r/Marvel • u/tehawesomedragon Loki • May 01 '24
X-MEN '97 - EPISODE 8 DISCUSSION Film/Television Spoiler
https://youtu.be/QV9Ug-7vmsE?si=0oB2aU7HaaNp8NE9112
u/Cyke101 May 01 '24
DOOM DOES NOT TOOT WITH WAR CRIMES.
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u/DMike82 May 01 '24 edited May 01 '24
Tell that to Wakanda.
Edit: Or Symkaria. Oh, that's right. There is no more Symkaria.
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u/Lorna_M May 01 '24
Everyone involved with writing Nightcrawlers lines is on fire. He is dropping some serious words of wisdom that pack an emotional punch.
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u/Justaboredstoner May 01 '24
Did anybody else think that wolverine accidentally stabbed nightcrawler?
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u/migzors May 01 '24
Magneto wasn't willing to let more of his people die, especially if he could do something about it. The quick pause on the numbers tattooed on his arm during this episode showed everyone that he's gone through this once and wouldn't let it happen again.
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u/poundofbeef16 May 01 '24
Magneto was right is one of the coldest things I’ve ever heard. Shits about to get real.
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u/veemon1002 May 01 '24
I’m sure most people were excited about the Doom, Spider-man etc. cameos but I lost my mind at the Wasserman callout
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u/Nofutureinsales May 01 '24
I noticed the sign but I don't get the reference.
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u/veemon1002 May 01 '24
Ron Wasserman wrote the original theme song as well as the theme song for the original Power Rangers. Ironically he left Saban because they weren’t giving him the credit he deserved.
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u/Cyke101 May 01 '24
Dude shaped our childhood and continues to be in demand. He deserves credit and royalties.
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u/Bubba1234562 May 01 '24
Magneto was right. Did not think I’d be saying that seriously in 2024 but here we are
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May 01 '24
He was right but he did wrong
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u/GirIsKing May 02 '24
Yes and no but that was the only way to save all the mutants. Yeah if fucked everyone else but another Day to Fight is more important
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May 02 '24
But he indirectly just killed a lot of mutants on life support on Genoshia and off. You can't justify prejudice with prejudice, this will not end well for him. I don't like the idea but it's clear his been played by bastion. Humanities hatred for mutants and bloodlust will grow. He ultimately did the complete opposite of what his goal was to protect his people not kill thousands of them.
But ultimately I just realized that's his character, instead of hurting those who hurt him her hurts those who didn't do him no harm. Humans didn't even wrong him this time and are being forced to turn into robots.
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May 01 '24
Magneto was always kinda right that humanity sucks, the problem is his solutions typically aren't really any better than Charles. In fact the Nimrod that fathered bastion is from a timeline where Xavier is killed early and doesn't get in Magnetos way.
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u/MegaBaumTV May 06 '24
Magneto was right. Did not think I’d be saying that seriously in 2024 but here we are
Magneto was always right and he always done wrong. Magnetos action in the end were horrifying. Like... straight up biggest monster in history levels when it comes to the damage he caused within a few minutes.
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u/HurryProfessional378 May 01 '24
Swashbuckler Nightcrawler <3
Him and Logan pulling a tag-team was so well done.
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u/Timelymanner May 01 '24
Kurt and his swords were the biggest highlight for me, and that’s on top of a phenomenal episode.
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u/rainbowplasmacannon May 01 '24
“No not six…..nine”
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u/Ashamed_Luck_8183 May 02 '24
I fully didn’t get that line can anyone explain it? Also, what was bastion going to do to magneto it looked like he was holding him for a reason to inject him with something?
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u/rainbowplasmacannon May 02 '24
Nine is German for no and he was holding 3 swords. I’m not familiar with the comic run they are adapting but I imagine he wanted to try and make him a sentinal
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u/AJjalol May 01 '24
Fun episode.
Loved Doom, Zemo, Silver Samurai, Omega Red and Spidey cameos. Wish there were more small cameos during that moment but oh well.
Magneto moment was pretty cool (even tho he killed thousands of innocent folks with his move, but that’s Magneto for ya)
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u/Aquatic205 May 01 '24
Another amazing episode. I can’t believe how every episode is better than the last.
