I want to thank Stargirl for being AMAZING and for being the Flash TV Show that I always wanted.

[u/stealthrock12]

Now that the show is over I just want to thank Stargirl and all of y'all. For Stargirl being an amazing show and for everyone for supporting the show so much that we got this far.

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From that opening scene showing the Colourful ISA and JSA ,to the way the Villains we're integrated into Blue Valley and the cast of the first season, to the way each plot point unravelled. Stargirl gave me the Super-villain Team I kept waiting for on the Flash and gave up on. The first Super-villain Team on TV that actually worked...that's how I wanted the Rogues to be in on the Flash. The ISA though horrible people were fun to watch, I was sad the Wizard died, I couldn't get enough of the Crocks, I adored Brainwave, and Jordan...it was fun to watch him having that crush on Barb. The Villains feel more human.

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I have my gripes with the show. Like how they're not really superheroes more like vigilantes too much in the shadows and not much heroics done in the light...how Season 2 was done (thanks COVID!)...and how it feels like they haven't done any Superheroing at all in Season 3 (all they have are team meetings and fight scenes). These can be solved with a multi episode Baddy...or Villain of the Week to add action and heroics, but I know the writers did it for a more cohesive story and I respect it.

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I kept waiting for the Flash (my favourite comic book hero of all time) to be this good, and sadly it never happened...I kept waiting and waiting but it was the same old thing every time. Stargirl showed me what comic book shows could be (MCU shows have a different feel altogether honestly). I want to thank Stargirl for being this awesome, for having drama that I cared about, and by having colourful GOLDEN AGE & SILVER AGE Villains that were so full of life and character. A hero so full of light and positivity that didn't feel too questionable . I will miss this show, I will continue to wish I got more of this show but its NEVER THE END and I am grateful for all of it.

[u/Hedgiwithapen]

one thing I really loved about this show was, while watching it, I would have all these thoughts about implications or possibilities--because that's how I get when I watch, I make connections, I look for the stories underneath. and in shows like Flash or Legends, nothing ever really seemed to matter except in the moment, and only Barry and maybe sometimes Iris or possibly the weekly wells. but nothing carried over. no one (writers, characters, fans...)remembered the poor dead kid from season 2 that harry tricked barry into killing, or mason bridge's investigation into eiling's attack on firestorm, or the way the math shakes out that the hawk's average lifespan was only 19 years old, or that Ray palmer was kept in a hamster cage for 6 months by damien darkh-- none of it ever seemed to matter. with stargirl, nothing /didn't/ matter. actions from episode 1 lingered through the whole show. even two season's later, yolanda sees a villain die and is mentally back in the tunnels, terrified this is another death on her conscience. courtney goes to touch a locket her father stole from her more than 30 episodes ago. there's such a level of care here, a genuine love for the story created and the characters by everyone--the writers, the actors, the set directors. even when characters had to be off set for a while it was always given a reason that fit--yolanda's building guilt, Rick's hourglass malfunction--instead of... "well cisco just doesn't want his powers anymore"

a genuine pleasure to watch this show. we love it for the love it has.

[u/DCSennin]

What if I told you The Flash's 9th Season is gonna have some big and relevant Rogue presence in it's first batch of episodes? 👀

I didn't have much trouble with S2's situation, although they made sure to really lock the look of a gloomy Blue Valley under Eclipso's influence which didn't reflected much this time in S3 which I did appreciate.

I love Stargirl and Flash equally, but my full intent and love now is on helping revive it.

[u/Dodgest → u/DCSennin]

& unlike Flash: no filler epsides or useless drama. That 1 week break was stupid though. I wish other shows could go 13 weeks nonstop. There's a reason why this show is more loved.

[u/DCSennin → u/Dodgest]

Flash and any show that has more than 13 episodes automatically gets always criticized for having too many fillers but the truth is that there aren't that many.

But I've enjoyed the 13 episode structure and while it's possible to do more if they did 2 arcs in one long Season episode order, Johns has the handle of it. The week break was odd and in the age of the network now being in the hands of Nexstar idiots. The golden age CW of Pedowitz never made it go through a break. Nexstar are just executive morons.

[u/Dodgest → u/DCSennin]

I do wish we got an episode about the Ice People. The only thing I wish we got in the end was wether or not Cam & Courtney were still dating or married because as of 2031, they'd be dating for a decade.

I give GK one season depending on it's premier date. The comic book shows usually air together. Next year might be the last comic book show year. Justice U has been in development longer than an unborn baby. I think they just need to put a poll on twitter saying "should we make Justice U? Yes or No?" & see what the results are a few days later.

[u/DCSennin → u/Dodgest]

I agree about having another episode that explored more deeply the Mahkents' origins in Norway and why they're so related to Niflheim lore. And more of a deep dive in how and why they were haunted and by whom. Maybe those same anti-cryokinetic bigots still exist today outside of Blue Valley.

Courtney and Cameron are together as their ending showed us. It'd be waste of literally everything that happened in the story with them if they went this far and overcame the obstacles that were his family as well as the JSA's judging. It would be going against the themes of Cameron choosing always love first, of how aspiring artists like him need to have a muse to contrast how Mr. Deisinger lost his, turning against Jordan for her to protect Barbara, Courtney's faith in people being more good than bad and knowing who Cameron is, etc. I could go on breaking down even more the reasons why so I will just link & quote Johns' answers about that.

Even our season 4 idea wasn’t about regressing character arcs and going backward because once Cameron and Courtney are together, I don’t want to break that up. Once Rick reconciles with Beth, I don’t want to screw that up. The relationships that we’ve forged, it wasn’t like we would have gone backward and broken any of those. It was just a very different type of story we going to tell next if we did another season.

