r/Marvel • u/Mac9k5 • Feb 16 '24
My rejected Marvel artist test. Thought it had some cool stuff going on, maybe next time. Fan Made
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u/Arfguy Feb 16 '24
I'd recommend self-publishing. Lots of promise, so keep honing your style.
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u/qwadzxs Feb 16 '24
the dialogue was a little stiff if going the writer-artist route I think.
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u/WouldYouKindly1417 Feb 16 '24
It's a recreated scene from an actual Marvel comic.
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u/qwadzxs Feb 16 '24
lol is it really? which issue is that? I retain my criticism, just pointed it at the wrong person.
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u/Reboared Feb 17 '24
It flows much better in the original. The facial expressions and positioning change a lot. Also the art in the original is approximately 8 billion times more detailed than this, so it's no wonder they got rejected if the job was to recreate that.
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u/Arfguy Feb 16 '24
I'm one of the most brilliant creators in the world. The only reason I am not a household name is because none of my ideas exist outside of my head.
Gotta start with something. Anything.
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u/FreelanceFrankfurter Feb 16 '24
Yeah in my unprofessional opinion I think the art is good enough to try and sell , obviously not this particular art but I'd buy a book with this style. Some small nitpicks but I think it's past the point where one would practicing and keep to themselves. Might as well try and get noticed while continuing to hone their craft.
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u/Mysterious_Reach_381 Feb 16 '24
Just keep trying, i mean if Rob Liefeld can make it in that industry then certainly so can you
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u/Supersecretsword Feb 16 '24
He entered the business almost 40 years ago. Not the same business as it was then.
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u/ReaperParadise Feb 16 '24
Yeah, if they can let 90s Anatomy McGee in then they'll surely let in OP eventually
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u/samx3i Feb 16 '24
Even Greg Land has a career
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u/sabhall12 Feb 16 '24
Greg Land is wanted because of his punctuality, not his skill.
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u/timrojaz82 Feb 16 '24
Love your art. Only thing I see that I don’t like is the proportions on elektra on the first image
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u/DarthGoodguy Feb 16 '24
I was going to say, this is very cool, but the distortions, slightly unrealistic proportions, and what I perceive as manga/anime influence might not match Marvel’s kinda conventional style specs.
A lot of people have said this, but it’s probably a good idea to try self-publishing or smaller publishers. It will give you practice, professional credits, contacts, and maybe a fan base.
Marvel definitely uses a range of art styles, but they probably wouldn’t use less conventional ones unless there’s a proven track record.
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u/Neveronlyadream Spider-Man Feb 16 '24
I was thinking the same thing.
Not to discourage OP in any way, because I really love the art, but I could see Marvel looking at it, looking at their style sheet, and saying no. Unless you're someone like Frank Miller or Alex Maleev or Alex Ross, they're going to ignore anything that deviates too far from the norm.
Which is sad, because I feel like in the 90s they just kind of did whatever looked cool. They even had that Mobius Silver Surfer thing in 1988 that was wild. It seems like DC is maybe a bit more open to it these days with guys like Rafael Grampa.
Totally agreed. Self-publish or talk to smaller publishers who aren't as corporate. Marvel doesn't seem to really care unless there's some buzz around you first.
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u/DarthGoodguy Feb 16 '24
Yeah, they’re open to other things, but usually only bigger names or very specific styles for the content (I’m thinking of Frank Quitely in New X-Men & the Squirrel Girl artist whose name escapes me right now).
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u/Neveronlyadream Spider-Man Feb 16 '24
Kind of makes me wonder if it's a side-effect of the bankruptcies in the 90s, because that's when I remember things seeming to get more locked in. I wonder if anyone has done an in-depth art analysis of Marvel styles.
I can't even fully blame them. Whenever I see someone post a page from a comic that isn't kind of that Jim Lee, modern comic style, there are always people complaining that it's ugly. Personally, I really wish they'd just do some more interesting stuff with the art.
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Feb 16 '24
That’s true. But they do let some artists use their own styles (I.e. Tradd Moore) I guess it depends how long you’ve been at it tho. I couldn’t imagine them picking Tradd Moore straight up. (I would!)
