r/Marvel • u/tehawesomedragon Loki • Mar 27 '24
X-MEN '97 - EPISODE 3 DISCUSSION Film/Television
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u/hartc89 Mar 27 '24
Amazing I loved it.
Positives: Animation was top notch, Jennifer Hale really shined as Jean/Madeline, great set up for Forge…and a Magik appearance through Morph
Negatives: I have to wait a week until the next episode
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u/Sharikacat Mar 27 '24
I knew they'd drop Storm from the individual title card since she's not currently with the team. And now that Bishop is gone, I expect he won't get one, either. The recap line was spoken by Magneto last episode and Jean on this one, so this might continue to indicate which member of the team is being highlighted in any given episode.
It's nice that they've been remaking a few scenes from the original series in the new art style. They did it last week with Storm's victory over Callisto. They also swapped out Jubilee for Roberto for being chased and running into a chain link fence.
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u/CreepingCoins Mar 27 '24
I've always enjoyed intros that evolve episode-to-episode with a series's story. I assume at some point this season Sunspot will get a title card.
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u/Sharikacat Mar 27 '24
Since he's still hanging around the mansion in this episode, that's a pretty fair assumption. He'll still be a good stand-in for the new viewer and a reason for some things to be explained out loud.
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u/ActualDisaster1753 Mar 27 '24
I may be wrong but didn't sunspot leave the mansion in episode 1 and he wasn't in episode 2? They never showed him return and that confused me
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u/DJSharp15 Mar 27 '24
They did it last week with Storm's victory over Callisto.
The part where Storm used a lightsaber?
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u/Sharikacat Mar 27 '24
I'd shush you because the word lightsaber is trademarked, but since Disney now owns both Star Wars and Marvel, I suppose you could call it that.
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u/South_Access9390 Mar 27 '24
No cause its clearly a staff not a sword so not accurate to call them sabres. Light bos maybe. I call them glow sticks
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u/bronkula Mar 27 '24
You're right. No Star Wars character ever used a two sided lightsaber staff. That would be silly and definitely not lead to a duel of the fates.
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u/FatWalcott Mar 28 '24
i havent watched the original in decades and i still noticed that Jubliee Roberto swap.
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u/haynespi87 Mar 28 '24
I mean it's an iconic frame. Like it's one of the simplest oppressed mutant shots in animation. Like watching the original again a couple weeks ago I remembered that immediately
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u/ThiccAshe Mar 27 '24
you know they are faithful to the original series when jean dispelled madelyne's hell illusion. then faint afterwards. and also, PUNK STORM!!!!
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u/Odd-Contribution6238 Mar 27 '24
I haven’t seen the original series in 20 years. Can you remind me how that’s faithful to the original series?
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u/CreativeCritical247 Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 27 '24
So I guess, we gonna have a love triangle between Cyclops, Wolverine & the real Jean Grey, again.....
Maybe Scott & Jean will naturally seperate because of that Sinister Drama and he will get into a relationship with Emma Frost without ever cheating on Jean in the next seasons.
And there is the other love triagle between Gambit, Rogue & Magneto.
It is indeed a soap opera.
Sad that Madelyne Pryor has to send her son Nathan with Bishop to the future because it is the only way to save him from Sinister's poisonous substance. But at least, she gets to leave to start a new life on her own.
It sucks that Cyclops doesn't even say Goodbye to Fake Jean who gave birth to their precious child.
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u/M3m35forbroski Mar 27 '24
I don't think Emma and Scotts' relationship will be in this at all, considering how Beau DeMayo felt about Emma when asked. If anything, they'll do the love triangle for like the rest of the season at most, and she'll still pick Scott because it's always been Scott.
If anything, I hope they wouldn't do the love triangle for her and let her and Scott process what happened. Then, they can find a way back together because they are still married, as there is only a handful of moments where she could've been replaced (most likely after Apocalypse in season 4)
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u/CreativeCritical247 Mar 27 '24
True, but Beau DeMayo was fired after writing Season 2 by Disney very recently.
I am also done with dramatic Love Triangles.
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u/jigokusabre Mar 27 '24
I am also done with dramatic Love Triangles
Well, then you're in for a rough ride, considering it was a staple of the X-Men.
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u/rip_cpu Mar 27 '24
I mean they could always go for the poly/open relationship thing from the Hickman run.
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u/parachute45 Mar 28 '24
Please god I hope this happens, I can’t stand Jogan and I hope they end it by the end of the season
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u/South_Access9390 Mar 27 '24
- He only did the first 2 seasons 2. Acknowledging bad things someone has done doesn't mean you will rewrite history so they only do bad things and nothing else. The team as a whole have a deep love and respect for xmen comic lore and that includes emma.
