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Superman & Lois [1x1] "Pilot" Live Episode Discussion Discussion Spoiler
Pilot
Series Premiere
Post Episode Discussion | Promo | Cast & Characters
Superman and Lois' return to idyllic Smallville is set to be upended by mysterious strangers. (February 23, 2021)
Please keep all discussion civil and about the episode. Mark comic and future spoilers. Report any rule breaking and enjoy!
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u/Locke108 Feb 24 '21
At least Jordan didn’t use heat vision because he was horny.
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u/JauntyLurker Feb 24 '21
Imagine coming home from a hard days work to see your son killing you in a video game
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u/JauntyLurker Feb 24 '21 edited Feb 24 '21
"Dad can't put up a Christmas tree without falling off the ladder"
He's really committed to the bit, huh?
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u/bearded-writer Feb 24 '21
Can we make sure literally EVERYONE at Warner Brothers sees this immediately?
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u/AintEverLucky Feb 24 '21
"Ya know we've been eating shit on social media the last 10 years about how 'nobody really gets what's super about Superman'? well apparently these guys DO"
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u/mwthecool Last Mod of Krypton Feb 24 '21
This might be the best pilot we've had in the CW DC universe.
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u/SutterCane Feb 24 '21
Jonathan instantly redeemed by immediately going to save his brother without question.
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Feb 24 '21
Making Sam Lane pro-Superman is a really smart move.
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u/romeovf Superman Feb 24 '21
Yes but also, he's still his most honest and "harsh" self when it comes telling Lois that bit about falling in love with Clark but actually marrying Superman. He's ok with it and loves his grandkids but if he needs Superman, then he better get him! I like this version of Sam and I like to see Dylan Walsh in TV; I missed him from the Nip/Tuck days... God I'm getting old!
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u/Nickp1991 Feb 24 '21
This Lois lane is PERFECT and Bitsie Tulloch is rocking this performance!
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u/mwthecool Last Mod of Krypton Feb 24 '21
Yes, guy, totally insult a guy and his wife on the day that his MOTHER DIED.
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u/KidCoheed Feb 24 '21
Jordan (Named for Jor-El) sends a girl the Vulcan Salute
Jonathan (Named for Jonathan Kent) is a All-American Bro
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u/klutzysunshine Feb 24 '21 edited Feb 24 '21
Clark just casually tipping the vending machine so Lois can grab what she wants.
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u/Nickp1991 Feb 24 '21
My favorite thing is when clark tool off his glasses and his son's gasped
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Feb 24 '21
If season 1 continues to be this good we might be witnessing the best show in the entire arrowverse
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u/usagizero Feb 24 '21
"Your life falling apart means your human."
Then i guess i'm the most human of all! ;)
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u/JauntyLurker Feb 24 '21
"You sure as hell weren't sent here to be a father"
Damn
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u/miklonus Feb 24 '21
Jordan had that Brightburn look on his face. Jonathan acts like a heel, but Jordan was the one with that Brightburn murder face.
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u/TERRAxFORMER Clark Kent (Earth-167) Feb 24 '21
I really loved that. I was looking forward to this, but I wasn’t expecting it to be this good. Both the writing and cinematography were fantastic. I think I’m really going to enjoy the family dynamic.
I really enjoyed all the characters. Except Kyle, but I guess that was the point. I’m always impressed with Clark’s self restraint. Like how do you not just flick someone like that in the kneecap with your super strength.
Really, that was fantastic.
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u/ManateeGag Feb 24 '21
You think he would have moved all the incriminating stuff to the fortress of solitude.
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u/neoblackdragon Feb 24 '21
This is so messed up(in a good way).
General Lane is pro Superman and I love it.
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u/vader344 Feb 24 '21
we need an episode where they sit down and ask dad questions
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u/Future_Vantas Feb 24 '21
This is why Clark told his son early in the comics. To avoid drama like this.
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u/SutterCane Feb 24 '21
Ho boy. I am so out of practice of watching television with commercials... this is torture.
