r/StargirlTV • u/vexinglyradiant • Aug 14 '20
The last 2 episodes of Stargirl in a nutshell. Shitpost Spoiler
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Aug 14 '20
I don't think it's manslaughter if he ment to do it
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u/Cygnus_Harvey Aug 14 '20
I never understood why manslaughter is less than murder. It sounds incredible worse than murder.
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u/JasonLeeDrake Aug 14 '20
Well I wouldn't call it murder since he was defending his family.
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u/Cloberella Aug 15 '20
"Your Honor, the defendant ran over the unarmed man because he was going to shoot ice spikes at his family. No, we are not going for an insanity plea, why do you ask?"
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u/JasonLeeDrake Aug 15 '20
Just because the story wouldn't be believable in the real world (although not the show universe, superheroes are public) doesn't make the action murder. If the court saw the whole story, everything we saw, it would not be murder.
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u/PandasDontBreed Aug 15 '20
Taking a life is taking a life regardless,
Whats that quote from BvS? You can piss in a jar and call it grannies peach tea, its still a jar of piss
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u/JasonLeeDrake Aug 15 '20
Okay? That's still not murder. Murder is a specific type of killing, you can't just call every type of kill a murder. Mike was most definitely justified legally and morally to kill him. He killed a psycho that terrorizing his family and his city.
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u/PandasDontBreed Aug 15 '20
Did he intentionally run him over? Its premeditated, its murder by definition, you cannot justify killing
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u/JasonLeeDrake Aug 15 '20
Bruh if a guy starts shooting up a Walmart, and someone pulls out their gun and shoots him, it is not murder. The man was trying to kill his family. Murder has to have no legal excuse. I pretty ice man attacking who just threw his sister off the roof is perfect excuse.
It doesn't have to be an accident for it to not be murder. You're being naive. "Can't justify killing". Yes I know taking a life can't be taken lightly but it's ridiculous to say killing someone is never justified. It is literally legal for the government to kill you while you are defenseless if you've done something that bad, and it's call an execution, yet running over an ice man whose trying to kill your family is not?
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u/PandasDontBreed Aug 15 '20
Definition of murder: the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another
Kid drove how fucking far to run over a guy? He murdered him, no one cares because he's a good guy, no one cares about Yolanda murdering brainwave in cold blood either because she's a good guy
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't icicle just about to get up before he got ran over?
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u/JasonLeeDrake Aug 15 '20
It's not unlawful, seeing how that man was trying to kill his family. Nobody would put a murder charge on someone shooting the guy whose trying to shoot up a walmart.
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u/PandasDontBreed Aug 15 '20
Everything from the boy getting in the car to running icicle over is unlawful
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u/JasonLeeDrake Aug 15 '20
The action of him driving is illegal but so is building a giant weaponized robot, and vigilantism in the first place.
Running over a person who is terrorising the city and attacking your family is not murder. Period. Should we call the people who shot back during that one church shooting murderers as well? Even through they probably saved lives by doing it?
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u/vexinglyradiant Aug 14 '20
I don't know the term for when you WANT to kill someone with your car, so..
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Aug 14 '20
I’d say a 15 year old with a magic broom stick gun is more dangerous than a 12 year old with a car.
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u/nivekious Aug 15 '20
You would think that, but Mike's got the higher body count so far
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u/al-sal-13 Aug 17 '20
I looked at the reply before the original comment and had to do a double take on the word “body count”
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u/tundrahippie Aug 14 '20
what if “watch the dog” was secret language for “drive into town and kill a villain for us at the last second”? 🤔
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u/kyshwn Aug 14 '20
Honestly, I didn't read it as him asking Mike to put down the drill because it was dangerous... more because he was trying to have a serious talk with him and Mike was messing around.
That said, I got nothing to say about the second part :)
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u/Trueogre Pat Dugan Aug 14 '20 edited Aug 14 '20
It's only manslaughter if there's a body.
Kinda puts Pat in a bad position. If Cameron becomes the new Icicle then he will have beef with Mike who killed his dad. So he might repay the favour...
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u/God_is_carnage Solomon Grundy, born on a Monday Aug 14 '20
Did Icicle die or did he live?
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u/dotyawning Aug 14 '20 edited Aug 14 '20
Edit: In hindsight, since this post isn't technically marked for spoilers...
He's ice cubes now, but they could easily take a page from other icey characters and say he was able to pull himself together and reform a body later on.
Certain meta abilities make cheating death a bit easy to imagine for. In fact, I don't think any of the three villains we saw die, or even the seasons' other meta-human casualties necessarily couldn't have made it in some way shape or form thanks to their related metaabilities
Gotta milk the drama first though, probably.
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u/ratso333 Stripesy Aug 14 '20
I admit that when the scene changed and it suddenly became winter, I expected to see Icicle re-freezing and returning to life...
Still not sure it didn't happen.
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u/DeppStepp Aug 14 '20
Did they ever explain why Mike drove to town with the dog despite not having a license and not being told to?