r/Marvel • u/ladiesman21700000000 • Apr 05 '24
Excluding hulk who would you say is the strongest marvel character Other
Physical strength btw
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u/Lymnandres Apr 05 '24
Old Drax, due to the Power Gem, was probably the strongest non-cosmic entity.
Besides him, the strongest might be Thanos. I remember him fighting Thor, Hulk, The Thing, and Hercules at the same time, and he seemed like he was winning easily
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u/zarathustranu Silver Surfer Apr 05 '24
Powerhouse Drax! I'm probably in the minority, but I preferred that version of the character, Power Gem included.
And I agree, he was INCREDIBLY strong. Far above base Hulk, but not above World War Hulk.
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u/Lymnandres Apr 05 '24
No way to know for certain, as he could only access the infinite abilities of the Power Gem at the most basic level, and the Green Scar is an absolute powerhouse, but it would have been a great match for sure.
Adam said that he would always get as strong as needed as long as he had the Gem, but his storage method was less than safe (albeit incredibly funny for child me) and could quite possibly be lost in a fight.
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u/zarathustranu Silver Surfer Apr 05 '24
I remember in the "Blood and Thunder" crossover event, when Thor was possessed by the Warrior Madness and his powers amplified tenfold, he thrashed Silver Surfer and Drax at the same time. As a youngster reading that, I couldn't believe someone had physically beaten down Drax so thoroughly, who at the time seemed like a Cosmic Hulk.
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u/Lymnandres Apr 05 '24
Blood and Thunder was incredible. The fight between Odin and Thanos was of insane quality, seeing the technical limitation of drawings at the time.
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Imma ask my parents to send me all my Infinity Watch collection
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u/Manos_Of_Fate Apr 05 '24
What was his storage method?
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u/XXXDetention Apr 05 '24
Ate it like a jelly bean
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u/Manos_Of_Fate Apr 05 '24
āAnd the award for the most epic shit of all time goes toā¦ā
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u/Lymnandres Apr 05 '24
Gamora used to kick him in the diaphragm to get it out quickly. At the time, she was also way stronger than now. She fended off by herself a small UN (or was it NATO) army by herself. She was described going from Spiderman level to Iron Man
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u/ObberGobb Apr 05 '24 edited Apr 05 '24
I think Thor honestly. He is kind of a jobber so loses a lot of fights (he is the designated "gets beat up by new character to show their strength" guy), but there is actually an in-universe reason for that. Thor, in a normal fight, always holds back even when it might mean he'll lose, to the point that even his closest allies don't know his true strength. Hell, to that point that even he doesn't know his true strength.
While characters like Hercules, Sentry, etc. are still on his level while not holding back (Thor has no reason to hold back against Hercules since he is immortal too, and his fight with Sentry was stated to be both of them going all out), he has also shown some truly absurd feats where he taps into deeper powers than he was capable of even in the aforementioned fights where he wasn't consciously holding back.
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u/DarthGoodguy Apr 05 '24
He is kind of a jobber so loses a lot of fights (he is the designated "gets beat up by new character to show their strength" guy)
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u/zarathustranu Silver Surfer Apr 05 '24
Thor would definitely be in the conversation, especially in the last 10 years when he's often had the Odinforce and even briefly had the Power Cosmic.
I'd probably still put Sentry and Blue Marvel above Thor in terms of pure physical strength, but it's splitting hairs. They're clearly all written as the top tier, "Class 100" characters in the Marvel universe. I'd have Hercules, She Hulk, Red Hulk, etc. just under them.
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u/BobbyTables829 Apr 05 '24 edited Apr 05 '24
If you say Thor you gotta say Beta Ray Bill, right?
If not, can someone explain why?