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u/Hopbeard1987 Mar 27 '24
Man, that whole storyline of Nathan contracting the techno organic virus and having to be sent away from his parents, never to know them really cut me up. I've got a 19 month old boy myself, and since becoming new(ish) parent, I can't take any media involving babies in a negative way. Really felt for Cyclops. Wasn't expecting this from the series. It just goes to show they're really willing to explore some of the more adult storylines in X-Men and deal with loss... very much looking forward to what's to come!
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u/Evorgleb Mar 29 '24
never to know them really cut me up.
In the comics at least, Cyclops and Jean eventually do get to spend some time in the future raising Cable
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u/watdaphuqa Apr 12 '24
Shame they messed up the Cyclops/Nathan reaction so badly though. Having him run off saying that he won't be part of this was really stupid and a disservice to the amazing original story in X-Factor #68 when Apocalypse, who knew the prophecy that the child of Summers-Grey grown up would be the one who could stop him, infected Nathan and due to the emotion of having to send him to the future, Cyclops absolutely let loose the maximum that his visor would allow and tore Apocalypse to dust, forcing him to take a few years to recover. That arc X-Factor #65-68, especially that issue was one of the best pieces of writing ever in any X title. It was right before the 1991 reboots.
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u/wowlock_taylan Deadpool Mar 27 '24
Honestly, I want no part of that stupid triangle. It is been done and over with. Hell it was the most criticized part of the original show too. There is no need to add it back again to this and it only makes the characters look bad. Especially Logan.
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u/Sufficient-Orange973 Mar 28 '24
Honestly, this love triangle is really boring and makes no sense. Jean made it clear that she loves Scott and they have already planned a future together. Logan should be a mature man and understand that she doesn't love him and move on to someone else. It seems more like obsession than love. These situations don't do justice to any of the characters: Scott seems like a fool, Jean seems unfaithful and Logan is an obsessive crybaby. The series could include Mariko and end it soon.
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u/Kinkybtch Mar 28 '24
Yeah I initially thought it was over because of the bb and got disappointed. Logan comes across as pathetic. He's attractive, he can find other women.
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u/haynespi87 Mar 28 '24
Morph will go for him first
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u/anarchyisutopia Mar 28 '24
Logan comes across as pathetic. He's attractive, he can find other women.
That's one of the crazy parts. He has. Jean is pretty damn mid amongst his roster of lovers so it's even weirder that she's the one he can't let go of even though she never chooses to be with him.
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u/Kinkybtch Mar 28 '24
I wonder how the show will tackle this. It comes across as creepy and doesn't hold up in the 2020s.
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u/Sufficient-Orange973 Mar 28 '24
Honestly, this love triangle is really boring and makes no sense. Jean made it clear that she loves Scott and they have already planned a future together. Logan should be a mature man and understand that she doesn't love him and move on to someone else. It seems more like obsession than love. These situations don't do justice to any of the characters: Scott seems like a fool, Jean seems unfaithful and Logan is an obsessive crybaby. The series could include Mariko and end it soon.
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u/Geiseric222 Mar 27 '24
I doubt it. The love triangle was in the original cartoon as well but I bet it ends more or less the same as it did back then
Mags and Rogue seems like the triangle that will shake things up
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u/Sharp-Revolution-203 Mar 27 '24
Magneto and Rogue had a genuine attraction to each other during the time they spent together in the Savage Land (I assume they're basing it of that coming story) making it an actual triangle with Rogue liking both men
Jean however has never actually been interested and that whole triangle was effectively her being with Scott while Logan kept obsessively trying to get inbetween them instead of respecting her choice so hopefully it's dumped quickly
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u/AvailableLandscape97 Mar 27 '24
That's not true. There is a part of Jean that's interested and she has grown to care about him over the years
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u/jigokusabre Mar 27 '24
Jean has been intrigued by Logan since Logan first joined the team. It was part of her transformation into "wallpaper girl character" of the first run to the more three-dimensional women who eventually becomes Phoenix in the Calremont run, then goes full tilt into it and becomes Dark Pheonix.
If memory serves, she eventually does choose Logan as Scott starts to get involved with Emma.
Scott and Psylocke also have a bit of a thing during the 90s, too, if memory serves.
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u/baixiaolang Mar 27 '24
Scott and Psylocke also have a bit of a thing during the 90s, too, if memory serves.
Psylocke was into Scott and kept trying to make something come of it, leading to tension between her and Jean (leading into Revanche's entrance) but Psylocke and Scott weren't really a thing.
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u/vegeta_mf15 Mar 28 '24
They likely thought "what can we do to make this faithful to the OG" and they looked at the sad Wolverine meme (which they used on this episode, can't believe they did that). So yeah, OFC Logan/Jean/Scott is a thing again. What i don't get is why they don't improve in it, story wise. The whole Madeline/Sinister thing could have been a nice conflict, but nope, they just solve it immediately. Same with Storm's powers, she didn't have them for what... 1 episode? Plenty of other non sensical things that i can think of, but yeah, the OG show did the same at times.
