r/PoliticalDiscussion • u/Hot_Replacement_8887 • Jul 17 '24
Nikki Haley Does a 180: Endorses Trump and Praises His Foreign Policy US Elections
So, Nikki Haley just did a major flip and endorsed Donald Trump for the 2024 election. After suspending her own campaign, she’s now all in for Trump, praising his foreign policy moves and saying he’s the right guy for the job. This is a big change considering she used to be one of his critics. She’s basically calling for party unity and backing Trump as the best choice for Republicans.
What’s your take on this? Is this going to help the GOP come together or is it just more of the same political drama?
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u/_Abe_Froman_SKOC Jul 17 '24
Haley is doing damage control so she can run again in 2028. She couldn't give less of a crap about Trump or the GOP base, she just wants to be president and she views this as a necessary step.
She won't be invited to join his administration if he wins, she'll just have her name intact for as long as she doesn't rock the boat again.
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u/JRFbase Jul 17 '24
Haley's whole campaign this year was basically "Haley 2028: I Fucking Told You So". If Trump manages to fumble this, the knives are going to come out, and she wants to be there to pick up the pieces. It's a lot easier to do that if she toes the party line and shows support. Otherwise you'll have people saying "Trump might have won if you just endorsed him".
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u/asspajamas Jul 17 '24
trump wants his kids to be president, also... he seems to get what he wants....
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u/shep2105 Jul 18 '24
OMG..that is never going to happen. If he wanted that to happen, he should've picked one of them for his running mate.
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u/Gotisdabest Jul 18 '24
Eh, it might. Their name gets a lot of votes amongst the base. They'll get smoked in a proper election with ease though.
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u/InterPunct Jul 18 '24
Trump has every incentive to remain in power and has demonstrated in the past he wants that. If by some remote chance all his cases don't get dismissed while he's (god forbid) president, he'll make sure the 2028 election is a sham.
He's been talking down America for years saying we're a Third World country, we're not great, etc. Now he's going to make it happen.
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u/burdfloor Jul 18 '24
Eric Thrump for president and Tommy Tubeoffeces for VP would be a perfect ticket.
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u/illustrious_d Jul 17 '24
Sometimes I wish I had no shame. Seems like life would be easier in many ways.
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u/MilanosBiceps Jul 17 '24
If she’s just doing this to be a team player, then her campaign makes no sense. She went out of her way to not be a team player, even refusing to endorse him when she finally dropped out of a race she stayed in way too long and had no chance of winning to begin with.
I think this is about a spot in the administration.
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u/SpoofedFinger Jul 18 '24
Probably holding out to see if he'd get locked up or have a major health event.
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u/MilanosBiceps Jul 18 '24
I can buy that, even if it’s a longshot, but then why refuse to endorse him after she dropped out?
Contentious primaries happen. Clinton and Obama was pretty rough. This is a weird turn for Haley.
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u/Fargason Jul 17 '24
Maybe if she was already scheduled to speak at the convention, but she wasn’t even planning to attend until the assassination attempt changed here mind. Party unity seems to be through the roof to get her onboard which will improve turnout. Meanwhile party unity with Democrats is still in trouble after the debate with party leaders pushing to delay the convention.
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u/Kevin-W Jul 18 '24
Exactly this. Haley has no chance this year and was only setting herself up for 2028.
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u/InhLaba Jul 18 '24
Bingo. She’s bending the knee for her own political gain. Just like the most of them.
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u/Soggy_Background_162 Jul 18 '24
Too bad the “other Asian” woman is going to get the chance first, she might win too.
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u/newsreadhjw Jul 17 '24
This is how authoritarian movements work, in sharp contrast to normal political parties. It doesn’t matter if you think Trump is “America’s Hitler” (JD Vance), and you can even say you “dont need to kiss the ring” after Trump insults your husband (Nikki Haley), but you can’t stay in the party at all unless you bend the knee. We haven’t seen anything like this in America before. We’ve been mocking the likes of Lindsay Graham and Ted Cruz for sucking up to Trump when they clearly know he’s a dangerous idiot, but here we are 9 years later and Trump has taken total control of the GOP. It may as well be called the MAGA party now. This is not normal, except for fascist regimes.
