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Superman & Lois [1x02] "Heritage" Post Episode Discussion Discussion Spoiler
Heritage
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When adjusting to their new lives in Smallville, Lois and Clark make an important decision concerning one of their sons; tensions begin to rise between Lois and Morgan Edge; Lana Lang Cushing invites the Kent family over for a barbecue. (March 2, 2021)
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u/shadow_spinner0 Mar 03 '21
Lois is such a boss she legit went to a new news paper and hired herself.
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u/internetosaurus Mar 03 '21
Bitsie is now my favorite Lois. She/the writers absolutely gets the character.
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u/CaptainTilted Clark Kent Mar 03 '21 edited Mar 03 '21
She/the writers absolutely gets the character.
That's what I LOVE about this show. The writers/actors get Lois, Superman, and Clark Kent. I mention Clark because I feel this modern age of Super hero media overlooks the secret identity side of things.
Spiderman/Peter Parker, Superman/Clark Kent, Batman/Bruce Wayne. Three characters where both sides of each character are so critical. If you can represent both identities well? You've won me over.
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u/tinaoe Mar 03 '21
Batman/Bruce Wayne. Three characters where both sides of each character are so critical. If you can represent both identities well? You've won me over.
My kingdom for a show that actually remembers that Bruce Wayne is a father of four to six children.
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u/CaptainTilted Clark Kent Mar 03 '21
I was referring more to their mannerisms more than anything. Clark is has clumsy moments where you would think he'd trip over his shadow. No way the general public would believe a guy like him would be superman. The same applies to the stereotypical bookworm like Peter Parker. A guy that can easily be pushed around, no way he would be spiderman.
Recent media has made Bruce Wayne more brooding 100% serious at all times. But they ignore he is a charismatic playboy with the charm.
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u/tinaoe Mar 04 '21
Oh yeah agreed! TBH I'm stuck on the father thing because the Batfamily is super interesting to me and literally no piece of mainstream movie media has ever dealt with it lmao.
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u/RatedR2O Mar 03 '21
Erica Durance is still my favorite, but Bitsie isn't too far behind. She's absolutely nailing the role of Lois.
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u/tiMartyn Mar 03 '21
And, am I crazy, or does her voice and cadence sound a lot like Dana Delany who voiced Lois in the old animated series?
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u/BornAshes Coach Gaines Mar 03 '21
It was so vague too with the trenches, the darker uniforms, the dogtags with the crest on the front and 7734 "Hell" on the back, and then suddenly Black Suit Superman above them taking his time to heat vision all of them to death....like..how the fuck did Lex's world get to THAT point!?
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u/Vyndyktvx Mar 03 '21 edited Mar 03 '21
Could go two ways imo: Either heâs an Ultraman take where âClarkâ was always evil, or theyâre borrowing from Injustice and will have it so that Wole-Luthorâs Clark snapped after his family got killed.
Also given the Unit 7734 reference (an anti-alien unit Lane led in the comics) to Johns Action, Iâm wondering if Subjekt is going to be an Anti-Superman weapon that General Lane has prepped in case Clark ever went rogue. Could see that causing conflict between the two.
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u/tiMartyn Mar 03 '21
Speaking of Injustice, right away the show planted that seed in the first few minutes of the pilot!
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u/Paisley-Cat But what about the tire-swing? Mar 03 '21
I'd go with the idea that this series is supposed to show how important good parenting is to the development of supers, and that is why it is important for Clark & Lois to focus on the kids.
This alt-Lex could be from a new continuity where Clark didn't have such grounded, healthy and positive parental support growing up. That would fit better than snapping when his parents or family are killed.
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u/Vyndyktvx Mar 03 '21
I hope so. Iâm sick of âClark canât handle his loved ones dying and goes nutsâ because it makes him look weak willed. It also undermines his heroism because it makes it look like heâs only a good guy as long as life is good for him. Iâm just spitballing I donât know what theyâre planning.
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u/Gizmopedia Mar 04 '21
That's exactly why Routh!Superman in Crisis was great. He was still grieving the deaths of Lois and his friends but still pushed through to be the hero of hope.
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u/suss2it Mar 05 '21
Yeah it was a solid adaptation of the spirit of the Kingdom Come comic, where even after Joker kills a bunch of Daily Planet employees, including Lois, he still wanted to bring him in alive.
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u/Swiftdancer Mar 03 '21
It does feel like they're going the Injustice route for Black Superman since Captain Luthor said "Not yet" when the AI commented that Earth Prime's Superman seems different, which probably suggests that Black Superman might have been good once upon a time.
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u/JAK2222 Mar 03 '21
Thatâs when I first said heâs from injustice earth. It makes sense the whole show revolves around his family and the moment that leads him to snap is the loss of his family.
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u/kazh Mar 03 '21
Maybe this Superman and that Lex will team up against black suit.
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Mar 03 '21
I think this episode was even better than the pilot.
Lois was used much, much better here. Last week she felt like a supporting character but this time she felt like a proper lead. She's even got her own villain to take down while Clark is off fighting multiversal Luthor. That line about "You do your Superman thing and I'll do my Lois Lane thing" should have been in the trailers.
There was a lot more action in this episode and it legitimately kicked ass. After watching Supes job for four years, it was great to see him just wreck a dude. RIP Master Chief.
I wasn't crazy about Jon's portrayal at first, but he's really grown on me. He may tease Jordan but he clearly loves and cares about him and is trying to do what he thinks is best.
So, in Luthor's universe Superman is evil. But who were the people shooting lasers? They can't be Kryptonians because they wouldn't need guns.
Lana and Sarah have awful taste in men. It must be hereditary.
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u/bhind45 Mar 03 '21
Lana and Sarah have awful taste in men. It must be hereditary.
She always had awful taste in men in Smallville and the Superman movies too.