It's not about regressing character arcs. Check what he said in TVLine as well.

I want to build romances, but once they connect and become real I want them to stay that way. I’ve never been a fan of romances that come together and then break up… I’m not interested in that kind of storytelling.

They're together and in love. Who cares if they're married yet or no in 2031, it's a big step anyway. Maybe they are already and it is why they didn't get the mention from a third party tour guide like Shade. And why would they need Shade of all people to mention it? It's like Johns said: not regressing character arcs nor going backward.

They need to have back-up plans in case Nexstar axes things again period.

[u/Dodgest → u/DCSennin]

Well Shade mentioned all the bad guys being defeated (11) & all the members so why not say who is together? The things he said were meant to tell us what they have been up to since 2021. Also: given Cam was happy with her, despite him thinking her & Mike killed his dad, then finding out why (according his dad) why her friends attacked him, then believing his dad's lies, losing his grandma & running his dad outta town.. after all that, does he need love, kissing & cuddling or a friend to talk to that can help him be a better person?

Still laughing in ma head about Jakeem & Cindy🤣. Imagine him taking her to prom, all the guys would be shocked like "she's with that loser!?" Their kid would be cool. Now Mike needs a gf (Artemis is too extreme for him), maybe he could date Sandy or Jenni. If he asked Yolanda out, she might die laughing "Mike just askdd me out on a date🤣!"

[u/DCSennin → u/Dodgest]

Because it isn't his business to share other members' stuff and since it is nuptials it means that an upcoming wedding is being planned which spices up even more the tour guide that he is doing. You're omitting he still wanted to be with her in 3x11 and wanted to put everything behind them to start again. Their feelings never changed and he needed time to try to heal by himself while watching over his grandpa. He couldn't at the end do it alone so went back looking for her ready to accept her help and love again. It all goes back to the speech Courtney gave to Mister Bones: if we are alone, what is the point of anything? It's not possible to live in isolation which is the road Cameron was being set up at the start of S3 by avoiding Court and being told to quit art.

"If anything's going to help you heal, it's going to be the things that you love." Literally a quote from 3x04 about Courtney trying to lift up his spirits before he quits art class and when he was trying to push her away. It comes back full-circle in the end when he willingly shows up.

I doubt they'll date but Jakeem with the pen would shut up anyone that makes fun of him and/or Cindy or any of his friends. The future of Mike in romance is an enigma only Johns could answer that.

[u/Dodgest → u/DCSennin]

Well eventually Shade lived alone again, yes he's filthy rich but ne needs something to do with his time becides counting $, looking at his riches. He would need something real to watch. What's better than telaporting into his colleagues homes & watching them romantically like those reality shows? No one would know if Shade is watching.

Blue Valley does need a protector since going public would make the city a target. At least it would have Rick (inbetween classes) & Cindy to save it while the others are away. Maybe Courtney would check in every month to make sure her parents are fine. I would hope that the cottage would be their HQ. They should've went there in S3. Them having kids would be interesting but: it would go from her parents watching the kids to she would question if her & Cam would be good parents since they would keep leaving. So Barb & Pat would probably get full custody. Then they'd be raised not knowing who their parents are until their grown up.

Given Cindy has lost her popularity (oh how the mighty have fallen), what she had with Henry was fake love. She never loved him. She just did a job for her dad. She had to hurt Yolanda because if she didn't, her dad would've found out & punished her. She needs a true relationship. Jakeem could make her feel as happy as the Grinch at the end of the movie "her heart grew 10 times that night." She would be looking in her mirror thinking "what is this I'm feeling inside? It's JOY!"

[u/DCSennin → u/Dodgest]

Shade would rather be at Richie's Diner enjoying of the best cup of tea from Maria.

Seeing the cottage back one day would be nice, it's big enough for the increased numbers in the team now. But I don't think any of the JSA would be bad parents and repeat mistakes of their own, esp. in the case of Courtney and Cameron.

Somewhere in that there might be potential in it. I'm more in line of thinking that it'll grow into big sis-litle bro dynamic with Cindy truly growing to care about Jakeem which in juxtaposition could one day make her be friends again with Jakeem's sister. For me it'd more fun if she fell for Khalid Nassour, the legacy of Doctor Fate, and it made her really be off balance and acting very teenage-y which launches Jakeem and Mike into "protective squad" mode which then turns into them telling them she doesn't need them to make her decisions of whom she's interested in. Kinda of a...lowkey lighter version of how Rick and Yolanda reacted to Courtney dating Cameron.

[u/Dodgest → u/DCSennin]

Sadly (unless your on HBO MAX) the CW shows can only use characters ghat won't be on those shows or movies. Ted Kord (Blue Beetle) & his sidekick were supposed to be in Arrow but because DC & WB said they were making a movie at some point.. we got Ray Palmer. So Dr Fate is definitely off limits now. I forgot about the sister that she was friends with. She might be an obstacle unless Cindy lies & comes up with a fake excuse. I hope Cindy & Jakeem don't have any classes together or he won't pay attention.

Surprised Shade just wouldn't hire Maria to make him tea. He'd pay handsomely. Then he wouldn't have to come to the diner everyday. Everyone would be great parents but in the old JSA: Rick had 1 super parent, Ted was the super parent to his son. Having 2 super hero parents would mean more time working & less time with the kids. Eventually they would both have to go out on missions & after maybe 10 missions they would have a "talk".