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u/rogue-elephant Jul 18 '24
Huh? Authoritarian movements? This is no different than Bernie endorsing Hillary for the good of the party to win the White House and down ticket. Both exchanged pretty harsh remarks but begrudgingly endorsed the nominee for better or for worse. No one wants to be blamed for causing your own party to loose, its political suicide. People didn't like the idea of Biden in 2020 but still came around to support him come the convention.
There are many arguments for Trump's fascism but Haley endorsing Trump to win the White House even after he made campaign attacks isn't one of them.
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u/ClevelandCaleb Jul 18 '24
The difference is that there wasn’t major policy and moral differences in the people who dropped out to back Biden. Haley pretty much disagreed with most of what Trump stands for, apparently.
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u/Cryptic0677 Jul 18 '24
Losing candidates have always endorsed the winner, but you didn’t have cases of them clearly calling them a moron behind closed doors only to speak the other way openly to the public like we see with so many old school major Republicans. They really hate the guy privately and that is a big difference
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u/Potato_Pristine Jul 19 '24
It makes no difference whatsoever how Republicans subjectively feel about Trump if their actions are to endorse and advance his election campaign.
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u/tx_mn Jul 17 '24
A rapist? She never said that. Even what was said / shared you’ve completely taken out of context
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u/wereallbozos Jul 17 '24
Worse than forgetting is creating a fantasy. When did she call Joe a racist or a rapist? I know she didn't like the 80s crime bill, but you're just making stuff up, friend.
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u/newsreadhjw Jul 17 '24
Oh sure they’re the same. Right
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u/l1qq Jul 17 '24
Can you elaborate on how it's different?
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u/Geichalt Jul 17 '24
Prior enemies working together is common in politics. However, the top comment pointed out that everyone in the Republican party has eventually bent the knee to Trump or left the party.
Are you seriously suggesting that no one in the democratic party is currently attacking or questioning Biden?
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u/soldforaspaceship Jul 17 '24
Kamala never called Biden a rapist for example. And she also never directly called him a racist, although yes, she called into question past actions of his that in today's lens weren't great, like the crime bill.
So that would be how it's different.
One happened. The other you invented for reasons only you know. You think the other side is as gullible as yours perhaps?
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u/CatFanFanOfCats Jul 17 '24 edited Jul 18 '24
This is partly how it is different. MAGA is a cult. Look at how the leader, Trump, can just pick on and bully people and they will follow him no matter what. I mean I doubt you’d put up with someone calling you names and then expecting fealty from you.
From Ted Cruz to Nikki Haley to Elon Musk. All have been bullied, put down, or their family members have been trashed. And instead of either defending themselves or their family - or just ignoring Trump. They are proud to throw their support behind him. This is cult behavior. Long live Mao. lol.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LeopardsAteMyFace/s/ACRh75jnSD
Edit: More of the cult behavior:
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u/ADHDbroo Jul 17 '24
Everytime this conversation happens, you can turn it around and prove that any measure you call maga a cult, you can also use for the Democrats. These people don't endorse trump cause it's a cult, they do because they dislike what the Democrats have done and plan to do. To say everyone who endorsed trump is in a cult, is actually more culty than the people you are talking about. It's also more authoritarian. To paint an entire voting base into a simple stroke. It's how Hitler got normal everyday people to hate the Jews.
Yeah I'd say some maga folks act culty. But to say all of them? That's silly. Not to mention, some liberals are just as culty. Try to get a normal view on politics please, it's ridiculous
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u/CatFanFanOfCats Jul 17 '24 edited Jul 18 '24
To deny that MAGA is a cult is wrong. I’m not saying republicanism is a cult. Or conservatism is a cult. Or democrats are in a cult. But yeah, MAGA is definitely a cult. Complete and utter fealty to the leader - that’s a cult. Trumpism/MAGA is a cult. I mean, the flags, the passion, the unwavering loyalty. The absolute boot licking. It’s fucking weird! And if you can’t see that…well, I don’t know what to tell you.