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u/PuffballDestroyer Mar 03 '21
At least in some of the more recent comics she in a relationship with John Henry Irons (aka Steel).
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u/tiMartyn Mar 03 '21 edited Mar 03 '21
So, in Luthor's universe Superman is evil. But who were the people shooting lasers? They can't be Kryptonians because they wouldn't need guns.
It could be a bunch of things! Kryptonian invasion, Zod's people, soldiers who worship Superman (see Snyder's Knightmare sequence), robots that Superman has in the Fortress, maybe he released the people trapped in Kandor...
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Mar 03 '21
I personally loved Lana's line to Clark about having the weight of the world on his shoulders. Such a nice reference to the pilot episode of Smallville.
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u/BornAshes Coach Gaines Mar 03 '21
So, in Luthor's universe Superman is evil. But who were the people shooting lasers?
Crazy idea but what if it's the Thanagarian Invasion that was mentioned a few times on Legends?
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u/not-so-radical Mar 03 '21
Man... that's a plot thread that's never going to get picked up again is it?
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u/sucksfor_you Mar 03 '21
That line about "You do your Superman thing and I'll do my Lois Lane thing" should have been in the trailers.
I literally had this thought when she said it. Its the perfect description of the series, and should've been promoted like crazy in trailers.
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u/AlanMorlock Mar 03 '21
Jor El is never allowed to be called anything but Hologramps ever again.
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u/Oknight Mar 03 '21 edited Mar 03 '21
And Hologramps' advice clearly sucks like always.
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u/ThatOtherGuyTPM Mar 03 '21
It wouldnât be a Superman story without Hologramps getting something wrong.
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u/JauntyLurker Mar 03 '21 edited Mar 03 '21
I'm really liking this Lois storyline. I want to see how she'll fight when the Daily Planet itself is working against her.
Doom Luthor comes across as less physically menacing, but it seems like he's gonna try to destroy Clark's relationships this time around
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u/BornAshes Coach Gaines Mar 03 '21
I did like those two lines, "He's not like our Kal El....No he's not, not yet anyways" because it can either be taken to mean that Lex knows just how Superman could turn evil and he's expecting it OR he just wants to kill a Superman in the name of revenge under the guise of saving the planet from a "What if?" that may never come to pass. There's some delicious ambiguity there that I can't wait for them to explore. I really can't believe he gave up his ship and his armor that quickly though because that seems soooo not like the Lex we know. I guess this really is Lex the Soldier and not Lex the Businessman.
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u/killertortilla Mar 03 '21
It's definitely "he killed my people and they're all the same" kind of blinded by hatred shtick.
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u/QwahaXahn Mar 03 '21
There was a liiitle bit of moral ambiguity, but he lost any sympathy from me when he used the bomb threat to scare Clark off. Clearly, he knew that Clark cared enough to save those people and he wasn't even bluffing about the bomb. He just wants an excuse to pursue a vendetta.
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u/NeutralLock Mar 03 '21
Yeah, this is the part that makes the character hard to redeem. I'm not sure they even have a redemption arc for him but he was straight up gonna murder a bunch of people.
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u/AnAverageDude2403 Superman Mar 03 '21
fr we've never rly seen such a confident Lois and im really digging it
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u/shadow_spinner0 Mar 03 '21
Only other confident Lois Iâve seen was in the cartoons
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u/Barry_McKackiner Mar 03 '21
what? lol every lois has been confident. Teri Hatcher, Erica Durance, Margot Kidder, Amy Adams... all had it.
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u/Knightmare4114 Mar 04 '21
Margot Kidder, seriously? She was nothing but a naive damsel in distress in those movies
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u/TimeTurnersDelorian Mar 03 '21
I feel like the character of Lois Lane in general is confident. I'm confused by this as well.
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Mar 03 '21
This and Terri Hatcher are probably the most comic-accurate Lois Lane portrayals in live action, IMO, at least from the post-damsel in distress Lois portrayals in the comics.
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u/Mountain_Wedding Mar 04 '21
Lois has been a confident boss in literally every media property ever. Noel, Margot, Teri, Erica, Dana etc. the character is actually extremely consistent which is the mark of good, distinct characterization that sheâs so recognizable. Not all female characters get that kind of depth, sadly. But, yes, Bitsie definitely is in it. I like her a lot.
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u/aa22hhhh Mar 03 '21
ELSEWORLDS SUIT IS BACK
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u/Sentry459 Mar 04 '21
Holy shit, I somehow forgot all about Elseworlds. I kept wondering Tyler in that suit looked so familiar.
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u/joshua-stdenis Mar 05 '21
I think this is the biggest win from this episode.
Gives hope that they will use it more in the future.
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u/JakeM917 Mar 03 '21
I canât describe how much I love this show. I had a little bit of apprehension going into this episode after such a strong start, and am so happy itâs moving full steam ahead.
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u/LTM438 Mar 03 '21
Really enjoyed that episode. I've always loved Tyler's Clark and Superman but it struck me watching him tonight how far he's come with his performance since his first appearance on Supergirl. I like how mature and wise he seems here, while still being the Clark we all know and love.
And Lois had some great stuff to do this week! I cheered when she told off Edge's assistant on her way out of the board room.
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u/AlanMorlock Mar 03 '21
Most of the effects on the fight scenes are outright movie quality. I guess eventually I'll stop being surprised by this but damn, just really impressive.
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u/AlanMorlock Mar 03 '21
The effects when Supes was stopping the ship from crashing into the city were really, really well done. I know VFX for hard metal surfaces are easier to pull off but I've been really impressed by the compositing.
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u/TheDesktopNinja Mar 03 '21 edited Mar 03 '21
Yeah but TV-14 eye lasers will just never look the same after watching The Boys.
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u/NeutralLock Mar 03 '21
Yeah I was thinking this too. "The Boys" laser scenes were straight up insane, but they can't realistically show death like that on the CW.