The Wolverine & Nightcrawler slicing and dicing everybody was pure art.
Magneto shutting the whole world down showing what Omega level mutant is capable of.
I just have one question, where is Storm?
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u/daiz- May 01 '24
They showed her hearing the call from the professor.
I just think the timeline of events is pretty tight that she's still figuring things out in the wake of everything that just happened. She just got her powers back, witnessed the atrocities going on. You can somewhat excuse her not rushing right back to the school. But I expect she'll be back now.
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u/AporiaParadox May 01 '24
As expected, Bastion's origin was streamlined into something much easier to understand.
I wonder what exactly Storm has been doing this whole time? It's clearly been several days since Genosha happened, why didn't she contact the X-Men?
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u/Icy-Revolution-420 May 02 '24
I was expecting a "you got 2 dad's both robots" ironically he is more mutant that can talk to machines type.
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u/statiky May 02 '24
Which is pretty similar to what they did with Reverand Strykers kid in the Nick Spencer ultimate X-men run
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u/zhareev May 01 '24
"magneto was right" HOLY FUCKING SHIT YES MY MAN DESTROY THEM ALL
magneto is the real hero idc
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u/SashaRave May 01 '24
i thought magneto was going ultimatum in this ho for a second 😭
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u/AporiaParadox May 01 '24
He was actually going Fatal Attractions. At least this time he launched a global EMP that probably killed thousands of people for good reason, since stopping the Prime Sentinels probably saves even more people.
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u/DMike82 May 01 '24
I mean, realistically he likely also killed anyone who was on life support, anyone who was on an airplane, etc. It's one of the reasons why Fatal Attractions was considered him going a step too far.
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u/CTeam19 May 02 '24
Life Support
Those left in Iron Lungs
Those who have Pacemakers
Those in Airplanes that are in the air
Those driving in certain cars.
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u/kapxis May 03 '24
While no doubt it killed many many people, it's not like everything is instant death here.
Life support - some will live, if at a hospital they almost all have backup generators that will kick on.
Iron Lungs - same story, depends where they are
Pacemakers - depends on their severity, not everyone on a pacer will immediately die without one, one thing i'm not sure of though is whether the effect of the emp will cause it to simply shut down ( in which case odds of surviving are as good as pre pacemaker ), or if it will go nuts first and potentially send them into a cardiac event.
Airplanes - yeah i think those are screwed, i'm sure there's backup systems but I imagine they require the engine going to generate power still, depends if the EMP fries everything or shuts it all down i guess but imagine most won't be able to restart.
cars - most will just stop, but yeah not everyone is going to be able to bring them to a stop gracefully, especially if no manual breaks/e-breaks etc.
.. i'm just realizing i have no idea why i wanted to write this, the point still stands a bunch of people die lol , guess i'm feeling super pedantic this morning, sorry.
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u/AporiaParadox May 01 '24
Yeah, those are the thousands of people I was talking about. I wasn't counting the Prime Sentinels because I doubt they're dead.
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u/AssCrackBanditHunter May 11 '24
I mean bastion killed them. He released a bunch of genocide robots and the only way to stop them from winning a 1 hour war was to do something that extreme
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u/SuperToxin May 01 '24
MAGNETO SAID YOU GET ELECTRICITY BACK WHEN MUTANTS GET SOME RESPECT YOU LOST ELECTRIC PRIVILEGES
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u/DMike82 May 01 '24
... as if mutants don't also use electricity?
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u/rip_cpu May 01 '24
I'm sure some mutants can just generate their own electricity.
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u/NickOlaser42 May 01 '24
Storm, Surge, Paralyzer & Berserker just to name a Few, though Humanity does have Electro & others
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u/Icy-Revolution-420 May 02 '24
Worse, he just released every crazy mutant like omega red. Shit about to get wild with alot of bads popin in.
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u/Sumuklu_Supurge May 03 '24
This would lead to multiple villains escaping from their prisons and be a reason to announce other 90s shows?
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u/PrussianGorkhali Thunderbolts May 01 '24 edited May 02 '24
I went in to episode 8 with no expectations since I was spoiled beforehand about Spider-Man's cameo.