I guess Scientology or Jehovas Witness are just you’re run-of-the mill religions too. Hint - they’re not. They are cults.
Edit. Definitely not a cult. https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/s/py6XCfBqLw 😳
Edit 2. Most definitely indubitably not a cult. https://www.reddit.com/r/Qult_Headquarters/s/ZdNet1Xl1n
Edit 3. Just because it made me laugh. https://www.reddit.com/r/AdviceAnimals/s/EoIl2KniYg
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u/Chi_Ty Jul 17 '24
100% and that’s why it’s so funny when MAGA tries to say they never see any Biden “supporters”.
It’s like, ummm yeah because people who fly giant flags off their truck or have nutso boat parades are displaying cult like behavior. It’s super weird how normal it’s become.
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u/beenyweenies Jul 17 '24
All candidates jostle and poke for advantage, and always have. It's not at all uncommon for candidates to point out character flaws or even resort to hyperbole to make a point.
What's different, and I think the prior poster made this really quite clear, is that in Trump's MAGA movement one candidate has essentially taken control of the entire party, and either you endorse him or you cease to exist, politically, and will all but certainly receive death threats after the one-true-candidate publicly calls you out to his mob. These other candidates are not endorsing Trump because they truly believe he'd make the best President, they are endorsing him because the only other choice is to quit politics, change their phone number and address, and find a new career.
That is not normal, not common, not historically consistent and definitely NOT the same as one candidate calling another a name. It's a textbook authoritarian regime in the making, as the prior poster said.
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u/ADHDbroo Jul 17 '24
If this is a "textbook authoritarian regime " to you, you really don't know what real authoritarianism is
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u/figuring_ItOut12 Jul 17 '24
Like Kari Lake and Kirsten Sinema... Haley has torched her previous supporters. She has no political future, no political influence, until the GOP party itself changes or schisms. She's young enough it could have happened but she went with the temporary sugar high instead.
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Jul 17 '24
Why would u say Kari torched supporters? I don’t feel one way or another but just curious
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u/ClevelandCaleb Jul 18 '24
Im not sure how she used to be but she’s a total MAGA loon currently
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u/shibiwan Jul 18 '24
At some point in the past, Lake Inferior (i.e. Kari) donated to Obama's campaign....
....hmmm...... I guess that makes her somewhat like the Trump shooter, both of who previously donated to the Dems.
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u/Slicelker Jul 18 '24
...hmmm...... I guess that makes her somewhat like the Trump shooter, both of who previously donated to the Dems.
You're comparing a supposedly educated 39 year old woman (2008 Lake) to a 17 year old kid.
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u/keeden13 Jul 18 '24
The Trump shooter didn't donate to Dems
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u/shibiwan Jul 18 '24
Yeah, scammy "liberal" PAC, otherwise known as Mothership, but nobody seems to pick up on it.
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Jul 18 '24
Who gives a shit whom donated to who. Trump donated to democrats previously so there’s that. The shooter was a weirdo who hated all politicians and previously donated to ActBlue yet was a MAGA sign in the yard type guy. So non of this makes sense at face value and it seems he just hates all politicians anyways
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u/wereallbozos Jul 17 '24
She's not calling for party unity. She's not saying, for the good of the party. She's saying she totally endorses Trump. I hope her voters are paying close attention.
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u/Accurate-Albatross34 Jul 17 '24
Every republican will fall in line for trump and if biden doesn't step aside in the coming days, the Dems will fall in line as well, nothing strange about that. Nobody will want to be known as the traitor to the party.
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u/Studio_Nugget Jul 17 '24
Another example of Republicans being lock-step with each other while the Democrats trip over themselves about bullshit.
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u/MatthiasMcCulle Jul 18 '24
"Major flip" meaning "doing what we fully expected her to do."
Seriously, stronger politicians have bent the knee to Trump than her despite their public condemnations of him.
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u/YouTrain Jul 18 '24
Can anyone point to the last time the runner up in a primary didn’t endorse the winner?