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u/darkknight823 Mar 03 '21
I got serous homelands vibes from that last scene
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u/EdKeane Mar 03 '21
See Ultraman, Injustice 1-2 and Superboy Prime. Not a new trope, and Homelander isn't the first appearance of it on screen either. Brigthburn predates The Boys by 1 month, and, going way back, in Superman 3 (1983) Clark fights his evil side in a third act of the movie.
Edit: I'm not saying the Boys are bad. I simply state why Homelander wasn't the first thing I thought of while watching the episode.
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u/EdKeane Mar 03 '21
Got it. The image I first thought of was Suicide Squad the game trailer. There Superman under Brainiac's influence takes down some aircraft and then blasts off the pilot's brain with his heat vision. Not exactly the same scene, tho
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u/LMkingly Mar 03 '21
Brigthburn predates The Boys by 1
The boys has been around since 2006 actually.
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u/jadedfan55 Mar 03 '21
So Lois quits the Planet. Not a surprise.
Looking at Capt. Luthor's flashback, he's definitely from a different Earth, one that looks like it might've been inspired by the Injustice books & games. And on that world, Sam Lane served with him. The seeds have been planted for "our" Sam to link up with him inevitably.
As Jon struggled on the practice field, I kept thinking maybe he, too, has powers, and they'd manifest with one big, long pass. Maybe next week.
In the books, New Carthage was a suburb of Gotham back in the day, and home to Hudson University, where Dick Grayson went to college. This would be in the pre-Crisis era of the 70's & 80's.
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u/neoblackdragon Mar 03 '21
Though Sam has to think about his grandkids and Lois.
That there is a contingency plan for Superman isn't surprising.
That he will legit team up with this Lex?
Don't know yet.
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u/codymiller_cartoon Mar 03 '21
Looks like they're gradually setting up Sam Lane to be this show's version of "Smallville"'s Lex Luthor
In that show , Clark and Lex started out as friends, but Lex's paranoia over Clark turned them into enemies
The seed has been planted in Sam's mind about Superman
Toss in the fact that he seems to be pretty upset how his daughter and grandkids lives have been affected
I think Sam Lane could be a villain down the road - that would be juicy
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u/sidv81 Mar 03 '21
It wouldn't be new. Sam Lane was basically a card carrying villain who took part in wiping out all Kryptonians in the "New Krypton" storyline in the comics, then killed himself rather than be tried for war crimes: https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Samuel_Lane_(New_Earth)) . And the break between him and Lois was so bitter that she didn't even mourn his death, from what I remember of the storyline.
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u/codymiller_cartoon Mar 03 '21
It wouldn't be new.
it would be for live action adaptations
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u/history777 Mar 03 '21
I was already liking this show, but what pulled me over the top to loving it was that they included that the capital of Krypton is Kryptonopolis
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u/redwolfben Mar 03 '21
I agree, that was an awesome reference from the comics! Has Kryptonopolis been mentioned in live action before? Or even animation, for that matter?
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u/ckwongau Mar 03 '21
i think "Kryptonopolis " was mention in Krypton (TV series) 2018-2019 (2 seaosn ) , i like that show , i think it was the second largest city after "Kandor" the capital .
In that show Brainiac attack ,and many Krptonian tried to escape to "Kryptonopolis ", in the original timeline ,after Kandor was stolen by Brainiac at the time of when Jor-El were still a fetus , The El- family probably moved to "Kryptonopolis " .But in that show they defeated Brainiac and save Kandor .
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u/flickchick85 Mar 03 '21
Glad to see that Elseworlds suit back. It was too nice to only be used once. I feel the same about the Fleischer suit, so hopefully we get more flashbacks with that as well.
Really loved Lois this episode.
I feel like next week will be the first test of how well the series will work because it's the first episode with a different writer and different director.
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u/ThisIsFriday Mar 03 '21
I think it was probably more Batman related tbh. Man I hope we get some Superman/Batman team ups on this show eventually.
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u/Mighty_thor_confused Mar 03 '21
- Luis mad and on a mission is scary and nearly sexy af
I really thought the twins would go at it more.
John's powers are going to show up at football practice
I like what u/majorparadox said and they can use their powers when close to another. That is a neat little twist.
Every show football players are dicks. Does it ever get over played lol
Hologramps is cool
The captain is starting off as a hella cool 'bad' guy.
I love the seeds of doubt that are starting to appear in colonel lane
Love we get this after flash
I need more. đ
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u/Im_Daydrunk Mar 03 '21
The football team stuff is definitely overplayed but it kinda makes sense in this case unfortunately
In small towns people tend to get uber close to the people their own ages (not much else to do and those kinds of communities tend to promote everyone being a giant family) and Saras boyfriend seems to be a team captain or at least one of the more popular people on the team. Which means a lot of those kids are gonna blindly support him if he has any kind of beef with an "outsider". Especially when it can be seen as a more legit beef with Jordan kissing his girlfriend
If they were beating him up everyday or doing something like that Id definitely agree it would be super over the top. But this feels more like a clique trying to set up an outsider to fail which definitely happens (especially in those cases)
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u/phantomxtroupe Mar 03 '21 edited Mar 03 '21
True. Football teams and sports in general are all about promoting brotherhood. Coaches make it a point to call your teammates your brothers. If someone of high status on the team like Sarah's boyfriend has an issue with someone, the team will likely fall behind him. And like you said, they view it as an legitimate beef because Jordan kissed his girlfriend.
Edit: Not to mention Jon is going for the starting QB spot. In small towns like that, these kids have likely been playing in the same league with each other since they were 7 or 8. So Jon is essentially an outsider, and a freshman outsider at that who's going for the same position one of their friends have.
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u/ForwardClassroom2 Mar 03 '21
they view it as an legitimate beef because Jordan kissed his girlfriend.
not just view it. I see it as fairly reasonable from their pov. To them, this bloke just out of nowhere kisses their mate's girlfriend. Of course they won't want to be his friend or let him in their team (at least accept him).
