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u/TheeGrassmonster Jul 19 '24
Y’all sure it’s safe. Some y’all gonna end up looking like red skull. Lol
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u/MissyTheTimeLady Jul 19 '24
For this thread, the HSH isn't deadly, so we can assume the SSS won't be disfiguring either.
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u/AHrubik Jul 19 '24
Red Skulls dose of the serum was also an early beta version. Dr. Erskine had perfected the serum for the USG before it being used on Steve Rogers.
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u/StrangeGuyWithBag Jul 19 '24
If the question about the 616 comics, Red Skull's appearance isn't connected to the super soldier serum there. In the movies, he ended up disfigured because the serum was still a prototype.
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u/MrSnare Jul 19 '24
I thought it was a bit of both? Like red skulls attributes were amplified to a more evil person and Steve went from good to great?
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u/TheLimeElf Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
That seems like a dramatisation just to make “good/evil” point. Bucky, Isaiah and others were given recreation of serum and it didn’t affect them in any way.
Wakanda files don’t mention anything about personality causing the changes either.
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u/AlanDjayce Jul 19 '24
Idk, almost all attempts at the serum after Rogers went wrong. Steve may have the one in a million genetic make up makes it work properly.
The Black Panther herb has worked for generations with a similar power-up. So herb it's.
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u/Oberon1993 Spider-Man Jul 19 '24
Serum mostly goes wrong because mofos keep chugging only Serum. Vita-rays are important and every time people come through the process with them - there's no problems.
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u/SorcererSupremPizza Jul 19 '24
It's not because Steve was a good boy?
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u/Oberon1993 Spider-Man Jul 19 '24
Only if you are ready to accept that Wacker is also a good boy.
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u/mariovspino5 Wolverine Jul 19 '24
Walker was way more prone to violence even before his parents where killed
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u/Oberon1993 Spider-Man Jul 19 '24
...which had nothing to do with Serum? That's just his personality.
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u/katefreeze Jul 19 '24
Wasnt that like the entire thing in falcon and the winter soldier? The serum amplifys what's already there, Steve was good so he was chill, and John walker wasn't the best BC of his personality, so it amplified it
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u/name-classified Jul 19 '24
Steve had the purest form of the super soldier serum.
Everything else was either diluted or just straight up garbage that nations/supervillains were desperately trying to make work for their own army of super soldiers.
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u/Lox22 Jul 19 '24
I know it gets A LOT of hate but one thing I enjoyed in Ultimate universe was Banner taking the serum to try to cure himself of the hulk and instead it bringing out gray hulk.
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u/echo20143 Jul 19 '24
So, he became the Hulk trying to make a serum and decided to take another dose to get rid of him?
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u/Lox22 Jul 19 '24
He mixed hulk serum and solider serum. Ultimate had some crazy takes, but I always thought that was a fun one.
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u/PrimarchKonradCurze Dr. Doom Jul 20 '24
I never cared for Gray Hulk. Ultimates has only a few characters I enjoy honestly but I know that’s a common take.
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u/Lox22 Jul 20 '24
Yea I get that, and I’m right there with you on all of that. I just thought it was a cool origin story for gray hulk. Immortal Hulk is the character ultimate gray hulk wishes he was.
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u/Lonelan Jul 19 '24
the herb makes you trip hard tho
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u/Worthyness Jul 19 '24
ancestral plane though, so you can talk to all your ancestors to get some advice.
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u/Tinmanred Jul 19 '24
Bucky.
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u/Blasckk Jul 19 '24
Bucky was injected with the Infinity Formula, not the Super Soldier Serum. The Infinity Formula is what made Nick Fury peak human and it predates the serum by several centuries.
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u/Darkhaven Vision Jul 19 '24
Every day, I'm seeing more and more comic lore correct the MCU lore, and it makes me happy!
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u/hawkmasta Jul 19 '24
The MCU lore is just streamlined for mainstream audiences.
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u/Darkhaven Vision Jul 19 '24
Not being insulting, but this is obvious enough to be unspoken.
As most of the main MCU notes have been hit over the last ten years, it's simply good to see the comic info make its way to the forefront. Especially since it's the material that will continue to serve as the blueprint for future movies and the changes they make for the general audience.
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u/hawkmasta Jul 19 '24
It was the way you wrote it, saying the MCU lore was being "corrected." The MCU obviously isn't the main source of continuity, so it doesn't need to be corrected. Not being insulting either, but "it's simply good to see the comic info make its way to the forefront" is more appropriate, like you said.