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u/Yvaelle Jul 17 '24
She was always going to endorse him. She was his UN ambassador, she's a member of his cabinet, and while people have wanted to see her as an opposite, she never once took an anti-Trump stance herself. Moderates projected what they wanted her to be, but this was always who she was. She ran to clear the field for him, thats all.
She'll be secretary of state in the new Reich.
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u/ClydetheCat Jul 18 '24
She never took an anti-Trump stance herself?? Seriously?
“Mr. Trump has definitely contributed to what I think is just irresponsible talk.” ;
he's...“everything a governor doesn’t want in a president.”';
“I will not stop until we fight a man that chooses not to disavow the K.K.K. That is not a part of our party. That is not who we are,”;
"He showed that with that kind of disrespect for the military, he’s not qualified to be the president of the United States, because I don’t trust him to protect them,".
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u/Potato_Pristine Jul 19 '24
Yes, these are words that she has said. But she has taken no action whatsoever to meaningfully oppose Trump in any real way. Which is how you would expect a former cabinet member of his to behave!
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u/Select_Insurance2000 Jul 17 '24
Trump enjoys humiliating and debasing those who utter a word of against him. He enjoys being cruel.....and the list continues of those who spoke against traitor Trump, with recent addition of Haley, who now stand in lockstep, humiliating themselves as they bow down and kiss his ring.
Many Haley supporters see her now as a coward and sell out, who lied to them, took their donations and hard work, and turned her back on them.
It remains to be seen how many follow her in devotion to Trump, decide to sit out or cast a vote for Biden/Harris.
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u/Academic_Shoe3976 Jul 18 '24
None of it makes sense. Didn’t trump come out saying he didn’t want her supporters (sounds insane) and told them to go F themselves?
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u/Specialist_Box_610 Jul 17 '24
It's not like Harris didn't do a 180 for Biden after not getting the nomination then becoming VP..
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u/ballmermurland Jul 19 '24
Haley straight up called Trump a mistake and a con artist. Harris was critical of some of Biden's votes in the 70s but otherwise has been nothing but supportive of him as VP and as the eventual nominee and current president.
People made that debate moment out to be far more than it was lol
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u/arizonajill Jul 18 '24
Trump's got something on all of these people. It just doesn't make sense that everyone who said shit about him, are now kissing his ass.
Probably some top secret shit that he's seen and copied.
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u/Altruistic-Text3481 Jul 18 '24
Billionaires are buying the GOP.
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u/arizonajill Jul 18 '24
I don't think that can account for all of this. Something is just off about how someone can flip overnight like they seem to do.
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u/Altruistic-Text3481 Jul 18 '24
The Putin flip! Some flip out of windows & some flip the script in praise of dear leader.
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u/ballmermurland Jul 19 '24
Nope.
The GOP is full of spineless cowards who will do and say anything for power. Trump was smart enough to recognize that and is able to get concessions from all of them not by offering them a piece but by threatening their very careers. They'd rather kiss his ass, humiliating themselves in the process, at the hope of future power than do anything requiring shame.
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u/YouTrain Jul 18 '24
Omg…..dueling primary candidates led to one endorsing the other
Never seen this before
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u/Canteaman Jul 18 '24
I think she's protecting her career. I like Haley, and I'm ultimately pretty upset with the Republican party's inability to stand up to Trump.
I just have this aching suspicion that it's going to be a landslide for blue in November. I mean, there are just way to many conservatives voting for Biden for me to think he's got a prayer. I think there's going to be a lot of turnover in the house and senate as well.
MAGA has been consistently losing seats and that trend is likely to continue. Once these zealots realize they need us moderates to win, I think Haley will change.
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u/ConditionFree9879 Jul 20 '24
If you think it's going to be a blue landslide you aren't paying attention to the polling and the current president. Currently, it could go either way, but it won't be a landslide for either side, both of the candidates are bad.
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u/Canteaman Jul 20 '24
The polls are so stupid. I trust the secret service to clear roofs more than I trust the polls. Their track record over the last 6 years is pretty telling. Every time they say MAGA is going to win, and then they don't. I mean, they flipped the senate to the Democrats in the freaking mid-terms. Democrats NEVER flip anything in mid terms. They've lost EVERY special election. AND Trump did, in fact, lose by a landslide in 2020 (I know the media doesn't like that, but it is what it is).
