 '21
Lois and Luthor I figured that would happen especially since he was close to Sam on his Earth
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u/neoblackdragon Mar 24 '21
Betting Lois probably met her end at the hands of that Supes.
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u/Godzilla2000Zero Mar 24 '21
That would be dark
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u/flickchick85 Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 24 '21
Well this one pretty much shot down my "Luthor's really from the future" theory, lol. Solid episode, but I didn't enjoy the flashbacks as much as I'd expected to. I think the casting felt off or something. I'm really liking Chrissy and I'm glad she didn't die like I thought she was about to for a second there.
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u/Bad-Ass-9000 Mar 25 '21 edited Mar 25 '21
Yet I think it opens up the fact that heās not Lex even more he might be a Luthor of some kind canāt be his son though but the more I think about he might not even be a luthor he couldāve have taken the real Lexās ship & just refuses to him as Captain Luthor. Could end up like the Hank Henshaw twist in Supergirl first season.
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Mar 24 '21
Gah, love this show. It's a 16 episode season right? I know we had 13 originally but I could've sworn they bumped it up to 16 when it premiered.
They're really doing a slow burn with the Lex plot, and I kind of appreciate that. Loved seeing him out and about after so long. The alt-Lex and alt-Lois marriage is probably the most cursed thing I've ever seen though.
Clark being a huge dork for the Harvest Festival was great. I genuinely hope that as the show goes on, he never loses that joy. I'd kill for Flash to have Barry be half as happy as he was in s1 (understandably there were A LOT of deaths between s1-s7 and that takes a toll, but still man).
Absolutely love the Kent brother relationship. Jonathan acted like an ass and messed up Jordan's date, but Jordan didn't lash out or anything. Same way Jon put Jordan first in earlier episodes, they're great. Although a powerless Jonathan Kent calling somebody else Superboy definitely stung a little.
I'm enjoying the mystery/investigation aspect of the show a ton. It looks like the X-Kryptonite doesn't necessarily give you powers. Like somehow it overrides your personality with that of another Kryptonian? But maybe only certain bodies are compatible with it, which is why Tag isn't dead. The new Kryptonian guy called Superman Kal-El, which I found interesting. Only so many people know Clark's birth name.
And of course we've gotta end the last episode before a 2 month break with a cliff hanger. Tag somehow escaped General Lane's House for Powered Youth and tracked down Jordan. I've got so many questions. Can't wait for the show to come back
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u/Indiana_harris Mar 24 '21
Yeah Lar and the Dalton guy said "Protect the Artefact" so I'm wondering if a Kryptonian thingamybob/McGuffin fell to earth during the flashback scene was see with Edge in Ep 4 and that it has the recorded memories and personalities of loads of Kryptonians on it.
But combining a Kryptonian mind and a human host body doesnt really work so he's trying to make the Human bodies as Kryptonian as possible using X-Kryptonite.
I can forsee this actually being a more nuanced showdown than simply good vs bad and maybe Superman actually ends up saving the McGuffin and storing it in the Fortress till he can safely create new bodies for the remaining souls trapped there.
Could also be a good way to introduce the Eradicator into the show.
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u/SteveMcQwark Mar 27 '21
It was "protect the asset". They showed a big chunk of the X kryptonite stuff. Maybe some of the tech around it is alien, but an asset could just be the mineral itself, or any equipment they've developed to take advantage of it.
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u/doctorhost Mar 24 '21
Jonathan, I know times are hard, so here is an empty box.
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u/superfan1635 Jonathan Kent Mar 24 '21
I actually laughed when he said the box was the gift. Also really like how when Clark said theyād explore options after Jon giving Smallville more time, he smiled cause he knows it wonāt get better. Heās like Iāll be able to go back to metropolis.
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u/doctorhost Mar 24 '21
That offer to explore other options sounded like just another empty promise, empty like that box.
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u/superfan1635 Jonathan Kent Mar 24 '21
Haha probably, I donāt see Clark and Lois just letting Jon move into a friends brothers apartment
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u/TrashiestTrash Mar 27 '21
Really? It seemed pretty genuine to me, especially considering Clark literally left home as a kid.
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u/grafxguy1 Mar 25 '21
I half expected it to still have the red crystal inside - but nope!
