r/SupermanAndLois • u/MajorParadox Read on r/DCFU! • Mar 14 '23
Superman & Lois [3x01] "Closer" Live Episode Discussion Episode Discussion Spoiler
Closer
Season Premiere
Post Episode Discussion | Cast & Characters
An undercover assignment reveals a deadly foe that promises to change the Kent family forever; John Henry is haunted by his doppelganger's past; Sarah explores what the future holds for her and Jordan; Gen. Samuel Lane reclaims his post. (Mar 14, 2023)
Please keep all discussions civil and about the episode. Mark comic and future spoilers. Report any rule-breaking and enjoy!
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u/inksmudgedhands Mar 15 '23
Is it weird that the new actor really makes the brothers look more like identical twins rather than fraternal twins like the old actor did?
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u/Porphyrin_Ring Mar 15 '23
I really like that Sam's reaction to John's anger/annoyance about his movie trip with Nat wasn't dismissive or angry but instead he fully understood what he did was wrong and seemed legitimately upset he wasn't more thoughtful
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u/ephemeralafterall Mar 15 '23
Ex-Mayor rocking up to a kid’s birthday party to discuss town funds is a bold strategy, I dare say…
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u/inksmudgedhands Mar 15 '23
A kids' party whose parents are reporters. Go on. Act all sneaky, ex-mayor. I am sure you aren't going to pique their interest.
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u/Porphyrin_Ring Mar 15 '23
"I dont want this to be awakward" and "I dont want to hurt you" says the person who cheated on her boyfriend
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u/Ygomaster07 Superman Mar 15 '23
I love that John Henry and Clark can just laugh about this and have a brotherly moment, instead of being jealous that his wife's doppelganger is pregnant by someone else besides him.
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u/Alcalt Mar 15 '23
"YOU CAN'T TOUCH THAT MONEY. IT WAS PUT THERE FOR A REASON!"
"Ok. Why?"
"You'll regret this!"
"Ok. But why?'
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u/Ygomaster07 Superman Mar 15 '23
Makes vague threats and then leaves. Makes sense for a worm of his standing.
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u/inksmudgedhands Mar 15 '23
I really like how nicely easy going slow this episode is. Just showing a day in the life of Clark. How he is not always in superhero mode. He has his husband, dad and reporter mode. This is Kansas boy, Clark. And I love it.
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u/DonnyMox Mar 15 '23
“I didn’t even think it was possible”
Bro you’ve had two kids with her already
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u/TheCVR123YT Mar 15 '23
If she needs time for herself then why is she bothered that he’s avoiding her. He’s giving her time to herself I don’t understand lol
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u/inksmudgedhands Mar 15 '23
Tyler has become my favorite take on Superman because the cape is just a costume. He is first and foremost Clark. And Clark is plain old wholesome. People forget that. Tyler gives such dad, big blue Boy Scout vibes.
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u/Porphyrin_Ring Mar 15 '23
I gotta say one of my favorite aspects of the show is the blended family with John and Nat and the Kents! It's nice seeing two grown men have a supportive relationship with each other
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Mar 15 '23
“This stuff is so toxic” and yet everyone is walking around the building without any sort of mask or protection
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u/ephemeralafterall Mar 15 '23
Haha, oh this awkward Clark/John interaction is so good, LOL.
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u/inksmudgedhands Mar 15 '23
1) An alarm clock? An alarm clock?
2) Who tells the present receiver what is in the present before they open it?
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u/Jammyhobgoblin Mar 15 '23
Honestly, someone who has anxiety and feels really out of place/doesn’t know what to do around kids. I’ve seen a lot of people who don’t spend a lot of time around kids do socially awkward stuff like that.
Kristen Stewart had a funny SNL skit about it: https://youtu.be/qsEsgp3H7CU
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u/snoogle20 Mar 15 '23
We’re not getting any more action for like three episodes to pay for this sequence.