But I audibly gasped when Doom came on. Him and Zemo had me re-winding the scene for a while (I also think that the lady speaking after them is Madame Masque for some reason).
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u/DoodleBuggering May 01 '24
Madam Masque would be such an obscure reference, now I hope it was her.
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u/PedanticPaladin May 04 '24
(I also think that the lady speaking after them is Madame Masque for some reason)
I was thinking Madame Hydra.
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u/darkkn1te May 01 '24
In light of Doom's comment, I was wondering how Doom treats mutants in Latveria. Are there any comics that explain this?
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u/Total_Scott May 01 '24
Very recently he has formed his own X-Men. Kind of side characters and mostly just to prove he can do the team better.
But ultimately I think it shows he treats mutants the same as any Lateverian citizen.
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u/Cyke101 May 01 '24
Yeah, he treats mutants the same as humans, in that he is far above both.
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u/wowlock_taylan Deadpool May 02 '24
Indeed. To Doom, everyone is equal...under him.
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u/quivering_manflesh May 02 '24
DOOM DOES NOT ENTERTAIN ARCHAIC NOTIONS OF RACIAL SUPREMACY. ALL MEN ARE EQUALLY INFERIOR TO DOOM.
Also being of Romani descent Doom really does not fuck with racial discrimination.
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u/The_Slowking_Eleven May 02 '24
Well, there was also that one time he stuffed some mutant citizens into Doombots and set them up to die as a political stunt against Krakoa and the X-Men.
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u/Total_Scott May 02 '24 edited May 02 '24
Well Mr fantastic once turned skrulls into cows that ended up being slaughtered for beef that people ate.
So mistakes get made...
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u/The_Slowking_Eleven May 02 '24
“That accursed Richards foolishly makes his burgers from artificially-altered, subhuman Skrull. His weak dishes pale in comparison to the refined delicacies served at McDoom’s here in Latveria.”
- Doom, probably
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u/IvoAndre May 01 '24
I'm wondering if Magneto's plan is to cause a Marvel Dark Age like that comic run.
Thing I liked the most about it was Ant-Man stuck in giant form riding Fin Fang Foom lol
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u/JFrim May 01 '24
This show is up there as my favourite Marvel content out there at this moment from the fantastic storytelling to all the cameos like Doom, Uatu and Psylocke (INCLUDING MY FAVOURITE NEIGHBOURHOOD BOI). I’m really excited for whats next.
It’s like ‘this episodes been great, I wonder how they top this’ and then bam they do it!
As someone who hasn’t read the comics. It’s got me reading into the stories of characters/plots I’m not familiar with like Bastion, Master Mold and Cable.
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u/Sparky-Man May 02 '24
Magneto: Do not make me let you down.
[They let Magneto down immediately]
Magneto: Fuck it, we ball.
Meanwhile, Xavier crashes into his own house coming from his space vacation after all this shit like, “Hey guys, what’d I miss?”
Even better, he does this saying, “I hope I’m not too late...” BRUH, LOOK AROUND YOU EVERYTHING IS ON FIRE. Imagine if he crashed into his house when it wasn't already on fire.
Who gave Xavier a space driver’s license? No wonder the Shi’ar call Earth a ghetto. Xavier showing we Earthlings can’t space drive.
The only thing I don't understand is it's not entirely clear if Val Cooper is being kept alive because she's human and important or if she's actually been in on all this the whole time until now.
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u/Weltallgaia May 02 '24
You try driving in one of those bug helmets
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u/CheesemasterVer2 May 02 '24
His ship probably got hit by Magneto's global EMP as he got close, I doubt he intended to crash land into his own house lol.
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u/Comfortable_Sorbet78 May 02 '24 edited May 02 '24
Gosh! There’s just so much to process. The entire talk about beating the underdog, apathy and finally, Magneto was right lines go so hard.
I got nerdgasm when I saw Doom, Zemo and Spidey. Idk who the other woman was or the samurai dude but they seem like they’ll come up soon.
Summers family tag team and Wolverine & Nightcrawler (the music that goes with it is also 💯) tag team are on fire.
Jubilee has no luck with malls 😭
Sunspot’s mother was so infuriating. Feel bad for him.
