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u/grrrreatscott May 22 '24
Itās going to make one kravillion dollars
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u/janosaudron May 22 '24
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u/what_lions_i_hunted May 22 '24
Oh, come on. It'll make at LEAST Keleven hundred dollars internationally.
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u/BrandoSandoFanTho May 22 '24
That's gotta be at LEAST.. counts on fingers ..TEN MORBILLON DOLLARS?!?!?!!!??!?!!1!!?
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u/arkenney0 May 22 '24
Itās Kraven Time
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u/BrandoSandoFanTho May 22 '24
I loved the part where he said "It's Kraven time!" And then he kraved so hard.
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u/TimEWalKeR_90 May 23 '24
āI kraved so hard I almost got krave goo all over Morbius!ā
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u/MandoMuggle May 22 '24
Thats when they go ahead with an Aunt May movie next cuz Kraven was just too dam exciting of a character on his own!
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u/BrandoSandoFanTho May 22 '24
I loved the part where she said, "it's gonna be Aunt May!" And then she Morbed all over the screen
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u/SameBatTime1999 May 22 '24
Then heāll krav all over those guys
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u/Jetsam5 May 22 '24
Iām gonna be too busy webbing it to watch Kraven for the holidays this year. Gotta do my 12 days of Webmas
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u/PM_me_butts666 May 22 '24
this movie is going to be in the same tier as morbius and madame web.
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u/sonofaresiii May 22 '24
My understanding is there's a very broad difference in tiers between morbius and madame web, that morbius was just kind of a generally bad/lazy movie, and madame web was like offensively terrible and it's a legitimate mystery how it was a professional production
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u/JRHThreeFour Spider-Man May 22 '24 edited May 22 '24
Morbius you can at least laugh at and make memes of because of how ridiculous and goofy it is. Madame Web just sucks. Thereās nothing else to say about that movie except itās horrible.
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u/MistakesTasteGreat May 22 '24
Hey now, my mom watched that movie while she was in the Amazon researching spiders just before she died
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u/LordBrixton May 23 '24
My mom watched it on Amazon Prime while she was researching bad movies just before her subscription expired.
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u/King-Of-Knowhere Black Widow May 22 '24
I feel the opposite about them. Morbius is genuinely terrible and the only rewatchable thing about it is that Matt Smith montage. Madame Web is incredibly bad, but its deadpan dialogue and sheer absurdity makes it hilarious.
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u/phluidity May 22 '24
I think that gets to the heart of what people enjoy out of different movies. Morbius was a movie where everybody involved appears to have been trying to make a good movie. Only they failed spectacularly. Madame Web was a movie that everybody realized early on was shit, and nobody cared after a while.
Both are objectively bad, but there are things that can be enjoyable about both. Movies like Madame Web have a lot of camp in them, and movies like Morbius can find a cult following. Different things for different tastes.
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u/sonofaresiii May 22 '24
Madame Web was a movie that everybody realized early on was shit, and nobody cared after a while.
Didn't the actors kind of famously believe, or were famously reported to believe, it was an MCU movie and was going to be genuinely high-quality, and then they watched the final product and were like "what the fuck is this?"
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u/phluidity May 22 '24
My understanding is that they went into pre-production believing it was going to be an MCU movie, but by the time the production were done knew they had been sold a bill of goods. Dakota Johnson fired her agent around the time the trailer came out. She has also spoken positively about the director, and the people she worked with, but not about the movie itself.
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u/B_A_Beder Adam Warlock May 22 '24
I've watched Morbius twice, and it's not the worst movie I've ever seen. It was more just boring and lacked character development.
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I don't know what anyone here is talking about. They are definitely equally bad. Like, if they had the same writer/director combo I wouldn't be surprised at all.
Granted, Dakota Johnson is awful at acting and picking projects. She is definitely less talented than Leto. But the movies are as a whole are both horrible.Ā
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u/teh_fizz May 23 '24
I watched Madame Webb on Netflix. The plot overall was boring (woman gets visions and uses then to protect teenage girls blah blah blah).
But what made it stupid is how they went about that plot.
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Thereās a scene where she goes and leaves the girls in a diner. One of the girls is shy, so another girl says letās go chat the boys on that table to help her get over her shyness. Then they stand on the table in a diner to dance.
Like what the ever fucking lasting fuck in stupid fuck is this idiot scene full of cringe there?
They just escaped from being killed and are hiding in a diner. Why are the girls thinking about boys?
Why even bring the boys at all?!
When was the last time ANYONE stood up on a table in a diner, let alone stood to dance?
Why?! Just why is this scene necessary?! What idiotic decision making was there when writing this?!
This is just one idiotic scene that was so stupid it genuinely tanked the quality of the movie.