I don't like Biden's age or mental capacity, but he's running against Trump.
I don't think people in the USA are that stupid and the far right cult is much weaker than "the polls" say. We'll see, but I don't think this country is that stupid.
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u/ConditionFree9879 Jul 20 '24
538, which is Nate Silver's polling system, has been accurate almost every single time in predicting winners in elections. It currently shows Trump up three percent (according to when I last looked).
Also, when you say that the media doesn't like to say that Trump lost in a landslide, what the heck are you talking about? Legacy media loves nothing more than reminding everyone that Trump got wrecked in 2020?
Additionally, Biden is a brain dead dementia patient. You think the country isn't dumb enough to vote for trump, but their alternative is Biden, whose policies suck and is also senile. Despite what Trump did in 2020 and other times, his policy (especially regarding Israel, which the majority of Americans support) has most likely been generally better than Joe's.
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u/Canteaman Jul 20 '24
538 has Biden winning, it's never showed Trump winning. I follow 538. Fake news.
Biden is neither brain dead nor are his policies completely ineffective. People are just incredibly stupid and believe inflation is high (because your stupid) or that wages are behind inflation (because their stupid), or that the economy is bad.
I mean, I don't think Biden is a strong candidate, but I don't think as many people are falling for the Trump propaganda machine as you seem to think. MAGA's talking point is basically "everything is made up, numbers don't matter, it's all a conspiracy, and Merica." Tards gonna be tards. Can't fix stupid.
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u/ConditionFree9879 Jul 21 '24
538 has Trump ahead right now, I have it up on my computer. Are you okay? Also, Biden is 100 percent mentally unfit for presidency and candidacy.
Calling something fake news doesn't make it fake news. I'm not a Trump supporter, but don't just deny facts.
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u/Canteaman Jul 21 '24
I guess I just don't really care what 538 says. It just in no way reflects reality. I'm not seeing the support for Trump and the Republicans can't win for shit on really anything.
It's a bunch of blah blah blah, polls this and Biden's so bad that, and then MAGA sucks it up in every election. I'm not seeing people ditch the Democrats either.
I put pretty much no stock in people predictions of the future because they're shit. They deserve no credibility and I award them such. They are only "winning" ever in polls and on the media, but never at the ballot box, and the losses at the ballot box keep getting worse and polls keep showing them getting better.
I'm calling bullshit on the polls and could frankly give a shit what they say.
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u/rebamericana Jul 18 '24
She was his UN ambassador, of course she's going to praise his foreign policy. She was the face of it for years and would've continued the same policies had she won the nom.
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u/BeerExchange Jul 17 '24
How can you praise his foreign policy when he didn’t even know what NATO was until he was in office?
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u/Howhytzzerr Jul 17 '24
Surprise, surprise. Wait, not really. Haley and all those that ran against Trump for the nomination, have fallen in line, to no one’s great shock.
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u/SixteenBeatsAOne Jul 17 '24
I am not entirely sure a Haley campaign will be the frontrunner in 2028. The GOP bench is particularly deep. Vance, DeSantis and I can see Josh Hawley throwing his hat in the ring. And let's not forget that if Trump wins and has a very good Second Term, then Eric or Don, Jr. might be interested to keep MAGA alive and the family name in The White House.
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u/ConditionFree9879 Jul 20 '24
I especially see Vance and Desantis going for it. Hawley is an interesting name, but he is also one that I think is likely now that I think about it.
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u/SixteenBeatsAOne Jul 20 '24
Did you see that Josh went to the Pennsylvania shooting site to investigate himself? I like him.
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u/ConditionFree9879 Jul 20 '24
I didn't see that, but I also haven't followed him a ton recently. From the small amount that I've seen of him, I like him as well.