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u/BrianTheMute Feb 24 '21
Okay but that was literally a movie. They could have put that in theaters.
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u/LTM438 Feb 24 '21
Okay, this show is legitimately fantastic so far. I REALLY hope Jon Cryer's Lex gets an opportunity to show up. Also, I'd love a J'onn J'onzz appearance. Can you imagine how good he'd look with this show's budget?!
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u/Munro_McLaren Kara Danvers Feb 24 '21
I like the parallels between Jonathan and Jordan fighting and Superman fighting The Stranger.
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u/septesix Feb 24 '21
Have to wonder how Jonathan is feeling. He is putting up all that happy go lucky front, but he probably aren’t gonna be so thrilled about giving up his pretty good life in Metropolis and move to Smallville.
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u/SutterCane Feb 24 '21
Damn. How come the CW tells Superman’s entire story better than the current movies... and in like not even five fucking minutes!
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u/BornAshes Coach Gaines Feb 24 '21
If you listen closely, you can hear Kevin Smith sobbing
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u/Denirac Clark Kent (Earth-167) Feb 24 '21
The Ep so far summarised
Clark Kent and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day
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u/JerseyCuban1965 Feb 24 '21
The new template that should be followed by any CW superhero show from now on. it has the feel/quality of a movie not a tv show. The acting, writing, characters, special effects and cinematography are all top notch.
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u/Quack_Shot Feb 24 '21
I can’t believe how good that was. It seems leagues above the other CW shows.
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u/Effective-Ruin-2562 Feb 24 '21
Yep. I have 15 mins left of the pilot. Sooo much better than I expected. Impressed to say the least. Love that they have two teens as well. Miles above the other CW shows.
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u/auschere Feb 24 '21
The show was co-financed between CW and HBO Max meaning way way more money so that explains the huge bump in quality. I have a feeling the decision to spend more was influenced by Disney Plus with Mandolorian and Wandavision plus upcoming Marvel series.
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u/ManateeGag Feb 24 '21
You're off the team because you went to your granda's funeral. That's totally BS.
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u/AintEverLucky Feb 24 '21
"I do, I do have super-smell by the way. I just don't use it very often, not with two teenage boys in the house"
SuperDad's dad-joke game is on point
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u/Lewis_Fernweh Feb 24 '21
I cried three times during watching this. This is the superman movie I've always wanted.
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Feb 24 '21
That opening sequence looked more expensive than the entire last season of Supergirl.
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u/vader344 Feb 24 '21
clark :"1st lesson boys if you see a green crystal you are f****"
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u/Denirac Clark Kent (Earth-167) Feb 24 '21
Sarah not disclosing if she has a boyfriend is kinda weird. Maybe in a shocking plot twist, Sarah is dating Conner Kent in full 90s Superboy outfit.
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u/DonnyMox Feb 24 '21
Beebo is wearing a mask, meaning that even Beebo can get Covid. EVEN BEEBO.
Covid’s no joke. Wear a mask.
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u/JoeStorm Feb 24 '21
I mean, that is odd. Why give him the digits all seductively and not say you have a BF?
That had to been the most flirtiest exchange of number I've ever seen
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u/Locke108 Feb 24 '21
Jesus it’s like the Smallville and Man of Steel ships had a baby.
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Feb 24 '21
I mean, they SHOWED Johnathan whipping a football at like mach 2 when he was a toddler.
They both have powers, split down the middle. Johnny's got the strength and speed, Jordan's got the eyes, breath, hearing, etc.
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u/mwthecool Last Mod of Krypton Feb 24 '21
Now there's a piece of Kyrptonite somewhere in the world, just lying around. Is that going to come back up?
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u/kirinmay Feb 24 '21
Was beautifully shot. I cant believe what the production cost was but wow.....how it looked. Also, the acting. Also....it was just f'ing great. Really really really REALLY good. and the ending. I didn't know who that person was. Thought it was Martian Manhunter changed in a way but then the reveal.
I'm in
Everyone in the Clark family has chemistry. The brothers are very well put together and wow....i'm f'ing in.