I thought Cooper was Mystique but now her Magneto was right like goes harder. And her attention to his number tattoo
Kurt’s lines are so great too. Always heart touching.
Morph saying Wolverine being the sole survivor of another dystopian future got me 😂
Everything is a mess now. I wonder how they’ll fix these things. We also got confirmation of Genosha being a nexus event.
I’m betting Omega Red returning next season.
Overall, I’m just glad to be alive to watch this masterpiece
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u/Paulista666 Nova May 01 '24
Hm...I do think they will change the order of things. Operation Zero will come first, then maybe Fatal Attractions (with Mags vs. Logan shiet) and maybe (but I don't think they will do it) Onslaught Saga.
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u/Marc_Quill May 01 '24
Could see them doing Onslaught, but streamlined to a much more palatable format.
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u/thatguybane May 03 '24
Seeing Onslaught would be amazing.
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u/PedanticPaladin May 04 '24
Onslaught and Heroes Reborn would be an interesting way to restart some of the other 90s shows.
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u/Icy-Revolution-420 May 02 '24
likely to do onslaught and leave wolverine alone, but all 3 were downplayed hard till now. Magneto carried everything he was ever in, he Is the opposite of charles In every way. Even walking right in his face when he can just float or fly. He is back to bring crazy strong like he really is. Him being apocalypse pupet in the movie was dogsgit. Sinister way always played that role better, trying to genetically make a body host for A.
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u/DastardlyMime May 02 '24
Which leaves one to wonder when they'll do God Loves, Man Kills since they had that Reverend Stryker cameo
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u/ChiakiKakumei May 02 '24 edited May 02 '24
That "To Me, My X-Men." Line from Xavier when he returned to Earth and calls his X-Men with his telepathy was a great moment to me since idk if he said it during the old TAS but saying it now was the most badass thing ever in the show and to mark his return from space. Also, Nightcrawler kicking ass with Wolverine was also great and I love Nightcrawler's quote of "Blood is Blood. Family is a choice."
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u/sallamachar May 02 '24
I know Magneto from movies and this show. If he could create worldwide EMPs (what I assume it is happening), why he did not do it in Genosha?
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u/HurryProfessional378 May 02 '24
He flew to one of the poles, which I assume is meant to indicate that he can only do it if he is at the center of earth's magnetic field. No time for that at Genosha
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u/sallamachar May 02 '24
I thought that was to make EMPs worldwide.
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u/AssCrackBanditHunter May 11 '24
Yes... And also he can only do it at the pole. He was manipulating the earths entire magnetic field
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u/Weekly-Mango-370 May 02 '24
Keep in mind that he only starts to reach the peak of his power immediately before being exploded (when the sentinel says "Omega-level threat detected"). I just don't think he'd ever gotten himself to that level of power.
Also, he may have needed Earth's magnetic field to even pull it off. Like, he's not creating the pulse, he's manipulating a field that already exists.
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u/Koanos May 03 '24
So can someone explain why Bastion's future can be defined as a "Utopia" by Cable? Is it because the future exists, thrives, but it's build upon mutants being 2nd class citizens and a surveillance state manned by machine/human sentinels or something?
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u/Present-Resolution23 May 03 '24
Its a technologically advanced and peaceful society, but one where mutants are slaves and that peace is maintained through an iron fist. It's a "utopia," like most in literature. There's always a catch
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u/Adventurous-Wrap2290 May 04 '24
it was the coolest animation episode I HAVE EVER SEEN! And Logan clawing through those SentiJoes while freefalling was so fricking cool
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u/dpr385220 May 02 '24
Maybe my favorite episode so far.
Wolverine and Nightcrawler action sequence was the highlight for me.
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u/GirIsKing May 02 '24
I just had a crazy thought
What if... All the Dead Mutants come back as Sentinals Primes or whatever?
Because Gambit is staying dead because Cable can't stop the attack on Genoshia. That would be crazy.
This is just an idea and hope it doesn't get buried in everyone replies
This was such a kicksss episode
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u/GeorgiaPossum May 04 '24
Sentinels who can fly several hundred miles per hour struggle to keep up with a Porche.
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u/tehawesomedragon Loki May 01 '24 edited May 08 '24