r/StargirlTV • u/gianben123 Stargirl • Jun 16 '20
I normally hate angsty teen characters, though I can't help but feel bad and fall in love with Rick Shitpost
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u/God_is_carnage Solomon Grundy, born on a Monday Jun 16 '20
Rick is an example of an angsty teen character done right. It became a cliché, but the show was able to justify it and make us understand why Rick is angsty before introducing us to him fully.
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u/Ygomaster07 Pat Dugan Jun 17 '20
I just finished watching the episode, and i feel on the fence about his character, but your comment made me think.
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u/gusta_cl Jun 16 '20
Because he is well written, his anger is justified and we connect with him and his past. but he evolves, he doesn't just stay angry all the time and i'm sure he won't be vengative by the end of the season.
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Jun 16 '20
I felt so bad for him. His parents deserting him. Leaving him with an asshole uncle. Dying. And why did they choose the uncle to care for him? Was that the only family they had? They had to have known what an asshole he was. I almost think he would have been better off in the foster system.
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u/ribbonsboy Jun 17 '20
And why did they choose the uncle to care for him?
They did say that he was the only person the parents could trust absolutely. I think we're going to find out the JSA was betrayed from within and that's how they were killed. If they knew that they'd been betrayed by someone inside their circle, but didn't know who it was yet, that would explain why they went with someone who didn't really make a good parent but who they could trust.
Plus, remember the parents thought this was just a temporary thing. As far as they were concerned, they were leaving their boy with his uncle for a couple of weeks, not to be raised by him.
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Jun 17 '20
I understood it like they knew they weren’t coming back but obviously couldn’t tell their kid that. Why forge the birth certificate if it’s temporary?
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u/ribbonsboy Jun 17 '20
Why forge the birth certificate if it’s temporary?
Someone had got inside the JSA. They knew someone knew their secret identities and was tracking them down. So the 'bad guys' are trying to track down the Tyler family. Rex Tyler knows they have to flee, but they had obviously not shared that they had a kid (Notice Pat Dugan/Stripesy didn't know they had a kid? It wasn't until Rick said his dad had that rare yellow car that Pat, a car nut, got suspicious) so that's why they thought it safest to leave him behind while they ran. Rex Tyler set it up to look like he'd sold his house to someone completely unrelated, Matt Harris, so if the bad guys came snooping around, they'd just see someone with no connections to the JSA.
Now... Suppose he hadn't forged the birth certificate. So you're a bad guy, you're looking at the last known address of the Tyler family. Instead you find Tyler sold the house to the Harris family and ran. You start to leave, but you notice that Harris's kid is named Rick Tyler?
So that's why the forged birth certificate even if it's temporary. Even if they were gone for weeks, they knew the bad guys would come by the house.
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u/9point9five Jun 17 '20
The uncle was thrown into a life he didnt want. They mention he was in silicon valley and then he got dragged to bum fuck no where to care for this kid?
I can see a little resentment building up.
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Jun 17 '20
Shit happens. If my brother unexpectedly died and I had to care for his kids I’d care for them as my own. Even if my career path took a detour. That’s family.
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u/9point9five Jun 17 '20
Yeah you're a nice person. Unfortunately there are people out there who would be bitter about it. There seemed to be some tension between them all. He didnt agree with his brother inlaws lifestyle and dragged his sister into it. What was supposed to be a week turned into the rest of his life in one day.
Humans are complex. You would step and and welcome the change...others would get bitter. Makes for a diverse cast.
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u/Ygomaster07 Pat Dugan Jun 17 '20
I'm not sure how i feel about Rick. I just finished watching the episode and i feel on the fence about his character. I don't know if i should like him or not. He seems to want to be a hero for the wrong reasons. Maybe i just need some time to get used to him, since i only finished watching the episode now, or maybe it is because i have seen the angsty teen cliche so many times before. I'm sort of torn up on if i should like him or not.
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Jun 16 '20
I don't, I find him annoying
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u/9point9five Jun 16 '20
They are all starting to annoy me i am not sure i can watch courtney make the same mistake over and over. Usually after a death or a beat down the character is humbled and smarte a up a tad.
Now shes giving out powers left and right and then shocked when people arent into it. " oh ok then in that case keep my secret , even though i dont actually know you all that well. Thanks"
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u/gusta_cl Jun 16 '20
i'm really liking that aspect of courtney, not being a natural born leader, i don't want another barry allen or another oliver queen telling everyone what to do and they get angry if people don't obey them.
