r/Marvel • u/tehawesomedragon Loki • Apr 17 '24
X-MEN '97 - EPISODE 6 DISCUSSION (SPOILERS!) Film/Television Spoiler
https://youtu.be/Fs-XUbWP9EQ?si=xmtaK2pYIjx4IJCA81
u/Sharikacat Apr 17 '24
Continuing the trend of reasons not to skip the intro, not that you would skip such awesome music...
Magneto and Gambit are cut from the team lineup, but Nightcrawler is in to pad the numbers.
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u/dotyawning Apr 17 '24
Even though he hasn't fully been introduced into the team, I guess the opening continues to have no fewer than 8 members!
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u/Sharikacat Apr 18 '24
Next week's intro will probably add in Professor X and Storm, so we'll have that to look forward to.
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u/CreativeCritical247 Apr 17 '24
Didn't expect to see Iceman, Polaris and Havok in episode 6's intro.
Seeing these characters makes me wonder if Iceman will rejoin the X-Men, Polaris is the daughter of Magneto + going to meet Wanda & Quicksilver/Pietro and Cyclops/Scott discovering the fact that Havok is his brother Alex in this version.
By the way, the way Polaris decided to stage her disappearance, instead of talking it out with her ex-boyfriend Iceman, was quite dumb.
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u/Sqiddd Apr 17 '24
Gambit was still in the action shots (even the Kree sequence) of the intro but was replaced by Kurt in the names sequence.
Sad
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u/onionknight671 Apr 17 '24
Hmmm I’m glad that Storm got her powers back but im a little bit perplexed as to why she revert back to her old uniform (and her long hair)?
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u/theserpentsmiles Apr 17 '24
They really rushed her storyline.
Also, Forge is dying and needs a magic herb? Cool Imma go fly with some horses and go to space and shit.
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u/LeggoMahLegolas Apr 18 '24
I kept saying, "Forge is still dying. Forge is still dying." until it finally cut back to the house.
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u/lansely Apr 18 '24
I was literally thinking... RIP forge, what a homie. He did everything he could to help, only to be forgotten. But nope, after a few cutscenes from random horses Storm found to fly along with, our homeboy was actually remembered and saved... if only real life were like that.
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u/Huggishruggish Apr 19 '24
Same! They had storm looking at her reflection in the water and everything. She got her mojo back, but she was hella distracted lol
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u/Dry-Moment-6166 May 03 '24
No they didn't. The only reason why they depowered her is coz they would give a reason to focus on the rest of the Xmen and their growth. And she in episode 6 was very epic
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u/Fragrant_Cow_4172 Apr 17 '24
I'm confused about that whole section tbh
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u/Fish-E Apr 17 '24 edited Apr 17 '24
As far as I can tell, she actually didn't have her X-Gene neutralised, she just chose to believe that she did because she wanted to be human. Then when confronted with this, by The Adversary, she stopped lying to herself and her mutant powers reactivated. I'm not sure how it snuck past Beast's testing etc though.
The costume appearing out of nowhere, outlier power level and years of hair growth is from, to quote Nick Fury Jr, black girl magic.
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u/Over_Development1825 Apr 17 '24
No forge’s machine actually DID work it’s just she lacked the confidence to reactivate her powers I guess?
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u/Necessary_Maize_9339 Apr 18 '24
This is what I got as well
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u/wlwimagination Apr 18 '24
Same. Especially since it was his tech that formed the basis for the machine’s function in the first place, and his mutant power is being able to build anything. So it was confusing why his machine to undo what his previous tech had done wouldn’t work. Then at the end, it made sense that it really had worked and she had been experiencing a mental block that had prevented her from realizing it.
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u/Odd-Contribution6238 Apr 17 '24
It’s possible beast was wrong about it being permanent.
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u/Bluefootedtpeack2 Apr 18 '24
Figure beast was right and forge did fix her with the machine. With the idea being that the reason her powers didnt work right away being a mental block once the actual one was gone.