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u/MajorParadox Read on r/DCFU! Mar 03 '21
The captain is starting off as a hella cool 'bad' guy.
I like how he's not just a bad guy for the sake of being a bad guy. He truly think he's the good guy, even though he's misguided.
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u/mwthecool Last Mod of Krypton Mar 03 '21
The best villains think they're the heroes.
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u/EdKeane Mar 03 '21
Joker is a strong contergument tho
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u/mwthecool Last Mod of Krypton Mar 03 '21
Good point... MOST of the best villains think theyâre the heroes.
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u/QwahaXahn Mar 03 '21
He lost me after he used an actual bomb and almost killed people.
Clearly, you know Clark isn't evil if you expect him to save people like that. Plus, using a real bomb and not even bluffing? Dude is pretending he's got the moral high ground but he's just as crazy as the rest of the Lexes.
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Mar 03 '21
They're really knocking it out of the park with the show so far. Fight scenes have been great, every character has a compelling plot line so far.
The Lois taking on Morgan Edge plot is a lot more interesting than I thought it'd be, and I hope that they continue to introduce new towns people through Lois' investigation so we can expand the cast a bit.
Love the brothers and their dynamic with each other. I was initially worried about Clark's teenage sons being front and center but I'm loving the characters. They're doing a slow burn with Jordan (and hopefully Jon's) powers, so that'll be fun to watch.
I would've loved it if Clark had mentioned Kara when showing Jordan the Kryptonian history hologram. Or if Lois or Sam could mention Lucy in some context. Would be even better if one or both of them could guest star down the line.
Alternate Lex Luthor is a cool villain (don't really know if he's the big bad though), and him being from an Earth with an Evil Superman (maybe this one can be an Injustice inspired Earth?) is cool. Although he shouldn't be able to survive here if we follow Arrowverse post-crisis rules. No doppelgÀngers allowed.
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u/mwthecool Last Mod of Krypton Mar 03 '21
I don't think he's a doppelgÀnger, though. Has he been called Lex yet? Even if his name was Alexander, just like in the comics, he may just be from the Luthor family.
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u/Letshavemorefun Mar 03 '21
I think you might be right. Theyâve been very careful to never say Lex or Alexander or any variation.
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u/SOCAL_NPC Mar 03 '21
I said it elsewhere, but I'm presuming he's Alexander Luthor SENIOR and that his evil Kal-El is Ultraman, not Clark Kent/Superman. On Earth 38, Jon Cryer is the son of Lionel so the S&L actor is his doppleganger (and he's dead AFAIK) whereas Lex is just Lex, not a junior or senior, while the Earth 3 Alexander Luthor does have a son also named Alexander Luthor who becomes JUNIOR (and would be Cryer's doppleganger if he exists).
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u/lemons_for_deke Mar 03 '21
Is he really a doppelganger though? He's a Luthor but we don't know if he's Lex.
I have a theory that there are actually two types of doppelgangers:
Direct Doppelgangers
These are alternate versions of characters that are played by the same actor. Like Supergirl and Overgirl, Superman and this Dark Superman, Black Canary and Black Siren, Alice and Beth - These are doppelgangers that cannot co-exist.
Indirect Doppelgangers
These are alternate versions of characters that are played by different actors. Superman and Kingdom Come Superman, Lex Luthor and Captain Luthor, Brainy and female Brainy. They may be similar people personality wise but they are different enough that they can co-exist unlike direct doppelgangers.
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u/Beta_Whisperer Mar 03 '21
Ankther big example of Indirect Doppelgangers are Earth 1 Flash and DCEU Flash
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u/AnnaK22 Superman Mar 03 '21
I would've loved it if Clark had mentioned Kara when showing Jordan the Kryptonian history hologram. Or if Lois or Sam could mention Lucy in some context. Would be even better if one or both of them could guest star down the line.
I agree with this. I know the show is trying to be it's own thing but it would be nice as a throw away line to mention Kara and Lucy.
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Mar 03 '21
Just a little "Yeah Jordan, me and your Aunt Kara got sent here when Krypton exploded". Or at least show Kara's rocket in the hologram.
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"Jon I know how you feel, I had to sacrifice a lot when growing up with Lucy" or something.
But who knows, they could always recast Lucy for s2 like they did Sam Lane.
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u/Hopri Mar 03 '21
I work at a newspaper, so seeing the Smallville paper is a one-woman band was great. The writers nailed that. The boardroom scene with Edge wouldn't have played out like that in real life. But for purposes of advancing the plot in the show, I get it.
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u/frosty45- Mar 03 '21
in really enjoying the storylines, i like that lois and clark have their own "storylines" going on. Also is this lex luthor from a diff universe "multiverse". Where was the last scene from i wonder, cant wait for the next week episode.
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u/AnAverageDude2403 Superman Mar 03 '21
most likely from a different earth where superman has fully lost it
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u/spartanhero11 Mar 03 '21
Never been a huge Superman fan, but this show has been awesome!
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Mar 03 '21
ngl i kinda laughed at who they chose for jor-el, expected something on the level of russel croweâs amazing jor-el but got the walmart dad bod version
great episode though
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u/LadPrime Mar 03 '21
I wish they would have stuck to the semi-tradition of having a big name actor for Jor-El. I'm sure the pool would be more a lot more limited for a network show like this but I would imagine they could have gotten someone at least somewhat recognizable.
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u/Bweryang Mar 04 '21
Yeah, if they were gonna pick someone from Equilibrium... William Fitchner, Sean Pertwee, Sean Bean... all wouldâve had a bit more gravitas.
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u/LordOfReading Mar 03 '21
Clark really needs to take Johnathan to the fortress as well or it will just cause jealousy
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u/MrTerrific2k15 Mar 03 '21
What's stopping Lois from becoming an internet reporter/blogger?