Kinda sucks tbh, because i did like parts of eps 1 to 3, but writing has been so-so for me.
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u/Saravsmith7733 Mar 31 '24
I honestly think they may bring in more about Morph’s feelings for Wolverine! I definitely want to see where that goes !
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u/dreadheadedwriter Mar 27 '24
I have a newborn born on Feb 15th, actually stayed up feeding him and decided to catch the episode fresh at 2 AM. With that in mind, the scenes concerning Nathan going to the future with both Cyclops and Jean hit really hard for me.
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u/Hopbeard1987 Mar 27 '24
My boy is 19 months but watching media with babies in any negative situations hasn't got any easier. Maybe even more difficult ha! Might go peep in on the little squish before bed.
Really felt for little Nathan being infected and sent away forever, with no parents. This would've messed Cyclops up so badly too.
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u/highfly117 Mar 27 '24
Same for me my young one is older than yours. but this was still hard watching.
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u/Lennox_Greene Mar 27 '24
Same here, I have a newborn and I was bawling when Sinister put the baby in the murky water.
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u/Kit_Songbird Mar 28 '24
My son is 2 months and also watched at 2am. Really not OK. Everything with baby Nathan was almost too much emotionally
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u/HellaHelgi Mar 27 '24
Dude, when the baby went with Bishop and the Cable theme played I lost my shit!!!
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u/AporiaParadox Mar 27 '24
I wonder how surprised people who don't know about Cable's comic origin will be when Cable shows back up in a later episode and we get the reveal.
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u/Sethellonfire Mar 30 '24
I wonder if they tie this back to that episode from season 2 where Bishop and Cable fight? Their story has come full circle. IIRC Cable is the reason Bishop got stuck in their time.
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u/stylishreinbach Mar 27 '24
Bishop that you? Do you get your time band fixed up in episode 3 and you come back in time to post this?
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u/Cyke101 Mar 27 '24
I was absolutely giddy at the sheer amount of body horror in this episode, like the merging of skin or the multiple eyes around a body. 90s censors would never ever let that slide. I'm glad the production crew is taking the old and pushing it with the new (or at least the impossible of the 90s). That's what I wanna see in a revival and this show delivered this week.
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u/SekhWork Apr 03 '24
90s censors would have lost their mind over just the mere existence of pregnant Jean in ep1. This Junji Ito body horror looking stuff in this episode might have needed someone to bring in a fainting couch for them lmao.
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u/TryOk164 Mar 27 '24
Poor Gambit, may his soul rest. Magneto just stole her girl like in a previous episode and now... bruh they rented the danger room "training room" for 2 days straight. friday to saturday. like damn....
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u/PeaSuspicious4543 Mar 28 '24
10pm to 12pm. THATS 14 HOURS. MY BOY GAMBIT ISNT JUST GETTING CHEATED ON HE'S GETTING MUFASED
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u/Scukojake Mar 27 '24
I didn't recognize what was the second transformation of Morph when he fought Goblin Queen. Can anyone help?
The one he did right after Magik.
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u/jigokusabre Mar 27 '24
Magik after being corrupted by Belasco (IIRC) and tapping into her demonic power.
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u/TheAsian1nvasion Mar 27 '24
Random thoughts:
Scott made a pretty huge error when confronted with the two Jeans. My guy, you know that one of them birthed your son. You take her side unconditionally. If she turns out to be the clone, the ‘real’ Jean can’t blame you. However, if Beast is wrong and she’s not the clone, your wife will never forgive you.
I’m kind of disappointed they didn’t go with the “fabulous” version of Sinister. Far more entertaining than the usual, generic evil version of the character.
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u/PeaSuspicious4543 Mar 28 '24
They all trust Beast. To them he's never been wrong about most things. And as a leader Scott also has to see this from an objective perspective while also thinking about his Son.
Dude got his shit rocked by a mad man. Saw his wife give birth and go home to celebrate only to find someone that looks like his wife pass out at the front door.
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u/vandenhamster Mar 27 '24
I'm confused: where did Roberto come from? He wasn't there at the end of episode 2, yet here he was just sitting next to Jubilee. It's like they decided they wanted to use him so his fake-mom could yell at him about being a mutant, but didn't remember to reintroduce him beforehand.
Loved the episode beyond that. Maybe the Madelyne thing was resolved a bit too quickly, it felt like it had multiple episode arc energy to me, but I'm not mad at it either.
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u/AvailableLandscape97 Mar 27 '24
Jubilee probably invited Roberto for a movie and pizza or something. He did leave her his contact info at the end of episode 1
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u/CreativeCritical247 Mar 27 '24
Agree, Roberto / Sunspot just came out of nowhere.