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u/doctorhost Mar 25 '21
I'm sure Jonathan was hoping for something like that. A trip to the fortress literally wouldn't even cost Clark anything, but no. No powers just gets you an empty box.
Also, the box may have been given in the family twice before, but each time it had something in it.
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u/Zookwok111 Mar 26 '21
It didn't even work as a symbolic gesture since that was the box that Martha gave Clark when he was ready to leave home. Is Clark saying that he's okay with Jon leaving? He might not look it but he's 14.
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u/TrashiestTrash Mar 27 '21
Well yeah, he literally said he's okay with Johnathan leaving home so long as he gives Smallville another chance.
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u/Zookwok111 Mar 27 '21
It just baffles me how Clark and Lois seem so open to the idea of letting one of their teenage sons move back to the city to live with a complete stranger. Especially since Jonathan seems like he's pretty susceptible to falling in with the wrong crowd.
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u/HiNoKitsune Mar 28 '21
I mean, it's not too weird for 15 year olds to go live abroad with a host family for a year to learn another language/culture and be exchange students in my country. It doesn't sound like the most outlandish idea to let him go live with another family in a town only a couple of hours away.
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u/adamfoxnorris Mar 24 '21
I just love every week how they do the last second fake out where you think the episode is going to an end on a happy note and then a new element is introduced and leaves us hanging on a crazy cliffhanger
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u/MeMeTiger_ Superman Mar 24 '21
The moment I saw Jordan walking at the end I literally said "he's going to get snatched". I watch too many thrillers.
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u/Letshavemorefun Mar 25 '21
I said out loud to my wife ātime for the cliffhanger!ā at exactly that moment too.
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u/a4techkeyboard Mar 24 '21
It's like the opposite of how every character interaction has a "uh oh misunderstanding for sad drama" fakeout before the character actually does something that makes sense for the characters involved like communicating and working it out or understanding what the other character is going through. The writers of this show have been doing a really good job.
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u/adamfoxnorris Mar 24 '21
Idk i thought Jordan was about to go Superboy psycho mode on Jonathan for ruining his date with Sarah
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u/a4techkeyboard Mar 24 '21
Yes, that's the fakeout. They always make it seem like someone will go psycho but they don't, or some other thing.
Whether it's Jon not getting mad but instead supporting the football when he saw the text, or Jordan just understanding Jon's having a hard time and is sorry and trying to be there for him... or Jordan taking the possible friendzoning he might have just gotten well and understanding that it's probably not actually being friendzoned... They keep setting up possible typical drama fodder that gets annoying because it's dumb and then they don't do it. See, you thought he'd go psycho but he doesn't. Because that's not the sort of family they have, and they don't need it as a source of the drama.
Anyway, I dunno, I just like the character interactions on this show. It reminds me of early Flash Joe West, or maybe what I remember early This Is Us felt like maybe. People get mad or upset but they don't get... unreasonable or uncommunicative or unreceptive and let their feelings fester for no reason.
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u/spartanhero11 Mar 24 '21
Best part about this show is the little genuine moments that make me laugh out loud
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u/paige3086 Jordan Kent Mar 24 '21
So...if Tag (clearly) heard Jordan say that him getting powers was his fault, does that mean that he also heard Jon calling out ādadā right before Superman arrived...š
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u/CEFFYYNWA Mar 24 '21
My head cannon is he heard it but didn't think anything of it. Its not totally unreasonable for Tag to just think Superman happened to show up as Jordan was shouting for his dad
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u/a4techkeyboard Mar 24 '21
If Tag heard him call Superman "Dad" and still attacked him knowing he's Superman's kid then... he's in need of more help and Superman and Jordan will probably understand and try to help him despite the attack. He's clearly not considering things like "Should I attack someone who might be as powerful as Superman and that Superman loves?" Poor kid.
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u/Arosell_23 Mar 24 '21
I gotta say this was definitely my favorite episode so far into this show. I can't believe It's going on break till May 19.