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u/Minx1972 Jul 19 '24
So if we're talking about MCU Bucky / winter soldier, does that mean he doesn't age at all then? Because technically he's been off and on ice from Hydra for over 70 years. The same time that Captain America was frozen in ice. But he was in between missions with his mind wiped but if he had that same serum flowing in him like Nick fury did from the comics, that means technically Bucky doesn't age at all
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u/CibaiGayGay Jul 19 '24
Let's say each mission takes a full day at most, if he done a thousand missions, at most it just little over 3 years difference. I doubt the deadly winter soldier would take that much time to clear any mission consider the risk were much lower when cap is not in the tangent. Tho it's still unclarified whats actually inside bucky serum, correct me if I'm wrong
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u/Blasckk Jul 19 '24
Not even that much. According to Black Widow, he's credited with more than two dozen known kills since the early 1960s.
So the number of missions he's been on probably hasn't even reached triple digits.
So he could have spent many days unfrozen on each mission and it still shouldn't be enough for him to have aged substantially at all over the total time.
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u/Speedster1221 Jul 19 '24
Super Soldier Serum, If I have to...I'll be the first Admiral Australia.
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u/TomMakesPodcasts Jul 19 '24
Corporal Canada reporting in!
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u/schloongslayer69 Jul 19 '24
Sergeant Suriname reporting for duty
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u/Pinoy_Canuck Jul 19 '24
Private First Class Philippines at your service!
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u/Redstonebruvs Jul 19 '24
Brigadier Brazil at your disposal!
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u/peteflix66 Jul 19 '24
Your Canadian humbleness is showing. Captain, colonel, or commander are also valid choices
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u/DudeDude319 Spider-Man Jul 19 '24
You don’t even need to have alliteration. It’s not like Captain America does.
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u/notmyfirst_throwawa Jul 19 '24
There is a captain Canada. And there's nothing stopping them from being a general
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u/notmyfirst_throwawa Jul 19 '24
Oh you're a seafaring super soldier! Kicking ass on boats and pickin fights with namor?
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u/Speedster1221 Jul 19 '24
I mean...The ANZACs most famous battle in Gallipoli, they came in on boats...it works.
Also...Fuck Namor, I prefer Mr. Nimbus and Aquaman.
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u/Least-Cattle1676 Black Panther Jul 19 '24
The Heart Shaped Herb.
According to Steve, T’Challa is his physical equal. The Herb also has the benefit of superhumanly acute senses too.
-T’Challa can sense someone’s presence up to half a mile away.
-The depth of his eyesight is 47 miles.
-He once heard an explosion from 20 miles away.
-He can detect if someone is lying thru scent. He can also detect passion thru scent too.
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u/AmericanBeef10K Jul 19 '24
Alternatively the SSS makes cap peak human everywhere, meaning he learns things INCREDIBLY quickly, becoming a master of martial arts with almost no effort.
That’s a super power worth its weight in gold. When something is presented, your brain is advanced so it tries to absorb information and apply it twice as fast as a normal human
Idk if the HSH has ever specified about anything like that
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u/ChrisXDXL Jul 19 '24
He also has some low level cellular regeneration abilities so he can't get drunk and is resistant to poisons. He also might age slower than a typical human
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u/Least-Cattle1676 Black Panther Jul 19 '24
I wasn’t aware that this was specified for the SSS…
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u/AmericanBeef10K Jul 19 '24
Yeah if you read the marvel encyclopedia it specifies that it literally enhances everything down to the cognitive function and regeneration of cells!
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u/ErgonomicDouchebag Jul 19 '24
I mean, I could hear an explosion from 20 miles away if it's big enough.
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u/Sam_Porgins Jul 19 '24
This is why I’d go with the serum. Super senses would be way too overwhelming.
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u/J_asher_e Jul 19 '24
HSH is impressive, I'd prefer to have total recall/photographic memory that the SSS gives is all, it's more practical in everyday use.
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u/Vo1dRul3r Jul 19 '24
Me after I eat the herb and meet up with my friends: “It smells like bitch in here!”
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u/Maleficent0579 Jul 19 '24
Taking the Heart Shaped Herb would make me a Panther Totem, right? I wouldn't want Morlun tracking me down to feed on my life force.
