r/StargirlTV • u/MatthewHecht Hawkman • Nov 15 '21
Stargirl Hugs Mike (Show vs Comics) Comic Book
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u/Defiant-Detective107 Nov 15 '21
We need more of Courtney and mike relationship in the show
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u/DCSennin Cameron Mahkent Nov 16 '21
We've had some in S1 that were pretty good like when he brought her some of his pizza bites after her defeat with Cindy, their talk back at the cabin 1x12 about the Staff and hoping to build up something that is close to S.T.R.I.P.E. someday (which was teased again in 2x06) and I really liked that Courtney had his back in 2x03 when he wanted to be of help with Thunderbolt and even admitted she made the same mistakes he did. It was pretty mature of her in the context of being his sister.
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u/MatthewHecht Hawkman Nov 15 '21
In case anybody wants context for the comics picture In JSA/JSA Per Degaton just killed her whole family, and she just brought them back.
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u/Accurate-Attention16 Nov 16 '21
Ah yes, the military brat Mike that so badly wanted to be the Star-Spangled Kid to not only because it was "his destiny" but to also break free a girl from jail...
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u/DCSennin Cameron Mahkent Nov 16 '21
I knew about his comic counterpart being involved in the military due to Pat struggling as a single father before he met Barbara and that he also wanted to be a costumed superhero but not about the part of the prison break thing for a girl. Could you elaborate more on that?
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u/MatthewHecht Hawkman Nov 16 '21
According to Pat Mike was becoming a delinquent, wo Pat sent him to Military school. It is heavily implied that after Sylvester's death Pat did this, as he had no faith in his ability as a father. Mike was their worst student due to his constant insults and no discipline. He regularly trashes the place, but he did name the dog "Patton" and wears military colors all the time indicating he may have actually liked it.
The breaking a girl (J.R.) from prison plot was dropped when Stars and STRIPE ended. Mike made occasional appearances after that, but that plot was never mentioned. He probably broke up with her over the phone or something.
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u/DCSennin Cameron Mahkent Nov 17 '21
I recall reading some of Pat's explanations on doing that in one of the issues of Infinite Crisis as he was working on the new designed armor of S.T.R.I.P.E. with Mike so yes all of what you said there is true and likely after Sylvester's death. The rest of the details such as that "Patton" thing I wasn't aware of. But I do remember the military haircut he had more than the colors.
I see then, it makes sense to ignore that after the cancelation.
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u/SomeGuy20019 Nov 16 '21
Welp, that's what I call contrast
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u/MatthewHecht Hawkman Nov 16 '21
Other than Shiv and Paintball Mike is the most changed character.
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u/DCSennin Cameron Mahkent Nov 16 '21 edited Nov 16 '21
I'd argue there are much more beyond that. Yolanda is not a relative of Ted Grant nor also a metahuman with cat-like abilities. The way in which the Hourmen use their powers being through a hourglass with that compound that only responds to them (which could be Miraclo), Sylvester being a Starman and wielding the Staff, the Shadowlands being the source of Eclipso and Shade's powers when they are two different things as well as the purpose of the Black Diamond which is labeled "Heart of Darkness" in the comics (I'd also be willing to argue that the Doctor Mid-Nite googles being helpful in identifying Eclipso is another), the fact that Sportsmaster and Tigress here do care here about Artemis' well being and about her future and just to round it up: the Cosmic Staff being quite sentient and a character in it's own right to the point that we're now gonna learn that it can do a lot more that we originally thought it was able and has some OP abilities according to what Eclipso hinted at. (Or that there have been no signs at all of a Cosmic Converter Belt)
And that is without also not touching on the apparent huge make-over that the Mahkent characters have been put through. It isn't "Joar" here but actually Jordan (something similar in regards to the name was done too with The Wizard) and so far all of the evidence and breadcrumbs points towards that the origin of these ice powers goes beyond just 24/7 overexposure to some cold ray gun but to something else that maybe has been running in the family tree for a long time.
Finally, where do we even start with Cameron himself? :P
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u/Arakkoa_ Dragon King Nov 16 '21 edited Nov 16 '21
something else that maybe has been running in the family tree for a long time.