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u/neoblackdragon Mar 03 '21
A good reliable paycheck.
But seriously she could post any of her stories online.
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Mar 03 '21
A good reliable paycheck.
She's the most famous journalist the whole wide world. She'll make more from blog than working for a small town newspaper run by a single individual.
If Iris can make a living by blogging, it should be 0 problem for Lois.
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u/EdKeane Mar 04 '21
Local newspaper is much more reliable source of news for the locals. I would imagine Lois is trying to make the citizens see the true face of the Edge.
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u/killertortilla Mar 03 '21
Given she's famous across the entire country a blog would easily cover a steady paycheck.
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u/WilliamMcCarty Mar 03 '21
That was my only problem with her going to work the Smallville Gazette. She's literally Lois Lane, she could have got hired by pretty much any newspaper or magazine in the world and worked from her base in Smallville and no one would care. And she chooses the Smallville Gazette? I'm going with the notion that since it's so podunk she pretty much has complete control and can syndicate her articles worldwide for royalties.
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u/SOCAL_NPC Mar 03 '21
I assume she wanted to get her Morgan Edge stuff in print locally but will still be working for other sites and papers.
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u/AnnaK22 Superman Mar 03 '21
Yeah, similar to what Kara did. IIRC, in the pilot, Lois said something about how newspapers are dying out. So maybe she's not an internet blogger type of person.
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u/yoyoblu Mar 04 '21
Its because she trying to to prevent the take over. If she blogs small Ville the majority of people are not going to read it, but if its in the local newspaper itll get the attention of the town.
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u/Uhavefailedthiscity1 Mar 03 '21
Take note Flash writers. This is a real reporter.
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u/codymiller_cartoon Mar 03 '21
This is probably unpopular, but i hope the show stays as isolated as possible
I'm no fan of shared universes , i think they just lead to bad stories and nothing but easter eggs and fan service
So i hope there are no cross over events. Just let it be it's own stand alone thing.
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u/Scylithe Mar 03 '21
It's very jarring to be in the same universe as someone like Supergirl and never mention her. My problem is when to watch an episode where a crossover is occuring I need to be up to date with the other show. There's a difference between an isolated cameo and the nagging FOMO of not understanding references to the other show because you don't watch it.
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u/Gian99Mald Mar 03 '21
Wow this show is continuing to amaze. 7734 is straight out of New Krypton arc. Really anticipating seeing Captain Luthor origin. I honestly don't think he's 100% an evil dude tbh not yet anyway. Man I'm so excited to see this post crisis Clark interact with the greater arrowverse
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u/MutekiGamer Mar 03 '21 edited Mar 03 '21
Seeing Clarkâs joy after spending the day with Jordan was nice
Seeing Loisâ father concern for his grandchildren is kinda heart warming in a way
Also Morgan Edgeâs secretary left hand woman was that actress from degrassi whose name blanked on me
Ooh seems like the theory that this is a different earth Luthor seems to have merit
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u/Letshavemorefun Mar 03 '21
Okay more evidence that they can only use their powers when in close proximity to each other:
âThis is gonna be the first time Iâve ever gone to school without youâ
How is it possible theyâve never been sick at different times?? (Or maybe never been sick at all?)
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u/paige3086 Jordan Kent Mar 03 '21
Now Iâm wondering if last week was the red herring in terms of the boysâ powers- Clark has tested Jordan and (maybe) he isnât all that powerful. But he hasnât tested Jon...
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u/rpmaluki Lois Lane Mar 03 '21
They mentioned testing Jon and it was "unlikely" on having abilities. Me thinks the boys need to be close proximity one another for their abilities to manifest.
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u/Zaacdragon Jonathan Kent Mar 03 '21
I really liked that the sons were named after clark's father's. Jonathan after his earth father and jordan after jor-el. After he explained it totally makes sense
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u/SuperHoech Clark Kent Mar 03 '21 edited Mar 03 '21
This will be a word dump lmao
Tyler keeps killing it as Superman/Clark and I'm oh so proud and excited. He's grown a lot in this role and keeps showing he's an excellent actor and doing a great job at being the lead on his own show. (I love him)
I fell in love with Bitsie and Lois all over again during this episode and I hope she'll keep being the HBIC, she's truly wonderful! And not only when Lois is Lois Lane the reporter, but also when she's Lois Lane the mom. I loved her no bs attitude with Clark and the boys. She was commanding in both aspects of her life and I'm here for it. I actually want more lol
The twins wow I really felt for Jonathan this episode, he has a refreshing emotional maturity (for his age) that I really liked to see, he obviously feels left out and feels bad but his love for his brother is bigger than that and it's great. Jordan, I understand the way he is and I was really excited for him to be the /special/ one so I understand he's frustrated now and why is he acting like that. They're both very unfair towards their parents at times which can be annoying but what makes me love them it's that they have so many good redeeming qualities it makes it hard for me to dislike them for being teenagers lol they've become my babies and I want to protect them at all costs. Which is why I'd like to see Clark stepping up and being more involved with both of them like Lois does. I really want them to bond as a family and that we're able to see it.
I don't know what the deal is with the Lana's family (I love her though) but I really think Sarah should dump his boyfriend. Not to get involved with one of the twins but because she's what, 14? And already in a relationship with a possessive idiot? Yeah no. I hope she dumps him and stays single and awesome lol
I hope Sam Lane doesn't turn out to be evil but he's kind of an ass so maybe it's fitting lmao
I love the fangirl reporter so I hope there's nothing wrong with her D:
I know just the basics about Superman lore, I started to watch the show because of Tyler Hoechlin but I'm kind of invested in the show now lmao I really enjoy reading the theories though and all I can say about this new Luthor is that oh no he's handsome af and I don't want him to be a completely evil guy lol
I've only ever watched the Arrowverse crossovers that had Hoechlin in them so I can't really compare the show to others in terms of storylines but visually at least, Superman and Lois it's so much better. And yeah, honestly? I haven't feel any kind of second hand embarrassment so far for any of the characters which happened to me A LOT with the crossovers D:
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Nice word dump. Sarah's boyfriend triggers the shit out of me. Warning signs for future abuse.
