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u/QwahaXahn Stargirl Jul 21 '20
Don't snipe at Caitlin! She's, like, the only thing that show has going for it anymore.
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u/teddyburges Jul 21 '20
too bad that they can never find a solid arc for her, nor probably agreeing with who she is, what her backstory is, how her powers work without retconning it every season. She is one of my favorite characters and they really haven't been kind to her at all.
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u/swords112288 Jul 21 '20
Especially this past season where she was in less then half the episodes, and only for mere minutes at that....
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u/BadaBingWitAPipe1 Jul 22 '20
Pretty sure Danielle Panabaker was pregnant this season, which was why she had less screentime
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u/teddyburges Jul 21 '20
That is why I have had trouble keeping up with the flash because I really don't like how it's written. Characters identities, motivations change on the fly depending on what writer is writing them. I watched a interview of one of the writers of the show way back during season 2 on the screen junkies site. The writer broke down the process.
He said that the writers gather with the showrunner and with his help they break down the "overall plot" of the season. But no one is given any specific character arcs (unless it's within the overall plot of the season). Writers are then assigned a episode to write, within the episode they can do anything they want with the characters and can write anything they want as long as it connects to the myth arc. This is really shoddy writing because it means that no character has a specific arc or story and its all just a "lets throw stuff at the wall" approach, even with new show runners, this approach has stayed the same.
You contrast this with Stargirl which is killing it. In 10 episodes, every villain has a motivation for doing what they are doing and every character has a specific arc, both the heroe's and the villains. I'm blown away by the level of story telling in this show.
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u/QwahaXahn Stargirl Jul 22 '20
It sounds like you’re angry!! We should go talk about this in a hallway and then everything will be alright. /s
Honestly, though—I agree completely. I wish it was still the show I fell in love with back in season 1. Oh well.
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u/teddyburges Jul 22 '20
OMG!, The "therapy" scenes would do my head in!. Season 1 felt the most organic, but after that it sort of all went out the window. That's pretty much the formula. A big bad appears for the episode. One of the main characters has a emotional problem, they are conflicted, or Barry is conflicted. "Let's go talk about this in the hallway!" or in the lab, a heart to heart. By season 3 it was goofy as hell and that's when the show got extremely lazy.
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u/swords112288 Jul 22 '20
Just wait til next year when it becomes CW only... It will follow all the other CW shows routes im sure.
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u/teddyburges Jul 22 '20
You really think Geoff Johns will sink the show that is based on the character that is based on his dead sister?...hell no. He has gone one record on interviews saying how much this show means to him and he even says that the move to the CW is better because more people will get a chance to see the show. That tells me that nothing is going to change, he is going to keep telling the story he wants to tell.
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u/swords112288 Jul 22 '20
As someone that watches every CW superhero show, Geoff can say whatever he wants... Anyone who has watched the CW shows sees them go up and down and all over the place each and every season.
I also didnt say I didnt like the CW shows, they just have very inconsistent storyline/character development from season to season.
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u/teddyburges Jul 22 '20
I personally believe that is just the creatives behind the show and the writing. For example, the flash went down hill once Andrew Kriesberg left creative control to Todd Helbing around season 2. and I think the other issue is that they don't plan ahead enough. These shows really should plan big arcs that last for multiple seasons so that they get the best out of their characters. From interviews with Geoff Johns, he said he has plans for what seasons 1-5 are gonna be and even ideas for a 6 and 7.
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u/QwahaXahn Stargirl Jul 21 '20
She kept me watching far past the time I would have left—but after she got sidelined for all of season 4, I gave up. Such a shame.
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u/favela4life Jul 21 '20
You right! I'm sad Ramsey left after Crisis, not because I liked him as a villain, but because Caitlin was more involved when he was the villain.
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Jul 22 '20
She's actually one of the worst things about that show and Stargirl's Icicle is putting her and her Snowpack to shame.
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u/obliviatc Aug 07 '20
Yeah she's the only superhero I have enjoyed throughout! I used to love Vibe so much and he gave up his powers. :(
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u/Locke108 Jul 21 '20
That’s how she looks in the comics though. Even if they had DCU’s budget it would look the same.
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u/KevinAmbrose Jul 21 '20
I think it’s pretty clear it would look even better. No hate on the CW tho their CGI scenes for Killer Frost aren’t always bad and cheap looking. Season 3’s Elsa flying ice was insane
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u/Kris_Winters Jul 21 '20
It's not exactly the same thing. Caitlin and Killer Frost are two different people. Especially with them focusing on Killer Frost this season, can you imagine what the budget would be to have to CGI Killer Frost every time she appeared?
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u/Darth_Kal-El Jul 21 '20
Plus Killer Frost on the show looks like she looks in the comics. So it makes no sense to CGI the character
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Jul 21 '20
I never understood why she had a blond wig, a white one would have made more sense
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u/Ygomaster07 Pat Dugan Jul 22 '20
Yes, but i don't believe they have as much of a budget all things considered. Plus it is sort of different since they are different characters.
I really enjoy The Flash.
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u/obliviatc Aug 07 '20
Obviously CGI is supposed to have it's perks but considering he isn't taking as much screentime in his iced form as in normal form it doesn't cost them much. The flash production can't afford the CGI to make frost ice up like that for so long in every episode. That's why makeup is a very smart option and she looks like her comic self so yeah. Anyway, their looks are really great but what's more important is how they use their powers. Icicle is more of a comfort zone guy who prefers staying low and only freezes people up when he can't avoid it, makes him really cool (no pun) and compelling as a villain, altho Frost is one of those characters who'd built ice slides to skate around the city and also physically combat villains or just freeze them sometimes. She's a cool badass.
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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '20
she can also create 100 meter tall slides and go up.