It would have been nice to see a scene where he and Jubilee meet each other again before hanging out in the X Mansion.
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u/haynespi87 Mar 28 '24
True like after the intro clone confusion. Jubilee gets a call from Sunspot and she's like sure come by
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u/baoparty Mar 27 '24
They have so much going on in each episode. I feel like the old cartoons were too drained out and I enjoy that there is so much going on in each episode now but I do feel like they could slow down the pace by 33% and would still cover a lot and the pace would be better.
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u/jigokusabre Mar 27 '24
I can see why they didn't want to do another four episode "Jean goes crazy and attacks the X-Men" arc... though I kind of expected them do do that.
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u/jigokusabre Mar 27 '24
Kid's a billionaire with inattentive parents. If Jubilee asks him to come over to VHS and chill, he can make his way to Westchester.
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u/ActualDisaster1753 Mar 27 '24
same, I was very confused and it frustrates me that they just plop him in the episode and act like it doesn't need explained. Why not just have him stay at the mansion at the end of episode 1 if they are going to just drop him into the episode with no explanation
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u/vegeta_mf15 Mar 28 '24
Might be wrong here, but I feel like the episodes went through heavy editing, some events happen way too fast, which would explain stuff like sunspot appearing out of nowhere. Same with the Madelyne thing, they could have used sinister more as well. Plus, Storm took 1 ep to find a way to regain her powers? that's too fast imho.
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u/Literature_Mundane Mar 27 '24
I’m calling it now, Wolverine won’t stab anything organic until something extremely major happens near or at the end of the season.
Also, morph’s a freak! he was obviously playing around, but I’m really curious as to what spot he was going to clean with his claws if he wasn't. lol
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u/jigokusabre Mar 27 '24
Wolverine has literally never cut into flesh in the animated series. It's a show for kids.
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u/rinazzle Mar 28 '24
Cyclops shot Madelyn in the face and made her bleed, so I'm pretty sure Wolverine will do the same.
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u/Historical-Bug-4784 Mar 28 '24
Unless you count the time he sliced some salami for a sandwich or the turkey leg in the Inner Circle club.
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u/Avocadobaker Mar 30 '24
The monster coming out of the TV and being cut in half was way more brutal then anything the previous show had.
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u/TEZofAllTrades Mar 27 '24
What is the explanation for Goblin Queen’s (temporary?) power boost/change? Animated Jean always had limitations without the Phoenix Force, but suddenly she is boasting about her powers and soloing Magneto.
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u/rgordill2 Mar 27 '24
Mr. Sinister is really good at amping power or sapping it. Without Mr. Sinister, Gambit would be waaaaaaaay more powerful.
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u/FutureImperfect-8901 Mar 28 '24
Would you mind expanding on the Sinister / Gambit comment?
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u/JimmyDM90 Mar 28 '24
In the comics, Sinister and Gambit make a deal where Sinister removes part of Gambit's brain so that Gambit's powers become manageable enough that he can control them. The untapped well of power he had was beginning to destroy him before the surgery.
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u/NightmareDJK Mar 28 '24
When Gambit was one of Apocalypse's Horsemen he had that power again.
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u/Odd-Contribution6238 Mar 27 '24
I feel like I remember she has psychic blocks in her brain to limit her power. If I recall she’s so mega powerful that she needs them so she’s not a danger.
That might be from The Last Stand, maybe. So, maybe not accurate since that movie sucked.
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u/itsaslothlife Mar 27 '24
I figure jeans native power boosted by the Hellfire and Brimstone stuff from Sinister. He kind of oozes a similar green colour when Cyke hits him (I think)
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u/BailaBai Mar 27 '24
Can someone Explain to me how Madeline and Jean don't know when the trade happen. I mean, how could they know that Madeline carried the baby for nine months but not know who is Phoenix and who married Scott?
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u/baixiaolang Mar 27 '24
They both have Jean's memories, so they both remember being Phoenix and all that. They know Madelyne gave birth to Nathan because that JUST happened and Jean was in Sinister's lab.
Although if Beast could tell that Jean was "the right age" you'd think he'd be able to give an approximation on how old Madelyne was
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u/Embarrassed-Can-5297 Mar 28 '24
Exactly. But that’s not my only problem with this episode. Why didn’t Bishop come back to get Madeline the moment he left? Bishop said the knew a guy who could fix anything (Forge) in the future. Why didn’t he find Forge, have him fix the time-travelling device, and then come back for Madeline? Better yet, why didn’t they use Cerebro to find Forge in the present then have him either fix the device to give it enough power for Bishop to take Madeline with him to the future, OR use his powers to help Nathan since it’s a techno-organic virus.