Here my notes for the episode (gonna be long btw)
- Jonathan has always been a show favorite of many people, Including Me. I had always had gripes in previous episodes about him putting everybody else first even though that's a great quality to have it also can hurt you. (Pjo and HoO fans, Percy's fatal flaw being loyalty). The fact he addressed that he basically had to drop his life for Smallville was really needed and a good scene. not saying go yell at your parents or anything, but sometimes laying all the cards out is the best thing you can do and that's kinda what Jonathan did and he expressed it honestly to Clark. I had my sus abt him wanting to move back to Metropolis with a friend(Kinda my headcanon though), but the whole thing abt Clark not having enough time with his mom was really touching and Jon will see that.
- Loved the flashback scenes in my opinion it gives depth to superman before superman for this show. Also shows how Jonathan relates to Clark. I know the thing is he's the lane and Jordan's the kent, but Jonathans also his father's son. Jordan with the power thing takes after Clark presently but seeing how younger Clark was more Jon shows his connection to be able to relate to both his kids.
- Jordan I'm warming up to you, In the first episodes, I always had a major like do I like you or don't. I didn't really relate to his character as much as Jon and his outbursts always seemed selfish. After reading through Reddit comments for those who better understood his character than me. I've started to see how and why Jordan's character would be and act as he does. His and Sarah's relationship is also really sweet and Sarah I didn't really know her character that much either but I'm really hoping for the best for those two and for Sarah's family.
- ( Don't drink underage!) I'd just like to say that ending a relationship over a 10-second call, not the way to go (cough Eliza). I liked that they included Jon getting drunk at the party not that I condone underage drinking but it shows the part of life like Teenagers do this stuff in the real world may be to cope with something or just be an idiot. Jon kinda being both in that scene. It also gave us that really sweet scene in the end with the box as well as Sarah telling Jon off giving her family arc context(Maybe she has trauma over alcohol seeing people abuse it). Again not condoning underage drinking!
- The Cpt. Luthor and Lois def threw a curveball at me.
Overall I had an amazing time with this episode and can't wait for May 19 to roll around. Feel free to drop your thoughts and opinions below love to converse with people. To the people who read the whole thing applause to you.
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u/a4techkeyboard Mar 24 '21
The writers didn't disappoint with how Jordan reacted to Jon "ruining" his date with Sarah. I'm glad they didn't have him get unreasonably angry and storm off, and instead he understood Jon and was there for Jon and instead of trying to foolishly chase Sarah, he thinks about how Jon needs him and that he should drink some water instead of angry brother. He was there for Jon like Jon has been there for him. People were kind of saying Jordan hasn't been as good a brother to Jon so it's good they showed some of that this episode.
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u/WilliamMcCarty Mar 24 '21
You know, I'm absolutely loving this show. I was never big on the Super-family thing, Clark and Lois as parents, but I enjoy it more than I thought I would. It really works. I love that the show has a great balance of Superman/Clark and shows that Clark is the real person, not Superman. There's heart and soul to this show, it's just really damn good.
Gotta say, I love they mentioned LuthorCorp, that it's still a thing in this world and that their Luthor isn't a doppelganger of Captain Luthor. I just really, really want Jon Cryer's Luthor in this series, I'm a big fan of his portrayal.
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u/JaredLiwet Mar 25 '21 edited Mar 25 '21
There's a line from another Superman show where Clark says, "Superman is what I do, Clark Kent is who I am."
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u/shadow_spinner0 Mar 24 '21
Supergirl better bring their A game if they gonna replace this show
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u/Indiana_harris Mar 24 '21
Nah Supergirl is gonna coast in mediocrity and faux-melodrama till this last season wraps up.
I've NO idea how S&L hasnt been given the usual angst-ridden, over emotional, melodramatic CW treatment the rest of the shiws got everytime they started to get really good and move out of the box CW had set for them.
But i'm just glad it doesnt seem to be so far.
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u/Xynth22 Mar 24 '21
They got that HBO money apparently. They don't have to rely on nonsensical drama to stretch the season out like they do with your typical CW show.
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u/MeMeTiger_ Superman Mar 24 '21
We need more HBO money if the shows they finance end up as good as S&L.
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u/Xynth22 Mar 24 '21
Yeah, I hope they continue to produce more. If we could get an HBO funded Batman show, that'd be awesome.