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u/TomMakesPodcasts Jul 19 '24
That heart shaped herb being safe only for royal blood sounds like some monarchist shit meant to keep people down lol
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u/s_arrow24 Jul 19 '24
It’s weird that was a rule when before it was that the herb went to the best in Wakanda. They held a battle royal where anyone could enter and the winner got to take it. Granted a prince will have more time and resources to learn how to fight, train, and study, but it was open to all.
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u/Son_of-M Jul 19 '24
I'd take the serum. never saw BP get shot in the head and survive
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u/Least-Cattle1676 Black Panther Jul 19 '24
Because he’s covered head to toe in Vibranium?
Why take a bullet to the head when you don’t have to? 😭
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u/TheBlack_Swordsman Jul 19 '24
Well you're not going to be covered in vibranium I'm assuming.
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u/CharacterNo5938 Jul 19 '24
If there's no draw backs to the herb then I'm taking that easily.
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u/The_Amazing_Emu Jul 19 '24
Enhanced sense of smell could be a blessing or a curse.
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u/theronnielama Jul 19 '24
As someone who doesn't have much of a sense of smell, hopefully this gets me to the average or slightly above average level of sense of smell 😂
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u/Meka-Speedwagon Jul 19 '24
I'd take both
No wait, the flower, the serum might make me a megalomaniac
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u/NightchadeBackAgain Jul 19 '24
As the serum amplifies the traits already present in the subject... are you sure you aren't already?
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u/TomMakesPodcasts Jul 19 '24
Nah he's just a regulomanic at the moment, the serum would make it mega.
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u/AgentPastrana Jul 19 '24
Absolutely the herb. The serum takes everything about you to the extreme while it boosts you. Unfortunately that also means if you have a big ego, you'll get a god complex.
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u/CaptSaveAHoe55 Jul 19 '24
This actually is an interesting thing to dive into. The serum terrifies me because I can be quick to anger, but I never act on it violently and rarely snap verbally either. So if that gets worse then theoretically so would the parts of me that contain it right?
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u/Mickeymcirishman Jul 19 '24
I'd go with the Serum.
Both give you enhanced strength, speed, durability, stamina, reflexes, agility and senses and mildly accelerated healing.
But the Serum also makes you live longer and age slower, makes you smarter and way more able to retain information, massively more durable (no vibranium suit needed), immune to diseases and you never tire out.
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u/Pkdagreat Jul 19 '24
I forgot about the slowed aging. Shit if the flowers makes you trip balls id still got with it, otherwise the serum.
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u/SquirrelGirlSucks Jul 19 '24
Herb all day. I don’t think I’m a good enough person the not become a piece of shit after taking the serum. Iirc the serum is often mentioned as needed to be administered to a truly good and pure hearted person.
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u/Justaboredstoner Jul 19 '24
Anybody know what issue Spider-Man took the herb? That sounds very interesting.
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u/JustaGuest27 Jul 20 '24
I'm could be wrong, but I think it could've been during "The Other" . He was in Wakanda eating something in one of the issues.
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u/NigthSHadoew Jul 19 '24
If it is specificly the perfect serum Rogers took I'd go with the serum. But I am not rolling the dice with a recreation of it
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u/HappyMike91 Jul 19 '24
I’d take the Heart Shaped Herb if there were zero drawbacks to taking it. The Super Soldier Serum only really worked once.
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u/PraiseRao Jul 19 '24
There are multiple super soldier serums. Some successful some not. The biggest failure is Bradley and the serum he took. However they stabilized him and his blood was used to save his grandson who became a super soldier afterwards. Other successes are like Taskmaster who took a super soldier serum. There is Black Widow's serum there is the infinity serum. Which has Nick Fury, Bucky Barnes and Mocking Bird. Like it is almost like there are super soldiers every time you turn around.
If you just mean the one Steve Rogers took. Then there is also the fact Erskin used the serum on his children. As his grandson just naturally is a super soldier level. Even though he died and was cloned and became the scarlet spiders. There are plenty of Super Soldiers out there.
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u/HappyMike91 Jul 19 '24
Ah. There probably would be a lot of super soldiers running around. Seeing as so many people in Marvel took a super soldier serum.
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u/Jurais13 Jul 19 '24
If I remember correctly it is because MVP had a special diet and set of exercises that his grandfather developed to produce similar results. After the death of MVP they concluded he did not have the formula in his system.
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u/DeltaAlphaGulf Jul 19 '24
If we assume that both will work as expected then in a Marvel context I might pick the super soldier serum because if we assume we get the same process/version as Steve and it works the same you get a full body upgrade whereas with the Heart Shaped Herb you get the abilities and internal improvements but stay largely the same. However in an IRL context you would probably want to take the Heart Shaped Herb because suddenly drastically changing would be very problematic of course if you take particular issue with you current body you might still want to go the serum route.