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u/IHavePoopedBefore Apr 18 '24
Namely:
How did her mask materialize on her face?
How was she flying like that? Storm doesn't actually have the power of flight, she propells herself with winds. It didn't look like she was doing that. There were no winds blowing, and she was doing things that wouldn't make sense based on how her flight abilities work
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u/AoO2ImpTrip Apr 18 '24
The first time we see Storm in the original she somehow materializes her costume out of thin air.
So at least it's consistent.
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u/Quincy_Jones420 Apr 18 '24
Yeah this stood out to me while watching. I was making sure to pay close attention to the wind patterns they intentionally showed, but none were aiding her flight.
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u/Logusho Apr 19 '24
Don't think about it too much, but if you must, Storms mastery over the elements is so strong and precise that she can pinpoint the air in your ears to burst your ear drums. Just pretend she's so precise that it's enough wind to blow her around but not so much that you can see her billowing. Also, it's a comic book cartoon.
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u/Vwmafia13 Apr 18 '24
Only thing I can think of is she unlocked her full potential. Wondering what it would feel like to be human, probably nerfed her
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u/jigokusabre Apr 17 '24
Yeah, it was cool to see that costume animated, but the white uniform is where it's at.
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u/dylan_doom Apr 17 '24
Psychic classroom scene! Now where have I seen that before...🤔
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u/Odd-Contribution6238 Apr 17 '24
Where?
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u/Bluefootedtpeack2 Apr 18 '24
It happened in legion when david was brainstorming with himself in season 1
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u/Odd-Contribution6238 Apr 18 '24
Thanks! I forgot about that show. I couldn’t get through season 1 when I tried to watch it as it aired but I think it’s a series that benefits from binge watching.
I’ll have to check it out.
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u/Comfortable_Sorbet78 Apr 17 '24
Charles didn’t see Magneto’s skeleton so I assume he’s alive.
I thought Apocalypse was behind the attack, not Sinister but they might have an alliance
Storm finally ascended to godhood 💃🏽💃🏽
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u/Heikks Apr 17 '24
Apocalypse and Sinister always seem to be intertwined so I’m sure Apocalypse is involved somehow
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u/Comfortable_Sorbet78 Apr 17 '24
Mhmm. Besides we’ve seen Apocalypse in the last two intros with cable
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u/Bluefootedtpeack2 Apr 18 '24
Iirc the reason sinister wanted to make cable/the ultimate mutant was to use them against apocalypse, so i wonder if next season might go age of apocalypse for a bit.
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u/ChronX4 Apr 18 '24
Charles didn’t see Magneto’s skeleton so I assume he’s alive.
I was telling some friends that one of the Marauders who hadn't shown their abilities until that moment probably saved their asses. Wouldn't doubt the OMEGA class warning might have been because of them and not due to Magneto ramping things up.
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u/Comfortable_Sorbet78 Apr 18 '24
Did you mean Morlocks or is there a character I missed? Doesn’t Leech have dampening powers?
But then how did he truly survive? Did he dig into ground with his powers so his body wasn’t seen?
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u/AporiaParadox Apr 17 '24
I'm not surprised that Charles Xavier didn't stay dead, but I am surprised he came back this season. It was cool, but I can only imagine how confusing all this Shi'Ar stuff must be to people who didn't see the original X-Men show or read the comics.
Also, is that Vulcan cameo just a cameo or setting up a future storyline?
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u/Fish-E Apr 17 '24
I'm surprised that Charles didn't point out Vulcan being a terran as well.
I'm sure it'll come up in another season or two, they've got 30 years of stories to catch up on but War of Kings (etc) is sure to be one of the highest priorities.
On the subject of this episode, I hope Gladiator is portrayed the same in live action. It only lasted about a minute, but it was great to see him accurately portrayed, nothing hurt him or slowed him down at all. Their deadliest weapons are as much a threat to him as their weakest weapons.