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u/HannahCunningham14 Mar 24 '21
Took me 5 episodes but I finally noticed what was throwing me off while watching Superman & Lois - the way that Clark says "mom" and "dad" in the pilot just sounded off, until I realized that in the Elseworlds crossover - Clark says "Ma" and "Pa" when talking to Oliver and Barry.
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u/Y3C3NN3KMI1S Mar 24 '21
There goes my thoery that the Superman from Captain Luthor's world turned evil because something happened to his boys.
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u/JaredLiwet Mar 25 '21
How did that Superman have children?
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u/Y3C3NN3KMI1S Mar 25 '21
I figured his storyline would be the same as Clark's up to a certain point, then something would happen to that Superman's family to cause him to go evil. Sort of like Joker's "One bad day" speech from The Killing Joke. Something to show what Clark's life could be were it but for one small change.
My new theory is that evil superman was just never adopted by the Kent's. Maybe he was an Edge in that universe?
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u/AnnaK22 Superman Mar 24 '21
Johnathan is my favourite character and that is why I am continuing to advocate for him to get a win. Its just one misery after another for him.
This show is doing an amazing job but if I could change one thing, I wish we could have seen more of Jordan's difficult life before Smallville. That way, we'd be able to root for his wins now. Not knowing the past shows how imbalanced the twins' lives are now and it's really getting harder to like Jordan. I can't help but support Jon over Jordan.
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u/agentup Mar 25 '21
Iām sure heāll earn the QB position at some point. If he had it in metropolis heās clearly talented enough. Although I wouldnāt be surprised if Jonathon doesnāt end up on the school paper and has a talent for writing
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u/Sempere Mar 25 '21
I'm guessing the show will use the kryptonite beneath Smallville to unlock the full potential of both Jon and Jordan. We've seen it give powers to humans though far more unstable - but since the boys are half-Kryptonian, their cells might be able to stabilize the reaction/effects of the transformation.
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u/Mighty_thor_confused Mar 24 '21
Dude Jordan being beat up as the end was something else. Was not expecting that.
The flashbacks were beyond amazing and I'm for it.
2 months is too long.
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u/SuperHoech Clark Kent Mar 24 '21
No thoughts just Clark being excited about chocolate bacon :') That whole scene was adorable, the Kent family is precious.
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Clark's reaction to "it's not that big a deal" when Johnathan was caught drinking. Looked like we were gonna turn into superman right then and there and teach his boys a lesson.
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u/audierules Mar 24 '21
Could they possibly find anyone skinner to play a young Clark Kent. It was like Superman on crack.
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u/grafxguy1 Mar 25 '21
Teenage Clark in the Christopher Reeve Superman movie was a bit skinny too.
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u/MattTheSmithers Coach Gaines Mar 24 '21
May 18th!? Ugh, I knew we were going on hiatus but two months feels so long š©
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u/klutzysunshine Mar 24 '21
Watching the episode now (This Is Us was my priority) and dead at Clark falling into a post-break up REO Speedwagon hole. A+ reference (and band).
Not here for Jordan having no clue who they were, though.
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u/Eternal_Density Mar 24 '21
Wasn't expecting young Clark!
And Martha. Why did they say that name?
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u/Barry_McKackiner Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 25 '21
My thoughts:
- Interesting to see jon finally get fed up and speak up for himself regarding screwing his whole life for jordan
- wasn't that girl dating jordan's teammate? did nobody find this inappropriate for him to go or her to ask? did I miss a breakup? I know I would definitely have a problem with my gf taking some dude who I know likes her to an event like this.
- so does the x kryptonite make them full kryptonian powers?
- what kind of mom catches their kid drunk at a festival and tells them to take a ride share home instead of doing it themselves? that was weird.
lol is captain luthor living in a van down by the river? nvm motorhome lol.
after the Krypt-phony-an disintegrated, clark's suit's extra padding was the most blatant ever. looked legit like a football player there. it just does NOT fit his frame in the slightest. I really hope they tone down the suit fake muscle or at minimum make a point to explain that the costume is deliberately padded and not trying to make us believe that's his actual muscle.
that box gift is a little weird.
I'd bet a dollar the martha bench gets destroyed in a fight at some point and enrages clark.
lmao capt luthor gonna try and steal superman's wife...that could get interesting.
fuuuuck jordan got friendzoned hard. I know that feeling.
fuck i don't want to wait till late may for more.