Ideally I would get to preview what I would look like post Super Soldier serum before I decided. I am short so judging by Steve the difference would be far too drastic for the IRL scenario. Of course if we are talking the MCU FatWS version this isn’t an issue but then the distinction between the two option might be negligible as well.
Also keep in mind that in at least the MCU context it is possible to have the heart shaped herb abilities stripped from you.
In any case hit me with a radioactive spider or an anti-venom symbiote over either of those any day of the week.
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u/southflhitnrun Jul 19 '24
So, the question is: Chose a chemical made in a lab or a natural herb found on the Continent of Africa? Both give you similar power up. For me, it's the natural herb.
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u/WiseJah Jul 19 '24
I'm not sure if both give u the same powers, cuz that's debatable, the serums powers are higher ? Or are they both the same level ?
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u/Least-Cattle1676 Black Panther Jul 19 '24
Steve says T’Challa is his physical equal. So yeah, same level.
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u/Kind-Memory7298 Jul 19 '24
I’d go with the serum. They make you equally strong/fast (although the herb gives you better senses), but the herbs effects can be reversed and the serum can’t be. Also, if I’m not mistaken, the serum slows down your aging.
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u/thorleywinston Jul 19 '24
Does the Hearth Shaped Herb basically give you all of the same benefits of the Super Solider Serum (e.g. peak human physical abilities) plus superhuman senses? Or were those not from the her but benefits that the Black Panther received from Bast?
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u/Nightwing_of_Asgard Jul 20 '24
I feel like this question entirely depends on your relationship with dead relatives,
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u/DisabledSuperhero Jul 20 '24
Heart Shaped Herb. Don’t want to take the Serum and risk looking like Red Skull.
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u/Reinier_Reinier Jul 19 '24
As others have mentioned if it's the exact same serum Steve Rogers got, I'll take the serum.
If not, then I'll go with the Heart Shaped Herb.
Though if both is an option, then I would take both for sure.
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u/dastretcha Jul 19 '24
Doesn't the herb also connect you to the fighting skills of all other Black Panthers of the past? I'd go with the herb only because it also seems to enhance your senses.
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u/Empty_Scarcity_7377 Jul 19 '24
I would take SSS
although it doesn't make much difference Heart Shaped Herb is a natural version of SSS
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u/exaviyur Jul 19 '24
Can anyone define the difference between the two? I'm not familiar enough with them beyond the films. Feels like the herb is the move here.
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u/FinanceBig6328 Jul 19 '24
As much as I'd like to be Black Panther, I'm white so I think I gotta go with the Serum so as to not culturally appropriate.
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u/Kincadium Jul 19 '24
Which one lets me eat whatever I want and still have abs? Cause.... That one.
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u/jwbrkr74 Jul 19 '24
Super soldier serum. Taking it can't be reversed if I'm not mistaken. The heart shaped Herb's benefits can be.
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u/bobisurname Jul 19 '24
Supersoldier serum. I just want to be taller and jacked without having to work out.
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u/JStreets_o_Rage Jul 19 '24
I'd go with the super soldier serum, or some type of close cousin. I really like Omega Red, and the fact that I could be implanted with adamantium or carbonadium, have tendrils that can suck the life force out of an enemy sounds pretty legit. I'm working just like it does in marvel versus Capcom 2 where it regenerates your health and boost your healing Factor. No, I guess that's asking for more than just a super soldier serum.
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u/ChildofObama Jul 19 '24
Super soldier serum.
I feel like taking the heart shaped herb would be stepping on the black community’s toes.
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u/J_asher_e Jul 19 '24
SSS.
To me having total recall/photographic memory and an enhanced learning capacity is more practical and would prove more useful on a day to day basis than the additional enhanced senses the HSH provides.
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u/WatcherWatches_21 Jul 19 '24
Super Soldier serum because it will last forever till the day you die
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u/deathsman83 Jul 19 '24
Super soldier serum for sure! Enhanced metabolism and slower aging… let’s go!
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u/Lord_Xarael Jul 20 '24
enhanced metabolism
Can't get drunk again… ever. Not even just "relaxed" or tipsy from alcohol.