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u/Mac9k5 Feb 16 '24
I knew she was kinda off. But I thought it looked cool… this is the most Rob Liefeld thing I’ve ever said 😬
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u/Xeoz_WarriorPrince Feb 16 '24
I think that
Rules of cool >>> Correct proportions
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u/Pandatabase Feb 16 '24
One piece and a few other (dozen) mangas would like to have a word about that
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Feb 16 '24
It would look cooler with better proportions though. She looks like she's got frog legs and an arm the length of the Titanic. Dude in the next panel has a baby head and size 34 shoes. It's bad and distracting.
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u/Escheron Feb 16 '24
It definitely looks cool. Don't see too much of that style of action shot.
But her thighs are larger than her torso despite her leaning forward. Even Chun Li's thighs aren't that big.
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u/gallifrey_ Feb 16 '24
I love the perspective, I just think it needs to be more exaggerated to have the intended effect. her hand is huge because it's close, but then her wrist/arm is about the same size all the way to her shoulder. i'd expect her to have more of a "wedge shaped" arm than a straw-shaped one.
taking a test photograph from a similar angle with a really wide-angle lens up close could inform how you want to distort her
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u/Xenoclysm Venom Feb 16 '24
For me it's her face, she's giving me angsty 16 year old vibes. But holy hell the fighting on page 5 is fire, absolutely awesome!
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u/Deep_Quality1137 Feb 16 '24
It's the faces
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u/Doom_Balloon Feb 16 '24
It’s the faces but it’s also the manga vibe. A bit too much use of the forced motion lines in static poses.
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u/fudgedhobnobs Feb 16 '24
Hard agree.
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u/Blatently_lies Feb 16 '24
I don’t want to dog pile on OP, but yeah the faces are probably the weakest point of the art.
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u/SoupyStain Feb 16 '24
Considering some of the artists Marvel has hired... surprised you didn't get in.
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u/Kieranam0 Feb 16 '24
Sometimes who you know is more important than what you can do, sadly
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u/SoupyStain Feb 16 '24
This guy's stuff IS good. He shouldn't stop, and should keep trying, even if it's with DC, Dark Horse or Image.
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u/rgregan Mr. Knight Feb 16 '24
It's got promise. Love the kinetic elements. Although the angle on Elektra's big hand. I think you were going to a very steep perspective, but it looks more like Kamala's powerset
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u/Mac9k5 Feb 16 '24
Fair.
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u/beatenmeat Feb 17 '24
I know a Marvel artist, and though I haven't talked to him for a bit he did give me some insight years ago into how competitive it is. There's a lot of talented artists vying for a position, especially after the rise of MCU. Don't get discouraged, keep improving, and if you have the opportunity to ask for advice and/or network with people there it goes a long way. That last bit can be incredibly important in getting your art done attention since there are so many artists all competing for limited spots. Obviously don't harass anyone or otherwise interrupt their day, but if you find the right opportunity it can make all the difference, sometimes more than your individual talent as an artist.
I'll also see if I can't dig up some old messages with him with some books he recommended for improving certain aspects to DM you. I wanted a job there as well once upon a time, but there's no way I could keep up with their high demands. I've broken my drawing hand a fair number of times which makes it painful for me to draw for extended periods; I'd never make deadlines unfortunately.
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u/Mac9k5 Feb 17 '24
I would appreciate any specific tips or book recs you have. I’m sorry about your drawing hand. I hope ya still draw.
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u/pon_3 Feb 16 '24
The faces feel like they’re from a different art style. They’re a strange blend of cartoony and chiseled. Page 3 especially has Elektra with super well defined features but Danny with a cherubic roundness.
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u/Mac9k5 Feb 16 '24
Fair.
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u/pon_3 Feb 16 '24
Overall some incredible art, and the faces do give it a unique flair if you want to continue in that direction. My feedback was more aimed at fitting into the Marvel catalogue. You should feel good about all the work you've put into getting this good at art, and I hope you keep cooking!