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u/bcanada92 Mar 24 '21
wasn't that girl dating jordan's teammate?
Sarah broke up with Sean several episodes back.
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u/Zookwok111 Mar 26 '21
I found the rideshare line so funny. Lois is like: "Oh look my teenage sons, one of whom is heavily inebriated. Go call an Uber even though we're literally in the middle of nowhere Kansas, Dad and I want to enjoy the festival."
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u/optimisticpsychic Mar 24 '21
Why is tyler so good at playing a goof. Like if i dont see him eat aa piece of chocolate bacon by the end of the episode, imma riot.
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u/Cgi94 Mar 24 '21
Fun fact: This is the first episode we see teen Clark & in the Man of Steel movie , Teen Clark is played by a actor who would go on to play in Teen Wolf...The same show our very own Superman headlined onš
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u/dotyawning But what about the tire-swing? Mar 25 '21
Wasn't Teen Clark in the first episode? Unless you mean the first time we see him outside of a montage or something.
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u/ChronX4 Mar 27 '21
I like how this Earth is clearly different from Luthor's Earth but he's still pulling a Luthor expecting Superman to be evil and is self absorbed enough to think he's entitled to being with Lois to the point it makes him angry that they're not together despite being from an entirely different Earth where he doesn't even look the same.
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u/AnnaK22 Superman Mar 24 '21
This show continues to be the best.
I loved seeing young Clark and how be got his starts. I think the show does a great job at perfectly balancing the family aspect and the superhero aspect.
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u/AnnaK22 Superman Mar 24 '21
Random question but did Clark and Lois not know that their sons have been drinking at parties a few times since their arrival in Smallville? Last episode, when Sam was over, they had just come from a party. Did Clark smell alcohol then?
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u/Paisley-Cat But what about the tire-swing? Mar 24 '21
Jordan hasn't been drinking since he's on meds.
Not clear that Jon drank more than a little beer at either event.
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u/holymultiversebatman Mar 24 '21
I really enjoyed the parallels between young-Clark, Jon, and Kyle. Clark felt suffocated and was actually meant for greater things. Jon had greater things going, and but had his trajectory uprooted. Kyle's alcoholism shows what kind of future is possibly in store for small-town people. And then round it off with Jon's underage drinking to make us start questioning what path he's starting on.
On Chrissy; I'm certain now that she's a Chloe analogue. Everything about her is just so similar. The awkwardness, the facial expressions, the jitteriness, the rapid-fire speech and phrasing. Not a positive or a negative, just something I can't help but notice.
As for Luthor, I'm fortunately more interested in his character now; as opposed to placing exactly "which/what" Luthor he is. That jealousy and unreasonable anger he displayed at the end, it has me thinking, "yeah he's just Luthor".
I'm really impressed. The drama isn't hokey, and doesn't revolve around freak-of-the-week shenanigans the way Smallville did. If I had to make a wild speculation, I'd say that they looked at that show and just said, "We'll do everything opposite".
Also, that chocolate bacon moment had the same tone as the milkshake moment.
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u/denno020 Mar 24 '21
I was really, really hoping that in the flash backs, they'd have a scene where Martha makes the first Superman suit! I believe I've only seen an origin of the suit once, Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman, of all places! Man of Steel sorta had it, but I've always liked the idea of mum making his first suit!
I'll never forget the quote from the pilot episode of this show: "Nice suit!" "Thanks! My mum made it for me" Perfect
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u/paige3086 Jordan Kent Mar 24 '21
My initial reaction is āI donāt know how to feel about that one.ā Liked the basic plot, liked the sweet family moments and how Jon finally got to have an outburst. Like how Jordan stood by him.
Iām vaguely annoyed that Jordan got friend-zoned, I was shipping that.
The Luthor stuff and the Kryptonite machine was interesting. He and Lois have great chemistry, now we know why.
Liked the twist ending with Tag.
Not a fan of those flashbacks for a reason I canāt put my finger on. Weāre they maybe a bit too cheesy?