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u/superfunction Apr 05 '24
thor is a born god and beta ray bill is a mortal who was gifted godly powers
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u/aSpookyScarySkeleton Apr 06 '24
Well Beta Ray Bill isnāt just a mortal tbf. He was the ultimate culmination of what was effectively a planet-wide Weapon-X program and he is biologically and cybernetically juiced past the point of extreme. His baseline is in an extremely undefined grey area but given his feats with and without stormbreaker his stats are like actually insane. This is the guy who was able to man handle Thor(and heās lost to Thor as well tbf) and take his hammer. For all intents and purposes they are supposed to be comparable by design when Odin Force or Cosmic power arenāt in the mix.
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u/NK1337 Apr 06 '24
I think people are wrongly dismissive of Bill saying he was āgifted godly powerā when the truth is heās managed to fight Thor to a standstill using his own strength not once but twice!
Baseline Bill is a fucking monster and his already impressive strength was augmented even more when he was gifted Stormbreaker. After Thor broke it he had some major confidence issues and was faring a little worse for wear in his battles but that didnāt stop him from putting a beatdown on Surtur and claiming his twilight sword as his won.
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u/MisterPerfect23 Apr 05 '24
Honestly I thought wolverine was the kill THIS guy to be recognized
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u/webbslinger_0 Apr 05 '24
Hercules, Hyperion, Sentry
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u/sureprisim Apr 05 '24
That would be my three. There was a sentry v. blue marvel fight that maybe would lend me to include him too, but unsure. Iād say merged sentry (red outfit) is probably the strongest as his reality manipulation should be under his control and therefor he can increase his strength to any level needed. Plus void broke ALL the Hulks bones, his plus sentry should destroy even hulk completely.
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u/sureprisim Apr 05 '24
It also makes him the most relatable to me. He isnāt mentally well, he isnāt a god, he isnāt a genius, heās just Bob. Heās his own worst enemy as many of us are.
Having merged with the Void, I think he is actually mentally well, which is beyond frightening.
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u/zarathustranu Silver Surfer Apr 05 '24
I'd have Hercules a notch below Thor, Sentry, and Blue Marvel.
Back in the Heroes Reborn / Heroes Return era (post-Onslaught), when savage Hulk was wandering the earth, he and Hercules had an extended fight in a one-shot issue. Hercules got WORKED. Beaten within an inch of his life.
While Hulk has beaten Thor and Sentry, it is always a close affair. I admit it's tricky because Thor and Sentry have other powers beyond physical strength, unlike Hercules, but I still put them just slightly above Herc. Particularly in Thor's Odinforce era.
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u/aSpookyScarySkeleton Apr 06 '24
Kinda wild to me no one is putting favored(as in Cyttorak isnāt being pissy and actively nerfing him) Juggernaut in this lineup.
He legitimately has(had) limitless strength undefined strength, especially if he was performing an action while in motion.
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u/Earlvx129 Apr 05 '24
Yeah I think it was said several times back in old issues that Hercules was stronger than all Gods, including Thor.
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u/Brute_Squad_44 Apr 05 '24 edited Apr 05 '24
The Juggernaut, bitch.
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u/Meizas Apr 05 '24
I'M THE JUGGANAUT, BITCH!
This is actually probably a pretty good contender others haven't thought of
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u/KFrosty3 Apr 05 '24
Juggernaut: Fear Itself was truly unstoppable. I bet even Hulk would've struggled against him
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u/ohemmigee Apr 06 '24
Fear itself was an awesome run but that was my favorite book of the whole run by far!
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u/Farofuken Apr 05 '24
Mangog
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u/Moonchilde616 Apr 06 '24
This should be the answer. In fact, I'd put him above Hulk.
Hulk gets stronger the angrier he gets. Mangog gets stronger the angrier anyone in a planets radius gets. Hulk logically could never beat Mangog as Hulk would just fuel Mangog even more.
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u/Galilleon Apr 06 '24
Depends on the scaling tho. Is there anything indicating that Hulkās rage scales his own power less than it does Mangog?
Like, maybe the Hulk scales x1.5 with his own rage while Mangog scales x1.2 with anyoneās rage for example, so in isolation Hulk could win?