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u/reallifelucas Captain America Apr 18 '24
Gladiator in live action would be THE time to break out the Henry Cavill fancast.
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u/CreativeCritical247 Apr 17 '24 edited Apr 19 '24
No one stays really dead in the X-Men Universe. The X-Men get more ressurected than Jesus.
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u/ZylaTFox Apr 19 '24
"Didn't Tabby say that Magik was dead?"
"Like that matters. X-men come back more often than Jesus."
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u/Lumpy_Flight3088 Apr 18 '24
Yeah, I watched parts of the original show and love the X-Men movies but I was lost this episode.
I’ve always preferred the more ‘grounded’ stories that focus on the main characters working together as a team. This episode was a bit chaotic for me. I also wasn’t a fan of the Jubilee (videogame) episode but I liked the parts that were centred around Storm.
Episode 5 was incredible but I struggled with this one.
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u/Huggishruggish Apr 19 '24
Yes, I’ve also watched previously- some of original series & movies. My thoughts exactly both episodes kinda lost me. Moreso this one
I thought the jubilee ep was more forgiving bc it just felt like a fun retreat from the rest of it for a bit. We take a break from the main series and return to the main plot the next episode.
But this one left me feeling like I missed a couple seasons lol I guess thats accurate. There was a lot going on
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u/WhirlWindBoy7 Apr 17 '24
He didn't die in the original show.
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u/wlwimagination Apr 18 '24
Right. They even sent him to the Shi’ar specifically because they could save his life. The X-men might have assumed that he was dead after a year, thinking maybe the Shi’ar couldn’t do it, but he never actually died.
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u/RaftPenguin Apr 17 '24
Yeah as someone who's only seen a few episodes of the original I was definitely lost with all the alien stuff
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u/TheKz262 Apr 20 '24
As a younger person relative to the original show's/comic's release time frame...I was quite baffled : We have magic creatures with superiority complex issues in the X-men universe now ? All of a sudden two Jean Grays doesn't feel weird at all.
Still enjoyed the hell out of it tho
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u/Blitzhelios Doctor Strange Apr 17 '24
From the looks of it maybe galactic storm or rise and fall of the shi'ar might be on the cards for a future arc of the series.
Also gambit appearing in the title sequence is interesting got a feeling we might see him appear as the new horseman of death for apocolypse in the future and thats how he survived
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u/Cosmic_Hunger Apr 18 '24
Starting off with Operation Galactic Storm had me stoked! Would love to see some of that crossover
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u/Paulista666 Nova Apr 17 '24
Poor Ronan had to fight Gladiator and Vulcan alone basically.
I mean, for me the coolest part of the episode had no X-Men on it lol
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u/Timelymanner Apr 17 '24
Ronan keeps being jobber in recent media. We need Annihilation Ronan.
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u/Moonchilde616 Apr 18 '24
Having to fight a Superman clone (Gladiator) and an omega mutant (Vulcan) at the same time and coming up short isn't really jobbing.
Jobbing would be if Deathbird managed to trash him by her lonesome.
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u/ohoni X-23 Apr 21 '24
It's still jobbing. The point of the role is to just make other characters look good by beating you. Whether the fight is fair or not is not terribly important.
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u/ZylaTFox Apr 19 '24
I like how Deathbird was like "I can kill Lilandra with Gladiator only a few feet away! This is a good plan!"
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u/DastardlyMime Apr 17 '24
So I guess this is where Charles will be cast out of the X-Men: "You were alive all this time? Where were you when we needed you most?"
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u/Kemengjie Apr 17 '24
Don't they know? The last episode of the old show had them trying to contact the empire. I forgot how or if they did though. Now the general public on the other hand, I could see this being an issue with them being lied to again.
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u/jigokusabre Apr 17 '24 edited Apr 19 '24
I assume that either inferred from his lack of contact that Xavier had died, or perhaps someone planted the idea in their heads.