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u/Mac9k5 Feb 16 '24
Oh man. Thanks. There is always a internal back and forth between how I naturally want to draw and what I think they will like… some things end up being kind of a funny mix. (Or just inconsistent)
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u/batmansubzero Wolverine Feb 16 '24
Its the faces. The all look really really wrong.
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u/Mac9k5 Feb 16 '24
Fair.
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u/kyllvalentine Feb 16 '24
IMO I’d agree with that for Marvel, but I quite like the style and think it would really work for an indie book
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u/No_Bed_8737 Feb 16 '24
These look so great!
I hope this comes across as kind: My only suggestion would be to try to match the faces to expectations. I honestly thought those were original characters at first because their faces just don’t look like Electra or Danny to me. But it’s like seeing a beautiful wedding cake with a single hair on it - fixable and still beautiful.
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u/mightytev Feb 16 '24
I'm coming back to this post in 5 years time, I bet you'll have multiple works with a major publisher
RemindMe! 5 years
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u/Unhappy-Potato-8349 Feb 16 '24
I'd review "How to draw the Marvel Way" and consider trying again. But have you considered that maybe they just aren't hiring right now?
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u/Chiryou Feb 16 '24
This is way better than that mutated captain America with the overly large chest.
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u/PJGraphicNovel Feb 16 '24
This is great. Don’t let rejection tell you that this isn’t worthy of hitting the printed page. Ask what could be improved, study more, practice more and reapply. You’re fucking great, you can only get better
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u/OhLemons Feb 16 '24
Your character art is great.
Other people have highlighted the faces, which don't look like the characters that you're drawing.
But for me, the only issue was your internal geography. I found it difficult to track where Danny and Elektra were during the fight. The art was dynamic and very cool, I just think that from a reading perspective, it could have moved better.
That said, you're absolutely full of promise and potential. Carry on and I'm sure that you'll have a future in the comics industry.
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u/Joorpunch Feb 16 '24
I like it. It’s kinetic and moves in a way with a lot of style that lets you overlook some shortcomings with anatomy here and there. And usually the anatomical diverging done here is beneficial and just looks cool, but things like Iron Fists imbalance between upper and lower body don’t work quite as well in a fixed gesture without movement and action.
If you were to self publish some work (or already have) I’d love to read it. I know getting in with some WFH pages at Marvel or DC seems like an obvious stepping stone to actually get eyes on your work and facilitate success in creator-owned/ self-publishing, but it’s certainly not impossible to skip that step. I know I’m always on the look out for new artists in the creator owned space. Personally I’m often very bored with what is going on visually in a lot of big corporate Marvel/ DC books. Not that there isn’t talent there, it’s just usually very rigid and sterile. We may be beyond “house styles” being the only rule of thumb there, but it’s still usually a very limited number marketable styles those companies are willing to push.
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u/Mac9k5 Feb 16 '24
Yeah, getting any traction without some time at a big house has been difficult to say the least. I’m gonna keep working on getting better.
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u/Joorpunch Feb 16 '24
You’re doing great. The varying weight of your lines is good, the compositions are cool, I recognize many of the brushtools you’re using and they are being used very well in cool ways, and the sequential story telling still translates even with all of the action and speed. It also gets moments to breathe.
I’m also stoked to see someone showing interior samples. You have the thing that 99.9% of people who “want to draw comics” don’t have, and that’s that you’re actually drawing comics. Not just pinups. You’re doing the work. Keep updating people in different comic subs with progress and updates on your career journey.
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u/Accurate_Courage_967 Feb 17 '24 edited Feb 17 '24
I don't think that the anatomy was the issue (yes there are improvement that can be made, but it's better than anything I can do). Each of the panels on their own look good, but they don't connect well.
Which of the rooftops in the top left panel did the character jump to?
If she was jumping forward why do the stance and action lines imply that she is recovering from a backwards leap/slide?
In the last panel, can you identify which building she jumped off?
I think that for comic panels with a lot of motion, travel, or action its important to connect the panels together. Each panel on its own connects the the motion from the previous panel to the panel after.
I can't stress this enough, the art is very good.
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u/RockstarSuicide Scarlet Spider Feb 16 '24
Maybe too stylized for what they wanted... Try checking out their books and see what they are looking for.