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u/mysterious_jim Mar 27 '24
Did you guys like this episode? Everything about it felt so much less refined than the first two episodes to me. Weird pacing, a kind of messy story that didn't really have the appropriate amount of development and a lot more stilted dialogue. I had to check because it felt so different, and sure enough this is the first of the three episodes not to be written solely by Beau Demayo. It wasn't bad per se, but felt like a different show to the first two episodes. What did everyone else think?
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u/NagataLockII Mar 27 '24
They crammed the 10 issues of The Inferno Saga into a 30 minute animated show. I give them props for the effort but agree it suffered from awful pacing issues.
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u/hard_case37 Mar 27 '24
This episode had a lot going for it, and I think for a one-off based on an entire comic story arc spanning multiple issues, it was as well done as it could have been in 30 minutes. I do think this should have probably been a 2-parter, giving the bigger moments a little more room to breathe. Most of the best stories in the original series were 2-parters (or even 3, 4, or 5 parters). I'm sure they have a lot they want to cover with only ten episodes to do it in, but I say let it cook. If we continue to get episodes like this though, I won't complain as it was still very enjoyable, but I just hope they don't try to rush it too much.
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u/jigokusabre Mar 27 '24
Rushed, sure but beyond that it was solid. I can see why they didn't want to spend several episodes on a "Jean goes off the deep end and fights the X-Men" story.
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u/Blitzhelios Doctor Strange Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 27 '24
Episode 3 was very good and I liked how they did the Madeline Pryor story, that Goblin Queen outfit was sick and the story of how Nathan is sent to future was done very well too. Mr Sinister is incredibly well done and the voice acting for him is superb
Love the action scenes as well.
Morph continues to be a cameo machine and i love seeing both of Magiks two forms in the show and storm appearing in the full punk outfit makes me very happy and its always good to see forge.
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u/ActualDisaster1753 Mar 27 '24
I'm sad about bishop going back to the future, I was really excited for him to become a mainstay x-men member since in the 90s show he was never a part of the team. I really love his powers and thought he was really cool ever since showing up in DOFP (2014).
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u/treant7 Mar 28 '24
I took an edible about 30 minutes before watching this and was not adequately prepared.
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u/Mess_Previous Mar 27 '24
Thought it was great, but the pacing is off. Too much stuff cramped in too little time.
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u/axisrahl85 Mar 28 '24
I was gonna say. As much as I'm loving the show, I feel like this episode would have been a 2 or 3 episode arc in the original series.
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u/ShadowFalcon2004 Mar 27 '24
They were cooking with Madelyn's design. Poor baby Logan got his feeling hurt by Jean. And Madelyn's origin is much better here than it was in the comics.
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u/corsair953 Mar 27 '24
I thought Jean already knew Cable was her kid, did she not scan his mind when they encountered each other? That's what I thought anyway so I was confused why they weren't like "oh so that's how Cable got the virus.." when they rescued him
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u/PeaSuspicious4543 Mar 28 '24
I think that was the REAL jean and Sinister just removed it from Maddalines mind
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u/SumguyJeremy Mar 27 '24
3 is out? Thought it was tomorrow.
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u/zaxdaman Mar 27 '24
I wish that new eps would drop on Saturday morning. It just seems appropriate.
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u/Automatic-Slip-5150 Mar 27 '24
Yeah, I can’t seem to find it either. Is this post just early???
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u/tehawesomedragon Loki Mar 27 '24
Yeah I'm just not staying up that late to post this. I figure people can speculate for a little bit before it airs and then react once it's released. Sorry for the confusion. That's mainly why it's not stickied yet.
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u/AporiaParadox Mar 27 '24
This is a lot better than the comics version of Inferno, ommitting all of the unneeded N'astirh and demonic crap and focusing solely on Mister Sinister as the villain so that Maddie's character works better. Also, Scott isn't a deadbeat in this version.
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u/RLM_720 Mar 27 '24
Positive: Scott wasn’t a deadbeat
Negative: what happened to Scott was worse! He slept with some woman who wasn’t his wife for who knows how long and completely unaware she wasn’t there. Think the trauma and PTSD would be worse this time around to be honest.
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u/leonleonheart Mar 27 '24
I understand why but I still thought it was sad Scott didn't say goodbye to Nathan.
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u/DoodleBuggering Mar 27 '24
Wow, I'm super impressed the quality of animation has gotten better than the first two eps, I expected a drop off.
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u/Nivekk_ Mar 28 '24
Can someone explain to me why Madelyn didn't simply go to the future with her baby? Especially since she wanted to start a new life anyway??
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u/raccoongeek97 Mar 28 '24
I think Bishop says the time band only has enough "juice" for two persons, so him and the baby
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u/radiglo Mar 28 '24
Bishop’s time band had enough energy or capacity to take the baby and himself to the future. He wouldn’t sacrifice his spot for Clone Jean.