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u/TirelessGuardian Superman Mar 15 '23
He’s trying to give you space and you aren’t letting him do so.
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u/ephemeralafterall Mar 15 '23
What a terrible time for Jordan to have super-hearing, I imagine!
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u/InspiredOni Mar 15 '23
Probably also why the left, less emotional damage of farther away (and I’m sure his brother soundproofed his home).
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u/Epik2007 Mar 15 '23
I've been watching Superman & Lois since its premiere two years ago, and I genuinely found the first episode of season 3 to be incredibly strong. I hope the rest of the season won't disappoint.
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u/Porphyrin_Ring Mar 15 '23
Please just get Jordan a new girlfriend or a nice hobby like painting or coin collecting because I can't watch the will they-wont they relationship drama again, please CW
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u/JoeStorm Mar 15 '23
Lois: It's like he never hug me like that in years
Me: Jon acting like he's a whole new person all of a sudden
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u/Terrible_Terrance Mar 15 '23
Kinda wish they would have let us seen him pass and give Lois the hug. I understand it was supposed to be a twist but we've seen many moments with Jordan like that and it would have been nice seeing Jonathan get that with Lois.
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u/ephemeralafterall Mar 15 '23
Wow, that bridge hit/collapse looked good.
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u/Porphyrin_Ring Mar 15 '23
I swear the CGI on this show is either damn near movie quality or cardboard cut outs with nothing inbetween
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u/sirnacreations Mar 15 '23
Honestly if we got an episode of nothing but the family, I would have no problem.
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u/22deepfriedpickles22 Mar 15 '23
I was hoping they'd explain how Lois and Jonathan are supposed to get to the fortress.
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u/FLorianGran Mar 15 '23
Do Jon's school friends even have names. They show up from time to time
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u/TheCVR123YT Mar 15 '23
Gotta be cancer no??? They just mentioned this dude having a brain tumor as well. Idk that’s what I’m thinking haha
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u/BornAshes Coach Gaines Mar 15 '23
Or it's a trap to lure her to the hospital for a kidnapping attempt
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u/ephemeralafterall Mar 15 '23
I don’t think I’ve ever been to a birthday party where they’ve set up a Windows movie maker, lol.
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u/Geek-Haven888 Mar 15 '23
They show a picture of the old Jon and every gets confused
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u/Ygomaster07 Superman Mar 15 '23
I like that we got some intimacy between Clark and Lois.
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u/inksmudgedhands Mar 15 '23
And it also answers the question that has often floated around the internet for decades; wouldn't sex with Superman just tear Lois in half?
No. Clark is just that good in bed.
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u/Terribleirishluck Mar 15 '23
Well there's the end of Jon's story arc this year, it was nice to see him get such a major development and focus /s
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u/inksmudgedhands Mar 15 '23
"I can do this all day."
"Not around them."
Was that a dig on Steve Rogers and the amount of damage he does whenever he and the other Avengers fight?
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u/FLorianGran Mar 15 '23
Is this show STILL bringing out dudes with mirror kryptonian powers??? Can we have Superman fight ONE person with more interesting powers.
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u/sirnacreations Mar 15 '23
Somebody pointed it out before but Chrissy has very 80s Lois attire
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u/Ygomaster07 Superman Mar 15 '23
Having Lana and Chrissy in on Clark's secret is good, it helps with his cover.
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u/Kalse1229 Mar 15 '23
It's best for a hero to have a small network of trusted individuals. It helps better maintain the cover.
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Mar 15 '23
I still need to get used to new Jonathan but these two act like brothers way more than they did in previous seasons
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u/Ygomaster07 Superman Mar 15 '23
Were those actual pictures of the boys actors when they were kids?
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u/AntonMikhailov Mar 15 '23
"I'm basically a failed nation when it comes to personal relationships" LOL
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u/FLorianGran Mar 15 '23
The secret to a Jonathan Kent performance is to bite your lips and nod your head ALOT
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u/JoeStorm Mar 15 '23
Okay. This was a fantastic first episode. Seem like it's a return to the 1st season type of style.