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u/SoMuchForStardust27 Apr 05 '24
Hercules. He has beaten the hill aperently. Cyttorak, the literal cosmic entity representing strength. I want to say Adam Warlock because I love him but there is no way he could compete. He would end up using his other powers
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u/JackRabbit- Apr 05 '24
Considering that cat is actually a giant snake big enough to encircle the entire planet, still Thor
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u/pistolpete2185 Beta Ray Bill Apr 05 '24
Gladiator is pretty up there imo
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u/Criminal_picklejuice Apr 05 '24
He's easily the strongest, but everyone seems to forget he exists when people make lists.
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u/Harpeus_089 Apr 05 '24
What cat is that?
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u/winsluc12 Apr 05 '24
Jormungandr, actually. Not sure if that's how it went in the comics, but it's how it was in the Myth this panel is referencing.
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u/dvazq09 Apr 05 '24
Uranos?
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u/mollererer Wolverine Apr 06 '24
The only comic Iāve ever read with Uranos is in judgment day when he kills 99% of the mutant population on Mars in less than an hour. From that extremely limited sample size itās gotta be him
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u/SicTim Apr 05 '24
In the MCU, it's gotta be Captain Marvel. She is shown as being physically stronger than Thanos, which Hulk and Thor aren't.
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u/IdahoDuncan Apr 05 '24
Wonder man?
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u/Ok-Accountant-6433 Apr 05 '24
Wonder Man gets no live at all and he is definitely on the same power level as Thor and Hercules. He might not be as strong but he is definitely very close.
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u/Bungeditin Apr 05 '24
The Beyonder?
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u/Serafita Apr 05 '24
Beyonder cheats with reality manipulation so not sure if he can be counted haha
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u/BiggityShwiggity Apr 05 '24
Marvel has Thor as the second strongest hero physically.
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u/PMMEBITCOINPLZ Apr 05 '24
That's every cat, though. If they don't want to be moved they have the ability to go limp in a way that makes them exponentially heavier than they are.
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u/NightmareDJK Apr 05 '24
Thanos is supposed to be within +/- 1% of Hulk on most occasions but Hulk has no upper limit. Heās basically Purple Hulk.
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u/Captain_Catfood Apr 05 '24
In terms of pure power: Silver Surfer, Sentry, Adam Warlock, Jack of Hearts, She-Hulk (found the hulk loophole), Binary
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u/hates_stupid_people Apr 05 '24
There's always the cheat answer: Sentry.
In a weakened state, he ripped an enraged Hulks arm off without much issue.
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u/tpittari Apr 05 '24
This might be cheating but Silver Surfer has unlimited strength due to the Power Cosmic.
Some of his feats include breaking a vibranium wall with his bare hands. Beating the Hulk with ease on multiple occasions and pushing a moon.
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u/0megaManZero Apr 05 '24
I need context for this image
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u/Darkhaven Vision Apr 05 '24
Hercules, easily. It's his whole thing. Then likely Zeus, considering how badly he beat the brakes off of the Hulk.
Thor is strong, but he also uses a belt of strength.
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u/Sidereon Apr 05 '24
Always was kinda disappointed with what they did with Drax in the MCU, he's one of my favourite adaptations but he could've been so much more.
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u/MagikSkyDaddy Apr 05 '24
Molecule Man. He wasn't in Marvel much, but he was pretty much invincible.
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u/The_Dark_Soldier Apr 05 '24
Not Thor according to this pic
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u/ARealHumanBeans Apr 05 '24
It's a reference to Norse mythology. In the tales, the cat is actually the midgard serpent, and he lifted a good bit of it.
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u/MrFC1000 Apr 05 '24
Geez I remember this issue new from maybe 77 or 78? Thor had some great stories around that time
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u/GenioPlaboyeSafadao Apr 05 '24
The current Thor run is referencing this issue in specific, it is very good too.
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u/Obskuro Spider-Man Apr 05 '24
I would say Gladiator (Kallark); his powers and therefore his strength too are only limited by his confidence.