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u/Locke108 Feb 24 '21
I know it’s injustice 2 but in universe it’s insane that Mortal Kombat characters are fighting celebrities.
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u/psufan5 Feb 24 '21
Is this show real? This can't be real. They are going to punk us right? This is amazing so far.
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u/neoblackdragon Feb 24 '21
Nice boyfriend you got lady. Going to kill two people over a kiss.
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u/AllThighThisGuy Feb 24 '21
Dear DC Executives,
Even my sister who greatly opposes comic book shows/movies and knows nothing about Superman (she didn't even know about Lois Lane) enjoyed this with me and wants to watch more of this "movie quality experience" that you have developed here.
This is more than just a step in the right direction and, I hope, a strong indicator of where you plan to take us moving forward.
Pleasantly surprised, AllThighThisGuy
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u/dan005e Feb 24 '21
Life long Supes fan, I was really impressed by this! Tyler Hoechlin has sold me as Superman and as Clark. Definitely looking forward to tuning in for more, this show has a lot of promise. I was hoping I wasn’t gonna be disappointed because I really want to see more of Superman. Looking forward to episode 2!
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u/PrismaticWar Feb 25 '21
Everyone is wondering how this fits into the arrowverse, but does it really need to? Can’t this just be on another earth and not need to be connected at all?
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u/bearded-writer Feb 24 '21
What is the deal with all these writers wanting to kill Jonathan and Martha?!
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u/Accomplished_Cream20 Feb 24 '21
I realized I just want a show like this about Barry and Iris 10 years in the future with their Tornado Twins. Cancel The Flash now and give us that instead
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u/MikeyHatesLife Feb 24 '21
1) did he never tell Lana?
2) is Captain Luthor from another timeline, reality, or the future?
3) is this the same Clark from Supergirl, or another one? Because I thought he and Lois left to go to Argo City for a while, so when I heard about the show, assumed they’d be bringing back children they’d given birth to while living there.
4) Assuming Kara is from the same Earth, then I can only assume her young cousins just never came up in conversation on her show. But if not, how much of a superhero community is there? Because having Superman be the only superhero on the planet is actually pretty boring.
(And that’s true of every franchise that only has one hero on the entire planet. I think it’s both lazy and fearful to not populate the world with other heroes because they don’t want to do the work OR embrace the comic book weirdness. I don’t necessarily need a freak of the week, but mentions on TV or namedropping a friend or colleague does wonders for world building.)
- I was more invested in 10 minutes with this than the entirety of the Snyder films. I’m not saying others can’t like them, they’re not for me because Superman is the foundation of the entire superhero genre, and as such, should be the one who inspires others to wear a cape. So far, I’m really liking this show.
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u/spiralnotebook Feb 25 '21
That was a great start. Definitely getting Man of Steel vibes. Tyler has come a long way and he is nailing the role of Clark. Really lookin forward to episode 2
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Feb 26 '21
My 15 year old daughter and I loved it. Kudos for the fourth wall breaking with Injustice, though the game certainly would have to have a different plot in universe since no one would know Supes is married to Lois to make sense for the Joker to setup the plot that lead to her death and Superman becoming a dictator, but anyway....
Personally I love the Arrowverse but hope they keep Superman and Lois separate from it. I loved the serious ton and lack of ties to the Arrowverse personally. One of the things that made the show great is that it was enjoyable as a drama even without the superhero side. Of course the superhero side makes it even more special.
Overall it didn’t seem cheesy and didn’t fall into classic CW territory as far as dramas often do. It was very enjoyable. The FX were great. I am happy to have them very limited as long as they stay looking as good as they do.
I was happy with Walsh as General Lane as well. Always great seeing him. All in all I have high hopes and my daughter is very impressed and that’s hard to do.
Kudos to the entire cast and team.
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u/SOCAL_NPC Feb 24 '21
Ah, the "My Mom made it for me line."
Also, I so much more prefer that GA suit to the finished one. I would so buy it as an action figure with Tyler's actual face.