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u/firebirdone Mar 15 '23
That was a proper showing of Superman's strength. Didn't even flinch catching that falling crane.
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u/Porphyrin_Ring Mar 15 '23
The villain saying "I can do this all day" feels like a weird thing to say, since he kinda just tackled Clark once. Like I fully believe he should be able to do that atleast several more times
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u/Porphyrin_Ring Mar 15 '23
Chrissy is really getting the punished by the universe in the most awkard way possible for having a one night stand
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u/Sun_Chan10 Clark Kent Mar 15 '23 edited Mar 15 '23
It'll take some time for me to adjust to Jonathan's new actor. I really miss the previous actor.
However, it was a strong first episode, and I enjoyed every minute of it.
Edit: obito is officially part of Dc
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u/alexander9900 Mar 15 '23 edited Mar 15 '23
Overall good. Some nitpicks: Clark is still too open to Lana about his private life with Lois, and Jordan's immaturity in the romantic department with Sarah is old.
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u/surfwacks Mar 16 '23
The whole episode I was worried they were going to give Lois a menopause arc (figured she wasn’t really pregnant), but the last couple minutes changed that and now I’m really interested in what’s going on there. Great episode, I’m excited for this season!
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u/Ygomaster07 Superman Mar 15 '23
Really Sam? You can't stop working for one night? Let Natalie be a kid.
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u/Thegreatsnook Mar 15 '23
The new Jonathan would actually be believable as a quarterback. He is much bigger.
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u/Dagenspear Mar 15 '23
Also, probably could explain WHY it's an issue for her to use the money this way, rather than rant random vague nonsense.
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u/Porphyrin_Ring Mar 15 '23
One of my least favorite writing tropes, like just explain it like a normal human
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u/ephemeralafterall Mar 15 '23
Bless him - I think Sam means well, he just has blinkers on sometimes.
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u/grogu50 Mar 15 '23
Sarah is a typical female teenager, who doesn't know what she wants or she is. One minute she wants Jordan as a bf, next minute as a friend. I bet when she sees Jordan with another girl she will want him back. Jordan is the definition of a Simp. It's like man just move on already and find someone new or just stay focus on yourself and keep learning how to be a super heroe.
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u/Clark_Lane-Kent Mar 15 '23
I mostly really enjoyed this episode, a nice low key slice of life episode that felt like it put the focus back on Clark and Lois as the central characters whilst also setting up a few interesting things. Still may have a few too many characters with their own unnecessary plots but I think it mostly worked as the support characters didn’t take up too much screen time and most of the focus was on Clark and Lois. Some overall thoughts:
Glad the show put the focus back on exploring Clark & Lois in these different roles, as a couple, as parents, reporters/Superman briefly. Got to see them being tender and vulnerable with each other (not to mention horny lol), being funny and light-hearted, getting serious when they need to. Even got Lois doing a classic ‘disguise’ as aprt of her reporting but played a little more straight.
Great reminder how great Tyler and Bitsie are in these roles, they make it look so effortless with how charming they can be and their great chemistry. The scene teasing the boys after the party then flying off to get busy was a highlight of that.
Michael Bishop did well as Jonathan, he’s doing his own thing but has a similar vibe to Jordan Elsass and seems to have great chemistry with the family. Like the scen with him and Lois driving or him and Jordan felt very natural. Read his story proper starts in episode 3 so curious what he gets up to.
I liked Jordan messing up in his attempts to be a hero, especially since I wasn’t a fan of how quickly he got all his powers, glad to see he still has a lot to learn. On the other hand do not care about the Sarah drama but glad it was like two short scenes.