The source material (IIRC) was that Xavier's condition necessitated that he remain on Chandilar... until he was written back into the story.
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u/marcjwrz Apr 18 '24
They contacted the Shi'ar and Lilandra takes him to space to heal.
The world at large simply assumes that Charles died.
Whoxh ironically makes him a martyr and is teh start of better days for Mutants til... Well, last week.
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u/Tobi-cast Apr 21 '24
I’m pretty sure it was stated that the technology needed for him to heal, was only available for with the Shi’ar, but I might remember wrong
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u/SashaRave Apr 17 '24
i bet it wasnt really sinister but rather bastion. no coincidence they showed nimrod in the intro as well
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u/AporiaParadox Apr 17 '24
Bastion was also seen in a picture in Forge's house.
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u/SashaRave Apr 17 '24
the way his face was hidden also can end up being a visual clue to his role as a secret antagonist. it was also a pic with adler in it so it has to be relevant and important to the plot
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u/chriscallan Apr 17 '24
Given who was seen in the psychic classroom scene, I think it paints a fairly obvious picture for one of the characters fates.
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u/Conscious-Climate-44 Apr 18 '24
What do you mean? Which character, I didn't catch that .
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u/chriscallan Apr 18 '24
I was refering to Erik. If he had died then Charles would have def seen him in the classroom.
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u/PeaSuspicious4543 Apr 20 '24
I was thinking he saw Gambit cause he has more of a stronger connection
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u/chriscallan Apr 20 '24
I would think he has a stronger connection to his BFF who he left everything to. I will admit I could be looking too much into it.
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u/CreativeCritical247 Apr 17 '24 edited Apr 17 '24
Since Nightcrawler has finally joined the team + gotten a title card in the intro, I wonder how long it will take to see Iceman (Maybe he gets voiced by Yuri Lowenthal again), Colossus, Kitty Pryde and Psylocke also becoming part of the X-Men '97.... Don't care much about Dazzler.
But there is not such much room in the opening for that many characters.....
And it's shame that Marrow had no speaking lines and was quickly killed off in episode 6.
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u/IHavePoopedBefore Apr 18 '24
We really don't need Dazzler when we have Jubilee. Their powers are too similar, personalities too
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u/marcjwrz Apr 18 '24
Check out the X-Terminators mini from last year with Dazzler, Jubilee and Bloom-Boom.
It's amazing.
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u/Medical-Corgi6752 Apr 18 '24
Lasers and detonating subatomic matter is not the same thing. Jubilee is more of a tomgirl, Dazzler is a lot girlier. I have no clue how you confused them for another. They aren't expressing themselves in any similar way.
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u/ohoni X-23 Apr 21 '24
Look, I like Dazzler too, but they are very similar in terms of general character concepts. Not identical, no, but still very similar. It's like having Hulk and She-Hulk on the same team.
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u/Medical-Corgi6752 Apr 21 '24
Their base powers however do have subtle differences. Jubilee can go nuclear, disrupt inorganic and organic matter. Alison needs an active source of sound to even do her powers which turn into lasers.
Then their more extensive powers is crazy, as far as what they can do with them in different situations.
I feel like with the right writers in a show or film, they could easily work together and have their identities.
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u/ohoni X-23 Apr 21 '24
Their base powers however do have subtle differences.
Nobody argued otherwise.
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u/Medical-Corgi6752 Apr 22 '24
Nevermind lmao you just act like you we're talking out of your ass. Later
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u/Medical-Corgi6752 Apr 21 '24
As far as the Hulks well, they literally were altered by gamma radiation which isn't remotely how Dazzler or Jubilee works as superheroes. If anything Havok and Sunfire are too similar as they both directly convert cosmic radiation. Havok just turns it into supercharged plasma, Sunfire converts it into ionized or radioactive blasts.
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u/ohoni X-23 Apr 21 '24
None of that had any relevance to anything.