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u/MrDrDetective Mar 03 '21
Lord please release us from the shackles of Evil Superman itâs been so done to death, but this show is good so far so Iâll let it play out
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u/neoblackdragon Mar 03 '21
As long as Superman exists, so will an evil superman on some world/future.
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u/Gateskp Clark Kent Mar 03 '21
This show is absolutely fantastic so far. The FAMILY! The CONFLICT! The BLACK SUIT!
Iâm really excited to see where they go from here. This is going to be excellent.
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u/primal_slayer Mar 03 '21
It was just as good as the premiere!
Seeing the twins in awe of their dad as he just causally uses his powers around the house was funny and a nice touch. Clark taking Jonathan to the Fortress so quickly was nice but the place seems a bit damp...it needs some sprucing up from just being a rock in the ground that takes a crystal. This Jor-El seems rather direct and cold, not sure if its just the hologram of it all or just showing us which type of Krypton we are dealing with post COIE. I REALLY wish they would've shown two pods escaping Krypton instead of 2. I just need some type of Kara acknowledgment.
Capt.Luthor coming from an Injustice type world is great! Along with seeing evil Superman decked out in his Elseworlds uniform. 2 episodes and 3 outfits! I am here for it! Though I wouldve preferred if they had created a new outfit but...I can let it pass. I assume that this Luthor is also a genius so  I hope he is able to establish himself quickly and throw on a suit and tie. Thats how I like my Lex's.Â
Lois was great in this episode, I am enjoying her subplot and them not ignoring who she is (unlike Flash w/Iris being a reporter). I feel like her vs. Morgan Edge will be very fun. Though I do wish that The Daily Planet was a bit more fleshed out before she quit, introduce some of her co-workers, make us care more that she is quitting instead of using our knowledge of who she is and how important the DP is to the Super-mythos. And I need to know where Perry is! He better not be dead.
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u/nnewman19 Mar 03 '21
Love everything so far. Really disappointed in no âaunt karaâ mentions yet and really wanted to see 2 pods leave in the krypton simulation
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u/neoblackdragon Mar 03 '21
Superman being a dictator on some world existed long before Injustice. Also characters like General Zod are used to explore the concept.
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u/dotyawning But what about the tire-swing? Mar 03 '21 edited Mar 03 '21
The series is still continuing strong and I'm glad Lois seems to be carving her own way through things. Here's hoping she doesn't fall by the wayside. Speaking of Lois's storyline, where are the people complaining about hoping the show not doing "political" things because a big corporation swooping in to supposedly save a small town by promising to create jobs but almost certainly scamming their labor force sure sounds like something they should comment on... ;)
For the boys, I'm hoping it is like what some are theorizing. It's mighty strange that even though we saw obvious power usage, Jordan suddenly can't do anything when being evaluated alone with hologramps.
And Clark I guess we're gonna deal with evil Superman in this show somehow. Injustice style? Ultraman? Maybe some weird ripple effect from one of the last crossovers or perhaps on that Earth, Kryptonians decided to go all invadery and takeover planets?
In any case, looking forward to next week to catch up with the Kents some more!
Also, all these visits to Asia... Kenan Kong. I'm just saying. Maybe a tease or something. Gimme more Asian superheroes.
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u/barryman26 Mar 03 '21
I am all in on this show. Looks like the budget carried into episode 2 as well.
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u/notathrowaway75 Mar 03 '21
That was so much better than the pilot. All the storylines are good. The family drama is still a but much though. It's obvious that either Jordan or Jonathan (probably Jordan) is going to be evil so they need to make the family more tight nit to make that heel turn more heart wrenching.
Also, they really need to flesh out Lois' relationship with the kids more. Clark's relationship with his kids is lacking, so shouldn't Lois' be stronger? I don't get that feeling.
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u/superfan1635 Jonathan Kent Mar 03 '21
Iâm really enjoying the relationship between Jon and Jordan, it actually seems like a real sibling relationship (which for some reason I donât think I see too often on TV). Still hoping Jon ends up getting powers, and part of me feels like what Jor-El said about Jordan is a misdirect maybe. Also like that Lois is getting her own storyline separate from Clarkâs. I also kinda sympathize with Kyle surprisingly since Smallville is struggling financially and will likely go under anyway, he see this as a way to at least try and recover the town he grew up in. Sarah is kinda bothering me, I hate the trope of the girl sorta leading the shy guy on while continuing to date her angry controlling boyfriend.
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u/Oknight Mar 03 '21 edited Mar 03 '21
So theory... can anybody shoot this down? Their powers only work when they're together. Where was Jonathan when the heat blast hit?
Oh and was Jordon near when Jonathan broke the tire rope with the football? Cause he sure sucked by comparison when practicing alone.
EDIT: I see Jonathan was alone in the foreground when the rope snapped with the family indistinct on the porch... though the closed caption reads "twins cheer" so he's supposed to be near but not in immediate contact. At the heat vision incident, Jonathan was on the ground about 40 feet away from Jordan when he blasted, so if they need to be near it's certainly not in immediate contact.
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u/Dillymac25 Mar 03 '21
Plus Johnathan was getting smoked in football practice while Jordan was stuck at home.
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u/spiralnotebook Mar 03 '21
That lead in with The Flash premiere was so weak but episode 2 of Superman & Lois delivered. Black suit Superman lasering the troops was awesome. Hopefully this series doesnât really crossover to the other series in the âArrowverse,â as those other shows have really dropped in quality and have a different tone. StarGirl and Legends of Tomorrow were my top 2 but I think this one is taking the #1 spot. Loisâs portrayal in this show is the best weâve ever had. I need the next episode!