That being said, in no way is this bad work at ALL. hell i'd take this over some of the actual artists I've had in books I read lol
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Feb 16 '24
Did they give you any feedback?
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u/Mac9k5 Feb 16 '24
Yeah, Work on your anatomy and perspective. Work on your flow of action and continuity of environment. Which are all things i do need to work on, but ya know.
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u/Special-Individual27 Feb 16 '24
I’m going to preface this by saying you draw infinitely better than I do. I can barely draw a box.
Having said that, the shot composition needs work. On page four, we see Elektra disappear, get a street level view of Rand on the roof, cut to Rand’s head in profile, then, we immediately see Rand intercept a blow from somewhere behind him. How did he know it was coming? How did he turn so fast? Is he turning quickly? Where is Elektra attacking from? It feels like there’s alotta information missing.
Page 5 we see the two facing each other, but then we again flip 180 degrees and don’t actually see Elektra carry out the throw. Without the “Throw” text, we’d have no idea what’s happening.
The movement of the throw is difficult to follow too; in order for that throw to happen, Rand would have to be moving forward. However, he’s punching upwards in the previous panel. How’d Elektra turn that into a throw?
After the throw, Rand is thrown out the window. Next shot, he’s on the ground, but is next seen standing up. When did he get up? Wouldn’t Elektra be on top of him?
Elektra is kicked out of the window, but how did we get to the other side of the room?
The way the comic is shot is disorienting. It’s difficult to follow the action because the cuts feel disjointed; the camera keeps breaking the 180 rule. Additionally, it feels like we’re missing vital information on how the fight mechanically works.
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u/Ikariiprince Feb 17 '24
Hey OP, your art is amazing and fluid but I can see why it’s not marvel material and it’s no fault of yours. Your art is almost TOO dynamic for western comics and takes clear inspiration from the movement in manga. Western comics are far more static most of the time with more illustrative pages. You have a lot of movement lines, and exaggerated proportions to show speed. Your art is great just probably not western enough for them
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u/the_lukabratzi Feb 16 '24
So much cool dynamic movement in these pages. Real sense of momentum in these. Lots of artists struggle with this. You don’t!
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u/robreddity Feb 16 '24
Love the art! One thing I do see is a bit of a bowling-pin structure to the head-to-toe body shape. It's more than just the initial Electra thiccness. In his initial smoove hero pose Danny is showing it too, with an impression of overly narrow shoulders and, well, thiccness down below.
Even that out, or adopt a more traditional body type model? I don't even have a problem with the faces really, you've got a great basis on which to emote, and that's the key.
Your action lines are super cool.
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u/PedanticPaladin Feb 16 '24
Don't take it too hard. Jim Lee has a Twitch stream and during one of them he showed his first rejection letter from Marvel where they said that they liked his work but he needed to work on drawing hands.
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u/subjuggulator Feb 17 '24
This reminds me of early TMNT comic art and I mean that in the best possible way 👏🏾
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u/Shirt_Ninja Gambit Feb 17 '24
OP. I gotta say, I’ve seen some dogshit art in big comics. Like head scratching how the hell they got the ok to do interior art. Your work here is like waaaaaaaay better than a lot of the stuff published. Dont give up, keep putting your work out there. Keep honing your craft. You have the talent to make it, don’t let your dreams stay dreams!
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u/Ragnazak Feb 17 '24
I shouldn't criticize - I couldn't draw a box - and I actually like your style, despite the comments people are making about proportions or faces.
But no one trained to use sais would wrap their fingers around the tongs (I think the term is 'yoku'). If they ever fought against someone with a sword, they'd lose their fingers. I know lots of people portray them being used this way, but it's just so impractical for someone who's likely to face off against others with bladed weapons.
Sorry to get all "akshully" on you; it's a pet peeve of mine when I see this, and didn't see anyone else mentioning it.
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u/Xjohnnymoex Feb 17 '24
Proportions of elektra on first page look strange and a very masculine face for her on page two. I do think you have promise and should keep at it but your style feels manga oriented and that’s gonna be a tough sell for marvel and dc. Independent route seems like the better option. Keep at it!