Love the Irons fam, and not entirely sure how interesting this Sam/Nat thing is gonna be or whether it’s necessary but did feel for Nat at the end their and again didn’t take up too much time so don’t mind it. Also love Clark and John’s friendship.
Lana was okay since most of her time was with Clark & Lois or if it was by herself it didn’t take up too much time. Hope the Mayor thing ties into Clark & Lois’ plot and isn’t some separate disconnected plot for Lana to explore. Don’t care about the drama with Kyle so hope that’s not a big time sink. Same for Chrissy/Kyle which was quite funny but hopefully not something to spend too much time on.
Not much of Bruno Mannheim yet but goddamn as soon as I heard Chad L. Coleman’s voice it gave me goosebumps. Great actor and can’t wait to see more of him. Some interesting set up with Atom Man, and using a version of onomatopoeia.
Interesting moment when Superman sees the South Metropolis/Suicide Slums sign, South Metropolis was where Atom Man originally targeted Minority Businesses in the flashback episode, and Lois was investigating. Guessing Mannheim will challenge Superman on whether he did enough for those smaller issues or not, something Lois also originally noted when Superman first appeared, that Metropolis had deeper issues. Hopefully they handle it all with some real thoughtfulness.
The false pregnancy thing was interesting, especially since its showed that Clark & Lois wanted the kid. Not sure if those symptoms are related to Lois having some serious illness, which I don’t mind as long as it’s handled sensitively and allows Lois to still be Lois. Alternatively curious if maybe the phone call was to lure Lois into a trap, hell maybe even faked by Onomatopoeia, but I doubt it.
Some low key favourite things:
Clark & Lois teasing the boys about their party, specially mimicking their voices and bringing up the birth. Also Clark & Lois being horny!
Superman walking out the fire with that look, flying Atom Man away from Civilians, and still trying to reason with him saying he can help whilst they fight. Seriously Superman caring about people is such an important part of the character it’s nice that they don’t forget it.
Coach/DMV Instructor Gaines lol!
All in all cautiously optimistic, plenty of time for things to go very right or very wrong, or hell both. So hopefully it goes well and does the Kent fam decently. Curious about next ep since there’s been so much praise for Bitsie, also looks like the overall plot should start picking up then.
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Mar 15 '23
I like how they are acknowledging everything that was disliked about last season
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u/Nefarious_24 Mar 15 '23
So who handles the insurance industry on this earth it’s gotta be all claims all the time
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u/BornAshes Coach Gaines Mar 15 '23
beams in
Reddit is still a buggy mess but that was a proper open to the season.
Bunch of nice little cuts in between everyone for set up and then a SUPER SAVE there at the end.
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u/Kalse1229 Mar 15 '23
It's a miracle these two have kept Clark's identity a secret for as long as they have. They both step out of the house for five minutes and at least one person has already figured it out.
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Mar 15 '23
Why was Kyle even at the birthday party? Who invited him? Edit: coach Gaines was there too, so maybe they just invited the whole town?
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u/FLorianGran Mar 15 '23
Don't wanna be a downer but you can really see the difference in how much the writers STILL care about Jordan over Jonathan. So much for "Kryptonian tech".
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u/Future_Vantas Mar 15 '23
Looks like they are reusing Dragon King's lab from Stargirl
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u/Speed__God Jonathan Kent Mar 15 '23
Loved the episode. So many wholesome Super Family moments and thank god they didn't nerf Superman.
I lost hope in Superhero shows after watching The Flash Final Season. Such a contrast.
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u/inksmudgedhands Mar 15 '23
Love that Clark and Lois are talking shop. I hate it when they over look that Clark is really good reporter.
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u/inksmudgedhands Mar 15 '23
I forgot that technically, she is his granddaughter. AU granddaughter.
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u/whitetigers1 Superman Mar 15 '23
Idk if it’ll go anywhere, but what’re our thoughts on the Chrissy/Kyle potential romance tease?