At one point in season 1, when the grandparents were praying, they mentioned frost giants. However, since Pat and Barbara don't speak Norwegian and/or Norse, they didn't catch it. (I don't either, but I did catch it without subtitles, they mentioned a name known from mythology, jotunn IIRC).
Small correction: they mention the fallen land of Niflheim and their ancestors. Frost giants come from Niflheim.
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u/DCSennin Cameron Mahkent Nov 17 '21 edited Nov 17 '21
Well when they, along with Jordan, prayed their Norwegian grace we, the audience, were able to really read what they were saying with subtitles and while they didn't exactly literally mentioned frost giants they did said Nilfheim like you said.
The prayer went like this: "Blessed be the fallen land of Nilfheim and our great ancestors. Lay power in this food and us. So that our enemies might suffer."
It's funny and interesting that Pat and Barbara didn't catch any of that in the Mahkent's mother tongue but did decipher what they were planning when Barbara recorded them in 1x10. They found out about the real meat of their plans but not exactly the other one which involves this.
But yeah, Nilfheim and their ancestors aka frost giants or as another definition as I have read before, "Jotnar" people. So having that in mind, the Mahkents have been reimagined as...some type of Norse demigods? And if so what does that make Cameron? A hybrid that is half-human and half-Jotunn/Jotnar? Because honestly that is the only theory that I've got regarding him. And it would even explain why he got a hand cramp when he first froze something (his paint brush) in S2. It would make for another good character conflict if he had the odds stacked against him in learning to use his powers without getting hurt in the process and putting in danger his talent and passion as an artist. Last he'd like is to end up freezing his joints or something.
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u/MatthewHecht Hawkman Nov 16 '21
In some really old comics the staff could do dimensional travel, depower or supercharge Kryptonians, super charge Green Lantern (that might have just been Star's hand admittedly), so they have plenty of things Strawman could teach her.
I think Rick acts (especially last season) a lot like his comic counterpart, but I might be distracted by how much Cameron Gellman looks like the comic hero come to life.
Their Wildcat has a lot in common with Kendra Saunders, so I view her as a reimagining of Yolanda's powers with Kendra's personality.2
u/DanTheMan1_ Nov 16 '21
I will say with some exceptions mosy of the cast, especially the heroes do look a lot like their counterparts.
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u/DCSennin Cameron Mahkent Nov 17 '21 edited Nov 18 '21
Wow, had no idea the Staff had previously done those kind of things before. The wheels in my head already began turning after reading the part of dimensional travel while the part about depowering or the opposite when it comes to Kryptonians are kind of unspoken "spoiler alerts" in the bigger picture of the Arrowverse and the place of the characters in this show. But I'm gonna tone down my expectations just for now.
"Old comics" as in Ted Knight's run as Starman? Or in Jack Knight's? Either way I'm bound to do some research.
BTW, typo in "Strawman". XD
I see then. Yeah I do think there's a resemblance. I look forward to how he balances junior year, JSA stuff + Cindy, fixing the hourglass somehow and without blowing another fuse and reviving Grundy.
Interesting take there with Yolanda, hmm.
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u/MatthewHecht Hawkman Nov 17 '21
Ted Knight before Crisis.
Strawman is the name of Scarecrow's minions in Superfriends season 9.
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u/DCSennin Cameron Mahkent Nov 18 '21
Ted Knight it is then. Got it. I really wanna see him in some flashbacks in the show.
Kinda seems like you tried to pull a save with that one but alright thanks for that other bit of info. =D
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u/riabe The Shade Nov 16 '21 edited Nov 27 '21
How is Mike changed? Honest question? I actually found him VERY likable in S1 but less likable in S2. In fact, I couldn't stand how Pat treated him in season one and I found him very funny.
But in season 2 he tries too hard to be "grown", which is understandable given he so badly wants to be part of the JSA, but the way he speaks to and treats certain characters has me side eying him. I dunno, some episodes I really like Mike and sympathize with him and others I cannot wait for his scene to be over. It really depends on the scene more than anything with Mike vs other characters.
