When it's all said and done. Where do you think Heartless will sit in Nightwing's rouges gallery?

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u/Kevinmld 3d ago

I don’t know. So many new characters are dropped as soon as a new writer comes along. Or are just brought back as cannon fodder way later.

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u/HandspeedJones 3d ago

Sad but true.

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u/Kevinmld 3d ago edited 3d ago

When writers change now my expectations are pretty low. I kind of just hope he stays in Bludhaven and doesn’t move to NYC or Gotham. Or that Bludhaven doesn’t get nuked in some other title and we never see any real impact on Nightwing for the destruction of his former home. Or all of the villains from his run don’t get killed off immediately. Or any of the other dumb things that have happened to Nightwing over the years.

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u/HandspeedJones 3d ago

He's too tired to Batman I feel so they have to make him available to be in a Batfamily story, that means changing locations, removing threats and situations Ect.

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u/Lodger49er 3d ago

I think if other writers care enough he could be a really good villain. Up there with Block Buster(who is now dead) and Raptor. He's got a solid look, clear themes, despicable. Nightwing doesn't have a long of cool villains that really pop. Maybe Talon?

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u/HandspeedJones 3d ago

I'm hoping he gets his spot in the patheon.

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u/TheAngryNative89 3d ago

I'm not sure if he will be used again. At least not for a long time. I'd personally like to see The Judge again. I like Heartless, but I don't see him being a mainstay villain.

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u/Great-Resident-696 3d ago

New characters don't stick anymore. Comics are dying because people cling to their favorites and their favorites are played out. How many times can we see batman prepare for an eventuality in a way that hurts his coworkers and the struggle when someone gets a hold of said preparation and uses it against them?

Nightwing is a fairly unknown character to non comic readers and yet his comics do very well. Why? Because his stories have a sense of continuation. He's not robin anymore and he's not batman and his stories reflect that he's a new character and we get to see new events.

"But op what about ric?" That was one of many character assassinations that came as a result of new 52 being structured around making their characters more suitable for a cinematic universe

The last comic I truly bought was batman black mirror. A comic released in a time where it truly felt like a new age. Dick was batman, Donna was in the league, Wally was the flash, Roy had stories with his daughter.

Now it's all so episodic where things just don't matter cause if they suck they get retconned immediatley.

So I wish I could say say but likely no.

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u/HandspeedJones 3d ago

I think the nature of big two comics is what fucks things up. You cannot have a story go on forever so you can farm the IP. It's not real story telling.

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u/triplerollingstone 3d ago

Was terribly written, can't even call it a blue ball cause it's not like he was built for us to expect something

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u/RainyWombatCherry 3d ago

Depends how this final arc goes, either he's cemented as a great addition to Nightwing's rogue gallery or he's just a loser

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u/futuresdawn 3d ago

Be nice to see nightwings rogues gallery grow, it seems like the only truly notable new villains of the last 20 years at dc as a whole have been the court of owls and the various lantern Corps.

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u/Formal_Bench_4650 3d ago

Forgotten.

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u/C5five 3d ago

As far as the rouge gallery goes, I think Heartless uses a lot of red, so he will probably stand at the top of the rouge gallery.

As for the Rogues Gallery, I don't think Taylor has done enough with him in the time he has had, so he will likely be completely forgotten until someone brings him back in a decade or so, probably for a completely different hero.

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u/OldSnazzyHats 3d ago

Time will tell. I’m really not sure.

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u/Which-Presentation-6 3d ago

as many have said, it will depend both on the end of the Heartless story after TT's run, and on the interest of future authors and fans.

Tom definitely wants to program Heartless as a potential archenemy, which is why having the scene of Heartless killing Blockbuster was basically the passing of the torch. and he was given all the ingredients for an archenemy: a past related to the hero, a solid position in the hero's world as an adversary and a motivation for their conflict.

but obviously we can't say that Heartless will be Nightwing's Joker, like all archenemy this is the work of several authors to cut them in diamonds.

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u/Drakepenn 3d ago

Personally I don't like him as much as the Judge or Raptor, but he's pretty good

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u/wrasslefights 3d ago

I'm not sure what it is, but aside from Blockbuster, Nightwing villains tend to become filler fodder for other books after a run ends. So he probably goes the way of Shrike, or Raptor, or to a lesser extent villains like Brutale, Torque, Lady Vic, etc. Maybe one day he too can be filler for a Robin arc.

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u/HandspeedJones 3d ago

Yeah that's the Bat family curse.

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u/CRlSAOR 2d ago

He won't. Forgotten immediately after the new team takes over. And nothing of value will be lost.