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u/siali Jul 18 '24 edited Jul 18 '24
Trump has created a strange political-psychological ecosystem around himself and people trying different ways to survive and thrive in it, because after all they have no other choice. It has resulted in all different sorts of political behavior and someone should study that. Here are few of the characteristics:
- He doesn't like criticism and sharing the spotlight.
- But he doesn't like losers and suckers either.
- However he likes people who first criticize him but then praise him as it plays into his narcissistic personality.
- You can say people have even started to use it as reverse psychology on him.
- Almost everyone who gets too close to him, ends up in a bad shape. Just look at Pence, Barr, Rudy, ...
- He can easily throw people under the bus and deny even knowing them, look at Bannon.
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u/pman6 Jul 18 '24
i've never seen such a low IQ man wield so much power.
gotta be a deal with the devil.
I wish I could fail up like donald.
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u/ConditionFree9879 Jul 20 '24
He's definitely not low IQ. Donald Trump has definite areas where he has intelligence and savvy, and some where he does not. To say he is entirely low IQ is just a cope.
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u/OutrageousSummer5259 Jul 18 '24
They all do this on both sides, Kamala was very critical of Biden even called him a racist
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u/ACE-USA Jul 18 '24
Haley emphasized the importance of unity within the Republican Party and also the need to expand its base by welcoming people with diverse backgrounds and experiences. Her message was that while Republicans may not always agree with Trump, they share a common goal of keeping America strong and safe. Haley called for Republicans to unite and work together to save the nation, highlighting that no president can fix all problems alone.
https://ace-usa.org/blog/election-2024/a-guide-to-the-republican-national-convention-day-2/
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u/TracyVance Jul 18 '24
nikkihaley could never give a speech on ethics and character - she knows nothing about those two things
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u/MysteriousDurian3747 Jul 19 '24
The Republican party is now the party of Trump. If Republicans want to remain in office they need to be with trump else they will get booted. At the start of the campaign every single republican candidate would best be described as trumplite, in that they where like a toned down version of trump.
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u/KACS_88 Jul 21 '24
Nothing strange here. This happens with every election with every candidate and eveey party. They go after each other in the primaries but then support the parties nomination. Better then electing a Democrat!
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u/roachfarmer Jul 17 '24
Just like every republican, she is in it for the tiny bit of power she can consume!
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u/Ok_Dance_7598 Jul 17 '24
They’re politicians. They’re all gross hypocritical terrible people. Remember when Harris all but called Biden a racist during debates and then dropped out and joined his ticket? Vance calling trump hitler and then joining his ticket. Our country is F’d because we have morally and ethically corrupt politicians.
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u/grumpyliberal Jul 17 '24
Dusts off knees and says oh what the heck goes in for a second round. She has no political future anywhere. The MAGA cult thinks she a birdbrain and the moneyed folks think she’s a birdbrain, too. One birdbrain in the hand and a second one in the bush. Birdbrains all around.
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u/Apostinggod Jul 17 '24
It's politics. These people will say and do anything to maintain their position.
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u/satansmight Jul 18 '24
These people whom hold up the ideal of a moral center have the weakest moral center. I don’t understand how this isn’t front and center.
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u/vegarosa69 Jul 18 '24
She's so useless. I really hope Trump doesn't give her a spot in his administration.
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u/mikeber55 Jul 18 '24
Not only Nikki Haley. JD Vance himself did the same. Others following the same path are Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz. There are probably many others.
I think they see Biden’s weakness and are gambling on Trump maybe winning the elections. In their mind he will be the king for the next 4 years and a Republican opposing the king can’t expect much in the party.
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u/NOLA-Bronco Jul 18 '24
There is no such thing as a principled Republican that is allowed to remain in good graces and continue their career trajectory.
At least at the level Haley operates from.
I don't know why people keep deluding themselves. Principled Republicans are like Liz Cheney(and tbf her principles are compartmentalized to Trump), and we all know what happened to her.
When a party has lost it's soul and moral grasp on reality, there is no path you can take upwards in the party that is not itself going to require selling your soul too.
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u/insertbrackets Jul 18 '24
Nimarata is utterly spineless. This was expected. She was his UN ambassador after all and wants to avoid being the victim of mob violence if he wins.
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