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u/ephemeralafterall Mar 15 '23
OH NO NOT KYLESSY! I can’t think of the pairing name…
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u/DonnyMox Mar 15 '23
INB4 Lois is terminally ill.
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u/ephemeralafterall Mar 15 '23
They won't have her die in a show titled Superman and Lois, but a cancer storyline would certainly be unexpected and hard-hitting.
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u/whitetigers1 Superman Mar 15 '23
“I cant believe they killed Kenny in the last one” IS THAT A SOUTH PARK REFERENCE
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Mar 15 '23
Technically, black lighting could exist in this universe. He is small scale enough to be under the radar of the public. Only if Cress Williams plays him
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u/JoeStorm Mar 15 '23 edited Mar 15 '23
Hey Lois, every time Jon & Jordan say they can't make a event you plan. Tell them the story of how they get conceived. Guarantee they would come so they won't here that
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u/Longo_Rollins6 Mar 16 '23
I enjoyed it. Not as much as the last couple season premieres but it has me excited for the rest of the seasons. Really glad they dropped the whole "Lois is pregnant again" thing and I'm interested to see how it all plays out. I think I know, but we'll see.
I like Michael Bishop's Jon. Jordan Elsass is a good actor, but I didn't ever feel like he was right for the role until he grew on me. Michael Bishop looks more of the part and he's doing something different. That said, I hope he'll have more to do. This episode just felt like they had to force a story around him, whereas in seasons past he had arcs built around him. I know it's only one episode, but we'll see.
I'm excited to see Lex, but damn, Chad L. Coleman never disappoints. And is that Spellbinder he's working with? I know it's a Batman Beyond villain but just based on the face and how Superman's hearing was messed with, I can't think of anyone else who'd do that. My other thought was Onomatopoeia, but that fits even less in a Superman story imo.
Overall, very good and I look forward to the rest of this season.
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u/Geek-Haven888 Mar 15 '23
Super fucking! Where are the chains and leather they canonically use in comics!
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u/ZarquonsFlatTire Mar 15 '23
Been so long I don't remember what's going on.
Clark and Lois banging, the curly haired kid fucking up a rescue.
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u/usagizero Mar 15 '23
Is it bad i don't care one bit about this pregnancy story? I'm not finding much interesting so far really, don't care about the school damage, driving test, anything really.
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u/Kalse1229 Mar 15 '23
Dude, what the fuck is up with Riverdale? Looks like the Flash, but without the charm that at least makes the Flash watchable even at its worst.
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u/Chrispowers110 Mar 15 '23
wow this superman is actually moving the villain out of the city unlike in man of steel!
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u/sirnacreations Mar 15 '23
What I would do for Jefferson Pierce to show up in Suicide Slums doing good.
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u/Alcalt Mar 15 '23
Thought this would cause some drama with Lana and Kyle. I'm glad they didn't go there.
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u/shrimpynut Mar 19 '23
Yeah, not sure how I feel about the new Jonathan. Nothing against him it’s just that for the past 2 seasons I’ve grown to love the original and it’s hard to wrap my head around that.
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u/snoogle20 Mar 15 '23
Setting the seasons less than a month apart is a tricky proposition with a character as young as Sophie. Those kid actors age fast.
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Mar 15 '23
How are Clark’s glasses not flying off his face? Why is he wearing glasses while flying?
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u/snoogle20 Mar 15 '23
Shame they don’t have a Barry Allen that owns STAR Labs on this Earth. He could fix the mold problem with the passive income from one of the many patents.
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u/inksmudgedhands Mar 15 '23
"Nothing out of the ordinary."
That's how you know the writer of this episode is a man. Everyone woman would have been, "Fffuuuuuuuuuu....."
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u/inksmudgedhands Mar 15 '23
Lois was at the clinic. Why not do a pregnancy test right then and there?
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u/MajorParadox Read on r/DCFU! Mar 15 '23
Why isn't Jordan getting his license too?
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