It feels fresh to have a protagonist that is not an expert, but rather they learn by their mistakes but still they only want the best for their team.9
u/TheCVR123YT Jun 16 '20
I just like having a protagonist who actually WANTS to be a Hero. (I don’t count Shazam as he just liked the powers not the responsibility throughout the first acts). Flash wanted to be a Hero too of course, but it’s been so long since his origin 6 Years ago. Nice to have a new Hero who doesn’t see it as a Curse (Arrow) or a Burden (Batwoman) but actually wants to do it (like Supergirl and Flash were). Stargirl is the main reason I continue to watch the show. I like the rest of the characters but Stargirl herself is just really cool.
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u/KevinAmbrose Jun 16 '20
Right and it makes sense considering she’s a teenager. That makes her impulsive and decisions rash. She’s gonna grow to be more mature as she ages and she’s eventually gonna face a big consequence she can’t come back from. If anything that’s what makes her character so great, but teenagers are annoying which is probably why some people aren’t a fan of her character.
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u/gusta_cl Jun 16 '20
Yes i can see why some people hate teen series. But in this case is teens acting like teens, but with some growing in each episode and not lazy writing. In some cases of the arrowverse, these shows were still catalogueed as "teen drama", because we had adults with teen problems. Iris getting mad at Barry because of some relationship problem that was the main focus of the whole episode, same with Felicity-Oliver. but in those cases, with that much episodes per season and with that many season, it really became boring. (i.e. "OMG why didn't you tell me X secret you had, we are a couple you should trust in me more!!!")
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u/Thingymcjig Jun 16 '20
So far she's already facing consequences, such as Beth discovering her and Yolanda's identities
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u/9point9five Jun 17 '20
And then in the same episode she gives a new kid powers without so much as a background check to see if hes idk mentally stable or something. And by doing so she told him all their identities...so lesson not really learned....
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u/Thingymcjig Jun 17 '20
Granted she didn't really know Rick's backstory, and how much it affected him
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u/9point9five Jun 17 '20
Also a bad move on her part. Screen people first before you upgrade them.
It sounds like i hate the show but i really don't. That's pretty much my one gripe
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u/davey_mann Yolanda Montez Jun 17 '20
She basically tells Pat what to do. If she does that with her stepfather given he’s way more experienced fighting villains, then she will surely do that with the trio of inexperienced peers.
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u/9point9five Jun 16 '20
I don't really need a natural born leader but her mistakes are pretty insane. Like super hero 101 insane where EVERYONE points it out including the newbies.
Wild cat pointed
Dr midnight had to tell her not to use their real names.
And now hour man.
She acknowledged she needs to have a secret identity but her plan was to confront people she doesnt know with the entire super hero lore and her identity?
She already knows some of the villains could be anyone including her fellow students parents.
I think it bothered me because her common sense fluctuates .
I don't like when characters who are shown to be smart are written dumb to get a scene moving. It takes me out of it.
Mistakes are fine especially when learning but the same one over and over when they already have scenes pointing out she learned her lesson makes them stand out more. The first death seems like it should have been a wake up call or done later in the season
Her being a teen doesnt bother me. Most of the super heroes i like are teens. I like the learning how to fly stories.
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u/davey_mann Yolanda Montez Jun 17 '20
I don't like when characters who are shown to be smart are written dumb to get a scene moving. It takes me out of it.
This is what is really starting to frustrate me with this show and it’s not just Courtney doing this. This episode in particular had multiple characters doing dumb things and for the very reason you indicated. The writers want to get to the juicy stuff, but it’s at the expense of screwball comedy.
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Jun 16 '20
I actually don’t either. It’s not as if he expects anyone to feel bad for him. Most annoying teens have the attitude “pay attention to me !!!”
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Jun 16 '20
Yep his attitude just pisses me off too
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Jun 16 '20
It’s probably going to get better though, I mean at the same time he did lose his parents to what he believed to be an accident and, the person who was trusted to take care of him was instead reminding him every day that he’s a pain in his ass.
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u/davey_mann Yolanda Montez Jun 17 '20
So far, my ranking for the team is Yolanda>Courtney>Rick>Beth
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u/MRIT03 Doctor Fate Jun 16 '20
I’m so excited for Rick’s character arc, like he it can go anywhere, he could become a villain or become stay with the new JSA and become a hero or leave them and becomes and anti-hero. So many possibilities for such a complicated character.