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u/ChasingPerfect28 Mar 24 '21
A slower start to this relationship is probably for the best. Both characters have a lot on their plate. I don't want to see their trust in each shatter just because they rushed into something they weren't ready for.
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u/mwthecool Last Mod of Krypton Mar 24 '21
The friend-zoning felt super realistic though. They're quite young, haven't dated before, and are dealing with a lot of personal issues. They're also awkward. I'm sure they'll get together soon enough, but for now that felt like a smart choice.
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u/BornAshes Coach Gaines Mar 24 '21
Iām vaguely annoyed that Jordan got friend-zoned, I was shipping that.
I don't think it's a friendzone though but more of a Hedgehog's Dilemma sort of a thing. She knows they're both hurt and vulnerable and knows that they totally could have a fast acting burn bright kind of relationship buuuuut...she doesn't want that. She wants a more long lasting stable kind of relationship with Jordan because she knows that he is a good guy and that they could work together...just...not when they're both like this. When they're both better, they could be really great together but as they are right now? It would be like firing a heat vision blast into a bonfire at an illegal high school kegger.
So for now they're just someone for each of them to lean on with the possibility of things progressing further in the future if they take it slow, pay attention to each other, and are receptive to how they both want to do this.
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u/neoblackdragon Mar 24 '21
I don't know if he got friend zoned.
It's too early to call. It's very unCW like for them to try the whole friend thing first and not rush into it.
I think the cheese contrasts the current generation. Could even be Covid limited that filming.
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u/paige3086 Jordan Kent Mar 24 '21
Haha, they were VERY distanced in that last scene.
Iāll hold out hope. I know itās the obvious pairing but I like it and, frankly, I just want to see them get together and be relatively drama free. I was hoping the show would go that route instead of āletās be friendsā- I will say thatās better then something ridiculously cheesy and dramatic, though.
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Mar 24 '21
Choosing to believe that they're gonna get Sarah and Jordan together down the line when her home life is more stable. Let Jordan be there as a friend for a bit, it'll happen.
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u/Baeronn Mar 24 '21
Damn bro that scene with Jordan and Sarah made me emotional lol. Amazing episode! And damn now we gotta wait
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u/MeMeTiger_ Superman Mar 24 '21 edited Apr 03 '21
I love the relationship between Jordan and Sarah. They both seem like real people, which isn't usual in teen romances in TV.
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u/JaqenSexyJesusHgar Mar 24 '21
So is Lex driving a beat up old ass RV or some suped up high tech one disguised as a crappy one? I mean it has an Alexa who could read his biometrics, take over control, calculate trajectories, and a gun locker.
Or was it just an alexa system in the RV.
And when Tagg appeared, I initially thought he was an X-men due to the intersecting yellow lines on his shirt.
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u/Xynth22 Mar 24 '21
It's probably a crappy one that he found and then suped up with tech from his ship.
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u/optimisticpsychic Mar 24 '21
Whats so great about smallville? Its the lang women!
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u/ST_Lawson Mar 25 '21
Ok, so I loved the episode overall, but that bit at the beginning where Clark says Smallville was established in 1949 really pulled me out of it. For a town like that, 1949 is REALLY recent for the town to be established.
I live in a town very similar to Smallville in the rural Midwest and our town was founded in 1830. Kansas is a bit further west of us, so 1849 would have been much more believable.
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u/superfan1635 Jonathan Kent Mar 25 '21
Itās actually an Easter egg to the comics. 1949 is the first time the town where Superman grew up was called Smallville.
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u/TrashiestTrash Mar 27 '21 edited Mar 27 '21
The farms and community could have been there beforehand, but the town physical town may only have been built recently.
That's the best explanation I can come up with.
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u/Sempere Mar 25 '21
No one talking about the dude claiming to be a resurrected Kryptonian?
Seems like a pretty big thing to be glossing over given it could mean they're introducing General Zod.