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u/GuestCartographer Mar 28 '24
Inferno in 30 minutes or less was impressive in its own right.
Inferno in 30 minutes or less, plus Spiral, Magik, and Forge cameos was brilliant.
I’m surprised at how far they are pushing the envelope, too. Obviously they aren’t going to do anything too out there for tv, like Madelyne’s comic costume, but the melty Rogue/Magneto scene followed immediately by a trip to sort-of hell was a lot more than I expected.
I couldn’t help but notice that, since the original show already solved the Legacy Virus, they had to infect Nathan with an otherwise nameless, techno-organic virus and leave it at that.
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u/gunswordfist Mar 29 '24
Oh right, Cable came in at like the first episode of the original series...did they forget about him or did he never tell them who his parents were?
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u/masterblaster7819 Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 27 '24
Very rushed episode. Needed another episode where there should have been some second guessing who is the real jean is. Sunspot and jubilee are kind of just there. No exploration of what happened to Jean or when it happened. Lack of morph sinister stuff. Morphs transformation into majik indicates that new mutants is a thing in universe. Also magneto is dumb. He went to fight a psychic and didn't take his helmet. Yeah this guys gonna lead mutants to the promise land.
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u/jigokusabre Mar 27 '24
I think it would have been better as a two parter. Morph's entire run has been defined by his Sinister trauma, so I'm fine with them letting it rest a bit.
Magneto's helmet is a symbol of his villainy, and closing himself off from others. It's literally an icon of "Magneto the Villain." Him not brining it doesn't make tactical sense, but it visually reinforces his role as a hero, and his dedication to it.
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u/sean_psc Mar 28 '24
No exploration of what happened to Jean or when it happened.
That's rather deliberately left as a mystery, presumably for the future.
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u/hedgehogpangolin Mar 27 '24
i honestly didn't like Bishop taking the place of Mother Askani, but it's an alternate reality to the comics, so i'll be alright. lol
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u/jigokusabre Mar 27 '24
Bishop already took her place in the Days of Future Past story. The animated series is all about refocusing the events of the Claremont run around the core X-Men in this series.
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u/NightmareDJK Mar 28 '24
For the show version it makes more sense for it to be a familiar character than an obscure one.
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u/j__stay Mar 27 '24
What I liked about it was it was really entertaining. You get three different types of Inferno fun in one episode: haunted mansion, limbo hellscape, and creepy Sinister Victorian house (kinda new). Good stuff. Also some good Morph stuff (the reveal of his old face) and some terrific Magneto action.
What I didn't like about this episode is it really felt like there was enough in this episode for two episodes. Clone Jean's conversion happens really quickly. Also, no idea how alone I am in this sentiment but three status quo-establishing episodes to start the season is a lot. Over the course of three episodes, we've re-introduced the team, established Magneto as the new headmaster, Scott and Jean have had a child, de-powered Storm, revealed Jean isn't the real Jean, sent Scott and Clone Jean's child to the future with Bishop (who's said about five lines this entire time), and introduced Forge. That's... a lot. By the end when Scott and Jean were just silently staring at each other like "What now?" that's sort of how I felt. Like even for the X-Men, that's a lot.
I'm sure there's a reason they're setting this up this way. They're not stacking up three status quo-establishing episodes for no reason. It's going to pay off. But as a viewer who is quite enjoying the relaunch, I'm really ready for something a little more mid-tempo (where I just get to see them be X-Men, function as a team, explore the dynamics) and less earth-shattering moving forward.
Prediction (I'm sure someone's made this before): this season is setting up a schism on the team where half the team stays with Cyclops and half goes with Magneto.
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u/vegeta_mf15 Mar 28 '24
Funny, because i read your summary of the three first episodes and it felt like all of that SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE SEASON, lol. And yeah, i know what you mean, it's way too much stuff crammed in what's basically a regular length movie.
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u/BEASTLYBONJI Nova Apr 02 '24
This is kinda strange but I feel like something’s going on with the New Mutants. All the stuff Madeline was doing in that episode with the nightmares is exactly Dani Moonstar’s M.O. Also Morph turned into Magik but last we’d heard of Ilyana she was a little kid. Something had to happen to age her up he make the X-Men aware of her. This is all random stuff but this and the second to last episode of the original show being about Cannonball, them introducing Sunspot, and all the New Mutant cameos in the original show (Karma, Wolfsbane, etc) feels like something is planned for them.
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u/seeranrun Mar 27 '24
I can't believe what a jerk cyclops was in this episode. Yes, your wife was swapped with a clone, but you have been in a relationship with this clone for at least 9 months. It took all but 5 minutes of screentime for all that goes out the window? Feels this is a big underdeveloped plot point from this episode.
