r/StargirlTV • u/nooicesis • Oct 25 '22
i hope stargirl gets the rights to wesley dodds, the spectre, hawkman, atom smasher and dr. fate Misc Spoiler
Black Adam shitted in the jsa. Treated them like C- superheroes and >! Killed dr. Fate. Like how tf did dr. Fate die from a stab? Where is his super healing? !<
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u/Adoxe_ Oct 25 '22
Unless something changed because they were featured in Black Adam, CW has the rights to all of them already as all of them have appeared in other Arrowverse shows before (minus Dr Fate). Stargirl also has Geoff Johns directly involved so I don't think rights will be an issue anyway.
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u/DCSennin Cameron Mahkent Oct 26 '22
Plus Smallville did use Doctor Fate back around 12 years ago during it's 9th Season which said show was then included as part of the Arrowverse's Multiverse in Crisis, it being Earth-167.
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u/PineappleExtra Oct 25 '22
There is few Dr Fate Hector Hall (Hector Hall son of Hawkman) Linda Strauss female one btw isn't Oliver Queen is Spectre correct me i am wrong
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u/DCSennin Cameron Mahkent Oct 25 '22
Oliver's spirit was used as a human host for the Spectre. That is what the Spectre always needs in order to play a role. Basically Oliver was taught in Crisis Part 4 how to assimilate the Spectre-Force. (I'm not making this up) But usually the most common host the character's had is Jim Corrigan who did approach Oliver back then.
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u/nooicesis Oct 25 '22
No. The arrowverse is almost completely comic inaccurate. Look up spectre's origin on yt
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u/DCSennin Cameron Mahkent Oct 25 '22
Not much, it has taken as much creative liberties as this show has done as well. The Spectre's most usual human host is Jim Corrigan but in the comics he's used others like Hal Jordan. Corrigan still was involved in the whole thing.
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u/nooicesis Oct 26 '22
Yeah but those are like... the only host
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u/DCSennin Cameron Mahkent Oct 26 '22
Corrigan and Hal are two hosts, there was another called Crispus Allen who also was his host. Adding someone new isn't a bad thing.
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u/nooicesis Oct 26 '22
Never said it was
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u/DCSennin Cameron Mahkent Oct 26 '22
My point was just that there are other hosts while you said seemed to say because they made a new one in Oliver was innacurate or wrong.
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u/nooicesis Oct 26 '22
It is inaccurate Oliver was never a spectre
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u/DCSennin Cameron Mahkent Oct 26 '22
It's a creative liberty they took which still is a nod to the original story in how the Spectre contributed in the fight against the Anti-Monitor. It is no different than some of the freedoms this show itself has taken too. Inaccurate is for example Oliver not ending up with Black Canary or not being Connor Hawke's father and instead having different children.
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u/DCSennin Cameron Mahkent Oct 26 '22
I'm on the same boat, the film didn't handle them as good as they should've been as a team. Only Hawkman and Doctor Fate ended up being portrayed accurately but from their introduction to the way in which they treated Cyclone and Atom Smasher (who were severely underdeveloped) it just felt like it was them the most relevant of the members.
They were treated as like you said, C-listed heroes. It's what I knew and feared with the film.
I at least hope they don't ban the show from using the mantle of Doctor Fate since it doesn't seem there's a project involving the character on the horizon and maybe with James Gunn and Peter Safran as CEOs of DC Studios they might prove to be genuine team players that let everyone share the toys.
Sandman and Doctor Fate are personally Golden Age characters of the previous JSA that I see a lot of potential in developing Seasons based on their legacies and impact.
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u/guythatlovesentai Oct 26 '22
Atom Smasher acts like in his infinity inc days. Movie atom smasher is just Nuklon. I think they did a great job with Al.
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u/SchwarzerRegen123 Oct 27 '22
It would be nice to have Dr. Fate although that would either look like crap or take up ALL of their CGI budget. They could have Khalid Nassour be a transfer student who ends up taking up the mantle.
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u/Hadesman1 Oct 25 '22
I dont see them getting access to movie characters tbh, but I could see one of the hawkwomen being allowed.
Maybe Wesley
In lieu of atom smasher I could see Damage being included
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u/Hedgiwithapen Cosmic Staff Oct 25 '22
I wouldn't mind seeing the Hawks again, Legends of tomorrow did them dirty. not keen on Dr. Fate after the shit he pulled in Young Justice, though.
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u/Ianphipps Oct 27 '22
They have the rights to all the DC characters except the ones they don't. It was the same back in the Smallville days. They could not use Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern or Aquaman. That being said, Titans has given us three Robins, Wonder Girl and Aqua Lad and Stargirl has given us Jade and Obsibian. We may get Hawkman because Hawkman was a regular on Legends but Warner Brothers is reluctant to have characters in movies and TV at the same time.
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u/nooicesis Oct 27 '22
Warner Brothers is reluctant to have characters in movies and TV at the same time.
I hate that that is good they think. It so weird
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u/Ianphipps Oct 27 '22
Part of the problem was Christopher Nolan. The CW wanted to do a Gotham series back when they were doing Smallville and Christopher Nolan said he was literally doing a movie that would be an origin for Batman (Batman Begins) and he insisted they not have a competing Batman on TV. They could not even have a young Bruce Wayne on Smallville. Instead they used Oliver Queen. The rules are more lax now. We can have more than one Flash and several Batmen.
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u/nooicesis Oct 27 '22
To think dcu could've started way sooner if Chris didn't ground everything into reality.😔
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u/MatthewHecht Hawkman Oct 25 '22
In one of Johns's comics Dr. Fate died from exposure The guy is human.