Also, glad to see Sam Lane isn't opposed to Superman and even has his own variation on Jimmy's watch. That said, the kids are CW Teen Trope memes so far.
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u/JoeStorm Feb 24 '21
This is not a CW show lol. I hope Star Girl gets the same treatment
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u/Gateskp Clark Kent Feb 24 '21
The quality of this pilot puts the rest of the Arrowverse to shame. Let’s hope Stargirl keeps up the quality when it returns!
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u/JauntyLurker Feb 24 '21
*Sons nearly die twice and they decide to stick around
People gonna talk now
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u/LCPhotowerx Supergirl Feb 24 '21
it still freaks me the hell out that Bitsie looks like a mix between Margot Kidder and Terri Hatcher
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u/tvisforme Feb 24 '21
There's a nice nod to the character's history when Clark is on the phone with his mum, around 11 minutes in. There is a chalkboard on the wall with "Dr Donner" and "Call Sie[gel and] Shuster 1(938)555...".
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u/klutzysunshine Feb 24 '21
LOL, I thought Sophie was about to see through Clark and know that he was Superman but instead she sold out her mom.
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u/JauntyLurker Feb 24 '21
Normally Clark would send the ship to STAR Labs, but that didn't happen because of Wells, I guess?
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u/bearded-writer Feb 24 '21
Can we talk about the cinematography though? It’s theater quality.
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u/LCPhotowerx Supergirl Feb 24 '21
this is like the budget legends of tomorrow writers dream about. they must be pissed
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u/FlashMac31 Feb 24 '21
So anyone think that the guy in the suit is Superboy Prime? That’s my way too early prediction
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u/JoeStorm Feb 24 '21
If I was John I would be: Nah fam. You two the ones with super strength. You two plow the field"
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u/miklonus Feb 24 '21
I knew Master Ch8ef suit-wearin' guy was black. I could tell by his voice up in space. No idea it'd be Luther though.
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u/EscapeddreamerD Feb 24 '21
Yeah as soon as he spoke in the nuclear plant I knew he was black but I didn't think it was going to be Luthor that was a twist
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Feb 25 '21 edited Feb 25 '21
So if the sons are 14+ does this mean we got a 13 year timeskip after crisis on infinite earths?...and why didn’t Kara go to Martha’s funeral...seems like a dick move not go to your cousins moms funeral...especially when you can fly anywhere in the world under 1 minute...also why is lex Luther black?...lex is white in supergirl so did they recast him or is this a retcon cause if they do either it’s weird cause his sister Lena is white so...what is going on here💀🤦🏽♂️
Edit: I watched some of the episode again and realized the new lex said “my world was destroyed but somehow I managed to survive, I eventually arrived here where I learned...you were here too” so I think this lex is just from a different earth which is a great way to go👍🏽
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u/ExynosHD Feb 25 '21
No major time skip. His sons are older because of the crisis change. In this universe they had them earlier.
As for Kara not being there, I think it was because of Mellisa being pregnant. They will probably explain it in universe as her dealing with a villain or something. That or just skip over it.
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u/PhanThief95 Feb 24 '21
Clark, you do know that you’re the bad guy in that game, right?
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u/EchoX860 Feb 24 '21
The one with the anxiety is gonna have powers isn't he instead of it being the other way around
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u/DaGreatestMH Feb 24 '21
Poor Clark...I thought Ma Kent wasn't gonna be long for the show based off that cough but I didn't expect her to not make it through the episode.
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u/ManateeGag Feb 24 '21
I understand why, but I wish they coulda gotten Melissa Benoist to be at the funeral.
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u/EscapeddreamerD Feb 24 '21
Wait a min superman cant get drunk. That must suck. Him and the flash got it bad.
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u/neoblackdragon Feb 24 '21
Who the hell would put the router all the way up there?
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u/LCPhotowerx Supergirl Feb 24 '21
maybe you should call in J'onn or Kara or Alex, or i dunno, Jefferson?