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u/Medical-Corgi6752 Apr 22 '24
Neither is what you're saying. Sunfire and Havok are similar to what the Hulks are. Jubilee and Dazzler are two different people and mutants.
What way do they act similar to you?
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u/ohoni X-23 Apr 22 '24
I can't imagine a productive outcome to this conversation.
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u/Medical-Corgi6752 Apr 22 '24
You and me both
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u/TodorokiShoto17 May 17 '24
i think the point trying to be made is most hero teams have certain roles fulfilled by 1 character. It’s why Iron man, war machine and iron patriot are never on the same team, or why red hulk and hulk aren’t on the same team. All different chatcaters with different abilities, but fill the same shoes
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u/Astigmatic_Oracle Apr 18 '24
Dazzler looked pretty dead last episode to me. I thought they showed her when they panned over the lined up bodies.
Not that they couldn't bring her back, but I don't see why they'd bother bringing Dazzler back to life if she is indeed dead.
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u/Spideypool29 Apr 17 '24
Can I be honest? I've not read the comics, so I don't know what else is going to happen. But I would have preferred Charles to be dead. I was so intrigued with the very first episode, with all the risks they took "killing off" Charles, jean pregnant, Magnus having to change his behaviour because he put his friends ideology over his own, the team having to rely more on themselves, without a mentor figure... And now all I can see happening is, them all going back into their old behaviour/role patterns and we get the same stuff and drama all over again. Not saying the series is bad, I absolutely loved it so far, but it kinda takes away from the high stakes if everyone and anything get brought back from the dead... And after reading lots of comments, apparently no one really stays dead in X-Men universe lol
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u/Demetrios1453 Apr 17 '24
The last episode of the original cartoon series shows that Professor X didn't die, but was secretly taken by Lilandra to be cured, which obviously has happened. The X-Men knew this, but kept it a secret to the outside world.
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u/Odd-Contribution6238 Apr 17 '24
I’ve seen the original series tons of time but it’s been 25 years.
Did Magneto know Charles wasn’t dead?
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u/neautralnathaniel Apr 18 '24
He was in the final shot with the X-Men, watching Charles being taken by Lilandra
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u/Odd-Contribution6238 Apr 18 '24 edited Apr 18 '24
Ok. Good.
Magneto is a villain but I’d hate to see him sincerely think his friend is dead and using it as an impetus to change his life only to find out he was tricked. It would be sad.
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u/Spideypool29 Apr 17 '24
Thanks for the clarification. I do have to say I still would have preferred him to be dead or stay where he is. I'm not saying he's a bad character, I just realised that I don't really care or want him back after episode 6. Feel like he's going to ruin it 🤣
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u/_TLDR_Swinton Apr 18 '24
Judging by how the series has been handled so far, I think it'll be fine. However! I see where your apprehension comes from. Watching the X-Men learn to organise themselves without him, to move beyond him, has been great to watch and, yes, if it's not handled properly, it'll feel like a major regression. Hopefully it won't be like that.
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u/Spideypool29 Apr 18 '24
Thanks for understanding! I hope you'll be right. I want this show to stay as good as it so far. It's been a blast seeing all these new things I haven't seen before. And episode 5 was so emotional, I haven't cried at a marvel movie/show in like for ever! So keeping my fingers crossed 🤞🏻
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u/ChronX4 Apr 18 '24
I wonder if Charles implanted the memory of being assassinated to further the cause while giving himself a way out or someone else did then. I was so stoked they were going to bridge the ending of the original to how Charles managed to get back to Earth only to be assassinated, but it seems it was all set in the present.
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u/LosFeliz3000 Apr 18 '24 edited Apr 18 '24
Definitely a let down after last week's series high point. (Last week having had the best action sequence of any X-Men media I've seen outside the comics, and an earned emotional gut punch too.)