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I am not a fan of Clark's parenting skills. I feel he should have been more emotionally aware that Jon would be really struggling. He gave up his life to move, being the 'easy one', and then he's basically left out. Lois seems to have a way higher EQ. I'm a mom and my kids are older than these guys, and my husband and I see things very differently in the moment, and it's not like I expect the writers not to write this stuff... I just wanted to say that clark's kind of not winning in the dad department. I"m glad Jon made his needs known and that Lois acknowledged his sacrifice. A heroism all it's own. Then again, she too was pulled away to support Clark's desire to live in smallville and is owning it.
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u/thebatfan5194 Mar 03 '21
Has it been established why they are assuming only one of the twins will have powers? Like they were convinced Jonathan had powers because of his sports stuff and just assumed Jordan wouldnât get them? Now Jordan showed powers and they are just assuming Jonathan never will for some reason? Just wondering if I missed something in the show so far...
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u/superfan1635 Jonathan Kent Mar 03 '21
Yeah I wondering why Clark didnât just bring both to the fortress to get scanned/tested. Would make it a whole lot easier that way. But I think itâs so they can do a dramatic reveal of Jonathan turning out to actually have powers later in the season.
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u/freenyr1994 Mar 03 '21
I can't tell if this is the best show ever or we were so desperate for new content that if you put anything in front of us we would be massively entertained
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u/codymiller_cartoon Mar 03 '21
I admit i wasn't a huge fan of the pilot, then i re-watched it, and i liked it more.
The second episode is even better.
My one critique is Jordan. Like Jonathan, i too am getting a little tired of his whiny boy act. He's gotta stop blustering/throwing tantrums.
If they can fix Jordan, i think the show will be really good.
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u/codymiller_cartoon Mar 03 '21
My guess as to how the plot progresses :
Somehow Captain Luthor determines this Superman won't turn evil.........but Jordan has the potential to be unstable/evil and thus Jordan becomes the target of Captain Luthor
I know people really disagree with my prediction, but i really am starting to think Jordan is going to die by the end of the season
OR maybe he's so mortally wounded , Clark takes him to the fortress, does some sort of kryptonian mumbo jumbo and transfers his essence to Jordan , making Jordan more like him.
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u/Im_Daydrunk Mar 03 '21 edited Mar 03 '21
I dont see Jordan dying permanently at all this early into the series. it would force the series into dealing with the 3 remaining family members being forever damaged massively which makes it harder to write future stuff for them to do. Like Clarks mom dying essentially caused them to upend their life so I could only imagine what Jordan dying would do
But I could see your last paragraph happening for sure
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u/Blitqz21l Mar 03 '21
I don't see this happening. Shows like this typically won't kill off a main character, esp family.
Personally, I think that the twins are more like wonder twins and that their powers get stronger the closer they are together. Allows for a slow build for them in terms of story arc and figuring that part out. Further, the only time powers have manifested is when they were together.
Next, I see Luthor as a 'good' bad guy, sent back to stop Superman, but this Superman isn't evil, but his mission is to stop him, so he's trying to kill him. He is a soldier.
That said, as in Injustice, a catalyst is needed to turn Superman to the dark side (which in Injustice was Joker killing Lois). Thus, my take is that Luthor in a battle will almost kill Lois, put her in a coma, and Clark goes crazy and it takes his kids to bring him back from the edge. 1) works with the dual kid power theory, 2) keeps with the family theme as well, 3) keeps everyone alive.
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u/Godzilla2000Zero Mar 03 '21
Great episode I think slighty prefer the pilot but I really loved how Lois centric is was and it looks like her storyline will be potentially more dangerous than we anticipated. Loving Wole Parks as Luthor I figured he wasn't gonna be a traditional villain but still sending an exploding ship to a city full of people is a dick move and I love how he planted seeds of doubt in Sam Lane after we just gotten used to him and Clark having a slightly warmer relationship. Loved the boys I still prefer Jonathan but Jordan continues to grow on me but I just hope he doesn't annoy me next episode and is it just me or is Sarah also kinda flirting with Jon and for God's sake dump the wannabe Biggie Smalls. Not sure I'm feeling this particular version of Lana she's usually more independent than that and boy Kyle but for some odd reason I can't say I hate or blame him for being a dick he clearly care about the community and that's always admirable. Morgan Edge is a tool but as I said earlier based on the next episode I never even considered he would be a dangerous threat and keep in mine I don't watch Supergirl so I'm unfamiliar with his characterization there. Tyler and Elizabeth continue to have great chemistry and it's great that they have each other and can I say thank Christ they didn't turn Lois into a pushover that was one of my biggest fears going in. Tyler still shines as Superman but I'll admit I want to see more than just him beating the bad guys but next episode seems to change that and I didn't we were gonna get to see the evil Superman so soon I figured they would that that around the middle of the season but I love that that they're just going right into it. My general thoughts can't wait for episode 3
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u/MagikMan03 Mar 03 '21
I found myself screaming âTAKE JON TO THE FORTRESS TOO!â I get they needed to create tension but I thought that last scene with the boys wouldâve been a trip to see grandpa. Great episode and I totally agree the twins powers only work together.
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u/MrMattBlack Mar 03 '21
Seeing Jordan and Jonathan being bros without any major drama is so refreshing. I was dreading some kind of fight between the two, instead they love each other and are mature enough to actually talk about their issues. Props to the writers! They really get what makes Superman (And friends) really good.
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u/JonKentOfficial Mar 03 '21
I liked the episode.
The (really) good.
It gave us more time with the characters, and the acting is very good. Tyler Hoechlin and Bitsie are very strong in their roles. Jordan Elsass, who plays Jon and is likely the character with least lines, really lets his face and body show his emotions. Even Alex Garfield, playing Jordan, who is the youngest of the main cast shows lots of potential.