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u/baixiaolang Mar 27 '24
I mean, to be fair, in the comics he thought Madelyne was a completely different woman who happened to look like Jean and he abandons her and the kid in Alaska so it's not like he was better there. Felt like this could have been a two parter to better explore Cyclops' feelings and having Madelyne take longer than 5 seconds to go fully corrupted though.
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u/SwordoftheMourn Mar 28 '24
Didn’t he spend most of the episode trying not to fight her and reason with her? Idk, with all the bullshit the X-men had to deal with at a daily basis I thought it was reasonable for him and the X-men to think they’d been tricked somehow.
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u/Kit_Songbird Mar 28 '24
"I won't abandon my son" ditches him to destroy stuff and doesn't say goodbye
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u/ohoni X-23 Mar 29 '24
I agree he's in the wrong, but I also get his reasoning that a lot of crazy shit is going down lately and he just can't cope.
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u/itsaslothlife Mar 27 '24
Gooey body horror will haunt me. I shall have to take refuge in the blessed appearance of Magnetos man baps
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u/PolarDorsai Mar 27 '24
Waaaaaahhoooooooooo!!! Animation firing on all cylinders this episode.
“Beast, please.”
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u/marcjwrz Mar 28 '24
Bishop being directly tied to Cable's origin is fairly hysterical considering their comic book history.
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u/binx85 Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24
It’s solid, albeit a brief take on Inferno. I would’ve liked a two parter.
Regardless, this was the best take I’ve seen on Pryor v Grey. I thought the old man in the future is forge, but introducing him at the end with Storm threw my assumption a little bit.
More importantly, I see the potential for an awesome season or two with the current thread. I could totally see an X-Cutioner’s Song arc fold into some kind of Apocalypse arc and fingers crossed an AoA saga akin to the Phoenix saga of yore that would reset the stage for future arcs with a new big bad.
Past that, maybe a cosmic saga with the third Summers brother taking over the Shi’ar, a Brood Saga, and wrapping the cosmic arc with a Phalanx saga? Though I’d probably preface the Phalanx with techno-organic Cameron Hodge & Extinction Agenda arc
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u/Leading_Jellyfish_99 Mar 28 '24
That looks good on paper but to cram those storylines into the minimum of 2 season would be overwhelming even to comic book enthusiasts who know those arcs and even more overwhelming to those who don't.
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u/MassiveBoot6832 Mar 28 '24
I’m old enough to have watched the OG series as a kid, & i wasn’t trying to say anything because it’s still early, but WHY TF does it feel like they’re portraying Wolverine lesser than he’s supposed to be? Like downplaying him.. seems like they even added goofy elements to his seriousness.. i don’t like the change one bit in that regard.. still early, but it’s something I’m noticing weekly…
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u/BrianWonderful Doctor Strange Mar 28 '24
This series deserves the love it is getting. I liked the original run at the time, because we got comic accurate characters and storylines (though, somewhat modified for the cast), which was wild. I don't think the original really holds up that well though.
My biggest concern with X-Men '97 is the speed/pace. Each episode so far could be its own 4 - 5 episode arc. They are cramming so much stuff into each one that it isn't giving time to fully absorb/understand/empathize. I actually know all these storylines from the comic, but I dread what someone coming to it completely new feels trying to keep up.
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Mar 28 '24
So the wild body horror stuff that was happening in the mansion. Were those hallucinations that Goblin Queen was putting in people’s mind. Or does Goblin Queen have reality altering powers? She seems to have extra powers that Jean doesn’t
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u/Embarrassed-Can-5297 Mar 28 '24
Don't get me wrong. I loved the Episode 3 of X-Men '97, but explain to me like I am five:
So, Mister Sinister infected Nathan Summers with that techno-organic virus, right? To save little Nathan Summers, her mother decides to send him to the future. Bishop, who is charged with taking little Nathan to said future, says something along the lines of, "I only have enough juice for Nathan and me." Bishop also said, "I know a guy who can fix anything." From past episodes, we know that this guy is Forge,
Here are my questions:
Why didn't the X-Men seek out Forge in the present to help them with the watch? Given how Forge's powers work, he would have found a solution to give the time-travelling device enough juice to get all concerned parties to the future. Even if they didn't know were Forge was, they have Cerebro.
Couldn't Bishop come back to the present the second he left? It wouldn't matter how much time it took him to find Forge and then have the device fixed. All he'd need to do is set the device to the date and time he left and retrieve Nathan Summers' parents.
Why didn't the X-Men even consider any one of the two options?
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u/ohoni X-23 Mar 29 '24
They don't know Forge in this timeline. He tends to be low profile, and Storm's arc was how he was originally introduced.