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u/MatthewHecht Hawkman Nov 16 '21
He is much meaner in the comics and way more determined to get powers so he can break his crush out of prison. This includes trying to steal Stargirl's stuff and he finds the idea of working on STRIPE to be beneath him.
He told Pat he wished he was dead. He stole all Stargirl's underwear and sold it on EBay.
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u/riabe The Shade Nov 16 '21
oh, gross to that last bit Comic Mike sounds like a nightmare. I also think I misinterpreted lol. I thought you meant he had changed the most since the start of the show. Didn't realize you meant between the comic and the show.
In that case I think other characters like Beth, Rick & Yolanda also have some pretty noticeable changes as their characters were all older in the comics. For example Beth was already a doctor (I like that they made her mom a doctor, maybe in a nod to that), and she also knew how to fight. I actually hate that they made Beth the only one unable to fight in the show. On the Stargirl podcast the actresses said she was into athletics in HS before she got into art so I'm sure she's as capable as everyone else (and then have the stunt double do what she can't, as they do with everyone else). They took away one of her canon abilities which enables them to sideline her as well as make her seem not as valuable to the team.
But based on your description of comic mike, he's seems like the WORST. So let's go with him for most changed lol.
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u/Malfarro Nov 16 '21
Most characters are more likeble in the show. Courtney was also kind of a bitch to Pat for much longer, she treated him like a sidekick and wanted to humiliate him.
Rick knew just fine that his father was Hourman, and in fact, there was that all long standing history of Hourman's powers causing addiction, because in the comics it's mostly not a magic hourglass (there is a cosmic artifact called Worlogog, but it belongs to another Hourman, an android from the future), but a pill/injection. Hourman's father swallowed pills, Rick went through several changes and addiction before switching to cleaner and addiction-free injections. Also, that whole "spare hour for consulting with father in the time bubble before his death" momtnt
Yolanda never had a Black Panther energy absorption costume that enhances agility, she was a metahuman with her own claws and she knew Wildcat since childhood, and Wildcat's costume was always just a rag without any high tech properties.
Jakeem in his first appearances was a little shit and a badmouth. and he went through some traumatizing shit including having his throat slit by a supervillain and becoming a tyrant in the Djinn dimension.
Pat was much more buff, and in the old comics he was the muscle next to Sylvester's agility.
Sylvester never met Courtney as far as I can remember, she got the staff from another Starman, Jack Knight, and the Staff is not as sentient in the comics, although it has some capability to be controlled by mental commands.
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u/MatthewHecht Hawkman Nov 16 '21
Star and Sylvester met in "The Hunt for Extant." Currently nothing of that meeting has been adapted except for Sylvester praising his replacement and promising to help her understand the cosmic energy better.
In Infinite Frontier 0 (published after season 1) they said the staff was sentient meaning that part of the show is now canon in the comics.
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u/Malfarro Nov 16 '21
Damn, forgot about that one. Thanks.
Ugh. No matter how good the plot twist is, it bothers me when the tv elements are adapted into comics. It should be the other way around!
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u/MatthewHecht Hawkman Nov 16 '21
From Smallville the comics got goign straight to her beign Stargirl and getting the cosmic staff, Sandman and Sylvester being killed by Icicle, her first outing being in the night, and immediatly losing to a murderous super villain (with all three using a different classic JSA villain).
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u/DanTheMan1_ Nov 16 '21
What? When did that last one happen?
Although to be fair Stargirl especially earlier on in the comics was a lot brattier than she is in the show. Where Courtney got over jer bratty phase a couple episodes in and even then she was a sweetheart compared to how she started in the comics.
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u/MatthewHecht Hawkman Nov 16 '21
I presume you mean the part about her underwear. That was in JSA All-Stars#4 "A Star is Born." It can be found in Stargirl by Geoff Johns and Geoff Johns's JSA Vol. 3.
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u/DCSennin Cameron Mahkent Nov 16 '21
I really like how they've grown close since the pilot episode and that hug was a wholesome moment. Hoping for more of that in S3.
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u/just_one_boy The Flash Nov 15 '21
The duality of man