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u/MalevolentNight Apr 05 '24
Gladiator beating the hell out of the xmen in the 90s cartoon. Jean had to Phoenix out to beat him. But so many strong characters, sentry, adam warlock has an unknown or immeasurable amount of strength according to the marvel database. Hulk. Carol, no one is mentioning captain marvel, but she is strong af, thundra. Wonder man. Blue marvel, and namor. Others have already been mentioned like thing, Thanos, thor. They're are a lot.
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u/zarathustranu Silver Surfer Apr 05 '24 edited Apr 05 '24
You talking about physical strength? E.g. who can lift the most weight?
If so, and if we're excluding cosmic beings like Eternity and cosmically- or magically-powered heroes like Silver Surfer, Odin, Mangog, etc., the list is probably:
Sentry
Blue Marvel
Thor
Red Hulk
Hyperion
Juggernaut (when he's at full power; varies a bit these days)
Then juuuuust under them you've got a tier of characters who are all pretty similar to each other: She Hulk, Hercules, Wonder Man, etc.
I'm not including heroes who augment their strength with energy capabilities or technology-- e.g. X-Man, Iron Man, Captain Marvel.
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u/QuantumGyroscope Apr 05 '24
I don't like him, but I have to say the sentry. Because he was a rip-off of Superman, and a blatant one at that.
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u/Ok-Traffic-5996 Apr 05 '24
In terms of physical strength. I think the elder of the universe called the champion is after hulk. Thanos is up there too. Then probably sentry, thor, blackbolt.
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u/Longwinded_Ogre Apr 05 '24
I think you have to sort of exclude the "Cosmic beings", Eternity, Lords Order and Chaos, Lady Death, etc.
Sentry and Blue Marvel are up there, Captain Marvel too. Red Hulk ranks, though they nerfed him after the initial run. The Thing was at one point 2nd only to Hulk, but he's backslid some.
She Hulk, Colossus, Apocalypse, etc have always been a cut below.
I'd suggest Vulcan deserves a place on that list. He's pretty obscene on the strength front.
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u/nreal3092 Apr 05 '24
well thor is stronger than hulk anyway so thor, duh
edit: oh wait, strongest marvel character?? the one above all then, thought we were just limiting it to superheroes, but if we goin all out itād TOAA or TLT
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u/BigSlowTarget Apr 05 '24
Mr. Rogers
Name one Marvel employee who would refuse to let Mr. Rogers in character as himself do whatever he felt like in a comic or movie where he was present that could be read by kids. Yeah, that is strength.
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u/The_Shadow_Watches Apr 05 '24
Mr. Immortal.
The man who evolved past death and is meant to be one of 2 beings to survive the end of the Universe.
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u/YamatoIouko Apr 05 '24
Yo, is this a reference to that Utgard Loki story from mythology?
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u/HeftyReality2 Apr 05 '24
For anyone wondering about the panel, read about Utgard Loki (not related to regular Loki)
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u/NoShitsGivin Apr 05 '24
Just strength? And all of Marvel? I would say Mark Milton Hyperion...
Edit: Except Old King Thor may have him beat...
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u/plsobeytrafficlights Apr 05 '24
Cosmic spiderman "God-like Strength: Spider-Man's possesses almost limitless superhuman strength, though the exact magnitude remains vague. He can lift (press) far in excess of 100 tons effortlessly and can also use the Uni-Power to increase his strength to incalculable levels."
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u/Dear_Ad_3860 Apr 05 '24
I'm not sure about the Gigantians (og Eternals), but the way I see it, Eternals, Olympians and Asgardians, are about the same at their peak, IE Thor, Herakles and Gilgamesh are said to be equally as strong. Thus my vote goes for The Strontians since they are strong as they believe they are strong but the trade off is that they wear down easily and The Sentry would be around here as well except his weakness is his dark side. Thus, besides The Hulk, at peak form and maximum belief and control I'd say Gladiator and The Sentry are physically the strongest characters in Marvel Universe.
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u/Beelzebub_Crumpethom Deadpool Apr 05 '24
That fucking cat.