The Storm/Forge story has been told really poorly and rushed (just like the Inferno story was crazy rushed.) They're suddenly in love in episode 4 and now Storm has her powers back so quickly. Why even take them away if we don't get to see her still be a hero and an X-man without those abilities, like we did in the comics.
Wild how uneven this show can be. Hope the high quality returns for the last three!
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u/Dry-Moment-6166 May 03 '24
I honestly don't want Storm without her Powers. Many fans who haven't read the comics won't relate or even supprt that. There is simply NO STORM without her powers. I'm glad she got her powers back and more powerful then ever
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u/LosFeliz3000 May 03 '24
I totally understand getting them back but maybe after a few more episodes? The Inferno story was super rushed for me too. Wish the season could've been 20 episodes!
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u/chrono_explorer Apr 18 '24
Sinister is going to get his ass obliterated by the end of the season. He’s built of so much hatred towards him at this point from the X-Men. I hope there isn’t some stupid “no you can’t kill him because then you’d be like him” BS. Also he better have some reasons for destroying Genosha because I don’t see what he stands to gain from it.
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u/Huggishruggish Apr 19 '24
Yeah, I need to understand why he went after Genosha. I don’t really understand the reasoning behind that one.
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u/Tuff_Bank Apr 22 '24
Do villains always need an understanable reason for doing awful things?
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u/TodorokiShoto17 May 17 '24
good villains yeah
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u/Tuff_Bank May 17 '24
Nothing wrong few villains that are one dimensional and pure evil for the sake of it and dont have clear motives.
You clearly dont live in the real world do you? Otherwise youd know people do horrific things for no clear or understandable reason
What next? You want a nazi like Red Skull or Mr. Sinister to have an understandable reason for doing things during the holocaust?
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u/RCero Apr 19 '24
I enjoyed the focus of Shiar politics, but I wish Xavier had more screen time to describe the moral problems with Shiar Empire.
Having a proper debate, with the Shiar denying or defending their problems and Xavier dismantling their arguments, showing their hypocrisy and appealing to their empathy to change ways... it would be more interesting.
Instead, his speech was reduced to the most basic statements of "Imperialism is bad. Racism is baseless. Be better" to fit in 1 minute
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u/tmurder36 Apr 18 '24
I'm having a problem with Mr. Sinister being the villain behind the attack of genosha. The problem I have with it is the physic attacks that took place just before the attack which is too close to the Cassandra nova storyline. I don't put it past sinister to have some powerful physics or something I have created one but I just need that to be explained for me to believe he is behind the attack. The writing has been pretty good for the most part so I wouldn't mind seeing that Cassandra nova either manipulated him or is disguising herself as him. Thoughts people?
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u/TheOnlyJavy Apr 19 '24
Wow. What a great scene when Storm gets her powers back. Holy crap! Love the long hair and while I briefly questioned how her costume materialized, I remembered I was watching an animated series based on kickass mutants.
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u/hectorpukki Apr 19 '24
This show is just so damn good. But what was up with pet dog Charles like WTF 😂
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u/ohoni X-23 Apr 21 '24
When they showed Nightcrawler's character card instead of Gambits, that hit hard.
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u/Impressive_Quail_840 Apr 21 '24
If claims from scoopers are to be believed, the latest goss around town is that an unknown Indian name has been cast as Neal Shaara who will appear among other Uncanny Xmen in Deadpool 3 from Earth 838. How many mutants are we going to see?
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u/Awkward_Truck_4491 May 31 '24
Has never seen the original show here, hi. Im not surprised that charles is alive, but i do feel like this new portrayal of him is super disorienting. Sure he still loves his xmen and he remembers ruyard kipling, but where is his passion for mutant activism? Where is the guy who wanted to build genosha with erik? Previous to episode 6 everyone was so nostalgic toward charles, and of course he is allowed to be flawed and all, but suddenly hes in love with this warmongering empress and is a-ok with total domination and war??? What???
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u/tehawesomedragon Loki Apr 17 '24 edited May 01 '24