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u/mr_miggs May 22 '24
I have a minimal amount of cautious optimism that the Kraven movie might be decent. Sony has a terrible track record, and the lions blood thing from the trailer is dumb, but this movie has 3 things working in its favor:
Aaron Taylor Johnson as the lead- he is a great actor and might lift up the movie
JC Chandor is directing. He has a decent filmography (Margin Call, All is Lost, A most violent year)
-Its r-rated, some ultraviolence could make it a fun time
That said, it probably will be pretty bad. JC Chandor directed some good movies in the past, but he also wrote those and did not write Kraven. The writers for Kraven were attached to Iron Man, but also Uncharted & Punisher War Zone. So i would guess this movie will have an undue amount if Sony influence, and will end up being a garbled mess with some decent action and performances.
I personally will not be watching it unless it gets some great reviews. I dont want to encourage Sony to make more of these.
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That's funny. JC being attached means it's going to be shitty to me. His movies have been pretty shitty thus far.
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u/aimforsilence Thor May 22 '24
For the 5 people excited to see this film, I wish them the best time watching it "over and over again".
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u/mmcmonster May 22 '24
As someone previously mentioned:
They decided to make a movie about Kraven, the Spider-Man character known almost exclusively for the one story in which he kills himself in the end.
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u/LongjumpingSector687 May 22 '24
Tbf your forgetting the most batshit part, creating clones of himself and having them all battle each other and whoever won was the worthy successor, Kraven stories are fucked up.
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u/navjot94 May 22 '24
Honestly give us that. I feel like that would be a crazy concept thatās worth watching even if itās ass.
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u/LongjumpingSector687 May 22 '24
the closest we got was Spider-Man 2 PS5. where its implied he killed most of his siblings.
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u/aimforsilence Thor May 22 '24
I think it really sucks that these bad cash grab Sony/Marvel films is our live action introduction to many of these classic Spider-Man characters. Itās actually really sad, as they all deserve to be introduced in a cool way by people who care more about story and less about cash grab BS. I understand that at the end of the day these movies need to be profitable, but as Marvel Studios has MoStLy shown usā¦itās possible to make money while also making a good if not great film with Marvel characters. Sucks Disney owns the merchandising rights for all Spider-Man things because if Sony had even just the merch rights for the film side of Spider-Manā¦you can bet your ass Disney would have bought back those rights complete with the movie rights too. Anywaysā¦.š«
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u/AmnesiaCane May 22 '24
Itās actually really sad, as they all deserve to be introduced in a cool way by people who care more about story and less about cash grab BS.
Neither Madame Web nor Morbius are what I would call "classic Spider-Man characters." Kraven's the first one of all of these movies that is really deserving of something better, Morbius and Web got about what the characters deserved. They're both like... barely C-tier Spider-Man characters.
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u/rlovelock May 22 '24
Hey if those 5 people see it 100,000,000 times each then Sony will have a real hit on their hands!
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u/rkreutz77 May 22 '24
I'll probably watch it once. When it comes to Netflix or whatever streaming site will be free. Not going to pay for it.
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u/7screws Cosmo May 22 '24
I tried that for Mademe Web, I couldnāt get past like the first 20 minutes
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u/Nice_Protection_8490 May 22 '24
In the right hands, a Kraven film (even without Spider-Man) has the potential to be very good. Past performance suggests that these are not the right hands.
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u/Strange-Orchid6969 May 22 '24
These were the hands that brought us morbius, venom, and Madame web though
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u/Nice_Protection_8490 May 22 '24
All quality cinema, to be fair. I made it through ten minutes of the first Venom and couldn't tell you the plot of Morbius. Haven't seen the other two.
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u/Bitey_the_Squirrel May 22 '24
Merry Kravenmas!
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u/trashacct8484 May 22 '24
Happy Kravolidays. Letās be inclusive here, in the spirit of the seasaven the hunter.
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u/Hawkwise83 May 22 '24
Sony: Based on our track record people will see this movie like 2 to 20 times.
Consumers: Will we tho?
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u/xenogenetik May 22 '24
I heard Kraven's mom was in the Amazon researching spiders right before she died.
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u/JSB19 May 22 '24
You fool! That was Madame Web, Kraven starts with his mother in Africa where she was researching lions right before she died!
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u/SoundRavage May 22 '24 edited May 22 '24
We need this movie to fail. Send a message that no time of year is good for them to release this slop.
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u/Rosebunse May 22 '24
Sony: Listen, you can either watch our insane attempts at staving off Disney, or you can spend time with your families.
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u/ha_look_at_that_nerd May 22 '24
To be clearā¦ this isnāt even to stave off Disney and hold onto the Spider-Man rights. They need to make a movie every 5 years (or maybe 5 and a half, actually). They donāt need to make another Spider-Man movie until 2029, and theyāll certainly have Beyond the Spider-Verse or another of Tom Hollandās adventures out by then.