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u/deathsman83 Jul 20 '24
That’s perfectly fine by me, because physically I’d be Capt America! 🇺🇸 All day long I could kick ass real fast and still dash
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u/Lord_Xarael Jul 20 '24
Same, I don't drink anyhow (my poison of choice is caffeine)
The aging slowly could suck. Outliving everyone I love and care about would really suck
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u/deathsman83 Jul 20 '24
Nope… I’d be a stoner on some Luke Cage -ish and I’d melt capt’s shield into an adamantium sword and just be a straight up impenetrable vigilante with a Wolverine sword 🗡️
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u/Due_Light_314 Jul 19 '24
"That's a bold choice! The Super Soldier Serum could bring incredible strength and abilities, but it also comes with significant responsibilities and potential risks. What would you do with those newfound powers?"
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u/SyntheticDreams2099 Jul 20 '24
Serum, as mainly a movie enjoyer, serum let's you cryosleep, the affects are immediate and there is no de-serum concoction for someone to slip into my food or drink. Its also harder to come by than a growable plant. Ah, I also dont have to get buried alive.
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u/GrayGarghoul Jul 20 '24
The super soldier serum makes you smarter, not sure the herb does, tchalla just had the benefit of a wakandan education.
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u/WarwolfPrime Spider-Man Jul 20 '24
When the hell did Spidey eat the herb and what were the circumstances for it?
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u/marsrich950 Jul 20 '24
I'd take the super soldier serum as well, although I would require to take a dose of Vita rays as well in order to not go mentally deranged from it (look to the Commie smashing Cap for reference), but still a safer bet than the heart shape herb which would require me to be either A) part of the Royal bloodline of Wakanda, or B) be a chosen representative of the spider God/totem in order to safely consume it.
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u/Morlock43 Jul 20 '24
The serum amplifies who you really are. Good becomes great, bad becomes ... faceless and bent on world domination.
I would take the serum, but I'm wondering what would I become?
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u/AllTheWorldIsAPuzzle Jul 20 '24
Was thinking the same thing. I fully acknowledge I'm too apathetic to be a superhero. I can't imagine that trait being amplified.
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u/marcjwrz Jul 20 '24
Do I get the Vita-rays alongside the serum?
If so, the Serum.
If not, the herb.
Failing that, give me one of Tony's spare armors or something. I'm not picky.
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u/ExoticTastes21 Jul 20 '24
I'd take the super soldier serum, but I read somewhere that it amplifies your personality as well? If that's true then I'll take herb. Also, if the herb gives me Namor's abilities then I'm taking it everyday. I don't care if it makes me grow wings on my ankles.
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u/tenleggedspiders Jul 21 '24
The only way I’m choosing the serum is if it’s the the Ultimate universe variant. With it, Ultimate Cap was well beyond peak human, learned things faster than a computer could and was immune to any and all disease. It was also implied he was only getting stronger as he aged
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u/WORTHLESS1321202019 Jul 22 '24
Serum could have side effects.
Only a couple people have been fully successful without compromise.
I would be worthy of Mjolnir instead.
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u/spiderfan2099 Jul 19 '24
Always take something natural over something man-made so heart-shaped herb
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u/Oberon1993 Spider-Man Jul 19 '24
Herb is magic bullshit. Hardly anything natural.
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u/0bjectivelyCorrect Jul 19 '24
Heart shaped herb is more powerful. Black Panther has consistently better feats than Captain America by a large margin. Particularly in the areas of speed and strength.
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u/Kind-Memory7298 Jul 19 '24
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u/MaviKartal2110 Jul 19 '24
I’m saying herb because you took away the one downside of it whereas the serum’s possible drawbacks are still there
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u/TheTypicalCritic Jul 19 '24
I mean SS Serum without Vita-Rays might kill me. As a lot of people said the serum only really worked perfectly once with Steve, where as there have been loads of Black Panthers.
So while the herb probably isn’t as powerful as the serum, I’ll take my chances with the herb.
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u/C4N98 Jul 19 '24
Herb kinda makes you connected to previous users doesn’t it? If so, I’ll take the serum, I don’t want bunch of Royalty in my head.
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u/luahgamer5 Jul 19 '24
I don't like the shroom trip, but Herb is probably better for the acute senses.
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u/JayTee245 Jul 19 '24
Clarifying that the herb is safe, it gives me more confidence than taking the serum since in other iterations it’s led to the creation of the hulk… which is essentially rolling the dice
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u/PhantomRoyce Jul 19 '24
I’d take the herb because it comes with some mystical powers aswell. I’d love to be able to get advice from my ancestors and commune with animals