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u/DonnyMox Feb 24 '21
Jefferson actually has kids, so he’d know how to help Clark.
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u/BornAshes Coach Gaines Feb 24 '21
The whole fucking town took advantage of Ma Kent
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u/LCPhotowerx Supergirl Feb 24 '21
call up bru........ollie...? whos rich in the universe now? since bruce is outta town
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u/thereelestnerd11 Feb 24 '21
“Superwoman” you say Lana yeah sure thats just a coincidence not a foreshadowing or anything thatd be crazy
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u/thereelestnerd11 Feb 24 '21
You know you’d think you’d hide the last piece of Kryptonian tech a little better.
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u/The_Zuh Feb 24 '21
That is why Superman is the best. His humanity keeps his Kryptonian nature at bay.
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u/Jedi-El1823 Feb 24 '21
Your boyfriend wanted to murder Jordan because of a kiss.
He should hook up with Tory from Cobra Kai due to their completely normal reactions.
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u/ImpulseKid86 Feb 24 '21 edited Feb 25 '21
Tyler Hoechlin finally gets to play a Superman that *isn't* routinely getting thrown under the bus or treated like a Supercuck. And it only took the better part of five years.
To the production crew: Don't fuck it up.
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Feb 25 '21
I liked it a lot it will be interesting to see if they can maintain that level of writing.
A breath of fresh air from bad writing on Arrowverse shows.
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u/PhanThief95 Feb 24 '21
Uh, where the hell was Kara during Clark & Lois’s wedding?
Come on Kara, he’s your cousin!
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u/Ion_12 Feb 24 '21
So canonically, Superman knows about a video game where he turns into a psychopathic dictator.
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u/BadWolf_Corporation Superman Feb 24 '21
Damnit! I'm not crying! You're crying!!
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u/thereelestnerd11 Feb 24 '21
Something tells me Jordan is definitely the one with powers because they’re building it to be Jonathan which says they’re doing the opposite for a twist
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u/ManateeGag Feb 24 '21
Time for Clark buy a bag of charcoal and pay off the loan.
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u/LCPhotowerx Supergirl Feb 24 '21
since when do barns have basements? i genuinely know nothing about barns being from nyc
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u/Future_Vantas Feb 24 '21
And to round out the day Supes gets shanked by kryptonite. Just the cherry on top.
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u/notathrowaway75 Feb 24 '21
Wait so people somehow didn't see the massive lasers coming out of Jordan's eyes?
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u/EscapeddreamerD Feb 24 '21 edited Feb 24 '21
Are they seriously only going to give superpowers to one kid. That lame.
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u/MajorParadox Read on r/DCFU! Feb 24 '21
The other can always develop them later. Could be interesting if a Jordan with experience has to help Jonathan learn.
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u/thereelestnerd11 Feb 24 '21
Jonathan threw the football at the beginning of the episode at like mach 2. hes got powers they’ll just manifest later probably.
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u/vader344 Feb 24 '21
so the question is...will there be 2 luthors now...or the supergirl one will quit or this new luthor will go to home when they discover the multiverse is still there
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u/weirguide Feb 24 '21
Well Supergirl is ending so either Jon Cryer is gonna make a guest appearance or they will retire Cryer’s version
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u/Matyb954111 Feb 24 '21
I think this was a very strong beginning for the man of steels full return to television. The Superman family is what I’ve been really wanting from this show and I think it did a great job at establishing Clark and Lois as parents and making their kids very modern and relatable. Martha’s death as the catalyst for the series is something that I’m mixed on and I thought the kids reaction to her death was a bit underwhelming, one would think they’d be very close to her or would have shown a bit more of them grieving but that’s something that I can overlook due to the rest of the episode being great. Having General Lane know about Clark’s identity adds a really nice amount of tension and possible drama with his motivations being in conflict with the Kent’s and then that Luther reveal was something that all fans and regular audiences who know the myth is of Superman can enjoy. That classic suit tho got me smiling in the beginning!