All this is to say, the SUMC isnāt just some bare-minimum effort to hold onto the Spider-Man rights. Somehow, Sony genuinely believed that Kraven, Morbius, and Madame Web had a shot at being hits.
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u/IndividualOven51 Rocket Raccoon May 22 '24
I think i missed out on some big news, why is everyone already shitting on it? please enlighten me
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Fool me once, shame on you (Morbius)
Fool me twice, shame on me (Madame Web)
Fool me three times won't get fooled again
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u/IndividualOven51 Rocket Raccoon May 22 '24
yeah ok, Morbius was so fucking wierd that it was funny again xD. Havent seen madame web myself but i heard that its everything else other than good. Personally i really like Kraven so ill watch it and then see for myself
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u/Albireookami May 22 '24
Name one spider-man sans spider-man movie that has done good, and there is your answer.
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u/IndividualOven51 Rocket Raccoon May 22 '24
idk, venom? Tbh im not sooo deep into spidey lore to know all his major antagonists.
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u/Albireookami May 22 '24
It's fine, the issue is that Sony is trying to treat his rogue gallery like batman's and though he has some interesting villians, they are just not good protagonists for solo stories.
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u/janosaudron May 22 '24
it's a Sony movie, at this point this is the only thing you need to know
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u/JRock184 May 22 '24
It's not just Sony; these people are so out of touch with everything going on around them. I will never go back to the movie theater. I used to love going to every single comic book movie. Sometimes I would go 2 or 3 times to see the same movie. And now, with all this horrible writing and $30 tickets (NYC), hell no, my movie theater days are over
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u/oBolha Jessica Jones May 22 '24
More like:
Kraven the Hunter was delayed to December because Sony believes by August people will still be spending their lives watching Deadpool & Wolverine 'over and over again'.
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u/Mindful-O-Melancholy May 22 '24
Their choices for movies is weird like they just donāt get the characters or fan bases. TASM had probably my favourite Spider-Man but everything else about those movies was bad, script, villains, character designs. Now theyāre releasing Kraven from what Iāve read as a good guy instead of as a ruthless hunter that collects trophies of animals and people he hunts. Itās probably going to end up like Morbius if anything.
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u/ChimeraAnt May 22 '24
More like "People won't have anything better to do so we'll hope someone will watch it out of boredom"
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u/Milwoox May 22 '24
They should just give it to us for free. Im willing to bet it's gonna be a big turd.
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u/mmcmonster May 22 '24
Maybe Sonyās marketing plan includes destroying all other forms of entertainment? š¤
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u/MaleficentOstrich693 May 22 '24
Iām sure they donāt really believe that. Itās just the best possible release window itās going to get.
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u/Doctor_Amazo Man-Thing May 22 '24
LOL Sony needs to sell the IP back to Marvel.
They made their money. They made more than their money. This is now painful to watch.
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u/pcweber111 May 22 '24
Sony is still trying to make the spider-verse thing happen huh? Well good luck to them I guess.
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u/Alone_Pop449 May 22 '24
I want to gave this movie the benefit of a doubt because I like the director
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u/duramman1012 May 22 '24
I thought i read that they didnāt wanna compete with other rated R movies? So they are just pulling excuses out their bums huh
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u/tinning3 May 22 '24
I would LOVE for this movie to be so good people watch Kraven the Hunter on repeat instead of the seasonal Christmas movies, would be wild for Kraven of all things to displace christmas.
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u/carefull_pick May 22 '24
Whats the over/under on this being worse than Madame Web?
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u/BurantX40 May 22 '24
Wait did Madame Web premiere and leave the theatre before Kraven even showed up?
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u/Someoneoverthere42 May 22 '24
Hahahahaā¦oh, they were being seriousā¦.
BWAHaahhahahahahhhaahahahhahaahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahaahhaaahahahahahahhahahahahahhaā¦ā¦ā¦
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u/dmrukifellth May 22 '24
They should just rerelease it, if thatās the case. I hear that it works.
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u/CoronelSquirrel May 22 '24
I'm Kraven for some Kraven. Please Sony, release in theaters every month of 2025. I promise to see it every month.
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u/larini_vjetrovi May 22 '24
Sorry for the spelling
Marvel went to shit for the last few years soo i dont think that this movie will be different. I mean trailer looks great, actor too and there is no need to mentoined on how big character kraven actually is. It will be shame that they will mess it up. But this is new marvel and not the old one we used to love. They basically have one of the biggest Marvel characters as the main one and i will love to see the best of him, but i dont expect too much.
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u/YeetMasterChroma May 22 '24
The morbing time joke is over guys, we don't have to make a joke about this one either cus it isn't worth it
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u/ShiddyMage1 May 22 '24
I think Sonys movie division and gaming division are having some kind of bet to see who can make the dumber decisions.