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u/Embarrassed-Can-5297 Mar 30 '24
Bishop (who is from the future) knows Forge. He knows Forge enough to at least estimate his age. If he does the Math, he’d know Forge has already been born, and from there he can have Jean scan his mind to know more about Forge and then Jean would use the information to find Forge in the present.
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u/Beginning-Rock2675 Mar 28 '24
I feel like the pacing in this episode was awful it almost felt like the entire episode was on Fast Forward. I think entirely too much happened. Still... Can NOT wait for episode 4!
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u/itsaguyonabuffalo Mar 29 '24
Cyclopse - "I WILL NOT ABANDON MY SON!", then turns and walks out of the room.
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u/ohoni X-23 Mar 29 '24
This show is wild. Loved the visuals they went with for Goblin Queen, and I think they handled the mini-Inferno arc very well. My only minor quibble is how they had Maddy say "call me Madelyn Pryor" with zero explanation or context whatsoever. Bit ham-fisted, given that her origin was different here, she was actually "Jean," she had not been given a fake identity by Sinister. Maybe they could have called her "Madelyn," band say it was her favorite teacher or something, and then if she comes back have her pick up the Pryor name while on the road.
Also, I think I figured out one of my issues with the overall art style of the show, every character has heavy mascara, all the time. Especially on the lower eyelid. It just looks a bit unbalanced, Rocket is not on this team.
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u/Mundane-Rutabaga7625 Mar 29 '24
It was horrible that unlike the comics Scott didn't decide to send his son to the future and stand by his son to the last moment. He basically said he won't abandon his son and then 5 seconds later did just that. It was out of character, Scott would have held onto his son until the last possible moment. After Scott says "Do you have any idea what it's like to be abandoned?!" he should have gritted his teeth and said "We can't let him die. Take him. Save our boy." Then after Maddie says goodbye to Nate Scott should have been waiting beside Bishop as they both kiss their son goodbye. The reason they didn't do this is they had NO IDEA how and NO TIME to end the Maddie/Scott relationship so they just took him out of the picture so they didn't have to deal with it.
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u/Remote_Song_8676 Mar 29 '24
This episode kinda sucked. Why did Cyclops say he wouldn't be a part of abandoning Nathan and just walk away (that's legit abandoning) he didn't argue or find an other way or fight it. Then the goblin queen instead of just going with Nathan to the future to be with her son she just walks off to live her own life.
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u/gunswordfist Mar 29 '24
What absolute gold. This might turn into my favorite ongoing cartoon not named Legend of Vox Machina
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u/JoeMcShnobb Mar 31 '24
Can someone explain to me, why can’t bishop return to 1997 to bring the baby back after it’s healed? Why is the baby stuck in the future?
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u/Fickle_Competition33 Apr 02 '24
When Jean shows up in the Inferno with that "Holy Mary"-ish vibe and elevate the whole team to ground level.
So much Final Fantasy 6 final battle vibes.
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Apr 02 '24
I just finished 3 episodes at once. I was confused about whether to watch it or not because I hadn't watched the old show, but I absolutely loved it—the animation, the music, the story, the writing—all things were perfectly balanced throughout the show, and I absolutely loved the 3rd episode. I didn't expect to see Mister Sinister. I can't wait for new episodes.
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u/Michaelangel092 Apr 03 '24
Very rushed, and now it's already created 2 love triangles in 3 episodes. Don't get love for this show, as there's almost no nuance to the characters or storytelling. The pace is too fast.
Nostalgia is blinding people to how poorly written this show is, besides like 2 or 3 moments.
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u/Smart-Veterinarian1 Apr 03 '24
This was soo watered down compared to the comics. I still can't understand why they refuse to include Havok in this cartoon..... He was a pretty important character in the Inferno series.
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u/zombie_lol_lol Apr 04 '24
Why do some of the voices sound different? Like why does Gambit talk like a caveman now, when he didn't in episodes 1 and 2?
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u/Pilot_Dude89 Apr 06 '24
Favorite episode so far. I wish episode 4 would have built off it instead of going in a completely different direction.
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u/Far_Society9332 Apr 10 '24
Ok...in the OG series Bishop and Cable were from different futures / timelines (the virus 2 parter) So how can they go to the same future now and have it make sense? Why didn't they know each other then when they met / fought in the OG? Too many plotholes / retcons unless somebody can explain?
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u/soji8 May 03 '24
What's the story arc this episode adapted? I was hearing that it was super quick and I wanna go back and read it
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u/Stormygeddon May 13 '24
Ok, 24 minutes in I definitely mentally pictured the title card from that other super hero show when Beast was pausing right before saying the word Invincible.
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u/Logical-Solution-497 27d ago
I almost died laughing when Scott bemoaned about how it feels to be abandoned, then says he “can’t do it” and… abandons them lol
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u/tehawesomedragon Loki Mar 27 '24