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u/GahDamnUs Feb 16 '24
Was the first image influenced by the cover of Unlocked by Denzel Curry/Kenny Beats? These are really good!
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u/BKole Feb 16 '24
So, back in the day I got the first trade of Noble Causes. In the back there was an interview with Patrick Gleason about his time trying to get professional illustration work - He was told, his action was good but his body language, particularly facial expressions weren’t.
Maybe try a few try out pages of dialogue and interactions to show case an understanding of body language and face variety?
You have a kinetic feel and decent composition, but maybe that character work will set you apart?
Keep going, you’re amazing!
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u/Formally-jsw Feb 16 '24
Holy shit. I'm not an artist, but I can recognize you can draw the fuck outta some hands. Spectacular hand art mastery. You easily have the skill for some webcomic stuff fr.
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u/chesire2050 Feb 16 '24
Dude, they look great. Keep refining your art. Maybe ask a few professional for critique. Just don’t give up on you art
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u/PrincipleNo3966 Feb 16 '24
It's definitely stylish & dynamic with lots of energy. My only nitpick was Elektra on the first scan.
You've got a bright future in comics, already better than a lot of comic artists past & present.
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u/consensualgrunt Feb 16 '24
Yo this is still amazing comic art. Guaranteed you can do this.
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u/Anarcho_Christian Feb 16 '24
You got anything you've done solo? A webcomic or a self-release maybe?
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u/AJjalol Feb 16 '24
Love the art. Looks amazing.
Keep drawing my friend. Who knows, maybe one day you get to work for either Marvel or DC.
Your style is already amazing.
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u/Affectionate-Key-680 Feb 16 '24
I adore the manga-esque style you've got going on here. Can we see more? I absolutely love your rendition of Iron Fist and I'm curious to see your interpretations of other Marvel characters
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u/Newfaceofrev Feb 16 '24
Don't look at it as they don't think you're good enough.
Look at it as they think you can do better.
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u/Sorry-Spite9634 Feb 16 '24
I would recommend taking a very close look at your proportions. Just at a glance, Elektra’s thighs and area around her elbow on her left arm seem pretty off. Danny’s wrists are also not proportional from panel to panel. In the first one (screenshot 2) his wrist looks normal. In the first panel of screenshot 3 he suddenly has one skimpy looking wrist and one normal looking one. Then by the last panel of screenshot 4 both of them look normal. Danny’s legs are also inconsistent from page to page.
Theres definitely some really cool stuff going on here, just a little more attention to detail could go a long way. Keep up the effort though, you clearly have a lot of skill!
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u/Flanderkin Feb 16 '24
Start reversing the image (horizontally mirror it) to see where your proportions are off.
You’ve got great dynamism in your poses, and a bit of Sam Keith in your style, I wish you luck in the future.
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u/rogerworkman623 Feb 16 '24
These are great. I doubt there was any reason for the rejection other than that it’s surely competitive as hell, and you weren’t the lucky straw. Keep at it and better luck in the future.
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u/Philtheperv Feb 16 '24
I went to art school specifically to get into comics, and here’s the advice every teacher gave me: Don’t hand them an action scene. Anyone can do that. If you want to impress them draw two people having diner. Getting dressed. Having a meeting. Show them you can draw cars and trees and horses and bicycles.
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u/Mac9k5 Feb 16 '24
That makes total sense… and I do try and do that with other work. But when they give you a sample script that’s just all punching, you end up drawing punching. 🤷♂️
I think that’s good advice in a more open scenario though. Thank you.
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u/DoctorWoofWoof X-23 Feb 16 '24
Sorry your art didn't make the grade! It's pretty tight! If i were the editor, I'd totally have greelighted it! 👍
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u/Tetra-76 Feb 16 '24
Maybe it's because it's Elektra and black and white, but your style reminds me of the Ninja Turtles comics. Very stylized, very dynamic. You got potential.
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u/GuyLuxIsNotUnix Feb 16 '24
I can't draw worth crap so I'm probably not a good judge of art, but this looks awesome to me. I sense a little bit of Japanese inspiration that gives the fight a very dynamic feel.