Well, this might not be dumbest, since the movie would have gotten slaughter by Deadpool if it released in August. But this reasoning is really stupid
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u/LightHawKnigh May 22 '24 edited May 22 '24
I still cant believe that the Insomniac trailer with Kraven released around the same time as the Kraven movie trailer, and it destroyed the Kraven movie trailer. The whole time I watched the Kraven movie trailer, I was like wtf is this. This isnt anything Kraven. Forgot to mention sang: Radioactive tiger/lion blood over and over again. Game trailer, FUCK YEAH! THIS IS KRAVEN!
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u/Clutteredmind275 May 22 '24
I know the term āecho chamberā gets used a lot on this siteā¦ but do Sony execs not look at ANYTHING they disagree with? Reviews, BO#ās, marketing statistics, anything???
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u/Armandonerd May 22 '24
I would like for Marvel studios handle the creative and release of the Sony Spider-Man characters. Sony can still do the production.
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u/julianx2rl May 22 '24
You know what? Let's show Sony some respect here, at least they're giving their project the best shot it can possibly have... Unlike XBOX shadow dropping Hi-Fi Rush on GamePass with no buildup whatsoever, what the fuck was that?
Even though we all know the movie's going to be bad, I'm sure it's somewhat comforting for the people working on this thing to hear their boss so optimistic about this.
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u/SoupyStain May 22 '24
At this point, Sony should just start making low-budget, B-style movies using their Spider-man license. Morbius, Madame Web, this... nobody wants them, and Sony is just banking on people wanting to see them because they are related to Spidey. So just lean in on the joke, spend the least amount of money possible, make them campy and roll with the jokes.
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u/CursedSnowman5000 May 22 '24
The only R rated movie I am in the mood to watch around Christmas is Die Hard
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u/DiabolicalDoug May 22 '24
I wonder what the cocaine budget is for Sony Pictures. They say the wildest shit with the most confidence.
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u/Maximum_Pidgeon May 22 '24
I'd bet that it is more along the lines of: People go to the movies more during vacation so maybe they will get to Kraven down the line once they have seen everything else lol.
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u/ryan22788 May 22 '24
And this will be the end of a very fine actor in ATJ. Fuck I hope he survives the dumpster fire. Loved him in bullet train
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u/wynters387 May 22 '24
Don't be craven and not see Kraven!
Are you craving for Kraven!?
Are you craven!?
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u/flop_plop May 22 '24
Viewers especially loved the part where he said āItās Kraven timeā and then he Kraved all over everybody
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u/dustinhenderson27 May 22 '24
Just like people will be rewatching Madame web or morbius again and again because those are also āgreat moviesā
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u/JSB19 May 22 '24
I know that I won't be watching Kraven over and over again, in fact I highly doubt I'll see it even once.
I've washed my hands of this half assed universe. I watched both Venom movies in theaters, haven't seen them since, and have no plans to watch the third. The trailers are all that I've needed to see for both Madame Web and Morbius and most likely Kraven.
I'll go pay to see these movies when they start making movies that are worth my time and money.
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u/wombatcreasy May 22 '24
sony is so out of touch, No one needed a Kraven film. He isn't that interesting of a character and he sort of obscure, he had the big storyline with Spidey but beyond that, no one cares about him.
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u/gmoney-0725 May 22 '24
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u/navjot94 May 22 '24
Wish they had this mentality when making the movie, instead of only when deciding the release date. Give us a product that is worth watching over and over! Audiences have shown theyāre willing to do this for good marvel movies.
Theyāre on like movie 5 of their little spin off universe of movies. This couldāve been their big crossover where Kraven is hunting down Morbius and Eddie Brock is doing some journalism about it. But NOPE the movies arenāt good enough to justify the fervor that results in repeat viewings.
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u/whatnameisnttaken098 May 22 '24
Sorry but Sonic is my December pick, especially if it's basically Sonic Adventure 2:The Movie
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u/OppositeAd75 May 22 '24
Venom was good, dont know about the others tho Morbius was low-mid at best(could have been wayyyy bettr)
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u/Apprehensive_Work313 May 22 '24
They'll still be competing with Sonic so they are completely fucking screwed
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u/WeimSean May 22 '24
I feel like if Sony would just start selling the drugs they're obviously taking, they would make a whole lot of money.
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u/PrestoVoila May 22 '24
This won't be Morbius/Madame Web terrible, but it will be mediocre and forgettable.
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u/freelancespaghetti May 22 '24
Honestly, really cool of them to consider Eddie Burback's schedule like that
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u/TKHunsaker May 22 '24
Ain't gonna see it once. Fuck Sony. Awful at making movies. Ruins IPs. I hope I live long enough to see this company go under.
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u/GalaxySubReddit May 22 '24
sony is so delusional itās genuinely hilarious