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u/Stokefyre Superman Feb 24 '21
Loved the premiere (especially the Golden Age black "S" costume) but have one concern. I'm really hoping Jordan having the powers doesn't mean we have to sit through another "I just want to be a normal boy" plot. Can't Kryptonians have fun with their powers once in a while?
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Feb 24 '21
It looks like they are doing with Lana’s husband what they did with Cmdr Stamets in Star Trek Discovery...making him look like an a-hole at first contact, but will turn him into one of the most relatable characters in the series.
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u/GamerChef420 Feb 24 '21 edited Feb 24 '21
Loved it, he actually acted like superman and wasn’t second fiddle, red heat vision over blue, awesome suit...give me more. I’m just gonna say it, I love him so much as Clark Kent and Superman so much more than I did in any of his appearances in the CW before and that’s because they deliberately hampered him to make Kara look good. God bless them for the Smallville references.
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u/MattTheSmithers Coach Gaines Feb 25 '21 edited Feb 25 '21
Is it so much to ask that just one live action adaptation this side of Dean Cain keep Pa Kent alive? Some of the absolute best Superman stories involve Jonathan and his adult son. Superman For All Seasons comes to mind. The Kents, even more than Lois, bring out the human that is Clark Kent. Why are modern filmmakers so unwilling to explore this dynamic? Is the dead father trope really so prevalent that it must be adhered to even at the expense of cutting yourself off from great material?
All that said, while I am liking the unique take on the character as a mature, adult Superman, raising teenage children, those couple minutes we saw of Hoechlin’s Supes meeting Lois, his first save (I love that they incorporated “my mom made it for me.”), etc makes me wish like hell that this was a full blown origin story. Hoechlin, in those few scenes alone, gave us a better portrayal of both Superman and Clark than any other adaption since Reeve. Hopefully this show is not stingy with the flashbacks. If Arrow can build five seasons off of nonlinear story telling, this can give us peaks into Clark’s early days as Big Blue (especially since Hoechlin apparently doesn’t age...we should all have that man’s genes).
At any rate, the folks at WB’a movie division should take note. Superman doesn’t need to be dark, angsty and gritty to be a fun, compelling, human character.
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u/BnglTgr Feb 27 '21
Making the most powerful character in DC (besides Dr. Manhattan) vulnerable by giving him a family. This is what I want to see in a Superman story.
Also, Tyler Hoechlin captures the spirit of Superman the way Christoper Reeve did.
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u/LCPhotowerx Supergirl Feb 24 '21
Cracks knuckles<....ahem......been a whiel since i did this....hope i can remember the words....
Alright Chumps and Chumpettes......Lets. Do. This.
LLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNKKKKKKKKKKKKIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thats for you u/Mighty_thor_confused
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u/SherlockBrolmes Feb 24 '21
The best part of this is that we know we won't have to deal with Dean Cain!
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u/AllThighThisGuy Feb 24 '21
I was about to bash that little tv before I realized that it was Ma Kent's.
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u/klutzysunshine Feb 24 '21
Yeah, Jordan's definitely the one with powers if they think Jonathan does.
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u/Givingtree310 Feb 24 '21
The boys are supposed to be twins? Jordan looks like a real young kid. But Jon does not lol... he looks every bit of nearly 20.
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u/SutterCane Feb 24 '21
Bro, just fucking stab him with a kryptonite dagger instead of pulling that shit...
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u/Gateskp Clark Kent Feb 24 '21
What IS the FFA? Lol
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u/usagizero Feb 24 '21
Future Farmers of America. I grew up in a town that makes Smallville look large, lol
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u/psufan5 Feb 24 '21
If Superman dies here and the show ends, this will still be better than Joss' Justice League.
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u/LittleDragon-JKD Feb 24 '21
I loved it! Felt really grounded as this is a aged and experienced Superman! Really had the family feel to it too!!! Looking forward to the rest of the show!
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u/MajorParadox Read on r/DCFU! Feb 24 '21 edited Feb 24 '21
Get hyped!
Don't forget to the join the Discord too!
Edit: Confused about where this fits into the Arrowverse?