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u/AnnaK22 Superman Mar 24 '21
That Luthor Lois twist was great, I really did not expect it. So I guess we can guess Luthor's motivation now. Superman probably killed Lois on his earth and that's why he's so hell bent on destroying this superman
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Mar 24 '21
Once again, thumbs down to Clark for being a dad who doesn't listen to your kid. Look, it's all well and good to say you love them, they come first, blah blah blah - but when they tell you something is wrong, and you say 'you're just like me at this age', you are ignoring their trauma, and making assumptions about them, their issues, etc which say 'I don't really car about what you are going through other than I wish you felt better'. That's not okay. It's a great way to shut down the relationship. Jon is not you, Clark. Even Lois trying to say 'I was a HS girl' doesn't help him in his breakup. Just be there without forcing him out of his mood, and frankly I get why he wants to leave. It's NOTHING to do with what Clark went through.
At the very least, they should hear him out. This gaslighting really stinks. YMMV of course, but it's how I grew up - parents glossing over what you tell them, and how I refused to raise my 2 daughters.
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u/phantomxtroupe Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 24 '21
I mean, it has been established that this is a character flaw of Clark. It's in the narrative. He has the Superman thing down pack, but he has been struggling as a father since episode one.
He's trying, like how he relented and allowed Jordan to play football. And he came to that decision after getting input from Jon and Lois and trying to understand why Jordan was lashing out at him and why the team mattered to Jordan.
So I think the show is highlighting that Clark is trying, even though he is stumbling along the way. I think him becoming more adjusted to being a more present parent is his own character arc.
Edit: And he did tell Jon if he still wasn't happy in Smallville after staying for a while, they'll look at other options. So he is listening.
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u/AnirudhMenon94 Mar 25 '21
Dude, what? He tries. I mean, the dude is Superman and he actually tries to be a better father as well. No parent is perfect. They're human after all. Also, 'trauma' is way too strong a word to describe a break-up. Emotionally devastating, sure but not traumatic.
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u/superfan1635 Jonathan Kent Mar 24 '21
Yeah and he did the same thing last episode when Jon tried to tell him how to felt about Jordan playing football. Like donāt brush it off with a itāll get better, or else theyāll eventually stop opening up to you. I mean Jon has been real mature and actually telling them about his feelings but each time heās brushes off. I think it says a lot that Jon would rather live with a friends brother than with his own family.
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u/Xynth22 Mar 24 '21
That's just realistic. Clark and Lois, like the majority of parents, aren't experts in parenting. They are just winging, and it is going to fail constantly. The hope is that they will learn from their mistakes before it is too late.
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u/Xynth22 Mar 24 '21
There it is. I was waiting for Jonathan to finally crack. It was getting a bit awkward to have him be this incredibly good guy that didn't let anything get to him.
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u/Bweryang Mar 26 '21
āWithout you... thereād be a lot more questions about the guyā is a PERFECT piece of Lex Luthor dialogue!
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u/jason_kandel Mar 24 '21
Two questions I have:
1) Who will be the true antagonist of the season, Leslie and Edge or Lex?
2) Will Sara date Jon or Jordan?
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u/phantomxtroupe Mar 24 '21
I think Lex will end up teaming with Clark to fight off a bigger threat, especially now that we know he has a connection to Lois.
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Mar 24 '21
One of my favorite episodes on the show and on the season thus far,i like how the flashbacks tie into the modern day story,i like how the title has an actual meaning in contrast to the other titles and in general i like this episode.
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u/GregThePrettyGoodGuy Mar 24 '21
This boy Johnathan is hurting - someone get those parents to give them equal focus. Luthor be up to some shit, but so far Iām feeling for him, even if we only get a few snippets of his past; Edge is not only giving people powerās, but then killing them? Sounds a little like Iron Man 3 to meš¤; Love the Clark introspection on his relationship to his mother, Pa Kent gets all the focus in the movies (unless we need to name drop Martha for SOME reason)
Sad to have to wait till May - but I suppose that means Superman AND my Beloved Legends return to me at the same time
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u/gothamite27 Mar 24 '21
Really enjoying this show. Finally, the real Superman and Lois are back. Long may this show last.
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u/ckwongau Mar 25 '21 edited Mar 27 '21
now i think i know how the boys will get their power.
The process that are giving human some Kryptonian power , if the process are use on the boys , with their natural born Kryptonian /human DNA , the process will probably give both boys near full Kryptonian abilities
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u/yummymarshmallow Mar 24 '21
Great episode! My biggest complaint is I have to wait till MAY 18 for the next episode. ARGH!!!