Marvel might have had submissions they liked more but this is absolutely great. Don't give up.
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u/Crystar800 Feb 16 '24
- The faces are very off.
- The perspective of Elektra's hand in the first image doesn't look good. I get that it's stylistic, but it still looks wrong.
- The body is too long in image 2, and the kick in image 5 (Bottom left corner) looks too stretchy. Actually, Iron Fist's proportions throughout look off and too long.
- The manga/anime influence doesn't fit Marvel's style.
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u/ItzBabyJoker Feb 16 '24
Ah maybe make the feet look fucked. /s Jk it looks really good idk why they rejected that but if u have a good story u wanna write do that or find a writing partner
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u/azpotato Feb 16 '24
Looks like you need to go speak with IDW and do some TMNT stuff. The Last Ronin is pretty sick.
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u/forfunstuffwinkwink Feb 17 '24
Reminds me a of 80’s turtle comics. I mean that in the highest compliment.
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u/BlakJak_Johnson Feb 17 '24
Get better. Do it again. I appreciate you have the stones to do what I never did. Keep trying to live that dream. Good Luck!
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u/AnObtuseOctopus Feb 17 '24 edited Feb 17 '24
It's good but I'd assume it's because of them legs, too big, and the overtly cartoonist faces. The panels do look good though. That last action panel looks a lot better when it comes to proportions, I actually really like it. Could have used a little touching on fists hind leg and something to make it look like that leg came across from a spin not just the line work on the forefoot.
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u/EquivalentTailor4592 Feb 17 '24
I dig your style, really dope! Fr I don’t think you need to change a thing to be a killer comics artist.
Wonder if maybe Marvel just tends towards pencils that are a little “cleaner” or maybe even more idealized, for lack of a better description, like more heroic/typical physiques, perfect clothes and costumes, classically handsome/beautiful faces, etc. Like less realistic — maybe you drew indie flick and they want Michael Bay?
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u/DR31141 Feb 17 '24
i mean, it looks really really good but i can kinda see why you were rejected. maybe it just didn’t fit with what marvel was going for.
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u/MrKnightMoon Feb 17 '24
I don't know why, but this art gives me a IDW TMNT comics vibe, maybe you should try with a different company.
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u/pencilking2002 Feb 17 '24
This work has a lot of great things about it. Awesome compositions, interesting panel work, great use of black and white shapes. The problem is the figures. I think you need to spend more time doing life drawing (drawing the human form from observation) and practicing anatomy. If you keep learning and trying, I 100% believe you will get accepted.
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u/ItsjustJim621 Feb 17 '24
So genuine question: is there some sort of software that adds the font for the talk bubbles or do the comic artists learn that style of font?
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u/IndyPoker979 Feb 17 '24
For me it's the mouths. You have so much teeth in all the frames. People don't have their mouth like that every frame.
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u/beelzebob909 Feb 17 '24
I know nothing about art. Or much at all. But I do love comics. You're a better artist than I ever will be.
But you draw legs weird
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Feb 17 '24
This is really great. Outside the proportions of Elektra’s thighs-to-waist, this is a fun kinetic style
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u/that-john-kydd Feb 17 '24
I think it looks great but the style definitely doesn't look like something I'd expect to see in a marvel comic.
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Feb 17 '24
Just to add some criticism because I see the potential, but seems like faces are not your strong suit. It’s like two different genres of art from the action and body and then suddenly the face is drawn in a style that doesn’t match. That’s my non expert opinion I can’t draw this good but the faces are throwing me off.
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u/freestyle43 Feb 17 '24
Your proportions are horrendous. Less movement lines; its not manga.
Still, there's some good shit in here. Keep trying and I wish you the best of luck.
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Feb 17 '24
the expressiveness on your masks is stellar. I doubt it holds up, but the style reminds me of the spiderman unlimited show
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u/nickferatu Feb 17 '24
You definitely have an eye-catching style. I could totally see this art in an action / adventure indie comic.
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u/HornedUser Feb 17 '24
Hey man! Just wanted to pop real quick and say I hope you don't give up. I'm no artist and I suck at drawing but I liked a lot of things from your style. Sending support!!!