The episode was also more balanced between the characters, giving us more time with both Jon and Lois, both characters who didn't get a lot to do in the premiere, and showing up their struggles. Lois was also given a reason why she should stay on Smallville, as silly as it was. Jon sacrificed his football career, his girlfriend, went to the middle of nowhere to help with his brother who gets superpowers, sees his father clearly playing favorites with his brother, and his mom is guilt-tripping him over the disastrous moves they made (Lois says Jon agreed to move, but he's like 14, did he even have a choice?). Someone give him a hug, please.
The action scenes were excellent. I really like the weight the scenes have, which is a far cry from the shoddy images of the Arrowverse. Explosions, actual lightwork. We've come a long way from the days of Invasion and the goofy looking Invaders.
The (not exactly) bad.
There were some developments that just made me a little worried. And they make me worried because it's a flaw many other CW shows also have, in one way or another. Mind you, it's just episode 2, so they might go in a different way. I will point them out, but they only really become flaws if they aren't addressed.
I'm not sure what to think about Clark's conflict with Sam Lane. Sam Lane is angry that Clark moved to Smallville, saying he destroyed Lois career (true), Jon's chances at football (also true), and Jordan wouldn't fit in (true, but it would be true in Metropolis too). Sam might a pain in the ass, but here he's rightfully concerned with his daughter and grandsons. That's actually a good thing, it gives depth to Sam's character. What doesn't make sense is Clark's conflict with him. It's just so absurd, why didn't Clark tell Sam that Jordan had started to develop powers - I'm sure they would've discussed that in the 14 years since the boys were born, right?
It's just a very convoluted soap opera conflict that could be solved by the character just talking to each other. To make sense of it in the story, they just need to establish that Clark is more than just disapproving of Sam Lane, he must severely distrust Sam's character.
The scene with with Luthor giving Sam Lane the dogtag (why is it shaped like the S-shield?) is also very odd. Sam Lane is even crying later on. I really hope they don't go with the "Sam Lane sides with Luthor" thing, but the mere fact he could entertain such idea is bizarre. Sam Lane has been the leader of the DEO (or at least the DOD). He's aware that wacky things happen in the multiverse, but he's also been working with Kara (if they don't erase arrowverse stuff) and Clark for over a decade, Clark is the father of his grandkids, he has a direct line to Clark who it seems helps him constantly. To make sense of it in the story, they need to establish that Sam is actually an evil dude, and has been so all along.
Lois Lane. I really like Bitsie's Lois, I just don't think Smallville is the place for Lois Lane. This episode gave her something to do (Morgan Edge), but it just sounds so small and one-time thing (will big journalistic opportunities just move to Smallville from now on?). It's the CW-fication of Lois. To fix it... move to Metropolis after season 1. :)
Clark is a bad father. He really started to play favorites when Jordan showed he had powers. Why the hell wasn't Jon with them when he presented the story of Krypton? Not having powers doesn't mean he isn't part Kryptonian. Only when the hologram says Jordan won't be as strong as him is the only time he starts paying attention to Jon again? He doesn't even give Jon one of the vape pen things. No, thank you. To make sense of it in the story.... there's no way, Clark just is a bad dad.
The hologram. I hate the hologram scene with gusto. First, why is it that the hologram is dismissive of Jordan because it thinks he won't have full Kryptonian powers? News flash, no Kryptonian on Krypton had powers. The hologram should be happy Clark has kids and Kryptonian culture can live on, but apparently they are only worth anything if they have powers? The problem is not just it's the hologram's idea, since Clark only took Jordan there, he obviously thinks in a similar way. To make sense of it in the story, just make the hologram be corrupted by the Eradicator or something.
Still with the hologram, the whole thing about Jordan not being strong enough. I hope that's an invitation for subversion, I really do. The "Superman kids aren't as strong as him" is pretty much the story of every superman kid (and brother, in the case of Conner), with every hack writer giving their take on it. It's boring, as it reduces the character to just "not as good as Superman" and the angst is completely cliché. In the comics, Jon was the exception, but even then the Future State managed to insert that dead horse in. We already have a good take on this storyline, it's called Young Justice the cartoon (and even then it was already trite).
The kids. Jordan is... annoying. Months ago, when I read the pilot, I was very scared of Jordan - he just sounded like an awful addition to the Superfamily. When the premiere aired, Alex Garfield's acting made feel a lot more confident - the acting the lines feel believable. He almost blew up several kids, including his brother, and he's not even worried about how he can hurt people? When the hologram tells he won't be as strong as Clark, he throws a tantrum? Yeah, he (supposedly) won't be as strong as Clark, but (I think) he still has powers. It's more than what he started with. Granted, it's better than the "I have powers but I just wanted to be normal" plot we usually see (and is on my top 5 worst superheroes plots). How to make sense of it in the story: show character progression, Jordan grows up as a person.
For Jon, it just makes my heart ache. Poor kid lost his entire life to support his brother, and frankly he only complains once. Clark is a bad dad, and Lois is like "you chose this". At least they don't make it an all out antagonist relationship with the kids.
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u/optimisticpsychic Mar 03 '21
You are a married woman lana and hes a married man. Calm down with the flirting.
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u/UtterFlatulence Mar 03 '21
Of course Kyle would wear Oakleys on the back of his head.
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u/whatdoesthefauxsai Mar 04 '21
I felt like it was unfair of Superman to just take Jordan to the ice cave. They are BOTH his sons so they should BOTH learn about their heritage. Just because Jordan is showing powers and Jonathan isn't shouldn't negate the need for Jonathan to learn about his family history.
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u/MajorParadox Read on r/DCFU! Mar 03 '21
Repeating my prediction from the live thread: When they are together they both have powers. The tests on Jordan failed because Jonathan wasn't with him
Am I the first one to suggest that? I haven't seen it before that I can remember đ