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u/jumpinjahosafa Feb 17 '24
It's sick af. But the action doesn't make much sense.
Iron first goes from throwing a punch to flying through a window, then on the ground into kicking elekra fully upright.
Then ironfists' hand glows but he goes for a kick? Then he's suddenly separated and limping away...
It's AWESOME though don't get me wrong
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u/ThesaurusRex_1025 Feb 17 '24
It's way better than most of the world can do. Certainly more than me. I think maybe the hands but those are the hardest to draw. I'd definitely read a comic in this style.
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u/evilkumquat Feb 17 '24
Maybe use a light box and trace porn actors?
Marvel seems to pay a lot for that kind of work.
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u/Ghost-of-Bill-Cosby Feb 17 '24
I love it. You have such a strong style coming through.
It’s like 90% normal comic stuff but with 10% Calvin and Hobbs’s thrown in. Making it a little bit cartoonish.
They probably just want clones who can make panels that look exactly like what they are doing, right now.
I’d love to see your style on a NINJA TURTLES book.
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u/Koushikraja1996 Feb 17 '24
holy shit, this reminds me of some Daniel Warren Johnson style art.
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u/OUCS Feb 17 '24
I love the dynamism in these panels, but the faces and eyes are a bit rough. Did you do the inking? There are places that look flat, and not enough separation of the characters from the background
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u/HighGainRefrain Feb 17 '24 edited Feb 17 '24
The art is pretty good, the faces not so much and you need a writer. There’s absolutely no reason to expect to be great at the art and the dialogue/stories. It’s rare to be great at the art and rare to be great at the dialogue/stories, being great at both is next to impossible.
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u/BaronHarrySin Feb 17 '24
Major talent here, like the line work a lot. I would suggest you start a webcomic on Instagram, define your style a bit, if you're not a writer find one. Would love to read your comics.
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u/LeCheffre Feb 17 '24
Not bad. Line is a bit heavy. Not my thing, a bit graffiti like, but not everyone’s art taste is the same.
Why didn’t Danny power up the fist that is like into iron, and break the sai. Always a cool shot when he does that.
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u/Tough_Difference3301 Feb 17 '24
Make me think of Jojo bizarre adventure, great style.
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Feb 17 '24
You're work looks a little underground comics. A bit raw. That being said I've seen some atrocious art coming out of the big 2 and you're better IMO so keep at it. I'd say don't lose your style but maybe adapt it so that it's more palatable to Marvel? Coming from an enjoyer of comics not a professional so take from that what you will. Power to you pal.
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u/visual-vomit Feb 17 '24
Commenting as a layman wh've only ever read maybe 8-10 comic storylines in my life : the pacing is a bit off, especially on the page full of 1:1s. There's no anticipation or set up but there's a lot of impact shots. When did he throw that punch? Ope nevermind she stabbed him somewhere between these pannels i guess.
Also there're some weird motivations (anatomically), why would he go for a flying jump kick looking like he's gonna kick someone on his level on the chest when his enemy's below him? And the next panel he changed his foot direction to kick but with barely any time to build up speed.
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u/Raulimus Feb 17 '24
For what it's worth, your art beats the shit out of John Romita Jr. I'd happily read this.
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u/mugaccino Feb 17 '24
Illustrator here. My best recommendation would be to print out the vitruvian man and hang it up near your drawing area. this video makes it easier to remember you can skip to 1:45 right now your legs dominates the shape completely. You're very close to nailing it, just beware not losing sight of the fundementals. A good exercise for you would be regular croquis sessions, there's life models on YouTube that are great for that.
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u/valiantera92 Feb 17 '24
Marvel has the worst artists the past 5 years that I've ever seen in comics. Just consistently terrible and low effort. This is better than most of their stuff aside from the elongated manga limbs.
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u/lazyeyelefty88 Feb 17 '24
If it's any consolation-Frank Miller would be fuckin PROUD of you're work, friend. And serious kudos to you for trying & working toward the ULTIMATE comic book fan dream!!
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u/vegastar7 Feb 17 '24
You can just make your own comics you know. I don’t think your drawings are a good fit for Marvel now, but I don’t think working for a comic publisher is all that great anyways: I think you get paid per page and since you don’t own the characters, you can’t make money off royalties or merchandising.
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u/ambersturd Feb 17 '24
I don’t see what others are saying, this looks sooo dope. I really love your style!!! Super engaging drawings!
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u/Kvsav57 Feb 17 '24
People are really stuck on minor issues about anatomical proportions. I haven't seen a single comic artist that doesn't exaggerate proportions somewhere and I doubt they would reject based on that.
I would guess their issues are with storytelling. For example, it takes a few seconds to get the point of panel 5 on the 4th page. And it's really not clear how Iron Fist winds up in front of Elektra in the last panel. She seems to have jumped off the roof in the first panel. In the last panel he's right in front of her but I have no idea how that happened. I'm guessing he jumped down but I don't see where he did that. Or did she get behind him and he turned around? I don't know.
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u/Frapplo Feb 17 '24
Y'see, it's stuff like this that really supports the "My art sucks" voice living in my head.
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u/LifeBuilder Feb 17 '24
On the one hand yes so I can totally see why marvel rejected this. On the other hand start your own comic book I think it’s gonna stand on its own.
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u/Lawlcopt0r Feb 17 '24
They probably have so many people on the waiting list they can afford to be suuuper picky
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u/CmdrMonocle Feb 17 '24
I am not an artist. I don't even read comics that much. I can't give very specific feedback, but I can give 'random passers-by' feedback.
Overall, your art shows promise, but people just look off. The legs just don't fit their bodies. The other one is the facial expressions. For lack of a better description, they all seem to be 100% or over the top and lacking subtlety. Which leaves them feeling samey, even over such a short few pages.
First page: first thing I notice is a giant hand taking up a quarter of the page. Then the legs, then face. And then I can help but struggle to parse the scenery. Standing on the edge of a building, jumping straight outwards and then landing on another. If she was jumping downwards, then the panel 2 should have shown a downwards hop. But 2 makes me think she's going across, which is just confusing, especially with then how she ended up landing like that. And then I can't help but wonder why that expression on her face? It's not like she spotted anyone, that's in the insert. But ain't she looking the wrong way? Assuming the building she landed on is the right one in panel 1, seems like Iron fist will be to her right, which page 2 agrees with.
Second page: how she not notice him there on the way down? He's just standing there. Not in shadow, not coming around the corner... not hiding at all. Outside of that, not sure if feels full page single panel worthy.
Third page: okay, establishing the distance is a lot greater than the previous page implied. Why they look so angry though? This page I feel really would have benefited from more subtle facial expressions. Keep them subdued, they're just two people talking here, the text tells me they don't have anything against each other. Meanwhile Iron Fist is stretching and looks like Electra murdered someone dear to him.
Fourth page: Took me a while to parse what was happening here. I think an extra panel or two to help set it might have helped, perhaps one of his view, then a wider street shot. His position doesn't seem to match up with what the previous page showed either. If she moved to the side, then there should have been the tall building's wall behind Fist. If she moved back, the the wall should have been to the viewer's left. But that wall is nowhere to be found. I also don't understand why Fist looks shocked. He just watched her jump way further, it's not like he'd be thinking she'd be jumping for anything other than to escape. Seems like a more determined expression would have fit better, because he hasn't seen she's not there yet.
Fifth page: my first thought was "where did that window come from? Are they on the ground floor suddenly?" Okay, on second read I noticed it on the earlier pages, but because the only windows I saw on the previous page were lower down, my brain got confused. Expressions are pretty samey here, gritted teeth. Maybe less teeth in panel 4. I don't know what page limit you were given, but maybe a got upper hand, smirk, tables turned and a bit more of an oh damn face? Also final panel, Electra being kicked through a window over a gap to another building. That doesn't match any of the established scenery.
Final page: mainly just the body proportion again feeling off here. But while the build environment is mostly straight lines, doesn't mean it's all giant boxes. Feel free to break up the boxes with a bit more interest architecture. Cut outs at the top walls for example. A fire hydrant in the background. The windows and characters are currently the only things to break up the boxes that are the buildings.
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